posted June 26, 2007 02:44 AM            

As a Rilke fan, you thrilled me when both stories quoted him. He was a Sag, you know.

It's funny...when people create something I don't enjoy, it doesn't make me like them any less, but when they create something I enjoy, I tend to get personal and like them for creating it. I guess I like that your mind thinks and expresses itself this way.

posted June 26, 2007 08:47 AM              

- OUr Valentines sextile (-3º)
- Valentine/Vertex DW
- hIS NN semisextile my Valentine(1º);

I really wanted to know 2 things:

When concerning DW,do we conseider also the minor aspects,even if it´s exact?

posted June 26, 2007 09:00 AM              

I`m interested in knowing if we can consider minor aspects in dw`s, too.
But concerning the orbs, well maybe I`m becomins slowly even more strict than IQ (okay, I know that is not possible ), but no, I wouldn`t consider the Valentine-Nn-conjunction.
Just play a bit on astro.com and see how long it has lasted. I don`t think it`s all that individual; those other tight aspects may have much more significance.
Even though I can understand that you want to allow it. We all have our favourite aspects, and sometimes we stretch the limits a bit more and more and more, until they satisfy our wishes.

EDIT:
I just checked something.
On 18th january 2006 Transiting Valentine was exactly conjunct my NN.
If I apply an orb of 2°, this conjunction would have been in effect from january 12th to january 24th, almost two weeks.
But if I allow an orb of 7°, then this conjunction would have been in effect from december 28th to february 9th.
That means basically, that everyone, born within those 6 weeks would have their Valentine conjunct my True Node.

posted June 26, 2007 09:29 AM              

You´re right, many times we would just want to consider a specific aspect with more orbº cause its said so POSITIVE - hihihi

posted June 26, 2007 09:53 AM              

I just looked, how long some planets and asteroids take to move 2 degrees. Of course the speed is different in summer in winter, or if they are retograde or changing direction, but still it gives a pretty good idea of the average speed:

AC: 10 minutes
Moon: 4 hours
Sun: 2 days
Mercury: 3 days
Venus: 3 days
Karma: 5 days
Osiris: 5 days
Eros: 5 days
Isis: 7 days
Psyche: 7 days

Amor: 14 days
Juno: 14 days
Valentine: 30 days
NN: 40 days

Well, so, I guess that`s the reason we should look for connections to Moon and ASC.
I probably would consider everything within 7 days to be quite strong in natal and synastry, and in the case of Amor, Juno, Valentine and NN I would prefer to see connections with the fast moving objects, ideally with Moon or ASC.

posted June 26, 2007 10:09 AM              

SO, the most important ones can be considered those who moves faster but still are connected with moon or asc in sinastry,showing special bonds

posted June 26, 2007 11:58 AM              

This is the true reason, that I still place some importance on the aspects between houserulers.
I mean, a strong aspect between Venus/ Mars and Pluto is great, but my heart starts missing a beat if I see the rulers of 1st house / 7th house and 8th house in strong tight aspect.

DD

posted June 26, 2007 01:11 PM              

My:
Moon sextile his Merc(1º);Venus semisextile his Asc(0º);Saturn skuare his Asc(1º9; Pluto square his Asc(1º);Kiron sextile his Asc(-4º);Isis semisextile his Asc(0º);Anteros/Adonis square his Asc(-4º/-1º);

His
Moon oposes my Mars(-7º); Opposes my Karma(-1º);Trines Pluto(-9º);NN(3º);conjuncts Lylith(0º  ª); bq Eros(0º); sqaures Psyche(0º);

Our Venus/Mars Mid/8th house ruller DW

The ruller of his 1st is Moon, of 7th is Saturn ( which connects in tight orb with my Sun,Moon,Venus,Mars,NN,Valentine, Aprodite,Anteros) ;of his 8th is Venus (which connects in tight aspect with my Moon,Mars,Pluto,Krion,Valentine,Isis,Aphrodite,Anteros,)

The ruller of my 1st is Venus ( which connects tight to his Jup,Saturn,Urnaus,Neptune,Kiron,Eros,Anteros,Ascendant(0º))
The ruller of my 7th is Mars ( which connect tight to his Sun,Moon,Merc,Venus,Mars,Jup,Saturn,Kirom,Vertex,Karma, Psyche,Adonis,MC)
The ruller of my 8th is Venus which connest tight with his Merc,jup,Saturn,Uranus,Pluto,Kiron,Eros,Adonis,Asc)

posted June 26, 2007 09:46 PM              

I'll make my profile public.

I'm not sure if you still need to make an account to see it,
but let me know, - if you cant see it,
I'll post the poems somewhere.

What's your Sun/Moon/Asc (sorry, if you already mentioned them)?

posted June 27, 2007 12:16 PM              

I don`t know if squares and oppositions necessarily cause hate. I don´t think so. I think they create tension and friction, but especially in the case of the opposition, this kind of tension is maybe needed to take notice.
Sometimes it feels like all those nice sextiles and trines are so harmonious, that you never think about them. But you tend to notice a square and an opposition.
So, I think most challenging aspects are the ones that make you sit up and notice a person. It could lead to dislike, but it could also lead to a passionate exchange (without tension, there is no passion; you need something to get your motor going). Of course it depends on the planets involved, too many squares between Saturn and soft planets like Moon and Venus, can indeed be a painful experience.

Diandra,

I love this exact Sun-ASC-conjunction you have with your boyfriend. That is such a beautiful aspect, such a strong sign of attraction and compatibility.
Also those strong connections between the houserulers - hmm, delicious. Not all are easy of course, but there´s definitely something strong going on.
Even though he may not realize the astrological and spiritual aspects as you do, he surely must feel it. It`s too strong to ignore.

posted June 27, 2007 12:21 PM              

for now my favorite is that same sun/asc exact conjunct in sinastry.

How are you doin?

Im now focusing on that thread doubtingthomas iniciated;and Node gave delicious asteroids list by Iq,posting his application rulles.
So, now im tryin to investigate what of those may be the strongest ones for me and my bf.

posted June 28, 2007 03:59 AM            

But about this:

quote:

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I'm thinking if the energy of asteroids is very specific, then oppositions or squares must be hate and intense dislike or the extreme opposite, depending on the function of the asteroid.

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I don't think the type of aspect (say, trine vs. opposition) changes the energy of the asteroid. Valentine will always mean strong feelings of love. I think when it's in hard aspect, it means that there's something challenging the Valentine person from expressing his love. Or maybe something challenging the Sun person from accepting the other's love. So an opposition wouldn't create the opposite emotion, it would just indicate something that's making expression of that love challenging. I'm pretty sure that's how Iqhunk explained it once. Something like the Valentine person is challenged to love the Sun person (but that doesn't mean that the Valentine person hates the Sun person).

You listed a hard Venus/Pluto dw. Are the orbs tight? That could definitely be contributing to the love/hate feelings.

posted June 28, 2007 07:52 AM              

you got a portuguese name very sweet!

I also think that those hard aspect doenst create hate,its nothin like that you know.

sextiles,trines,conj,creates harmony and ease exchange of harmonies but the relationship ( any kind) needs to habe the some kind of tension ( the skuares and opositions creates that) - throughtout that interaspects is how 2 people learn and grow with and throught each´s other´s actions and thoughts.

posted June 28, 2007 08:07 AM            

Valentine square Sun MUTUAL (both 3 deg, I know thats too wide)
His valentine square my mercury (0.3deg)
His Valentine square my saturn (2.58deg)-too wide???
His Valentine trine my MC (2.14deg)-again, too wide???
My valentine opposed his Uranus (0.38deg)