posted September 23, 2007 10:03 AM            

Yes, all aspects no matter which ones they are if they are in the degree of nodes and angles they are important.
Keep this in mind no matter what you are studying in the charts
Same with forecasting charts
Lets say you are looking at your Solar Return for the year....any planet/asteroid/point etc you are studying is in the degree of your nodes or angles whether natal or Solar return or even progressed then its vital for the current year.

posted September 23, 2007 10:23 AM              

thank you for the explanation.

And I checked Utopia. It falls on 3° Libra and is conjunct my MC and draconic Karma.
Dr Utopia is conjunct my Antivertex and Sun-Moon-midpoint and opposite my Eros and asteroid Destiny (don´t know how important that one is though).
Utopia also widely squares my Venus by 3°, but not Isis and Osiris (orb would be 4,5°).

But what does Utopia mean?

posted September 23, 2007 11:59 AM            

Well...I'm exploring a karmic triangle. I never thought of comparing all three of us, and the aspects you've added really tie in.

Then, I tried comparing a multi composite with the aspects...and WOW!

I have to run, but will post some of the aspects of your newly found astrological discovery soon.

Thanks and have a great day!

posted September 23, 2007 06:46 PM              

keep it comin´hihihih the new stuff youve been posting really is great for us to further investigate!I personally am loving it .
Well,for now i found this:

My true love in marriage falls on my 4th house;it conjuncts my IC in 2º.Oposes my MC(0),my Draco AC(2), my Helio SId karma/valentine(2).Trines my sun(0),juno(2),pallas(0).

- my "true love in marriage" conjuncts his Osiris(0),Isis(2)and Helio Sid Osiris(3).Oposes his NN(2)and oposes his Draco Psyche/Merc(4)and his Helio SId Kaali(2).Also trines his karma(2),his Sidereal Atlantis(2)and Draco Vertex(2).The funny thing it is also conjunct his Isis/Osiris Midpoint(1).It widely oposes his Marriage(1) in 4ºorb.It sextiles his Draco Valentine(2).Skuares his Sun(1).

-my "permanent relationship" falls on my 8th house,oposing my Pluto(2).oposing my venus(0) and neptune(2).

in my bf´s chart,it:
- widely oposes his Saturn(6)
-trines his 6thCusp(1),Neptune(4),Juno(0),his Part Destiny(2),his Draco Mars(2).Sextiles his Draco Sun(2).Skuares his AC(0)and his Draco Karma(0).Skuares his Helio Osiris(1)and Sid Kaali(1)

-my Isis/Osiris Mid ( falls on my 9th,oposing my uranus(0) and juno(1)):

- conjunct his Draco Amor(0),
-oposes his Mars(1),his POM(5).
- trines his Sun(0),
- skuares his Draco Valentine(1),Draco Vertex(1)

-my "soulmate marriage commitment"(falls on my 11th;conjuncting its cusp; trines my DC(0)and my marriage(2)
:
- conjunct his Draco Jup(1)
-trines Uranus-his 8thruler(1),his POM(0) ,his Helio Kaali(2),
-sextiles his sun(5),Helio Sid Saturn(0),;
-skuares his H.S.Pluto(2),his venus/mars mid(1),His Helio Sid.VALENTINE/KIRON(0)

posted September 23, 2007 07:52 PM              

His True love in marriage falls on his DC.It widely oposs his love and marriage 2 in 4ºorb. and oposes his draco pluto(1) and draco uranus(1).

-it oposes my Eros(2),my sun/moon Mid(0),my Helio Sid Karma(4),my Draco AC(5).Trines my Osiris(2),Draco Uranus(1-my 5th ruler),my Draco marriage(1),Draco Mars/valentine(4).Skuares my Vertex(0),Destiny(4);Draco Pallas(0)
Oposes my Sid Valentine(3),Sid,karma(5).

-His one permanent relation falls on his 11th house,oposeing his vertex(1) and conjuncting his Valentine(3).

-it conjuncts my Draco Venus(4),and widely,my isis/osiris Mid(6).Oposes my Marriage 2(7).Sextiles my 11thcusp(2),mars(1),karma(2),valentine(1),Vertex(3),Sid Alma(3),Draco Isis(5)
Trines my 5thcusp(2),my Draco Juno(1),Draco IC(2),Helio Sid. earth(0);Skuares my Sun(5),Amor(3),Draco Jup(1),Draco Nep(1),Helio Earth(5).

-His Isis/Osiris Mid falls on his 6th house, conjunctinh his Isis/osiris,oposing his NN(3)and marriage 2 (3).

-It conjuncts my true love in Marriage (1º).Conjunst my IC(1),Pallas(1)Oposes my Eros(6),Draco AC(3),Helio Sid Valentine(4)/Karma(2),Draco Merc(3).Trines my Sun(1),Juno(1),Draco Union(2)and POM(4)and Sid AC(1).Skuares my Draco Nep(1),my DC(0),AC(0),Draco Isis(1),Draco Marriage(3),Sid Alma(3).

- His Soulmate Marriage Commitment falls on his 2nd house, conj his 2ndcusp(2),his Destiny(5),Hapiness(2) and his Draco Marriage(0).

-it widely conj my Venus(7),my Venus/Mars Mid(1),my Draco Psyche(5).Oposes my Ceres(4),Draco Osiris(1),Draco Sapprho(4)and my Draco Marriage(1)
.Trines my Marriage2(3),Draco Eros(2),Draco Amor(2),my Helio Osiris(2).
SKuares my Moon(1),Psyche(3),Draco Cere(4),Draco spirit(2),Draco Sun(5)/Mars/Valentine/karma(3)and also Draco Siva(3).

on our Helio Sidereals, his kiron conjunct his valentine.On mine, my kiron conj my eros and my valentine conj my karma.
On comparing charts, his Kiron/valentine conjunct my own kiron/eros tight. And his kiron/valentine sextile my valentine/karma also in tight.

posted September 24, 2007 08:30 AM              

MY “TRUE LOVE IN MARRIAGE” conj his ISIS/OSIRIS MID(1), oposes his Amor/Karma Mid( 5) and M(1) in 4orb. Trines his Sun/Mars Mid(1),Sun/AC Mid(4), Moon/AC Mid(2).Skuares his Mars/AC Mid(4),Venus/Pluto Mid(4),Kaali/Siva Mid(3).

My “ One Permanent Relationship” oposes his Venus/Uranus Mid(0); Trines his Venus/AC Mid(1).Skuares his Amor/Valentine Mid(1)

My “ Isis/Osiris Mid” oposes his Moon/Venus Mid(1), Trines his Sun/Venus Mid(5);Mars/AC(3); Kaali/Siva Mid(4). Skuares his Sun/AC Mid(2).

My “SOULMATE MARRIAGE” oposes his Moon/AC Mid(5). Trines his POM(0). Sextiles his Sun/Venus Mid(0), Mars/AC Mid(2).

His “TRUE LOVE in Marriage” oposes my Moon/Venus Mid(4) and my Sun/Moon Mid(0). Trines my Sun/venus Mid(1), Eros/Psyche Mid(0), Sun/AC Mid(4). Skuares my Venus/Uranus Mid(2).

His “ One Personal Relationship” trines my Sun/Uranus Mid(4). Skuares my Sun/Venus Mid(4),Eros/Psyche Mid(3),Venus/AC Mid(3).

His ISIS/OSIRIS MID oposes my Moon/Mars Mid(4),Moon/Venus Mid(5).Trines my Sun/Venus Mid(3),Mars/AC Mid(0),.

His “SOULMATE MARRIAGE” conj my Venus/Mars Mid(2),SUN/Mars Mid(2). Trines my Kaali/Siva Mid(4).

posted September 24, 2007 07:07 PM            

"Well...I'm exploring a karmic triangle. I never thought of comparing all three of us, and the aspects you've added really tie in".

you and me both

I am positive all three of us go way back!

Let me know what you find, I am really interested

posted September 24, 2007 07:13 PM            

"On comparing charts, his Kiron/valentine conjunct my own kiron/eros tight. And his kiron/valentine sextile my valentine/karma also in tight".

I think you have quite the love affair happening

Have you been together long?

posted September 25, 2007 06:42 AM              

Long long no..we have been together for one year and two months now.Since we met,more precisely hihihi.

Are you familiar with these kind of charts?The Heliocentric,Sidereal? What would you say its the most important for us to investigate in the relationship area? The Dracos,Helios or Sidereals?

posted September 25, 2007 09:10 PM            

sorry for the late reply....
I believe that "all roads lead to Rome" as the saying goes so every chart once mastered will reveal the same info you need so I think go with what resonates with you. I use the Draconic with the natal because it speaks to me so loudly and I feel the connections, if that makes sense
When I am studying a relationship I find that whichever chart or method I use the same theme pops up.
But I know what you are asking so to analyze our soulmate relationships I believe Draconic charts are so very revealing!

posted September 25, 2007 09:15 PM            

Good point you bring up because I have also found Juno and Jupiter connections in charts of couples and we know they were hubby and wife.
So check asteroids Hera and Zeus which are their Greek names and compare them to the parts, planets and love asteroids.

posted September 26, 2007 05:24 AM              

I`d also love to do our synastry. I bet there are some connections (well, we already know that lol).

I hope that works.

I can`t wait to see your chart.

posted September 26, 2007 06:10 AM            

Some other highlights:
My Ceres conjunct you IC. ~1º
Your Moon conjunct my IC. 5º
Maybe we were family members.

My Saturn sextile your Valentine. 1º
Your Saturn trine my Valentine. ~1º

My Sun sextile your Moon. 0º
Your Sun trine my Moon. 3º

posted September 26, 2007 08:11 AM              

" noticed we have a tight Juno trine Valentine dw. I'll send out our wedding invitations pronto."
You haven`t already done so? What keeps you so long?
BTW what do we do with your man? What did he say when you told him I am gonna move in with you two?

"y Ceres conjunct you IC. ~1º"
MOMMY!!!!

"Your Moon conjunct my IC. 5º
Maybe we were family members."
Maybe we were, seems to be a bit of IC-interaction going on between our charts.

"My Saturn sextile your Valentine. 1º
Your Saturn trine my Valentine. ~1º"
That is a close dw on Valentine-Saturn. I wonder what that means.

"My Sun sextile your Moon. 0º
Your Sun trine my Moon. 3º"
Another Moon-connection?
Hmm, maybe there is indeed "family-karma" between us.

"y Sun opp your Karma. 0º
Your Sun square my Karma. ~5º"
Sun, Moon, IC - yes, I can see the pattern.

I will have a look myself, when I have time. But it sounds intriguing.

DD

posted September 26, 2007 10:20 AM              

well, personally i like the Dracos too - it was through it that IQ said the we are SM afterall.

The thing is the other chartshave also very interesting aspects but i dont know exaclty how to translate a comparison between them to this lifetime.

recently i discovered that my birth time was swrong by hald an hour so all my previous analisis are compromised in the exact AC/planets/asteroid connections.- in natals it isnt so much diference but in the Dracos for example:while my Draco AC conjuncted his Draco Saturn exact before;now my Draco AC conjuncts exactly his True Node- it is still good though

Funny that youve mencioned hera/zeus cause yestedar ive searched for them in a thread i started and saw the sinastry connections:

- My Zeus trine his Venus(0)/Kiron(1),skuare Saturn(3)/PLuto(0) and oposes AC(2).
-His Zeus skuare my Vneus(0),trine my Vx(2) and sextiles my AC(2)
- His Hera oposes my Juno(1) and my Hera skuares his Saturn(1) and sextiles his Sun(0).
Relating to other asteroids we seem to have pretty mucg goin on between them and our NN..

posted September 26, 2007 11:53 AM              

"hMMM i think its beter to compare our 3 charts together cause some time ago Jane discovered she could have been a past uncle of mine and by the way this goes, you DD might pretty well have been my Aunt !"
A big, happy family!

Good idea, let`s compare all our charts. Well, I had a look at yours, just a short look, and I noticed some aspects like:

- Your ASC widely conjunct my IC
- your IC conjunct my Sun / Mercury
- your Neptune conjunct my Sun / Mercury
- A Sun-Venus-dw: your Sun trine my Venus; my Sun trines your Venus
- your Valentine exactly trine my NN and Neptune, exactly sextile my Pluto
- a loose ASC-Valentine-dw: your Valentine trine my ASC (3,5), your ASC sextile my Valentine (2)
- another dw on Sun-Isis: your Sun trine my Isis; your Isis widely opposite my Sun (2,5)
- another wide dw on Jupiter-Amor: your Jupiter exactly conjunct my Amor; your Amor widely conjunct my Jupiter (4)
- your Amor conjunct my Juno

I gathered the information; the interpretation is up to you now.

Actually, that was a perfect example for my SN in Gemini and your SN in Sagittarius.
My SN in Gemini gathered the information, the data, and your SN in Sagittarius is used to see the "whole". lol

Jane,

I had a look at our synastry, too.

What do you say to these aspects?

my Mars trine your Ceres
your Mars opposite my Ceres

my Mars trine your Osiris
your Mars trine my Osiris
- we are attracted to the same "type"?

my SN conjunct your Isis

my Psyche conjunct your Psyche

DD

posted September 26, 2007 03:48 PM              

yOU Know im no expert on interpreting but..here it goes:

AC-IC: you would feel very confortable with my way of being and acting in the world;

IC- Sun/Merc: i would feel very much at ease with your way of thinking and your true self.

Here it is: i also would idealise you,as i do with everyone else hihihi
Sun-Venus DW- hmm the truth is here: we must like each other a lot !!
Valentine-AC-NN : again here it is: though me,you will experience what is true love -OMG - what would Jonnhy say if he believed in astrology...
Overall, herés the confirmation of why do we get so good along with each other!

posted September 26, 2007 04:18 PM              

I agree with Diandra, your man would be very lucky, having so many wonderful Sagittarius women around him.
Or he would go crazy with us babbling and talking and never being silent. lol

Diandra,

"AC-IC: you would feel very confortable with my way of being and acting in the world;"
I actually made a mistake, it is my MC that is near to your ASC. So maybe you signify to me something how I would like to be.

"Sun-Venus DW- hmm the truth is here: we must like each other a lot !!§"
Its not our fault. Blame the stars!
lol
But yes, we must and we do, don`t we?

"Valentine-AC-NN : again here it is: though me,you will experience what is true love -"
Do you remember that I once told you to me JOhnny and you are a bright burning example of how true love can be, that the idea of soulmates is real?
So, yes, in a way I do experience true love through you. Just maybe different than this aspect usually is interpreted.

posted September 26, 2007 04:23 PM              

What a wonderful metaphore

The Universe is simply incredible!
It´s true - we do like each other a lot hihih

We all were drawned to LL to find some true good friends and experience with one anothers our stories and our lifes