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posted May 14, 2007 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there,
How do you experience this placement in your natal chart? The textbook seems to think one is either controlling in a relationship or otherwise goes for strong-willed / dominant? partner. Does any of this ring true? Or do you just prefer intense, emotionally deep relationships? I would be particularly curious to hear how natal pluto in the 7th plays out in an otherwise very airy natal chart. But any thoughts comments are very welcome, maybe it would be even interesting to hear from people who have been in a relationship with someone who's had natal pluto in the 7th - did you feel they were overly intense, or controlling towards you? OK, right, too many questions, will stop here and hope for lots and lots of replies. Thanks

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posted May 14, 2007 03:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have natal Pluto in Scorpio in the 7th House (along with a Libran Venus and Mars and a Scorpio Saturn). My relationships are always very very deep and kind of stormy. I also do seem to have a tendency to get a little bit obsessed with my significant other. However, I don't consider myself to be overly controlling. And I don't seem to attract controlling partners either.

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posted May 14, 2007 05:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, my ex... he is controlling... has some deep abandonment issues... can be vengeful if his ego has suffered some 'damage'. His 4th-house Mars in Gemini can bark up a verbally abusive storm... love and hate separated by a hair-thin line. >_<

Funny, he used to call me psychologically abusive and demanding. I sent him an 'Are you being emotionally abused?' quiz and asked him to check off what harm I've caused him. He read them off (stalking, emotional blackmail, threats, physical restraint, etc.). He gave up and said 'Okay, I'm the abusive one.' Sheesh, talk about projection.

I doubt that a 7th-house Pluto alone would do this. He has a 'tough' chart, needs to work out a load of things... er, Godspeed...

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posted May 14, 2007 06:21 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, pluto in 7th can make a person very obsessive. I mean, pluto in 7th means u have to know how to balance relationships. But if u have issues about abandonment- it's going to be hard be in a balanced relationship. U just hope that the person u like will transform ur fear of abandonment, loss, and death into big-hearted love. It was hard for me to change, but once u realize that ur going to lose someone for ur own actions, ur going to have to change at some point. if u ask more specific qs, i'll probably answer ur qs better.

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posted May 14, 2007 06:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just remembered that there is this nice interp on 7th plutos. It's very long though...

Pluto's place in the chart marks the house in which revolutionary changes often occur. This planet represents reforming and regeneration. Pluto is a powerful planet, and its presence in a house suggests a power struggle may also be found in this house.

The house in which Pluto falls is likely to be a source of difficulty. When the planet is activated by progression or transit the subject can expect progress to be at best uneven, at worst totally blocked, until the trends causing the problem are over. Sometimes you will overreact and the Pluto influence will act as a purge, clearing the decks. If Pluto is negatively aspected there is a possibility of the subject becoming obsessional about the affairs of the Pluto house.

Pluto In The Seventh House

Pluto is positioned in the seventh house producing attitudes that may make partnerships deep and complex arrangements. It is likely that your life will be drastically altered by marriage or other personal relationships. Your partner is shown by this placement to be especially strong-willed, and there can be some major tests of wills in this relationship. This placement may intensify your natural sense of justice and reactions against wrongdoers.

Since this house emphasizes the polarity of the Ascendant, a great deal of its effect depends on the Pluto sign, the influence of which should be reread with considerable care.

It is possible that the subject with this placing needs to be the dominant partner in an emotional relationship. As far as business partnerships are concerned, here we have someone who will probably be excellent at dealing with the business/money side of the company. In fact, this placing works well for such business relationships, but complicates life somewhat for emotional partnerships.

Emotional extremes - On a personal level, a great deal of emotion will certainly be expressed through your relationships. As a result, while there will be some marvelous moments, there is an equal likelihood of some pretty severe storms from time to time. You must be very careful indeed to preserve a balance within your partnerships and not dominate them. In extreme cases, it is possible that you will, probably unconsciously, seek a weaker personality as a partner for that very reason.

On the whole, if the birth chart shows compassion, real sympathy and a good understanding of others, then the emotional forces within you with this placing will be enough for both you and your partner, and things will work out very well. Nevertheless, the highs and lows of relationships can make for an uneasy path in this particular sphere of life. PLUTO IN THE EIGHTH HOUSE

Pluto is at home here, since this is the Scorpio/Pluto house. This placing increases the intuition, and you will be able to combine it with logic. There is often sympathy for mystical topics and, sometimes, psychic ability may be present. If your subject senses that you have such gifts, do encourage the seeking out of sound instruction so that they are developed in the right way - so much can go wrong when these areas are inexpertly tampered with.

A shrewd business sense is another possibility of this placing, especially if Pluto is in Cancer or Virgo. This should also prove to be the case with those youngsters who have the planet in Scorpio. (When it is in Scorpio, and also in this house, it will certainly be a powerful feature of the chart as a whole and must be treated as such.)

The emotional level is increased here, but the feelings and sexual expression may not flow as easily or as positively as the subject would wish. Sexual problems can therefore occur as a result of this placing, and you may need to seek help through professional counseling.

Pluto in 7th House
[Miscellaneous Interpretations]

Ginger Chalford:

This house initially belongs to the child; and very often when people exhibit childish behaviour one can find planets which represent that behaviour pattern in the natal seventh house. As the young child begins to grow socially, she / he discovers that by imitating the adults in his or her environment, she / he is learning about personality patterns and growth-oriented interactions with others. This gives the child a sense of security. After all, there's no need to figure out how to act and what to do, for models of behaviour abound all around.

Children with Pluto in the seventh house learn their lesssons well, and can become accomplished mimics of adults. As they practise their new behaviours, they receive responses from parents, adults, and older children, which tell them whether the actions are pleasing or not. Children do want to please, for that assures them that the world is moving along smoothly, that they will have plenty to eat and other children to play with, etc..

This original sellout is necessary, since children cannot truly fend for themselves. The personal power is, as commonly happens with Pluto, exchanged for security. With this placement however, it is often more difficult to tke that power back once adulthood is reached. It is here in the seventh house that social experiments are made, that the learning cycle on how to get along and fit in is begun. It is here that children establish their limits, the boundaries that demarcate what they can and cannot do. With Pluto here, these boundaries can be very confining, which sets up a repression of energy that could either explode later or else seem to disappear entirely ino the personality.

Since children are rewarded for imitating adults and older children around them, the behaviour is reinforced and there is a tendency to continue it. These children look for validation of their self-image from others, hoping that they look right, act normally, dress within the mode (or code), and generally fit in with society. This process of learning is a seemingly long one, taking all of the early life to accomplish. Yet, the behavioural tools necessary to deal with unforseen situations remain limited, even into adulthood. When disaster strikes, it is usually because of the environmental situation or someone else, rather than the Pluto native. This seeming passivity is a logical result of thought processes that set up other people as the source of power in life. (If others can give the self value, they can destroy it as well.)

This child gets in touch with the emotional content of relationships very early in life. He or she may have been picked on by older children or siblings, or victimised by them in some way. One such case was a boy who was encouraged to participate in some naughty activities by an older brother. When the child was caught he was punished, but his older brother was not. (He had sworn to secrecy as part of the deal.) His lotalty to his word kept the parents in the dark as to why their younger son was such a troublesome case, unil years and years later. Yet, such experiences can leave emotional scars on young children, and they may try to avoid any intimacy or close involvement with another person as much as possible. They may withdraw and spend more time watching than actually participating in relationships, even though to have a friend or closer relationship is the one thing they desire most in life.

Unfortunately, the hild assumes that others have all the answers, and transfers the awe of parents and adult authority figures to other individuals who are older and / or seem stronger and more powerful. If someone else becomes angry with them, the impact on these Pluto people will be very strong. They will either meekly submit, while fuming secretly within; or they will become an aggressive, rebellious underdog and resist openly. Power plays in relationships seem to occur frequently, but that is the natural attempt of the Pluto individual to find the limits of his or her own power. Over time however, those with this placement may still not have discovered their own personal power, and may still be waiting for an okay from someone else before proceeding with their own life. All this activity can be subconscious, for the original feelings associated with the early adaptations have been lost. They have floated out of sight, only to run the show from a booth on the side rather than taking their place on centre stage.

These patterns have a nasty habit of sliding by unnoticed through adolescence and into adulthood very easily, as they are strongly reinforced by the peer group (which is an adolescent replacement for the parental authority figures). The person still has a tendency to expect someone outside himself or herself to know all the answers - a mentor, a teacher, a spouse or an angel from God. She / he may remain a passive resister of the first rank, leaving to someone else the repsonsibility for any messers that may occur in life. She / he will even move out of the familiar neighbourhood to be with somoene who gives him or her that special feeling. Instead of adolescent games, the seventh house Pluto individual will have discovered a broader spectrum of games in the marketplace with other (apparent) adultrs. Just as this person was inadvertently abused as a child, now his / her business opponents give him / her a rough time. This can manifest as getting in trouble with his boss, a loved one or the bank!

In order to appear as successful and 'together' as others, these Pluto people will try to have all the answers themselves. The unfortunate aspect of it all is that, due to their limited self-expansion and experimentation as children, they don't have that many answers. Somehow, somewhere, they will foul up and someone else will get the cake - the raise, the relationship, etc.. This can set up a pattern of frustration and anger at certain other manipulating individuals, which can fester over long periods of time. Whether they treat others nicely or not doesn't mean that the lesson of this placement has been learned. Being rebellious, treating others like dirt (a possible extreme manifestation) is still a reaction to the belief that the desires of others must always come first.

What these people have to learn is that by becoming the very opposite of what they were trained to be, they are not really rebelling. Instead, they are only confirming that their training was valid, that the parents and other adult authority figures were right. These negative actions are merely saying that the Plutonian is angry about it and wants to punish others for having more important desires and activities than he or she does.

The other mode of response is that of the quiet, introverted, passive resister. THese Pluto individuals can explore the opposite extreme of their unruly brothers and sisters, by trying to appease everyone they meet, cringing with anger and / or sacrificing the self for the hope of a harmonious relationship. These people will do anything to stay at home with someone in order to keep the game going, to keep the relationship alive. There can be a terrible fear that the relationship could end (generally when the other party walks out) - and then they will be alone, without someone of power around them to assure them that they are all right, etc.. They will also refuse to see the major impact they have on the partner's life, thinking themselves somehow invisible and unobtrusive. That's hard to be when you have this Pluto placement! Not trusting themselves, they look for someone else on whom they can rely.

Fortunately, many people with this Pluto placement do grow up and begin to make choices for themselves. This can create profound relationships, from exciting and synergistic business partnerships to soulmates. Even though the partner is usually a strong-willed person, there is an appreciation of his or her spunkiness and strength, and a willingness to make the relationship a special or evcen magical one. The two heads, like rams, may butt each other every once in a while, but he relationship definitely won't suffer from boredom!

To others, these people may appear to have nasty fights, butg instead it is a healthy way for them to let off steam, and the anger is quickly forgiven and forgotten. Both partners will acknowledge he power aned impactg they have on each other, and will be willing to commit themselves to working ou solutions that don't hurt the other one or break his or her trust. These Plutonian natives have learned to balance heir own desires with the other person's. hey neither consistently demand to have their own way, nor do they give in to the wishes of the partner all the time. They have learned a great deal about life through relationships, and they have a healthy self-image.

This placement is very good for those in the legal profession, including judges, because therse people are very fair. They are also good psychologists, having come into that subject with an intense curiosity about what was happening in their own life and relationships. These Plutonians make many conscious choices during the day, without needing the advice of others. And they can keep up their positive energy, because they are confident in their public image. THose with Pluto here can also do well in mass communications, should the rest of the chart favour that, because the public image can be powerful and their message can move multitudes. They take responsibility for their lives, and they have indeed grown up.

Situations that seem to accompany this placement can include disaster on the home front; separations, domination by partners and spouses, bitter ending of relationships, fighting futilely, vengeful partners, sudden disappearance of important people in their lives, and persistent difficulty in getting and keepin a mate. Generally, as was said earlier, events with this placement seem to come ou of the individual environment, and this can feel scary and evoke deep feelings of insecurity about possible future heavy events also catching them off guard.

When Pluto transit individuals realise they have a choice in he matter, the tables turn. But hen they will have to accept responsibility for the tremendous power they have chosen. THe partner is often the most significant person in this individual's life - particularly the romantic partner. Heavy karmic tie-ins to the past are possible if Pluto rules house ten or house four. In that case, the individual with this placement may be looking for a replacement parent. If you have this Pluto position, beware of falling into that trap!

While Pluto transits this house, relationships will have to be overhauled. At the very least, the way the individual looks at the relationships will have to be transformed. Often, this can manifest as the disruption of a personal relaitonship or business partnership. It doesn't have to end however, if both parties can go through this transformation together. But the repsonsibility for communicating to the partner about needs and changes still lies with the Pluto person.

Legal hassles and tendencies to evade the law can come up at this time also. But generally, most of the results of this transit will directly or indirectly reflect the powerful impact of the person's overhaul on his or her environment. If seen that way, then something can be done about it. The crises must ease up, and this process must start with the individual who is affected by the seventh house Pluto, either natally or by transit.

To change the negative impact of Pluto in the seventh house, one mus stop being a martyr or victim. Forgive others (partners, ex-spouses) for what they've done to you, and clear that emotional debris from the past. See the fourth house for forgiveness techniques. Then look at your current life. Monitor a few days of your life, and note how many times you conceded or compromised your views for those of another person. Start paying attention to how you feel at those times. In many instances there are fine, practical reasons why you take the other person's ideas or activities so seriously. But in some instances, you will find that you have a nagging doubtg, a resentment or a moment of indecision. It's this kind of situation you will need to focus on and change. Changing doesn't mean that you mus now insist on doing something different from what the people around you are doing. That would only indicate that you have still failed to make a clear decision on your own, and are simply reacting to others in a negative way. What you really need to do is to regain conscious control over your thoughts and actions.

Every time you fail to clarify your preference, your own inner sense of security and trust suffers a bit. It's far better to say 'Wait, let me think about it' than to go along with someone else merely because that person seems to have stronger, more pronounced views and motivations than you. Don't submit to pressure from others through intimidation, anger, guilt, etc.. If someone is manipulating you, put them on hold until you have discovered what it is that you really want to do. Go off by yourself if necessary, and make them wait. If the situation is a crisis that can't wait, then let your instinct take over. But there will be very few real crises coming your way once you begin tuning into how you deny your own choices.

If you are the type of person who is blustery, and you don't feel well-liked or appreciated, then it may be that you have been playing the rebellious but passive resister all these years. Monitor yourself for a few days, and you'll discover that you may believe one thing but act just the opposite way. If this happens, you know that your assertion of independence and identity is not real. You still haven't discovered what you want from yourself.

When you disagree with someone, check within yourself to see whether it's an automatic negative reaction or not. Is it a habit? If so, remember incidents in which you disagreed with others, but eventually went along with them. Replay the scenes and rewrite the endings in your imagination, and then ask yourself how you could have handled the situation differently, so as to get the results you wanted. Learn the contemporary methods of personal assertion; how to get what you want while the other fellow is not manipulating or being manipulated. I's a wonderful new frontier! Now is the time to explore it, and discover the depth and vibrancy of your relationships.


Haydn Paul:

The area of life which will require transformation, and which will have an especially deep impact upon you, is that of close and intimate relationships. The way in which you handle your relationships is the key to whether or not you will have a satisfying and emotionally complete life. If they are not carefully handled, with understanding and skill, then you are likely o experience considerable emotional pain and anguish, as your efforts repeatedly collapse into the frustrating and negative breakdown of a relationship which once followed a positive direction.

The compulsive Pluto energy will drive you towards close relations with others, and you will search for a feeling of intensity in all your more intimate relationships. You have a need to feel that you are liked by others, and basically you will want to give a lot to others, such as making it clear that you want them to have considerable freedom in their partnership or marriage with you.

Problems can lie in an inability to live co-operatively with others, particularly as your intensity can be difficult to deal with - for you and for others. This might not even be obviously displayed, but will be sensed by others as a subtle transference of energies, which they may register as a form of manipulation or unspoken pressure on them in the relationship, struggling to reject it in some way. There are many power and energy struggles hat occur in an intimate relationship that are not openly expessed between the partners, bu which tend to determine its eventual success or failure.

There is an ambivalence in you towards intimacy and relationship, and much that you need to understaned about yourself and others. You are simultaneously attracted to the promised intensity and a need for close partners, but also have inner fears about the power of these relations to change and redirect your life in unknown ways. Certainly, you will need to work hard on transforming aspects of yourself if a marriage or long-term partnership is to work. Any tendencies towards control over others - as a form of self-protection - should be resisted; and you may need to understand the need for and discipline involved in being mutually committed to making a relationship work. It needs to work for both participants; co-operation and mutal adjustments will be required; and emotional sensitivity can be crucial. You will have to take chances with your emotions, handing your heart into the safe-keeping of another, which is probably the last thing that you really want to do, as there is a sense of unease and fear in you concerning the depths and intensity of your emotions. It would be better for you to come to an understanding of the nature of this inner intensity; and the sooner it becomes released and transformed into a conscious understanding, the better you will handle this area of life.


Donna Cunningham:

Love can be an obsession; and symbiosis with the loved one is sought. A subatomic reaction of possessiveness, resentment, guilt, and power struggles can occur. When that alienates the loved one, this Pluto type may flip over into isolation, deciding not to have any more relationships. Some may continue to have a relationship in tgheir head with the last one who did them dirty, being haunted by it. Others may elect to stay single, because this type equates love with control and they don't want any part of that.

For many with this placement, love equalled control in childhood; and unless they submitted to the power of the parent, there was the threat of withdrawal of love and approval. Perhaps there was an actual abandonment or death which made them fearful of losing love, so they cling very tightly and try to make themselves indispensable. There may have been a symbiotic relationship with a parent like that described under Pluto in the fourth - it's you and me against that monster. (To some extent, these dynamics may be true of Pluto falling into the other relationship houses, the fifth and the eighth, as well.)

Another dynamic is that relationships and transformaion are mixed together. These Plutonians may fall in love in order to make the loved ones over; and the loved ones may resent both the insistence on change and the implied inequality of the relationship. Power struggles may develop and ultimately lead to abandonment. The 'patient' may even get worse, ou of spite. Or, the Pluto person may be the patient and fall in love with a powerful mentor.

When this placement is used constructively, relationships can become an arena for transformation, both for the self and the loved one. In order to be whole, these people may have to go through a process of working through hurts and resentments about each love affair that ever went wrong, in order to let go and forgive. hen these people heal their relationship difficulties and learn to let go, this placement would also become a good counsellor, particularly a marriage counsellor, using the counselling relationship and a capacity for love as a healing force.


Ulla Palomaki:

In this house of relationships, Pluto is not naturally at home. Relationships are usually considered from the viewpoint that harmony should be preserved at any cost. But Pluto isn't so harmonious. Nevertheless, if relationships are viewed as tools for self-development of the soul, Pluto is welcome in this house. Pluto suits the house if the individual is ready for a deep examination of the meaning of relationships. With Pluto the strength and will of either of the partners comes up; thus, questions raised by will power must be faced.

All planetary positions have a meaning; and Pluto's meaning in this house is to learn about relationships. If the individual is willing to develop in this way, he lives according to the cosmic meaning, to the larger whole. Nobody really knows how much karma is involved. The need of the individual for an intensive relationship reflects the need to develop in the relationship. The aspects between Venus and Pluto are very similar to this hous position.

The individual may become obsessed about his love life. Hatred, grief, arguments and power struggles may all exist within relationships. Strong feelings of dependency add some spice to the soup. Power and control of the partner are easily part of the game. The individual is driven under the control of the partner, and may lose his own will and self-determination. The partner gives direction to his life. Also, the opposite position may exist, although it is rare. It is not necessary, yet, that the partner control the individual. He may be of a controlling nature, but channel these tendencies into his work or hobbies. The individual may live a very relaxed life with that kind of partner. With Pluto in the seventh house, the partner may be, in some cases, deep and spiritual.

Many individuals go through a lot of intensive relationships in which obsession and symbiosis are sometimes involved - perhaps on a very unconscious level. They learn a lot from these relationships. Sometimes there is a tragic ending or early death of the partner.

There is a pull toward strong-willed persons, but it should be determined how much of this will the individual should use himself rather than living by a partner. Secret attraction could also be a driving force.

One of the best means to use this planetary position is to understand the dynamics and psychology in relationships. Marriage counselling could be practised in some way, as counsellor or as client.

Strong and powerful ties with other people make very demanding relationships possible. Politics could be suitable because there is an association of relationships and power inherent in it. Pluto in the seventh house is common in the charts of politicians.


Stephanie Camilleri:

This location of Pluto adds power to the chart, but makes for difficulty in marriage. It may deny it unless other planets are in the seventh, or Pluto is in the sixth on the cusp of the seventh, or in the seventh close to the cusp of the eighth. A career partnership or other kind of partnership may be so involving that there is no room for any other kind. he career or calling may absorb them to such an extent that there is no time for marriage.

Often they choose one who is not free or capable of marriage for some reason, or who doesn't return their interest. It is partial testimony to homosexuality, or to asexuality, impotence, frigidity, or other sexual difficulties that may prevent marriage or complicate it. If they do marry it may not last. If it does last, it will be because the partners accommodate themselves to their difficult relationship for social or economic reasons. Marriage or love relationships have an element of danger. They may become involved with someone who is troubled or who brings grief.

These people are capable of being quite blind to close associates and partners, seeing only what they want to see, convincing themselves while in love that the other is wonderful beyond all possibility and then, when the glow is gone, that the other is horrible beyond all imagining. They are capable of being extremely manipulative, cold, cruel, and sometimes even violent toward partners. This may be due to mistreatment, coldness, cruelty, or other abuse from parents or a parent in childhood. There is an urge to punish, to make others pay for what they themselves have suffered, or think they have suffered.

All of this is eased and modified by trines and sextiles, particularly to the Sun, the Moon, and the rulers of the Ascendant and the Sun's dispositor; but the likelihood of strife is increased by the hard aspects.


Howard Sasportas:

The Greek sovereign of the underworld was only seen to leave his kingdom for the upper world twice: once to heal a wound inflicted on him by Hercules, and once to abduct Persephone into his realm. Similarly, the workings of Pluto cdan be observed most clearly in illness and in the sphere of close relationships.

With Pluto in the 7th, it is in the area of partnerships that Pluto is encountered. Rather than viewing marriage or close union as merely a 'happily ever after' affair, it is wiser for those with this placement to understand relaetionships as catalysts or agents for personal transformation, grwoth and change.

Liz Greene says of Pluto in this house that 'the entry into the underworld comes through somebody else'. In other words, relationships will plunge them into deep emotional complexes which have lurked in the recesses of the psyche from as far back as early childhood (or even further, if one believes in karma and reincarnation). Through issues connected to partnership, parts of the naturewhich have been buried, repressed or kept under control by the ego will erupt messily into the everyday life. After the blast, there is the task of puting themselves back together again, it is to be hoped with greater awareness and understanding of their own complexities.

If they are not wholly in touch with their own darker or undifferentiated sides, then they may project these qualities onto the partner. If they have not acknowledged their potential for ruthlessness, betrayal, jealousy, envy and possessiveness, they seem to attract or constellate such traits in other people. Again, the nature of life is towards wholeness: if we are not living that wholeness, then the outside brings it to us.

Wherever Pluto falls in the chart is where the god of death and destruction can be found. Some with this placement sense their own proclivities for destructiveness in the area of relationships and consequently live in fear that others might be capable of the same kind of behaviour. Or they may totally disown their own destructive energy by just attributing it to the other person. Because of a nagging apprehension that sooner or later the other person is going to disrupt the relationship, they have difficulty trusting the partner or feeling safe in a union. Attempting to avert such a catastrophe, they may try to dominate, possess and control the partner. Unfortunately, such behaviour often serves to drive the other person away, thereby bringing about the situation which they most dreaded. As is the case with Pluto in any house, the deity which brings tghe illness is also the one who brings the cure. To clean up the mess that our unconscious complexes land us in, Pluto hands us a shovel and says 'Start digging'. In the process we may unearth some very good reasons why it all had to happen that way.

I have seen many instances where those with Pluto in the 7th wanted to end a relationship but were afraid to do it for various reasons. Invariably, they somehow provoked the other person to do it for them.

Some may meet Pluto in the 7th through the death of a partner. If the partnership was a close, good one, then picking up the pieces after such a misfortune is a slow, gradual process with many phases. But wherever Pluto is, the capacity to rise again, like the Phoenix out of the ashes, is also present, although Pluto may teach them to be more careful next time about deriving their identities wholly from something external to the self. Even if the relationship was fraught with fights and bitterness, the loss of a partner through death can still be devastating - especially if tghe person feels partially responsible for what has happened, or the partner died before pressing interpersonal issues could be resolved. It will be important for the remaining partner to do what he or she can to work through these feelings; otherwise any later relationship may be tainted by them. Pluto's house is easily haunted.

Pluto is a planet of extremes, and in this sense it is oddly placed in the house which is concerned with balance, sharing and learning co-operation. The issue of who has the power in the relationship is brought sharply into focus. Some will give all their power over to the other person, as if they want to be swallowed up by the relationship. Others will not feel safe unless they are the ones in charge. In either case, the balance of power is unevenly shared, and lessons of true mutuality are still to be learned. Sooner or later one or the other of the partners may feel the need to break free in order to grow beyond the constrictions of such an arrangement.

In many cases I have seen, those with Pluto in the 7th actually have difficulty eliminating or letting go of a relationship. For some, this evinces a kind of loyalty which is determined to keep working at it. For others, their identity may be so tied up in the partnership that to lose it would be like death. In mythology, Pluo, compared to the other gods, was a relatively constant husband to Persephone, and was only unfaithful twice. In the first instance, he developed a mad passion for the nymph Minthe; but in his wild pursuit of her, he accidentally crushed her underfoot. (It is possible that those with Pluto in the 7th can actually destroy a relationship because of their own intensity about it.) In the second case, he abducted one of the daughters of Oceanus into his kingdom, where she lived until she died a natural death.

Pluto may require the complete breakdown and elimination of an existing relationship to allow for the continuing individuation of each party. On the other hand, however, Pluto also suggests that a relationship can endure a number of mini-deaths and rebirths, coming up stronger each time, and lasting many, many years.

Those with Pluto in the 7th have the ability to help others through painful times of crises and transition. Some may have a profound influence on society in general. This house placement is also useful in the charts of lawyers, healers, counsellors and psychologists.


Robert Pelletier:

You must examine your motivation in forming relationships, because your drive to gain control over others can be dangerous. The desire to gain dominance and win unquestioned support from the public is a severe test of your spiritual courage or your obsession with power. You can do many wonderful things to serve society by promoting changes in the existing laws that will create a more equitable environment for everyone. In your personal affairs, there are no holds barred when someone attracts you romantically, and you go to great lengths to secure that individual for yourself. When rejected, you can be cruel and vindictive. You have the vision and energy to achieve goals that others would find nearly impossible. But then they don't have your ability to get the necessary support to successfully carry out your plans.

You teach your children to be as self-reliant as you are so they will be ready to accept the responsibilities that lie ahead in seeking to fulfil their own identities. You almost mesmerise them to accept fate as as challenge that they will surely win. Because you understand people's thought processes and motivations, you can provide them with the services that will help them achieve security for the future.

Even if there was tension between you and your parnets while you were growing up, you succeeded in puting it in proper perspective, and now regard it as an opportunity to make your own way. You don't want to be obligated to anyone, so you bypass those who try to get in the way of your desires. You cannot fail to gain the public's attention, no matter how you choose to exploit your creative potentials. The difference between fame and notoriety isa fine line of intend and motivation. You can do much to correct the injustices that prevail in the public sector by using the leverage of persuasion to change laws or attitudes. Only you can decide if you will respond to this enormous responsibility and use your influence positively and spiritually.

You are no stranger to extreme situations with other people. You thrive on competition, knowing that you will emerge victorious in the end. You will face any danger to gain your objectives; and even when you are occasionally beaten you are never really defeated. If you use your talents properly, you can help those who lack the talent or opportunity to help themslves. The public will be eternally grateful if you choose to work on their behalf; and the inner contentment and satisfaction you will derive are inestimable.

You always have to decide whether to serve others or to serve yourself at their expense. Although your mate may support your goals, he or she may be intimidated by your methods, for you often feel that the end justifies the means. You owe a lot to the public, without whom you would be out of business, which pinpoints the delicate balance on which your fate rests. The impunity that you justify for yourself is impermanent at best.


Bill Herbst:

Mirrored Awareness: Rather than proceeding directly into your unconscious to access the buried contents of your past, you are guided there by interaction with others. You may meet someone and instantly feel your deepest self revealed, or you may not recognise yourself in the other for a long time. The pitfall is denial that what you see in others is a mirror of your unconscious. You are subject to a wide range of false beliefs, from the 'positive' feeling that it is your partner who embodies the wonderful qualities you see, to the other extreme of convincing yourself that your partner is the source of all conflict or pain, and blaming him or her for every difficulty. The challenge is to be willing to see yourself in others, and out of that willingness, to let yourself change.

Equal Partnerships: You need to understand your impact on others, especially intimates. You are a powerhouse of often turbulent emotions, and it is in relatedness that these emotions are drawn up from their underground storehouses. You rise to the heights and depths of passion. The pitfalls involve control, the tendency to dominate your partnerships or, by reflection, to be dominated by them. Partnerships represent psychological peaks in growth, high- and sometimes low-water marks in your emotional life. They are watersheds of personal development. Some of your relationships die absolutely; some live on through various stages of personal growth. The challenge is to homour the best ones, and hope that they evolve with you in your new directions.

Contracts, commitments: Commitment is a gut issue. You are either in or you are out; there is no middle ground. An imbalance of commitment between you and your partner is a serious issue; and a major pitfall is the tendency of one to demand unreasonable proof of commitment from the other. The challenge is to recognise that commitment is a vehicle for the deepest possible change. Do not enter into any relationship that doesn't offer strong magnetism; and equally, once in, go all the way through. Every commitment is a promise to grow, to leave behind the old and welcome the new in yourself.

Co-operation: You have a deep-seated need to co-operate, but it can be fraught with difficulty. Focus on your deepest intentions. What is it you really want from your partner? Have you examined what he or she touches in you? Are you aware how the relationship triggers your compulsions? Are you willing to experience your own demons? If so, then work hard at co-operation, knowing it will bring up your own dark world. If not, back away to examine your willingness. Do not fight what are essentially battles with yourself on ground of another's choosing. Your challenge is to learn that it is your responsibility, not your partner's, to exorcise your demons. Doing so frees you from inner bondage.

Natural partner or partnership: Your natural partner is one whose emotional intensity shines forth like a beacon in a storm, a person who understands the floods of feeling necessary to periodically cleanse the landscape of personal growth. This individual has a profound effect on you, functioning as a divining rod for both the best wishes and the worst terrors in human sharing, the dark side as well as the light.

A natural partnership for you is one that impels the essence of your self-understanding to change. There is a profound, radiant intensity, even when you and your partner are engaged in the most mundane experiences. The relationship forces you to examine your compulsions, and in release, to cleanse and renew yourself. The image is a smoking volcano, quiet but active, cool at the surface, but molten at the core.


Steven Forrest:

In the tradition... the seventh house is 'the House of Marriage'. And that's a pretty good metaphor, but what's at stake here is vaster than matrimony. What we explore in the seventh house is nothing less than our capacity fo interact intimately with other human beings. It represents the basic 'I-Thou' circuit in the human psyche.

'Significant Others' - that's one of those painfully correct, painfully sociological, terms that mark the course of the English language in the last couple of decatdes. Built into it is the notion that the world is populated by another class of 'others', characterised primarily by their insignificance.

And it's true, in a way: not everyone we meet in our lives really gets to us. Not everyone is a 'soul mate' - and that's the term I like to use here. But I don't define it in a narrowly romantic way, or even in a narrowly happy way. A soul mate, as I use the term, is basically somoene who messes with your soul, whose contact with you leaves you fundamentally different from how you were before. And the seventh house could fairly be called the House of Soul Mates.

Fall in love. If it goes beyond the courtship stage to a point where you are really beginning to see each other clearly, seeing the shadows as well as the light, then you're definitely in the inner circles of seventh house experience. But any time you throw in your lot with another person, you're doing it too. Start a business with a partner, burning your bridges behind you: that's the seventh house. Make the bond of deep, committed friendship with all its unspoken promises: the seventh house again. Erotic or romantic interchanges, for all their delights, are by no means the heart of this house.

But what does it mean to have Pluto here?

Your High Destiny: Intimacy is a word that gets thrown around a lot nowadays, but what does it really signify? Perhaps we can get at it more clearly by the process of elimination than by a direct approach. Intimacy is not the same as sexuality, although many people agree that the two get along as well as peanut butter and jelly. It is not the same as spending time together, or living together. We have all observed the phenomenon of two people sharing a roof for decades and still displaying little evidence of real intimacy. It is not the same as 'magic', 'chemistry' or 'electricity' - those words we invent to describe the enormous psychic impact of a soul mate upon us. Such experiences may lead to intimacy, but they are not the same thing.

The passage of time alone won't make intimacy. Sudden tell-all, reveal-all flashes don't create it either, at least not immediately. So what is it? Some combination of all the factors: flashes of scary self-revelation on the part of both people combined with a history of hanging in there together. There is a simple word for this happy, unfolding state. The word is trust.

The realisation of your high destiny involves trusting someone else. You cannot do it alone. On the road to self-realisation, you pass through unnerving situations in which you must allow another person to be in a spotiion where he or she could choose to hurt you very badly. Let's emphasise here that actually getting hurt isn't the point. It's not obligatory, and only happens of necessity on the unconscious road. What is necessary is placing yourself undefendedly in the hands of another person, and letting that person have an impact on you.

The point is that in realising your fullest capacities as a human being, you require the catalytic impact of certain Plutonian individuals. And to receive it, you must make the choice to be open to them, revealing your innermost vulnerabilities and trusting the process to develop in ways that are ultimately healing for you.

Your distorting wound: Truth is a strong medicine; and as with anything powerful, dosage is critical. Not enough truth, and imtimacy flounders. We are left with the form of love, but none of the content. Too much truth - that's a more difficult notion, but a valid one. Truth can be told cruelly, or in a crude, untimely way, or with manipulative hidden agendas. Then it becomes at least as damaging as outright lies.

Some experience in one of those categories hurt your ability to trust other people. The paradigms of psychology point our noses toward your 'formative' years, leading us to wonder about falsehoods and betrayals in your early familial relationships. Or about the darker uses of truth there. And those suspicions may well represent valid lines of enquiry. But as we explored in earlier chapters, we must not rule out damaging experiences from later in your life, or from previous lifetimes if reincarnation is an idea that works for you.

Somebody lied to you and damaged your capacity to trust. Or somebody used loveless, limited, partial truths as bludgeons on you. Or someone in a position of trust simply failed to say the words that needed to be said. And you cannot heal that wound alone. The effect of this distortion is to isolate you, to hurt your ability to judge the characters of others.

A mother sits with a pubescent daughter, trying to find the words to explain menstruation. She gives up, gives the girl a pamphlet. A father never mentions the 'birds and the bees' to his son. In either case, we may feel compassion for the awkward, self-conscious parent. Still, there were truths that needed to be said. And they were left unspoken. That is a betrayal, and the child is hurt by it.

Dad hates mom, but stays with her for the good of the children. There is a Big Silence in the house; the kids know it's there, but not what it is or what it means.

Billy is sixteen. Unlcle Harry asks him if he's 'getting any' lately. Harry may be intending to create some kind of male-bonding ritual in his remark, but Billy is a shy, sensitive kid. He is shamed by the question. And he likes his Uncle Harry and senses instinctively that something special is supposed to pass between an uncle and a nephew - and that delicate instinct provides the wires over which the Wound is transmitted.

Your navigational error: If the rest of your birth chart suggests a high degree of independence and self-sufficiency, then we would expect this distorting wound to manifest as an exaggeration of these autonomous qualities. That phenomenon might appear waearing a mask of breezy friendliness or a hermit's cold attitude; again, the rest of the brith chart will provide the clues.

If your nature is more naturally interactive and interdependent, then we would expect the wound to express a more subtle pattern: there would be the appearance of intimacy in your life, but close scrutiny would reveal that while you know a lot of emotionally sensitive facts about the people around you, their knowledge of you is limited to material that does not empower them to hurt you. Of course much of their power to help you goes down the same drain.

With an unconscious, unhealed Pluto in the seventh house, there are basically three distinct dark roads available. They look rather different from each other, but they all hold as a common denominator a dysfunction in the trust department.

The first is pure isolation. Here we find the individual who takes a cavalier attitude toward tenderness. Typically he or she speaks a language of cynicism regarding love and sexuality, and may very well use or exploit other people. That exploitation may be conscious, or it may be denied: no matter. The effect is the same: a trail of anger and broken hearts. On that same road we may find a person who simply withdraws completely from any kind of 'entanglements', perhaps not hurting anyone but existing in an emotional vacuum.

The second dark road involves simple shallowness. The afflicted person may lead a busy social life, but he or she systematically avoids any possibility of charged psychological reality making itself felt between people. The paradox is that such a person still has Pluto in the seventh house and will continue to draw Plutonian people into his or her life, perhaps challenging the person to open up, or, more probably, simply representing some of the bleaker aspects of Plutonian behaviour. So here we may observe the 'harmless person' afflicted by a long line of traitors, liars, philanderers, and emotional vagabonds.

The third dark road takes the form of endless drama. Here we find the individual who 'is simply unlucky in love'. A person on this road may very well talk an excellent game when it comes to intimacy and its complexities. He or she seems wise, grounded psychologically, and seemingly conversant with most of the paperback books published on the subject of love since 1938. But love never actually stabilises in his or her life. Why? Basically either he or she sabotages every relationship, or more probably pre-sabotages them by choosing impossible, unconscious, wounded partners.

In every one of these paths we observe the pheonomenon of self-shielding, one way or another. Trust does not develop; it is not allowed to. The mysterious alchemy of lasting love never takes hold. There is no transformation, only pain and the avoidance of pain.

The Healing Method: Instinctively, we humans are cautious about the prospect of falling from a great height. A person raised to adulthood in flatland would feel the nervous edge the first time he or she peered over the railing of the Empire State Building., even if no-one suggested feeling that way. Instinctively, we are sexual creatures. a girl-child and a boy-child raised past puberty in complete isolation, then placed together on a tropical island: What are their prospects for chastity a year later? Pretty dim, is my guess. They may be a little clumsy at first, but they would figure things out.

Instinct exists in all creatures, ourselves included. It can be thwarted, controlled, misdirected, twisted... but it cannot be utterly rooted out.

Abandonment and child abuse are realities, but on a more fundamental level there is a sweet instinct of nurturing and trusting in our genes. An infant depends absolutely on its mother for survival. There is a tender instinct in both mother and child, an instinct that leads to the formation of a bond of profound trust on the part of the newborn.

That instinct is what you must recover. Your healing method lies in first findsomeone trustworthy, and then trusting him or her as an act of sheer will.

Clearly, making good choices about whom to trust is critical here. Your natural soul mates are Plutonian people, which is to say they are intense and self-revealing. Early in your relationships with them you will experience a kind of rite of passage in which they bring up serious, unsettling questions. Frank talk about death, for example. Or about sex or aging or fear. Not the sort of material that flies easily at a typical cocktail party. Such soul mates will generally make rather penetrating eye contact with you - that in fact is one of the simplest ways to pick out Plutonian people.

But be wary of their wayward cousins: the power-trippers, the self-appointed gurus and psychologists, the self-involved Walking Wounded who want to thrust their own pain onto you. Telling the two species of Plutonians apart is not hard. High Plutonians will always be willing to listen to you, to share their own uncertainties with you, and to learn from you. Furthermore, they typically have something energising going in their own lives, something that fills them with intensity and fire. Their lower cousins betray themselves in their inability to receive insight openly. As to their passions, they may have enthusiasms and hungers in their lives, but they tend to revolve more around generating appearances than true interest in the intrinsic subject.

Can't find the right people? One possibility is to enter psychotherapy with a well-recommended shrink. Another is to get involved with some public Plutonian activity on your own, and see who you meet there. Volunteer in some front-line capacity: environmentalism, idealistic political causes, shelters for the wounded in whatever form. Plutonian people flock to those venues. Once you've found the right ones, you begin the delicate, scary, time-consuming task of gradually discovering the happy meaning of the words 'trust' and 'intimacy'.

Slowness and patience must be emphasised here. The sudden peak experience of mutual revelation is a glorious part of life's journey, but it is not to be confused with seventh house intimacy. For that to develop, both people must reveal their boring sides, their crazy sides, their foibles... the whole palette of their humanity. Laughing together is a big part of it. Being miserable and clueless together sometimes is another part. Probably getting through a stupid fight or misunderstanding is another piece. Touch is a huge element. Intimacy is never simply about sharing hte best of what we are... it is about sharing wholeness.

The energising vision: You were born with an extraordinary capacity for connecting deeply with other people. All those loving, trusting instincts we described in the previous section are actually extra-powerful in you. But something went haywire and they were damaged... that at least is a way to say it. But there is a deeper truth. In your ascent out of darkness, you return to the bright world of day with more than you had at birth. Your naivetŽ has been tempereed; you now have a perception of love far deeper than Adam's or Eve's - or anyone else whose journey has been smoother than yours.

You know how love can go wrong, how we can lie to ourselves and tie our lives in lonely knots. You understand what is at stake when people trust each other.

You know about the presence of the frightened child in all of us, and how that child can sometimes make our decisions for us.

You understand the centrality of our human capacity to be trustworthy ourselves, and you know that it means more than doing what we say we're going to do. It also means listening openheartedly to the howl of banshee in the beloved sometimes.

Intimacy exists between two human wholenesses. And the Shadow is part of the package. When you've done your healing, you understand that notion profoundly and you therefore carry the Mark of the Counsellor. You'll be drawn into complex situations as a mediator, bringing people together who might otherwise do terrible damage to each other. You are quite capable of getting paid for that work, although that's far from the heart of the matter. You may mediate in a business context, or among friends, or between lovers. There, you are a truth-seeker and a truth-teller; and when people are ready to hear their demons named, they'll be drawn to you.

There is a rightness in that path for you. It will fill you with a sense of meaning, purpose, and fiery enthusiasm. And it is part of your destiny as long as you're calling Earth your address.


Jeff Green:

As in all natural cardinal houses, Pluto in the Seventh House demonstrates that a new evolutionary cycle has been and is still underway. These individuals have been learning how to develop an objective awareness of themselves and to understand their sense of individuality in a social context. In addition, they have been learning lessons of equality, relativity, and of listening. They have been learning how to listen to another's reality as it exists for them. In so doing, they have been learning how to give in relation to what others need according to that reality. Within these lessons, they have been learning how to participate in relationships as an equal.

In order to experience this evolutionary intent, those with Pluto in the Seventh House necessarily have had to be involved in a wide variety of relationships. Through involvements with a variety of people comes exposure to many different value systems, intellectual systems, emotional patterns and spiritual beliefs. Through this process, these individuals have been learning how to understnad their own intrinsic individuality through comparison or evaluation of the relationships that they form. In other words, it is through comparison with others that they become aware of who they are as unique individuals. In this way, these people have been learning, on a preliminary basis, the evolutionary lesson of objectivity versus subjectivity.

A fundamental lesson because of this prioer evoltuionary intent is how to participate in relationships. From the First through Sixth Houses, the focus was on the subjective development of the individual, which necessitated a self-centered orientation to life. The egocentric seed of individuality was planted in the First House. From the First House through the Fifth House, this seed progressively expanded and grew in ever-widening circles of development. In the Fifth House the egocentric seed had blossomed into the creative self-actualisation of intrinsic individuality. In the Sixth House, the archetypical need was to experience essential aloneness, and to purge or purify the egocentric balloon of self-importance. In addition, it was necessary to learn the practical skills or techniques that allowed for an appropriate harnessing, focusing and channeling of the inherent work capacities of the individual to serve the needs of the culture, tribe, or society in a practical way. This archetype produced an inverted pyramid effect upon the subjective development of the individual, purging the ego of delusions of grandeur and promoting essential humility.

In the Seventh House, the potentially purified individual is now ready to relate with others on an equal basis, rather than on a subservient or dominant basis. Those with Pluto in the Seventh House will have felt in the past, and will feel coming into this life, a compelling need to be involved in relationships. This compelling need is rooted in the desitre to complete the self through relations with others and to unite one's life with another's. Because of this prior evolutionary intent, the unconscious emotional security structure of these individuals is rooted in their need to be involved in relationships in order to feel fulfilled and complete.

Because Pluto in the Seventh House represents a relatively new evolutionary cycle, these individuals have literally been learning the ongoing lesson of how to be involved in relationships with others on an equal basis. Most of these individuals have not learned how to do this. On the one hand, these individuals will need to take in information and differing points of view from many diverse types of people. This situation sets up the need to listen objectively to others in order to determine how to relate with them. By exposing themselves to the diversity of others, these individuals have been learning to understand objectively the relativity of human nature.

A potential problem that this prior life pattenr promotes is one wherein the individual becomes overly involved with too many relationships, and takes in too many differing points of view and values. Becoming overly involved in this way, the individual can lose sight of his or her own individuality; he or she can become overly absorbed in the differing realities of others. When this occurs, the Seventh House Pluto individual can become compulsively dependent on the opinions, advice, or knowledge of others as a means of determining who they are, or what they should or should not be doing with their lives. The dependency is put in motion as soon as the individual loses sight of his or her own individuality.

In this condition, these individuals cannot relate to themselves without relating to others. They are not comfortable unless others are around. In addition, once the individual loses sight of his or her own individuality, the stage is set wherein the individual will be subconsciously attracted to very powerful individuals who appear to be very strong, stable, and sure of themselves, and who have the ability (and perhaps the need) to guide or control the formation and development of the Seventh House Pluto person.

In this situation, the indiviudal has reached an extreme imbalance in which he or she is utterly dependent on the partner or people with whom he or she is involved. In the worst cases, this situation promotes the alter-ego effect wherein the Seventh House Pluto person is promoting or fulfilling the needs of another to the exclusion of his or her own needs. The other person has manipulated the dynamics in such a way as to make the Seventh House Pluto individual feel that his or her needs are being met by becoming an alter ego to the other. In effect, the Seventh House Pluto individual is being dominated by the needs of the other in such a way as to feel that those needs, desires, opinions, values and beliefs are his or her own. In this way, he or she has become dependent on teh other to have his or her needs, desires, ideas, values and beliefs validated, defined and fulfilled by the other. The Seventh House Pluto individual has simply become an extension of the other's reality and identity - an alter ego.

On the other hand, this same evolutionary dynamic of listening, observing, and identifying the reality of another to give to him or her what he or she needs accoridng to the other's reality, sets up another potentially extreme way to behave in relationship to others. In this extreme, the Seventh House Pluto individual becomes the dominant person. By listening intently, he or she can make others feel that he or she understands them, or is concerned about them, because of the ability to 'play back' the others' reality to them. In effect, the Seventh House PLuto person is unconsciously attracting those who need counsel, advice, companionship, or love.

This dynamic can lead to a position of emotional control within the relationship if the Seventh House Pluto person compulsively manipulates the relationship to make the other person always feel that he or she needs this individual in his or her life to be ok, to be secure, to be loved. In this situation, the Seventh House Pluto individual will impose his or her own values, beliefs, ideas and nature on the other in such a way as to make him or her feel as though those values, ideas, beliefs and nature are his or her own. Again, this kind of relationship is in a state of extreme imbalance.

In both cases, the lessons to be mastered involve objectivity, listening and giving, and recognising the relativity of individual needs and human nature. In both cases, the person is learning socialisation. In both cases, equality and balance were not learned in the past.

Since the evolutionary intent has also been to learn lessons of equality and balance in relationships, the Seventh House Pluto individual commonly has built up karmic problems associated with a variety of people. In either one of the two imbalanced conditions mentioned above, the individual would necessarily have had to recoil or react to the imbalance through evolutionary necessity. In both situations described above, this reaction can manifest itself in one of three ways:

1. The Seventh House Pluto individual leaves the partner because the needs that created the relationship have been fulfilled. This situation sets up new needs, and therefore a desire for a new relationship. The process of leaving is not necessarily positive or easy. Often, the partner does not feel that the relationship should end, especially for the reasons that the individual claims. The relationship ends with the partner feeling unresolved as to why it ended. This unresolved condition sets up the karma to be fulfilled with that person at some other time.

2. The partner leaves because he or she does not feel that there is any more need for the relationship, or feels that he or she is not getting out of the relationship what he or she is putting into it. His or her needs have been fulfilled. The Seventh House Pluto person does not feel this. He or she feels unresolved about why the relationship has ended. This situation also sets up the karma to be fulfilled with that person at some other time.

3. Both partners become mutually dependent on each other in whatever way it is defined relative to the towo extremes mentioned above. The degree of dependency becomes so extreme that further growth for each individual cannot occur. In this situation the roles within the two extremes acn be cyclically exchanged within the relationship, or they can remain polarised within the fixed positions of the extremes: one partner playing the dominant role, the other playing the subservient and alter ego role. In this situation one of the partners may be forcefully removed from the relationship, sometimes meaning death. The enforced removal creates growth for each through the intense pain, remorse and reflection upon the nature of their individual lives, and the nature of their relationship. Neither one was consciously ready for the relationship to end. Thus, unresolved, they will find each other again at some other time.

These reactions to the imbalance of relationships are to enforce the lessons of equality, balance, and relativity. A common astrological misconception about Libra and the Seventh House is that it is balanced by nature. The fact is, the Seventh House or Libra means learning balance. Very commonly, those with Pluto in the Seventh House have approached relationships in extreme ways in the past. In one relationship they will be the dominant partner, and in another they will be the needy, or alter ego, person. And, of course, some of these individuals have been in relationships in which the roles of being in control, and being controlled, have been interchanged within the same relationship.

Any kind of imbalance within a relationship will produce necessary confrontations, either between the partners, or internally within the individual. The internal confrontations are manifested in order to force the individual to examine the nature of every difficulty or problem within him- or herself, the relationship, and / or the partner. The nature of the difficulty or problem will always bt linked to a need that is not being met. External confrontation between the partners will occur for the same reason. The essence of this evolutionary lesson is to learn how to give to another what he or she needs and in so doing to have one's own needs met. Yet, because this evolutionary impulse is relatively new, the majority of these individuals do not know how to relate to themselves or others in this way. This produces not lonly the problem of imbalance, but also the phenomenon of conditional giving, or conditional love. Needs are linked to expectations; and expectations are projected upon a partner, or expectations are projected upon the individual by the partner. When the projected needs are not successfully met by another, then the withholding of love or giving can occur.

Because this evolutionary impulse is also teaching the individual how to receive love or giving from others, he or she may not be able to recognise what comes his or her way because of emotional distortions that are linked to the problems associated with the unmet expectations or needs. Similarly, the individual may desire to give to another, yet the other may not receive, recognise, or accept the giving due to his or her own emotional distortions linked to similar projected expectations or needs not previously met.

This evolutionary dilemma is necessary in order for these individuals to learn how to relate to themselves and others in a balanced and equal way. The confrontations, the conditional love, the leavning or being left by another, the shock of losing a partner through death, the alternating of dominant and subservient roles within the relationship, relationships that are formed upon the fixed roles of dominance and subservience, all occur to enforce the lessons of balance and equality, objectivity and understanding one's individuality in a social context.

These situations also occur to teach the individual what his or her essential needs are in a relationship, who he or she is because of relationships, and to develop social values regarding how people should relate to each other. these situations occur to enforce the lesson of minimising dependency on another person, and to overcome the tendency to make another person the god of one's reality, or to allow oneself to be made into a god by the partner.

These individuals will finally come to the realisation that they need to be needed, and they will realise how this need controls the formation or dynamics of their relationships. Recognising this dynamic, they will also understand their compelling need to give to others, and to be given to. The ongoing evolutionary lesson will teach them when to give and when not to; and when giving, what to give; and when not giving, why they should not give. They can also realise that by appearing not to give in certain situations, they are actually practising a form of supreme giving. In other words, in certain conditions these individuals must learn how to withhold giving to others. The nature of these conditions will be when another keeps coming back for more without applying or working with what was given before. By learning how not to give in these conditions, these individuals will learn how to stop promoting dependencies upon themselves by others. This is utterly necessary from an evolutionary point of view. In the very same way, these individuals can learn how to receive that which is being given to them without becoming dependent on those that are giving.

By examining the specific karmic / evolutionary signature in each chart with Pluto in the Seventh House, we can determine how the individual has approached relationships before, and what kinds of people the individual has been attracted to - and for what reasons. The natural evolutionary condition of the individual will supply additional information concerning the types and approach to relationships.

The polarity point is the First House. The evolutionary intent for this life is to teach the individual how to initiate his or her own life directions and decisions without depending on the opinions, advice, or consent of another. In the same way, this intent is teaching the individual to not control, interfere with, define, or block the partner's need to initiate directions or decisions. In effect, this evolutionary intent is teaching the individual to strike out on his or her own in order to fulfil his or her own destiny, and to minimise dependency on another in order to do so.

This polarity point does not imply that the individual should become a loner, or live without a close relationship. It does intend that the individual learn how to answer or supply his or her own needs in order to minimise expectations of another. It does intend that the individual learn how to be alone, and learn how to make his or her own decisions. It does intend to teach the individual to initiate his or her own self-motivated actions in order to develop more fully his or her individuality.

The evolutionary intent demands that the individual learn how to develop and balance the need for time alone with the need for time spent with others. In addition, the evolutionary intent demands that these individuals learn how to conduct relationships in a new way, i.e. not in the ways that one is 'supposed' to. It does intend that the individual learn how to encourage and support the need for independence in the partner, and to select partners who have the courage to actualise their own life through their own means.

The evolutionary intent is teaching these individuals to develop more fully the lesson of giving to another so that the individual's own needs can be met tenfold. In this way, the balance of relationship will be realised.

As these evolutionary lessons are developed, the Seventh House Pluto individual will be one of the most giving of all people. He or she will be able to identify the reality as it exists for anyone with whom he or she interrelates. In so doing, these individuals can give to others exactly what they need. In addition, they will learn when to give, and when not to give. By developing these lessons, they will learn how to participate in relationships in a non-dependent way, and will encourage independence in any partner or mate. Because of these lessons, these individuals will learn how to be inwardly balanced in any external situation in which they find themselves. They will no longer run the risk of losing themselve s by trying on differing values, ideas, and beliefs that others represent. These individuals will learn to appreciate the diversity of human nature, and recognise their own individuality because of it. This realisation can translate into the gift that they give others: the courage to discover and be themselves.

Common characteristics of Pluto in the Seventh House: compulsive need to be in relationships or to relate with others in order to feel complete, the need to dominate or be dominated by another, the need to be needed by others, the need to be liked by others, having a hypnotic effect on people, and the need to solicit advice or to give advice to others.

I hope u like this as much as i did

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Can I be a buttinski?

Mars446 -- would you have the interpretation of Pluto 5th and 3rd house quotes from Steven Forrest?

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Thank you so much for this information Mars. I've got my Pluto, Mars and Sun in my seventh house......i guess i really have alot to learn about relating...and to be honest, my placements are quite difficult to handle.

Sigh...

Lisa

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Mars..., thank you so much for putting all of this info together!!!! It really was like a little library on pluto in the 7th. One couldnt hope for a better overview.

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Hey Kay,

Sorry, I only have the info on my birth chart, which part of it was 7th pluto. Here's the website, maybe u can get ur interp on the planets u want.
http://star2star.info/

Others:
I'm glad u liked it...wished i had the sources so it'd be easier to help everyone out

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I found this short interpretation on CafeAstrology:

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Pluto in the seventh house suggests an attraction to partnerships that turn the life inside out. The tendency to be fearful of losing a partnership is common with this placement. The native may attract partners who are possessive, and if this is the case, it is usually because he or she is projecting his or her own fears of being abandoned onto partnerships.

The part about partnerships turning your life inside out and the fear of losing the partnership definitely rings true in my case.

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In the Vehlow chart system my Pluto is in the 7th which makes a lot more sense then it being in the 6th

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Pluto has been transiting my 7th from 2010.

For the past couple of years I can really relate to the desriptions of Pluto in H7. It's shocking!

Rather than viewing marriage or close union as merely a 'happily ever after' affair, it is wiser for those with this placement to understand relaetionships as catalysts or agents for personal transformation, grwoth and change.

Liz Greene says of Pluto in this house that 'the entry into the underworld comes through somebody else'. In other words, relationships will plunge them into deep emotional complexes which have lurked in the recesses of the psyche from as far back as early childhood (or even further, if one believes in karma and reincarnation). Through issues connected to partnership, parts of the naturewhich have been buried, repressed or kept under control by the ego will erupt messily into the everyday life. After the blast, there is the task of puting themselves back together again, it is to be hoped with greater awareness and understanding of their own complexities.

If they are not wholly in touch with their own darker or undifferentiated sides, then they may project these qualities onto the partner. If they have not acknowledged their potential for ruthlessness, betrayal, jealousy, envy and possessiveness, they seem to attract or constellate such traits in other people. Again, the nature of life is towards wholeness: if we are not living that wholeness, then the outside brings it to us.

I have seen many instances where those with Pluto in the 7th wanted to end a relationship but were afraid to do it for various reasons. Invariably, they somehow provoked the other person to do it for them.


Thanx for the info!

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