posted May 18, 2007 10:36 AM              

I remember Iqunk saying to you you found your soulmate and even that he wouldn´t have said it: see truly what you feel!

For instance: i know my bf is not my Twin Soul,but i feel him like my soulmate. And trully i think that we can be very happy cause he makes me feel so secure and warmth inside!
You know,finding our Twin Soul is very hard and to me there can be severall encarnations without knowing ours.
But i think you found yours. I trully think.

posted May 18, 2007 11:31 AM              

i remember of reading some texts about soulmates/twin souls and yes,they have that power over us.But that´s Why they appear,dont you think?
They trigger on ourselves things that we didnt wanted to show and feel cause what we basically fear is teh fear itself!
The worst thing i can feel is fear,right?So,when i know that person has the power to hurt me,the probable 1st thought is to run away cause we want to be happy forever with a person who only triggers on us our Best, and our best person we can be

But now,think of the other side: Why do we exist?What for?To evolve.And to do that,we must learn,grow,suffer,and learn again.But that pain that you´re fearing it´s not the one that it would make you regret of existing.Is the one that it´s going to make you LIVE.
Know are im talking about?
See,the best persons and the right ones for us are those who triggers in us our BEST and our WORST. Our worst being all our fears,pains,traumas,unresolved issues etc.But they awakes that in us only to heal us.Only to help us and making us feel that we trully are as we are and STILL that person is there.They hold us when we cry,scream and argue.They even understand why we say what we dont wanna say..They have inside them the key to our hearts and that´s why it scares the hell out of us.
Cause we know ourselves and we think that when the other trully finds us ( our heart our secretes our not perfect human beings)it will be disappointed and we´ll feel unworth of that love...
It´s not what it´s going to happen with you,you know...you´re scared but he´s scared to.Cause he feels the same fears as you.And probably as well, thinking he´s unworthly of your love.

You see,that happened to me also.
But on that moment i saw him i looked into his eyes and saw the same fear,and then,behind that fear,i saw me.
The way he saw me.And knew everything was allright.

There´can be only the regret on not having tRY

posted May 18, 2007 02:58 PM              

what you wrote about being scared of falling in love, of letting someone in, letting someone touch you so deeply; scared because if he touches you so deeply, it could be a touch of healing, but he could also hurt you like noone else, I can relate so much to this. Now more than ever.
I am at the same point in my life, scared of the feelings that I have for someone, and I will do just anything to keep him out. I do that by telling myself that I am not good enough for him, that he will never really love me, that he does deserve so much better than me.
But I guess, I am just being scared. I know how to deal with being unhappy and being unhappily in love, and a part of me resists to change that. I know how to cope with that. But I am not sure I know how to cope with happiness, love, the transformation love can bring, the healing and yes the pain, I guess every kind of transformation comes with a bit of pain, like you`re born to something new, or something inside you is being born.
So I understand you are scared, but I also wonder, do you really have a choice? Do you really want to miss that chance of a deep love? NO matter if he is your soulmate or twinsoul or karmic mate; at the end of the day, those are just names. What really matters, is what oyu feel inside. And I can feel quite clearly that you`re very attached to him, already.

Oh to make that a bit on topic. The guy who scares me so, I don`t share a Venus-Pluto-aspect with except for his Venus is exactly quinkunx my Pluto. I don`t know if that counts, the quinkunx I mean.
WE also have a double whammy of Moon and Pluto; a contraparallel (both ways) and a trine.

posted May 18, 2007 03:36 PM              

Don't let your love go.

Overcome the fear.

Fear gets in the way of love.

posted May 19, 2007 02:41 AM              

DD,
I read your post on the suicide thread, I can relate to your words too. I've had similar experiences. I know you are courageous enough to deal with this relationship. I wish you only the best!

Atlenta provided this link on a different thread. I know you guys will like it and feel it deeply. Thank you all for your stories. Good luck to all of you!!
http://www.borntoinspire.com/id60.html

posted May 19, 2007 01:42 PM              

I will let them know about the V/V sextile.

Again many thanks.

posted May 19, 2007 02:08 PM              

let ther b light,

I am sorry to hear about you and your Scorpio ex. I hope you guys will reunite some time in the future. Good luck with that!

posted May 19, 2007 03:07 PM              

Venus Conjunct Pluto between charts: Any Pluto connection between charts can bring in overwhelming feelings and thoughts but the Venus/Pluto conjunction races ahead in sheer passion, lust and dynamic/volatile energies. The Venus person reflects and mirrors the deepest passions and needs of the Pluto person and in turn the Pluto person exerts their inner power to take control of the relationship. Can produce karmic bonds that are unbreakable or outright volatile and aggressive relationships that are detrimental and often fraught with plutonian issues of obsession, jealousy and suspicion. http://www.fatewatch.com/love/pluto.htm

3. Pluto
The Devil Card in the Tarot deck is symbolic of some of the types of feelings we have when in a relationship with someone when we have a Venus/Pluto Conjunction. We may feel so completely bonded to this person in an almost obsessive way. Because of this obsession we will often feel tied down or stifled by the intensity of this energy almost as if it is against our will! We often merge with this person on a very deep level losing our independence and allowing ourselves to be controlled and enslaved to this addictive feeling of sexual love. When we become addictive in our love patterns we often get caught up in appearances and the physical part of the relationship. We begin to limit ourselves, choosing to stay in the dark about other areas of the relationship. When we neglect seeing other areas of the relationship we can start to think negatively about seeing the relationship without this passionate energy and the intensity of the connection. We can become stuck in fear and doubt at this point.

I have had my own experiences in relationships with Venus Pluto contacts and if you read Linda Goodmans Relationships Signs books she emphasizes Venus/Pluto as "soulmate" or "twin soul" aspect...there is a very intense and deep love between the parties. It isn't only the Venus person who is doing the loving..the Pluto person is loving the Venus person but with a more "transformative" and intense/possessive love..usually the Venus person is overwhelmed, allured, attracted, consumed, and petrified all at the same time!! It is a vey intense and passionate encounter. When Venus Pluto conjunct in synastry usually other people "see" how in love the two are without any words between the couple..they could walk down the street and others will simply be envious and take notice!! It's an amazing thing!

Pluto connections are always intensely transformative. When we are in a relationship with another where there is a Venus/Pluto conjunction...our lives, for better or for worse...will never be the same.

Here are some keywords to assist you in better understanding the energy of the planet Venus:

Love, feeling, harmony, relationships, ability to give and take, longing and desire for union, sensory pleasures such as in five senses, beauty, sensuality, aesthetic peception, art, talents, good taste, the throat and neck, being vain, temptation, focusing on external factors, what we value, money and how we earn it. Venus is the feminine energy principle in the birth chart.

Here are some keywords to assist you in better understanding the energy of the planet Pluto:

Deep transformation, the depths, darkness, the source, underground, beneath, psyhological forces, our instincts, power, control, helplessness, dependency, intensity of strength, drive for far reaching and deep changes in self and in others, healing forces, hypnotic, destructive, sadistic, sexual organs, sex, the occult,compulsions, obsession and emotional entanglement. Pluto's deep transformative energy principle is responsible for making long lasting and much needed changes in our lives. http://www.karmicastrology.tv/synastry.htm

posted May 19, 2007 10:45 PM            

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Well, each soul's evolution level has something to say in this matter, too. Dulce Luna, you guys probably are wise enough not to get caught in all the bad energy the square could bring. Do you feel he's your soul mate?

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Its not that I'm highly evolved, its just he let me know from the beginning (one way or another) that he wouldn't indulge me. Had it been a lower type, knowing the mascochist I can be, I'd probably be sobbing about it online right now. That's probably why I became fonder of him; he actually showed he had balls, LOL. And plus, we have a tighter mars-neptune opposition that kind of brings something totally different into the mix.

Do I feel he is a soulmate? You see this is where my virgo moon over analyzing comes in, what does a soulmate connection feel like..hehe? All this may sound naive but I will tell you that the connection is so so so strong. My state of mind has been altered alot since I met him (when I wasn't from him for a while, I thought of him ALOT and still do). There were so many "strange coincidences" between us; I think they call it "syncronicity". One of these incidences involve my sister and the fact that she looks just like me. And so many other strange stuff but so little time to name.*edit* I will also mention though, that I once was read by a psychic and brought him up! She seemed to be hinting in the direction of question (is he a soulmate?) at the time I was read by her. The way it happened, was also strange because this meeting w/ the psychic was almost a chance meeting. And she told me these things about me and him at a time I really needed to hear them!

posted May 20, 2007 02:34 PM              

There is too much attrubution in this thread to this one aspect and very often to single aspects in general. Its always the entire picture, with house placements, current transits and progressions that make a situation what it is astrologically (aside from free will). Conclusive statements are more likely to be true when aspect patterns are formed between two people - where several planets form a kite, grand trine, yod or boomerang. Even then, its about the whole picture. There is no "soulmate aspect" that exists as a single indicator of love.

Personally, I have had venus square and opposition pluto many, many times. Sometimes it occurred with other attraction aspects and enhanced an intense attraction and other times it occurred on its own and did very little. Very recently I had

mars exactly conjunct venus
venus conjunct moon
venus trine sun
venus opp sun
mars trine pluto
sun conjunct south node
boatloads of chiron and juno aspects

,.,.and venus square pluto and not much happened. There was something there but a fundamental intellectual and life orientation incompatibility so it basically stayed neutral.

posted May 20, 2007 03:05 PM              

Of course we know tha 1 aspects doesnt stand a chance to compatibility and maybe even a douzen ones might not!It all depends of the persons involved,circunstances,life,free will and so much more
We cant generalise and say : hmmm these are soulmates cause there is a sun/moon easy aspects or sun/asc/saturn for example!
Iknow couples having imcompatibilied sinastries and still are happy and long-term and also know good sinastries where the couple aren´t anymore a couple!

For example: Paul and Linda Mcartnney - they are knowed as being soulmates,right?But they do has their moons square ( not definately a compatible aspect);their suns squared; sun-neptune square;venus opposed;venus/moon opposed;...werent easy but they managed
But they also had very nice aspects as well,of course