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posted October 17, 2007 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    Q= In this excerpt, the authors list several attributes they feel best describe those children:

• They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it).
• They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
• Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
• They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
• They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
• They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought.
• They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
• They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
• They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
• They are not shy in letting you know what they need. end Q

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http://www.planetwaves.net/contents/astrology_indigo_children.html

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posted January 26, 2008 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

seem like a bunch of spoiled brats!

My gf was born in 1983,and she's nothing like that.


You can't just generalize a whole generation of people.

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posted January 26, 2008 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think its 1983 and up some of that could be me but not all of it

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This stuff is SO general. I know non-Indigo children who fit those descriptions to a tee.

Interesting anyhow...

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No offense, but I don't believe in Indigo Children. It seems like a BS way to sterotype people. The type of child described is more likely a result of bad or absent parenting, rather than planetary configurations, IMO.

I mean, all or even most people born with pluto in libra or virgo, etc. aren't going to act the same way. Outer planets aren't that influential on our personalities because they stay in a sign in so long and don't make many aspects. At least that's my take on it.

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posted January 27, 2008 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChameleonRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know enough people who fit most, if not all those descpritions who were born after 1983.

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Hey, LadyNeptune—I'm with you. I think a lot of the Indigo Children stuff is the New Age equivalent of an urban legend (and I say that as a passionate New Ager and someone who used to think the Indigo Children were a "real" phenomenon). I hate (hate, hate, hate) the idea that the existence of the Indigos has astrological validation. I have yet to see any.

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posted January 27, 2008 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some other threads and links about Indigos:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001942.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000214.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/005388.html

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Personally, I do not subscribe in the label Indigo nor Crystal children. Heightened awareness yes, but nothing out of the league.


More than anything, this is just a fad, a creation from the lack of spirituality in the consumerism-oriented world, with the inherent need of humans for something out of the league, and to have an excuse why they cannot do (or are doing) certain things.

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posted January 27, 2008 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Q= You can't just generalize a whole generation of people.
    No, but we do.
Thanks for bumping this. I posted last Oct to stimulate discussion.
    And as Chameleon said some of it fits.
  • They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
To my mind that means questioning authority. Which is a good thing.
  • They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought. This is also beneficial to society in general.
p.s. I disagree that the article paints a *spoiled* or disagreeable outline of the periods energy. I think that we as a society need it. The so called Indigo Energy- I think they will carry the torch lit by the Aquarius Stellium births of the early 60's

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posted January 27, 2008 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A lot of people are like that.

Ever heard of the Edison Gene?
DRD4 7R Gene is dated back 10,000 to 40,000 years ago. Scientists find that half of people with ADHD have DRD4 7R gene.

ADHD tends to run in families too. Heck..I think that I come from a family of ADHDers on my mother's side.

DRD4 has been associated with ADHD in various studies. A variation of
it,DRD4 7R is found to be closely linked to ADHD and a behavior called
novelty seeking. The human gene study suggests that behavior now
considered inappropriate in a classroom may be related to behavior
that once helped humans overcome their environment. Approximately half
of children with ADHD have the 7R allele. It's suggested to occur
spontaneously from 10,000 to 40,000 years ago. The discovery
confirmed Thom Hartmann's theory of ADHD as being a hunter trait. He
wrote about in his book,THE EDISON GENE. It was his books that got me
to believe that ADHD is not a disorder that needs medication,but an
alternative way of being,thinking and learning. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/01/020109074512.htm http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/3rdQtr_2002/record0008.html http://www.popsci.com/popsci/medicine/d65fc4522fa84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html http://www.ucihealth.com/News/Releases/ADHD-advantageousGene.htm


BTW...I got a lot of discipline and got spankings...so my ADHD was more inattentive type and not hyperactive type. I was diagnosed inattentive type ADHD at age of 32 years old in 2004.

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posted January 27, 2008 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re: medicating alternative ways of learning/thinking. Totally agree w/ that. Why must the pharmas tell us to medicate everything? I added a p.s. to my post above btw ^-^

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posted January 27, 2008 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Excerpt from the introduction to "The Edison Gene".


ADHD: Gifted & Creative

I was in India in 1993 to help manage a community for orphans and blind children on behalf of a German charity. During the monsoon season, the week of the big Hyderabad earthquake, I took an all-day train ride almost all the way across the subcontinent (from Bombay through Hyderabad to Rajamundri) to visit an obscure town near the Bay of Bengal. In the train compartment with me were several Indian businessmen and a physician, and we had plenty of time to talk as the countryside flew by from sunrise to sunset.

Curious about how they viewed our children diagnosed as having Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), I asked, "Are you familiar with those types of people who seem to crave stimulation, yet have a hard time staying with any one focus for a period of time? They may hop from career to career and sometimes even from relationship to relationship, never seeming to settle into one job or into a life with one person — but the whole time they remain incredibly creative and inventive."

"Ah, we know this type well," one of the men said, the other three nodding in agreement.

"What do you call this personality type?" I asked.

"Very holy," he said. "These are old souls, near the end of their karmic cycle."

Again, the other three nodded agreement, perhaps a bit more vigorously in response to my startled look.

"Old souls?" I questioned, thinking that a very odd description for those whom American psychiatrists have diagnosed as having a particular disorder.

"Yes," the physician said. "In our religion, we believe that the purpose of reincarnation is to eventually free oneself from worldly entanglement and desire. In each lifetime we experience certain lessons, until finally we are free of this earth and can merge into the oneness of God. When a soul is very close to the end of those thousands of incarnations, he must take a few lifetimes to do many, many things — to clean up the little threads left over from his previous lives."

"This is a man very close to becoming enlightened," a businessman added. "We have great respect for such individuals, although their lives may be difficult."

Another businessman raised a finger and interjected. "But it is through the difficulties of such lives that the soul is purified."

The others nodded agreement.

"In America they consider this behavior indicative of a psychiatric disorder," I said.

All three looked startled, then laughed.

"In America you consider our most holy men, our yogis and swamis, to be crazy people as well," said the physician with a touch of sadness in his voice. "So it is with different cultures. We live in different worlds."

We in our Western world have such "holy" and nearly enlightened people among us and we say they must be mad. But as we're about to see, they may instead be our most creative individuals, our most extraordinary thinkers, our most brilliant inventors and pioneers. The children among us whom our teachers and psychiatrists say are "disordered" may, in fact, carry a set of abilities — a skill set — that was necessary for the survival of humanity in the past, that has created much of what we treasure in our present "quality of life," and that will be critical to the survival of the human race in the future.

There is immense power in how we choose to view what's happening around us, and this is terrifically important when we consider how we can best know our children and provide them with the upbringing they need — an upbringing that will lead them to become healthy, happy, functioning adults. The premise of this book is that children who have what we have come to know as ADHD are important and vital gifts to our society and culture, and, in the largest sense, can be an extraordinary gift to the world. In addition, for those adults who have been similarly diagnosed or defined, this book offers a new way of understanding themselves and their relationship to the world — a way that brings insight, empowerment, and success.
GENETICS AND DIFFERENCES

The long history of the human race has conferred on us — some of us more than others — a set of predilections, temperaments, and abilities carried through the medium of our genetic makeup. These skills were ideally suited to life in the ever-changing world of our ancient ancestors and, we have now discovered, are also ideally suited to the quickly-changing modern world of cyberspace and widespread ecological and political crises that require rapid response. I will call this genetic gift the Edison gene, after Thomas Edison, who brought us electric lights and phonographs and movies and — literally ten thousand other inventions. He is the model for the sort of impact a well-nurtured child carrying this gene can have on the world.

While I'm principally referring to the DRD4 gene, the science of genetics is embryonic, with new discoveries being made every day. No doubt, some time soon we'll have a better, more complete list of specific genes that make up what Dave deBronkart first called the "Edison trait" back in 1992 and Lucy Jo Palladino expanded on considerably in 1997 in her wonderful book The Edison Trait. For the moment, however, I'll use the useful shorthand of the "Edison gene."

When Edison's schoolteacher threw him out of school in the third grade for being inattentive, fidgety, and "slow," his mother, Nancy Edison, the well-educated daughter of a Presbyterian minister, was deeply offended by the schoolmaster's characterization of her son. As a result, she pulled him out of the school. She became his teacher from then until the day he went off on his own to work for the railroads (inventing, in his first months of employment, a railroad timing and signaling device that was used for nearly a century). She believed in him and wasn't going to let the school thrash out of him his own belief in himself. As a result of that one mother's efforts, the world is a very different place.

"Ah, but we mustn't coddle these children!" some say. Consider this: Edison invented, at age sixteen, that device that revolutionized telegraph communication. It started him on a lifelong career of invention that led to the light bulb, the microphone, the motion picture, and the electrification of our cities. Would the world have been better off if he'd been disciplined into "behaving himself"?

The children and adults who carry this gene have and offer multiple gifts, both individually and as members of our society. Sometimes these gifts are unrecognized, misinterpreted, or even punished, and as a result, these exceptional children end up vilified, drugged, or shunted into Special Education. The result is that they often become reactive: sullen, angry, defiant, oppositional, and, in extreme cases, suicidal. Some Edison-gene adults face the same issues, carrying the wounds of school with them into adulthood, often finding themselves in jobs better adapted to stability than creativity.

What exactly defines those bearing this genetic makeup? Edison-gene children and adults are by nature:

* Enthusiastic
* Creative
* Disorganized
* Non-linear in their thinking (they leap to new conclusions or observations)
* Innovative
* Easily distracted (or, to put it differently, easily attracted to new stimuli)
* Capable of extraordinary hyperfocus
* Understanding of what it means to be an "outsider"
* Determined
* Eccentric
* Easily bored
* Impulsive
* Entrepreneurial
* Energetic

All of these qualities lead them to be natural:

* Explorers
* Inventors
* Discoverers
* Leaders

Those carrying this gene, however, often find themselves in environments where they're coerced, threatened, or shoehorned into a classroom or job that doesn't fit. When Edison-gene children aren't recognized for their gifts but instead are told that they're disordered, broken, or failures, a great emotional and spiritual wounding occurs. This wounding can bring about all sorts of problems for children, for the adults they grow into, and for our society.

I and many scientists, educators, physicians, and therapists believe that when these unique children don't succeed in public schools, it's often because of a disconnect between them — their brains are wired to make them brilliant inventors and entrepreneurs — and our schools, which are set up for children whose brains are wired to make them good workers in the structured environments of a factory or office cubicle.

Those children whom we call "normal" are more methodical, careful, and detail-oriented and are less likely to take risks. They often find it hard to keep it together and perform in the rapid-fire world of the Edison-gene child: They don't do as well with video games, couldn't handle working in an emergency room or on an ambulance crew, and seldom find themselves among the ranks of entrepreneurs, explorers, and salespeople.

Similarly, Edison-gene children have their own strengths and limitations: They don't do well in the school environment of repetition, auditory learning, and rote memorization that has been set up for "normal" kids, and they don't make very good bookkeepers or managers. Genetically these kids are pioneers, explorers, and adventurers. They make great innovators, and they find high levels of success in any field where there's a lot of change, constant challenge, and lots of activity. Such personalities are common among emergency room physicians, surgeons, fighter pilots, and salespeople.

There are many areas in which such people can excel — especially when they make it through childhood with their belief in themselves intact.
http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=374&Itemid=85


I have his book. I find it very informative,insightful.

He even wrote that people with Edison gene are often interested in alternative religious,spirituality. So it makes me wonder how many of us have the Edison gene. Not all Edison genes are ADHDers,and if the traits cause problems or not is what separates it from being a disorder. Some people are just unlucky to not fit in the norm and end up labeled. Some people get misdiagnosed too.
Heck. I went for an ADHD assessment because I felt that I fit that more than Bipolar which I was misdiagnosed as having. Many ADHD adults get misdiagnosed Bipolar. Now its said that many Bipolar children are misdiagnosed ADHD. The symptoms,traits overlap like distractibility,hyperactivity,and being highly emotional.

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posted January 27, 2008 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhhh yes! Now I think you see my original intent. We need this energy, That post will take time Glaucus...TY! Need to digest...*edit and I would hazzard a strong guess that most peeps didn't read the article.

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Thank you Glaucus, that is so much of interesting information! Thanks for sharing, and yes it makes sense too.

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posted January 27, 2008 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can tell you a true story. There was a child who was full of life.
He was so excited to go to preschool that he run off trying to get
there himself. He was attracted to girls at an early age and was a
flirt that he even got his face scratched by a girl in preschool
because he was coming on to her. He enjoyed singing with other
classmates in classroom. He was so talkative to the nuns in preschool
even though the nuns couldn't understand a thing that he was saying
because his speech was so unintelligible,they thought it was a foreign
language. One time, he was told to get his swimming trunks,and he came
back with his toy soldiers because he didn't understand language. In
kindergarten,he enjoyed singing the ABC song. He enjoyed watching
Wheel of Fortune and played with his 3Dimensional letter blocks even
though he didn't know how to make words out of them. He enjoyed
playing with other children in classroom. He loved to do show and tell.
He had no problem with the children in his classroom,and even made
friends with some of them. The girls were fond of him too,and even
treated him like their little brother he was one of the youngest in
the classroom. When he was asked what his last name was,he didn't know
it and responded "Rabbit" because he was fascinated with Rabbits
because they started with R which was the beginning letter of his
first name. One of his classmates spoke up for him and told what his
last name was. He also pursued and flirted with a female classmate in
kindergarten. This little boy was weird,but he wasn't stupid. He
learned to swim at the age of 3 years old,and it took only a week for
him to learn how to swim. He was able to go walk home from
kindergarten school by himself.

The next year,he was placed in a special education class with the
mentally retarded. He became a very shy,anxious,nervous kid who got
stressed out easily,and even acted out. He was called "retard" by
regular children even though he was found out to have above average
intelligence. He grew up feeling inferior to the point that he stayed
shy,anxious,nervous in mainstream classrooms from 3rd grade to end of
high school without never been on a date because he had problems with
social skills due to shyness in contrast when he was a flirt in
preschool. He was also very clumsy,uncoordinated,and so he couldn't play sports like other boys. He was a very fast runner,very quick though. He could get wide open for a pass,but he would end up dropping it because his eye-hand coordination was poor. He ran track briefly in high school,but had to quit because his grades were bad. He was usually one of the last people to be be picked to be on a team. He was not a good team player because he had problems following directions due to short term memory and sequence problems. He was very accident prone. He didn't date until he was 22 years old. He got labeled
all kinds of things throughout the years even misdiagnosed as having
psychiatric disorders.

To make the long story short, he learned about
Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD,and he realized he wasn't stupid nor had the
psychiatric disorders he was diagnosed as having and that realization
changed his life and found that his life purpose was to be an
advocate/activist and help his fellow neurodivergents. He found a
girlfriend who loves him in spite of his Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. She
has a Dyslexic sister. That love of his life has given him inspiration
and got him to let go of the resentment of the past,but use those
experiences to help others. He even managed to get all 3 of his
neurodivergent conditions confirmed by professionals and documented so
he could protect himself from being misdiagnosed again as well as use
that documentation to his advantage as an advocate/activist who has
those conditions. He found his niche in Astrology,massage therapy
which reminds him that he's no dummy.

That story was about me.


The experiences can make the difference in whether or not a child with Edison Gene traits make it through childhood with their belief in themselves intact.


That's my neurodivergent perspective.


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One thing, Raymond, is the self-realization and conviction that you have had.

I for one, can relate a lot with your story as well - though I was not labelled with anything of these sort (except that I am a rebel and arrogant), I was a person who had to live for other's expectations, thereby failing miserably in life - just because I just could not do things that were not appealing to me. Long story short, I had to clear up 33 years of my life's existence, sort of re-boot my life, and now, at 35 and looking back, I dont regret. I still have a long way to go to reach where I want to, but I am on my way. So, the lessons learned helps us see the goal in sight.

Good luck with everything brother! And don't ever forget - YOU are what matters the most!

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posted January 27, 2008 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raymond: The feeling that you are consistently/constantly in forward movement comes to mind with your posts. I enjoyed you when you were on LL before, and was sorry when you left. Has it been a year? something like that.
    Anyway Ty for taking the time, and sharing like you do.
I can relate to much of what you post. And will pass along something I only learned for myself recently and that is... to stay out of my own way. Over thinking, over analyzing till all I reach is stasis! This year I am going to try and become more of an action figure. laughs.
    Thanks again~N-

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posted January 27, 2008 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here are some books in relating to Divergent thinkers.
They are very practical, and it doesn't have a New Age emphasis. They don't see these characteristics as a disorder.

The Edison Gene: ADHD and the Gift of the Hunter Child (Hardcover) http://www.amazon.com/Edison-Gene-ADHD-Hunter-Child/dp/0892811285
(I have this book)

The Edison Trait: Saving the Spirit of Your Free-Thinking Child in a Conforming World (Hardcover) http://www.amazon.com/Edison-Trait-Saving-Free-Thinking-Conforming/dp/0812927370/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201460898&sr=1-2

Dreamers, Discoverers & Dynamos: How to Help the Child Who Is Bright, Bored and Having Problems in School (Formerly Titled 'The Edison Trait') (Paperback) http://www.amazon.com/Dreamers-Discoverers-Dynamos-Problems-Formerly/dp/0345405730/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201460898&sr=1-1

Right-Brained Children in a Left-Brained World: Unlocking the Potential of Your Add Child http://www.amazon.com/Right-Brained-Children-Left-Brained-World-Unlocking/dp/0684847930/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t
(I read this book)

Upside-Down Brilliance: The Visual Spatial Learner (Paperback) http://www.amazon.com/Upside-Down-Brilliance-Visual-Spatial-Learner/dp/193218600X/ref=pd_sim_b_title_6
(I have this book)

In the Mind's Eye: Visual Thinkers, Gifted People With Dyslexia and Other Learning Difficulties, Computer Images and the Ironies of Creativity (Hardcover) http://www.amazon.com/Minds-Eye-Thinkers-Difficulties-Creativity/dp/1573921556/ref=pd_sim_b_title_4
(I have this book)

The Gift of Dyslexia (Paperback) http://www.amazon.com/Gift-Dyslexia-Ronald-D-Davis/dp/039952293X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201463453&sr=1-1
(I have this book)

The Gift of Learning (Paperback) http://www.amazon.com/Gift-Learning-Ronald-D-Davis/dp/0399528091/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201463453&sr=1-2
(I have this book)

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