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Mariangela
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I think you're on to something with the energy being more specific. Iqhunk (whose brain I'm deeply in love with ) has said, if I'm remembering correctly, that asteroids have a power that's 10% that of the main objects (planets, ascendant). However, he has also said that asteroids are very specific in their function. So with Valentine you're dealing with condensed feelings of true love. I hope Iqhunk visits this thread so that he can offer his interpretation of the aspect. If he says it's a negative aspect, I'm going to immediately dump my boyfriend.

That's so sweet what you said about my relationship. When my bf complains that I spend too much time online, I tell him I'm just talking about him so there's no need to be jealous. Sometimes I feel like a broken record with "my bf this, my bf that" but it really helps astrological lessons stick with me when I apply them to my own primary relationships.

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I remember reading that the Scorpio/Taurus Axis could lead to extreme, intensely sexual and sensual, all-encompassing love or psychotic, destructive hate.

Eh, you get used to it.

What's your Valentine placement?

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hmm, Valentine ...
like IQ said the asteroids work on name frequency basis but i have discovered it is not always so..
for example my parents are indian and in our country Valentine's day was unknown until a few years ago. and yet ..

his Valentine conjunct her Valentine and Venus

they got married in 1980 and neither of them had heard the word Valentine.so that makes me think IQ is right , Valentine does point us to the purest kind of love, because that is what they have , after all these years, 2 kids, they are still in the honeymoon phase....sigh.

also in Draconic charts...

my Mom's Draco Valentine is exactly conjunct my natal Ascendent at 16 Pisces to Degree, Minute and Second.
{{She has on many occasions passionately declared that she can die for me,,just like IQ said in his thread on these asteroids, Val and Amor.}}

in addition my Dad's draco Saturn at 16 Pisces, and his Draco Karma at 17 Pisec conjunct my Draco Sun make this unbelievable, i had goosebumps when i first saw this

honestly i think in response to your question Marieangela that a tight aspect even if hardf is better than any aspect..

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posted June 19, 2007 06:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your parents sound beautiful. The only drawback is you've seen the pinnacle of true love, so it must make it hard for you to become infatuated with anything less pure. Actually, that's not even a drawback. I think it's good to be discriminating in matters of love (within reason).

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Many of us have contradictory natures that make relationships difficult. Me, I love to feel really bonded and close to my partner. A casual connection and feelings would never move past the acquaintance stage with me. On the other hand, I need lots of freedom and space and a relatively undemanding partner. Fortunately, my guy is similar, but this still occassionally causes problems.

I think the most important thing is to keep an open mind. Åbout who you are, who you are in relationships, who the Virgo is, what your relationship is...

Does your Valentine aspect any of his planets? Or his Karma and Amor asteroids?

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How about Valentine opp Venus in synastry?His Valentine is at Sag.6 Deg(H5),my Venus is at Gemini 6 Deg(H12).They are 16 min apart from being exact.And what a surprise...I found yet another connection between Pluto and a "love" asteroid.His Pluto(Libra 20 Deg.) opposes my Amor(Aries 19 Deg.)I swear...somethin's up between me,him,and Pluto!!Hope it's transformational in a good way!He's already transformed my life more than he can imagine!

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Wow Mariangela...I just noticed our Suns are conjunct.Mine is Taurus 26'29(H12).And yea...those Virgo boy's ARE confusing!!I'm in love w/ one now!Sending big hugs to my fellow Bull!!

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VALENTINE 3' Cancer (11th)
Moon 6' Cancer (11th/12th)
Venus 8' Cancer (11th/12th)
AMOR 7' Capricorn (5th)

Sun 1' Leo (12th)
Jupiter 1' Sagittarius (4th)

Asc 9' Leo
Mercury 13' Leo

TNode 9' Sagittarius
Uranus 8' Sagittarius

Pluto 17' Gemini (11th)
Mars 18' Gemini (11th)

Neptune 28' Gemini (11th)
Saturn 29' Sagittarius (5th)

"I want to love first and live incidentally." - Zelda Fitzgerald


me:

AMOR 29' Pisces (2nd)

Vesta 11' Capricorn (12th)
Saturn 11' Virgo (8th)
VALENTINE 12' Virgo (8th)

Sun 13' Scorpio (9th)
Venus 15' Scorpio (9th)
Uranus 16' Scorpio
MIDHEAVEN 16' Scorpio

LUST 20' Cancer
Ascendant 20' Capricorn
Ceres 21' Capricorn

EROS 0' Scorpio (9th)
Moon 0' Aquarius (1st)
JUNO 1' Aquarius (1st)

Mars 3' Sagittarius (10/11)
Mercury 4' Sagittarius (10/11)
PSYCHE 9' Sagittarius (Conjunct Antares)
Jupiter 8' Leo (7th)
P.Fort 7' Aries (2nd)
CHIRON 7' Taurus (3rd)

SUN/MOON Midpoint 22' Sag (11th)
SNode 25' Pisces (2nd)

Neptune 16' Sagittarius (11th)
and
Pluto 17' Libra (9th)
YOD to
Imum Coeli 16' Taurus
with
Uranus 16' Scorpio
(APEX Planet; "boomerang" aspect)

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posted June 22, 2007 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MoonDreamer - Is it evenly split whose Pluto is involved? No fair if he always gets to be Pluto.

HSC - If you so much as wink at me I may fall for you with all those Valentine contacts I make with your chart. Keep away. I could be F. Scott. I've always wanted to write the Great American Novel.

I was interested in checking out Valentine, Amor, and Karma's role in the Fitzgeralds' synastry:

Z's VALENTINE at 3 Cancer...
sextiles F's Moon at 4 Taurus
squares F's Sun at 2 Libra
opposes F's Eros at 1 Cap

F's VALENTINE at 27 Virgo...
squares Z's Neptune at 28 Gem
squares Z's Saturn at 29 Sag
(Appropriate planet squares considering their relationship.)

Z's AMOR...(I didn't notice any tight aspects.)

F's AMOR at 11 Gem...
conjuncts Z's S.Node at 9 Gem
sextiles Z's ASC at 9 Leo
sextiles Z's Mercury at 13 Leo

Z's KARMA at 6 Cancer...
sextiles F's Moon at 4 Taurus

F's KARMA at 15 Leo...
sextiles Z's Pluto at 17 Gem
conjuncts Z's Mercury at 13 Leo

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hmm, this could be a a juicy topic, i think before applying to synastry, look at the asteroid interactions in ur own natal chart.see if the action is repeated in synastry.
i have natally,

Kali at 29.5 Gemini, conjunct Sun at 0 Cancer , moon at 3 Cancer
Valentine conjunct Atlantis at 18 Taurus.
as clear from previous threads i m a Tantric follower, so Isis and Osiris are not as important for me, also being an Indian, Siva represents the Father and Kaali the Mother Principle of our Higher Selves

in synastry ,
my Draco Valentine conj his True Node at 5 Aqua
His Draco Valentine conj my Natal Venus conjunct Chiron at 25 Tau.
his Draco Atlantis on my South Node.
in composite
Comp. Valentine conj True node ( deg, min , sec)
Comp Venus exactly quindecile Pluto


WE were split into 2 sexes after the fall of Atlantis , as confirmed by IQhunk .
i had been receiving insights from my meditations that , my natal Valentine conjunct Atlantis meant my Valentine, was last with me then, he was my Twin Soul , thus the marker for me is my Valentine. check for such markers in ur natal chart, and ask ur Higher Selves for guidance, it always works. look at the above . how freaky can it get !!!!!!!!!!!!

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but wait , here's our synastry..

( 3 DEG ORB .THOSE EXACT MARKED WITH *)

his sun opp my sun
his sun opp my moon*
his moon and mars square my KAALI ,*
his moon and mars square my sun* and moon
his saturn conjunct my venus and chiron
his chiron quindecile my pluto*
his chiron opp my mars*
his pluto square my KAALI , sun ,moon
his Pluto square my ISIS
his KAALI conjunct my saturn
his KARMA conjunct my PLUTO
his PLUTO quindecile my KARMA
his ISIS conjunct my KARMA
his sun conjunct my JUNO*
his JUNO conjunct my SATURN*
his KAALI AND SPIRIT oppose my KARMA ( 2 deg) conjunct my SATURN (2 deg)
his KARMA opp my KARMA
his MOON and Mars in my 1 house
his PSYCHE conjunct CUPID * on my D.C. at 16 virgo.
the sabian for the above aspect gave me chills... " An ouija board "
his eros conjunct my vertex
his venus sextile my uranus*
my venus and chiron sextile his mars
my neptune decile his venus
his neptune M.C.ruler conjunct my uranus*
his D.C. ruler jupiter conjunct my M.C. *
his D.C. ruler jupiter conjunct my neptune in my 10 house
his M.C. Ruler Neptune conjunct my Uranus
his OSIRIS trine my KAALI, sun amd moon.*
his OSIRIS sextile my ISIS
his VALENTINE square my KAALI * , sun, moon
his PARVATI conjunct my Vertex*


DRACONIC TIES
his Dr. VALENTINE 25'12 Taurus conjunct my Tr. venus 25'25 Taurus and Tr.Chiron 25'40 Taurus
his Dr. PLUTO 26 '2 Scorpio opposes above aspect
my Dr.VALENTINE conjunct his True node*
his Dr. SIVA conjunct my Dr. Valentine degree, minute and second!!!
his Dr.CHIRON conjunct my Dr. D.C.*
my Dr. Venus conjunct Chiron conjunct his D.C.*
my Dr. venus conjunct Chiron conjunct his Dr. jupiter and mercury
my Dr. Pluto septile his Dr. Venus
( the number seven stands for our Higher Selves)
his dr. OSIRIS opp my Tr. PLUTO
my Dr. union conjunct his Dr. Pluto*
my Dr. KARMA conjunct his Tr. Sun
my Dr. cupid conjunct his Dr. Chiron*
his Dr.Psyche conjunct my Tr. SIVA*
his Dr. VALENTINE conjunct my Dr. PSYCHE
my Dr. Neptune conjunct his Dr. Ascendent*
his Tr.Neptune conjunct my Dr. Ascendent*

Always look at the bigger picture, look for Asteroid interactions in ur chart, like my example, look at the Valentine, Karma, Isis- Osiris playin in ur natal, then in ur partners, then synastry then composite.
dont think mathemetically, u can have excellent synastry with hundreds, but only one Valentine

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Give it time Mariangela...Virgos can be aloof!They are scared to death of making mistakes!Maybe he is scared of rejection!You gotta use that Taurus persistance to go get'em!!Have faith and patience! Good luck!!

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Here's a difference between Sags and Taurus. MoonDreamer tells you to wait, and I'm telling you good riddance to him. I love Tauruses to bits and pieces and see the value in patience. I agree with MoonDreamer that his Virgo perfectionism and fear of rejection may be what's delaying him from developing the relationship further. I wouldn't want to wait for him to get over that fear though (b/c who knows if he ever will). I'm patient in a lot of ways, but I'm not long-suffering. I guess I'd rather be patient by having faith that a better guy for me will appear in time.

If a relationship is causing you a lot of frustration and not meeting your needs, I don't really see the point in continuing it. Not to say I'm for cutting people out of my life, b/c I'm not like that. I just change the type of relationship. This guy would go from romantic interest in my mind to strictly platonic and he'd stay there.

I don't think he necessarily doesn't want a relationship. He just, at this time, wants the type of relationship you two have (which is intermittant). That may work for him, but if it's not working for you, there are other fish in the sea.

Also, about Valentine, keep in mind that although it's a significant asteroid, all asteroids are subtle and someone who is less spiritually evolved is unlikely to experience their asteroid placements.

And with the next guy...don't check his synastry with your friends.

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quote:
If you so much as wink at me I may fall for you with all those Valentine contacts I make with your chart. Keep away.

((I may or may not be winking behind these.))


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I could be F. Scott. I've always wanted to write the Great American Novel.

Me too.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum17/HTML/001472.html

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum17/HTML/000445.html

Then I lowered my expectations.
(Fiction is not my strong suit.)

Now I plan to write the Great American Book of Aphorisms.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseac tion=blog.view&friendID=49251475&blogID=169312682&MyToken=c65b0fd1-bdc0-4ef9-8ef3-db7209e5aed2

Or the Great American Book of Sub-Par Poetry:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseact ion=blog.view&friendID=49251475&blogID=80111047&MyToken=f9800559-bf27-484f-9fd2-ee75fd04428d

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