posted September 27, 2007 04:34 PM              

Rule 1:

my dad`s ASC is conjunct my mum`s Venus (0°06)

Rule 2:

my dad`s Mars exactly conjunct my mum`s Saturn (0°25)

my dad`s Mars trine my mum`s Valentine (1°)

my dad`s Saturn exactly conjunct my mum`s Venus (0°36)

my dad`s Karma trine my mum`s Mars (1°)

That`s not too shabby I guess.

The remaining aspects under 2°:

His Sun square her Sun

His Ceres square her Ceres

HIs Pholus conjunct her Pholus

His Mercury trine her Venus
HIs Venus square her Mercury

His Jupiter sextile her Juno
His Juno opposite her Jupiter

His Sun sextile her Jupiter
His Sun sextile her Eros
His Sun conjunct her Siva

His Moon sextile her Ceres
HIs Moon trine her Union

His Mercury square her Neptune

His Venus sextile her Juno
HIs Venus square her Nessus

His Mars conjunct her Saturn
His Mars trine her Valentine

His Jupiter square her Mercury
His Jupiter trine her Valentine

His Saturn conjunct her Venus

His Uranus trine her Sun
His Uranus trine her Ceres
HIs Uranus square her Eros
His Uranus opposite her Union

HIs NN opposite her Saturn
HIs NN sextile her Valentine

His Chiron square her Venus
HIs Chiron sextile her Neptune

His Ceres trine her Eros
His Ceres square her Psyche

His Karma trine her Mars
His Karma sextile her Uranus
His Karma conjunct her Nessus

His Amor trine her Pluto

His Juno opposite her ERos

His Psyche conjunct her NN
His Psyche trine her Karma
His Psyche square her Valentine

His Osiris trine her Pholus
His Osiris trine her Moon
His Osiris square her Amor
His Osiris opposite her Isis

His Nessus opposite her Mercury

His ASC conjunct her Venus

His Pholus trine her Moon
His Pholus sextile her Isis

His Siva sextile her Venus

HIs Kaali sextile her Moon
HIs Kaali square her Amor
His Kaali sextile her Pholus

His Union conjunct her MErcury
HIs Union trine her Kaali

Result: 50 points
(I didn`t treat the Ceres-Ceres-square and Sun-Sun-square as dw though, because it were challenging aspects, but if I did the score was even better then this).

Hmm, probably they are the reason for my high expectations in relationships.

DD

posted September 28, 2007 04:10 AM              

For Depp and Paradis, 2.01 of Saturn and Sun very much satisfies Rule 2 to the extent that we can further check for points. I would not have considerd 2.40' but 2.01' is certainly ok. Rule 1 is so perfectly satisfied with one of the best, an Asc trine NN!

Hi Jane,
If planning an astrologically correct date, please give yourself a 6 month start.
You must avoid retrogrades, Void of Course Moons, Mars sq Saturn, Mars sq Uranus etc. And the exact time of Asc trine Moon trine Sun, a grand trine of the top 3 will help.
Venus trine Jupiter will also be beneficial.
Numerologically, 6th 15th or 24th has to be the day number.

posted September 28, 2007 05:33 AM              

yes, it is a very good relationship, with all its highs and lows, but they fought through together.

"I notice a Nessus sq Venus from your mom to dad. That can mean a lot of possesiveness."
Yes, that is true. And it doesn`t help that her Sun and Mercury is in Scorpio and her Moon is in Cancer.

But there`s is just a little bit Nessus-dynamic going on in our family, astrologically speaking.

My parent`s also share a Karma-Nessus-dw (I didn`t count it, because even though the conjunction is exact, the opposition is almost 3°).

And my mother has Nessus-dw`s to all of us children.
With me: Moon-Nessus (both squares)
With my middle brother: Psyche-Nessus (sextile and trine)
with my youngest brother: Sun-Nessus (sextile, square)

My dad has only a NEssus-dw with my middle brother, Nessus-Uranus.
But no Nessus-dw with my youngest brother or me (very few Nessus-aspects to us at all, and if, then positive ones).

But our charts are very closely entangled. I once made an analysis of their important aspects, and realized, that us children link to almost all of their aspects by conjunction or opposition.

For example: my mum and dad share an exact Saturn-Mars-conjunction on 9° Libra; my Pluto is on 9° Libra, my youngest brother`s Mars falls onto 7° Aries.
My dad has also his NN on 9° Aries. (from where it trines my NN, Neptune and ASC within 2° each).

Or that exact Isis-Osiris-opposition they share - it falls exactly onto my Valentine. (my mum`s Isis is conjunct my VAlentine by 0°05).

Their Sun-Moon-opposition falls onto my Uranus (my Uranus conjunct my mum`s Sun).

My Mum`s Juno is conjunct my Dad`s IC (and widely opposite) her VAlentine.
And my Karma is opposite her Juno / his IC.

And I could go on, it`s astonishing. But probably you`d find those interconnection in every family.

posted September 28, 2007 05:36 AM              

"My wife's Nessus squares my Venus and she is ultra possesive at times."
Then you better make sure you never give her reason to doubt your honesty. But I`m sure you won`t.

"For Depp and Paradis, 2.01 of Saturn and Sun very much satisfies Rule 2 to the extent that we can further check for points."
Yes, I would think so. I actually give a leeway up to 2.09, because it`s still so close to 2°, and I don`t like those abrupt cuts.

However, what would oyu do if only one rule is fulfilled?
Let`s say rule 1 is not fulfilled, but you find 3 or 4 strong aspects according to rule 2, would you still proceed?

BTW I just came across a synastry chart of a friend of mine, who has been in a relationship for 2 years now, and thinks of her man as her Twinsoul, and she really is still so much in love with him.

And I found:

Her ASC conjuncts his Venus.
Her Venus trines his Pluto.
Her Pluto conjuncts his Valentine.

I thought that looks just absolutely beautiful, with the love-planets Venus and Valentine tied to Pluto so closely.
And then I compared it to other charts I`ve seen, with an emphasis on Saturn or Mars-aspects, and it seems to me to convey a totally different dynamic. Of course all those charts fulfill the rules, but after we have established that those people indeed have "soulmate-potential" or a strong synastry going on, shouldnīt we differentiate between the aspects?
I think the "tune" of the relationship would be a different one, according to the different interaspects, or am I wrong?

Let`s take this example of:

relationship A:
ASC trine Valentine
Saturn trine Pluto
Karma trine Venus
Pluto trine Venus

relationship B:
ASC conjunct NN
Sun conjunct Valentine
Mars conjunct Venus

relationship C:
ASC trine NN
ASC conjunct Pluto
Mars trine Saturn
Saturn conjunct Karma

Would I be totally wrong to assume, that the first two relationships would have a stronger "love-vibe" than the last one, even thought he last one could be a very lasting (till death do us part)-relationship?

posted September 28, 2007 06:58 AM              

I didnt knew your parents had such a wonderful astrological conections,no wonder you just look for something like that - well,good connections with some we already know you have

My parents are also together for about 40 years now:
I dont know my Dadīs time,so i didnt took this Moon/AC placements.Nevertheless,they have quite sth goin on:

- they have their mercuries conjunct;mars conjunct;a sun conj otherīs vertex/psyche;they have their venus conjunct;PF/Saturn conjunct;NN/jUP CONJUNCT;oneīs Kiron conjunct the othreīs Valentine/Uranus.
My Momīs Moon skuare my Dadīs Sun.
My Dadīs Mars/Uranus trine my Momīs AC and his Ne/Valentine conj my Momīs AC
MY Momīs Saturn trine Dadīs Valentine and conj his MC.
mY Moms Eros conj Dadīs Saturn/Uranus.
MY Dadīs VX TRINE Momīs SUN/MERC/JUNO/OSIRIS/MC...
Acording to the Nodes,my Momīs SN conjunt Dadīs Karma/Juno ( a past marriage that didnt evolved very well)? - and my Dadīs SN conj my Momīs Mercury/Osiris.

In composite they have Valentine in the 5th,trines Amor/juno/nn/pluto.

IQ,
Aabout the Ruleīs 1 and 2,can we consider as part of rule 1 a conjunction of Draco AC/to others natal NN( in 0šorb)?

posted September 28, 2007 08:43 AM              

""
Rule 1:
There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or exact trine of Ascendant of either person to either of: Asc, Sun, Moon, Venus, North Node, Saturn, Pluto, Karma, Valentine and Amor.
Exact means 1 degree either way or 2 degree orb to the max.
""

why only conj. and trines. are sextiles, opp and squares, noviles not valid ? also why only Asc and not D.C. i have noticed d.C. emphasis in many soulmaye synastries.
my mom's Sun n Moon bang on my dad's D.C. aat excactly 6 Aries.
also her AC conjuncts his m.c. that is one other pattern i have noticed.

""
Rule 2:
There has to be atleast one exact conjunction or trine of Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma with the other's Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Karma.
""

posted September 28, 2007 09:23 AM              

how funny, I pondered about the same thing. I think I even asked somewhere here, if the oppositions in the Draco indicate the past life of a couple, since, if you make the Draco`s based on SN all preveious oppositions would become conjunctions; it probably would also mean, that the sextiles in the normal Draco give insights about past lives, too, since they would become trines (I guess?).

Sorry, I can`t do the research just now, because I am pressed for time, myself.

posted September 28, 2007 11:57 AM              

we still have to wait for IQ`s vote on your question regarding the rules (he created the system, so he knows best how it works ,
but I have had some ideas on your questions, too.

I think the conjunction and trine are the preferred aspects, because both aspects link signs of the same element with each other and provide the most ease and attraction, based on an harmonious exchange of energies.

The sextile connects different elements with each other, which sympathize with each other. There`s a great deal of support and communication with the sextile, but in itself it is more of a "friendship"-aspect imo, not strong enough to base a love-attraction on sextiles alone, even though they are helpful, when there are other strong aspects present.

The square surely makes people notice each other, but for most people squares tend to bring conflicts and tension.

I`m not sure about the oppositions, even though it is a challenging aspect, it`s also hugely attracting and complementary; it also connects elements, that get along with each other, like the sextile, but the bonus of the opposition is that there is more energy to this aspect.
I think oppositions may play a very important role in attractions, but sometimes the intensity gets too strong to live peacefully with each other.

Regarding the DC - I certainly would like to include it, as well as the IC. Such important angles!

posted September 30, 2007 06:17 AM              

Coming to the system,it is heavily based on my studies and since I did not study the DSC much, I skipped using it. Judging from the positive results from DD and Venus using the DSC, I think it is wise to extend Rule 1 to include the DSC. And DSC also moves fast so no issues of it violating rule 1.

posted September 30, 2007 02:04 PM            

Turns out I did the math wrong...we actually have a 69. But that'll change if I use the DSC. I'm content w/ 69 though, so I'll leave it at that. Our score skyrockets if I get more liberal with orbs & allow a 2š10' orb, b/c lots of DW's get created. I didn't even check all the planets & asteroids, & we were up in the 90s. I'm going to stick with IQ's original system though.

posted September 30, 2007 02:30 PM              

yes I have found the IC to be very relevant in relationships. Actually P. Blashke stated in his book, that soulmates usually have a conjunction or solstice conjunction / opposite to the IC.

I have had a look at several charts and will list the conjunctions / trines and solsticepoints within 3° at most to the IC.

Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith:

his IC tgrine her Moon
his IC trine her Chiron

her IC conjunct his MErcury, which rules his IC and DC

her IC falls in the same sign as his Sun (Leo)

- actually those two have a lot of IC-action, involving dw`s between IC-Mercury, IC and ruler of 4th house; IC and the ruler of the ASC-DSC-axis

Johnny Cash - June Carter (Her time is unknown)

his IC conjunct her Karma
his IC widely solstice her Sun
his IC solstice her Lilith

Johnny Depp - VAnessa Paradis

his IC trine her Osiris
her IC trine his LIlith

his IC is in the same sign as her ASC

My parents:

his IC conjunct her Juno
his IC solstice point her Uranus (which falls into her 1st house near to the ASC)

her IC falls in the same sign as his ASC

Good friends of mine:

her IC conjuncts his Sun and Uranus
his IC trines her NN
his IC solstice point her Juno
his IC solstice point her kaali

Another friends of mine:

her IC trine his ASC
her ASC solstice point his Chiron

his IC trines her Sun
his IC is in the same sign as her SN

So, yes, I think IC is important and relevant, and interestingly most of those couples have a sign-relationship between and IC in one chart and ASC, Sun, (Moon) or NN in the other chart.

But I also think, IC-aspects point more towards a connection that has much to do with feeling at home with each other, as one family, but it doesn`t say anything about romantic or sexual attraction. You could just be very close friends. But if other aspects point towards romantic attraction and love, the IC-connections will make the relationship very deep imo.

posted October 01, 2007 06:08 AM              

URanus conjunction IC could mean that you have a tremendous, but sometimes unsettling influence on everything that has to do with the IC - home, family, etc.

Since the IC is the deepest point in the horoscope it represents the "bottom of your soul", you can`t get any deeper than the IC, it is your core of personality, an area most people try to protect and allow only very close people to see, sometimes they even hide it away from themselves. Those are the people who don`t really know what is going on in their own soul.

I`m a pretty good example for this. My IC falls in Aries, and its ruler, Mars is conjunct my Neptune and ASC. For a very long time I didn`t know how much energy, anger and also aggression was inside of me. I had tucked it all away (as a child I expressed my emotions including the unpleasant ones very directly, and have been taught to "get a grip" on myself), unaware it was even there, if it wasn`t for those startling very aggressive dreams.
But it took a long series of Aries-men and women and some other people who had Aries-placements or even aspected my IC closely to actually become aware of my own feelings.

So, if your Uranus is conjunct his IC, you have a direct connection to this very deep part of his soul, and since it is URanus, it will be startling, arousing, sometimes shocking and probably changing. Maybe you change his view on family and home, or at least make him think about those t hings. Maybe he wasn`t really aware what exactly his view on family is, but through your influence he is confronted with it, and has to form an own opinion.
HOw he react to it, depends on if he likes your influence on this area of his life.
Does he like to be "awaken"? Or would he rather keep on sleeping in blissful oblivion?

Your Venus trine his IC is a beautiful aspect though.

DD

posted October 01, 2007 06:23 AM              

I checked on Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward regarding IC-connections.

His IC trine her Saturn
HIs IC conjuncts her Chiron
His IC exactly solstice point her Karma

Her IC conjunct his Ceres
Her IC solstice point his Moon
her IC widely solstice point his Amor

I also checked on the "other" Paul (Mc Cartney) and Linda.

His IC trine her Mars
His IC trine her Psyche
His IC solstice point her Valentine

Her IC trine his Mercury (his ASC and MC-ruler)

Additionally I have found with all those couples that there are strong connection to the MC, too.

BTW IQ, Venus de India, Jane and Taurus 80, what do you think of the use of solstice points?

DD

posted October 01, 2007 09:25 AM              

His Valentine conjunct my ascendant (2 degrees)
His Karma conjunct my Saturn (2 degrees)
My Karma conjunct his descendant (exact)
My Amor conjunt his Venus (1 degree)

posted October 02, 2007 04:20 PM              

DD,
Hello!How are you? ive been away so i only got the chance to come here to the forum now.I was glad that you pointed out that question about DC/IC.
Of course i went see if the rule 1 applies to me and Jonhy hihih

IQUNK,
im sorry but i asked you sth on another post and you didnt saw it

-would you consider as part of RULE 1 a conjunction of Draco AC to the otherīs natal NN ( in a 0.5šorb?)

-a trine from natal Eros to the otherīs DC(0)?
- a trine from oneīs Helio Moon to otherīs Ic(2š)
- a trine from oneīs Helio Ceres to other Mc(1š)?
- a trine from oneīs Helio Valentine/kiron to otherīs natal IC(0.27īš)?
- Oneīs Draco Ceres conjunction to the others natal IC(0)?
- Oneīs Draco Juno trine to the others natal Ic(2)?
-Oneīs Draco Sun trine to the others Natal DSC(2š)?

In Sinastry:

would you also consider as Rule 1:
- my union conjunct his AC (0orb)?
- his Kiron trine my AC(2š)
- my VX trine his AC (1š)
-my Destiny conj his AC (0š)
-my Fortuna trine his MC(0š)
-MY Spirit trine his IC(2)?

posted October 03, 2007 05:26 AM              

I also have a different take on Solstice Points. I would use the following:

Cancer-Leo
Gemini-Virgo
Taurus-Libra
Aries-Scorpio
Pisces-Sag
Aqua-Capricorn

as opposed to what is conventionally used.

However, I have not studied this methodology. I just know that mathmematically for the solstice point theory to work, the calculations have to use the above pairings.