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Happy Dragon
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posted October 28, 2007 09:54 AM
 
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***That OSS/CIA profile was created and published in 1945.
In the 62 years since then, a lot of material and information has surfaced.***cheers .. i was wondering about that as i was reading thru that site ..
it was the first link google displayed for 'the psychology of .. '
i only realised halfway thru as to when it was written .. a few days back i'd been reading thru 'mein kampf' ..
i.e. trying to get an idea as to his state of mind ..
i think he's a pretty good example of the taurean shadow gone off the rails .. as far as i know .. todays psychologists consider him to have been psychopathic
although that doesn't seem to fit too well given his hysterical nature ..
do you per chance have a link to an updated psychological profile of him ?? IP: Logged |
Xena
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posted October 28, 2007 10:17 AM
lqhunk, Stalin was a Sadge, NOT a Cap... IP: Logged |
Iqhunk
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posted October 28, 2007 12:50 PM
Found a nice discussion:
http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:YjDn4LrczrEJ:astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp%3FChartID%3D9257%26PgNum%3D2+%22Joseph+Stalin%22+astrotheme&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=in
BTW When did Stalin become a Sag?
My data shows Cap Sun and Cap Rising.
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BornUnderDioscuri
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posted October 28, 2007 01:17 PM
Sorry didnt have time to read the other stuff i will soon but a quick statement.Stalin is a Sagittarius. I think he has Cappie placements but hes a Saggi. ------------------
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AcousticGod
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posted October 28, 2007 02:07 PM
Kepler's data suggests this about Stalin:Sun in Sag in the 9th house 26°22 (MC at 26°31, Saturn at 26°27 Pisces)
Moon in Libra in the 7th 12°47
Mercury in Capricorn in the 10th 11°47
Venus in Sag in the 10th 29°24
Mars in Scorpio in the 8th 25°51
Jupiter in Aqua in the 11th 7°34
Saturn in Pisces in the 1st 26°27
Uranus in Virgo in the 6th 4°12
Neptune in Taurus in the 2nd 7°16
Pluto in Taurus in the 2nd 24°57
North Node in Aquarius in the 11th 6°02
Ascendant in Pisces 23°14
MC in Sag 26°31 IP: Logged |
Jan_A
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posted October 28, 2007 02:43 PM
I have more conjunctions with Stalin than with my father. 
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Astralmuse
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posted October 28, 2007 04:10 PM
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BTW When did Stalin become a Sag?
At birth!  I'm only teasing. There are far more websites and astrology books with an incorrect birthdate for Stalin than with the correct one. Here's why: 1) In the 1800s, Russia used the Julian calendar while most Western countries used the Gregorian calendar. There was a difference of twelve days between them.
2) Stalin lied about his birthdate, including the year. He changed the year to 1879 so he could throw himself a big ol' national 50th birthday holiday in 1929. The previous year, when he had actually turned 50, he didn't have quite enough control in Russia to do that. A lot of Russian astrologers then published reports using 21 December 1879 as his birthdate. His fabrication of year makes sense, but Stalin promoted the wrong day of 21 December as well. There are a lot of theories on why, but I don't know of anything definite being uncovered. It is argued convincingly by some that he wanted to be identified with Capricorn as it is a sign of leadership, almost like a public relations move. A bit like Katherine Hepburn's movie studio rewriting her bio with a November bday - she was born in May - because they wanted to promote her as having a Scorpio personality (they let her choose the same day as her brother who had really been a Scorp). But until something irrevocable comes to light, it's just a quirky thing Stalin chose for reasons only he knew. I do know that his birth certificate, school records, czarist police records, and all documents from before the revolution have the same birthday of 6 December 1878. Adjusted to the Gregorian calendar, it's 18 December 1878. Date authentication on the Russian gonernment's site: http://state.rin.ru/cgi-bin/persona_e.pl?id=4140&id_subcat=6&r=8 Explanation of calendar differences: http://www.marxist.com/bolshevism/notes.html Interesting Wikipedia list of people who fibbed about their birthdays (including Stalin): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_fabrication#_note-28 A recent detailed, comprehensive biography that addresses his birthdate fabrication is Stalin by Russian historian Edvard Radzinsky, the first person able to use the Russian Secret Archives in researching Stalin. IP: Logged |
Astralmuse
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posted October 28, 2007 05:00 PM
Happy Dragon:
There were two OSS reports on Hitler's psychology. The one you linked to was by Dr. Walter Langer (with input by others), who used that report as material for a best-selling book on Hitler's psychology years later. The other report was by Dr. Henry Murray, who was a contributor to Langer's report, and that report is more thorough, including a detailed prediction that Hitler would either try to be “martyred by a Jew” or “retreat to his bunker and shoot himself.” (Side note: Murray conducted some very cruel experiments on college students, one of whom, Ted Kaczynski, became the Unibomber.) Murray's report was only declassified and made available a few years ago. However, there are some things in Murray's report that have been discredited.In my personal opinion, the very best book on Hitler's psychological profile is Fritz Redlich's Hitler: Diagnosis of a Destructive Prophet from the late 90s. It is the most exhaustively researched with the benefit of modern information, and the theory is most stable. Spoiler: Dr. Redlich states that Hitler was paranoid, secretive, and had issues in general, but based on modern analysis he likely would not be labeled “mentally ill” or “insane.” In Hitler’s time and well afterward, inexplicable or negative behavior of any sort was lumped into the category of “mental illness” without any discernment. It’s still a popular way of thinking, but we should remember that even though Hitler viewed the world as dichotomy of bad/good, right/wrong, his psyche was grey. An in-depth look at the psychology of Hitler (and any other world leader, “good” or “bad”) definitely repudiates broad statements such as the claim made earlier in this thread that “Aries in 29 Sun and Capricorn Moon + Ascendant are certainly the signs of a mentally ill conqueror.” (Incidentally, I do not know of any “mentally ill conquerors” who are Aries Sun 29 degrees with a Capricorn Moon. If anyone can name one, please let me know as I'm always learning.) IP: Logged |
Happy Dragon
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posted October 28, 2007 05:08 PM
~ Astralmuse ~thank you   IP: Logged |
whalewasp78
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posted October 29, 2007 07:44 AM
An interesting thing about Stalin. Whenever he'd give a speech, he had an 'applause' and 'quiet' buttons on his podium. Everyone was so scared they didn't want to be seen as the last one to stand and applaud, or be the first to stop and sit down. If Stalin saw this, the unfortunate person would usually be sent to a ghulag, or worse. IP: Logged |
cancerrg
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posted October 29, 2007 09:35 AM
some time back i made a comment and actually started a thread (it has been my personal research  )
All most all the top functinaries of the hindu fundamentalist party here in are water and earth people . the only exception is an aqua lady !
again , majority of the mumbai underworld (they are the biggest in country )are again water and earth people . seems like a coincidence ! i have a pet theory , water and earth are more into preplanned violence rather than the fire and air 's momentus violence ! (the only exception that i felt could be sags ) may be that also explains majority of the dictators have been water and earth people . Bush,Saddam,Ahmedenajad,Osama -- does that ring a bell? IP: Logged |
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posted October 29, 2007 10:33 AM
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His nature was much more similar to a Taurus', than it would be to Aries in my opinion.
Gee thanks!!!  On a serious note, didn't Linda herself, once say that there was something about Aries and Taurus that doesn't mix well in the personal planets - apparently it can indicate cruelty - especially if badly aspected?! And Libra Ascendants are very ambitious folk really! IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
I meant that he seems Taurean in that he had a very fixed perspective that he had the right answer for his country, and he stuck with that idea without flexibility. He held on to his ideas religiously, and tried to move everyone to accepting that his world view was correct.Aries have views on the way things should be as well, but there's more flexibility typically than you'd find in a fixed sign. Cardinal signs are more easily distracted than fixed signs. Cardinals initiate things and do them for as long as it makes sense to the Cardinal's life, but once the reward holds less value than the action, they let go and move onto the next big idea. IP: Logged |
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posted October 29, 2007 12:20 PM
Oh no - I wholeheartedly agree! A Taurus he definitely was!!!Hitler could not have been any other sign of the 12 - for what other sign will stay at it until the bitter end like a Taurus will? Many famous dictators were strongly Taurean - in fact it is a trait I can minorly see in all the Bulls I know, including my self.  It perhaps sometimes comes down to the Bull's legendary laziness as it goes - it's much easier to demand, to force and to bully than it is to negotiate and perhaps have to compromise. Scary, really. But the Bull's stubbornness is legendary, and once they've picked a road, they aint shifting - all those around them just better hope they picked the high road.....  In Hitler's case, it was his Arien influence that came up with his ideals and wished to spread the word but it was Taurean nature that carried it through for sure. He was a bit like a Captain and a Lieutenant rolled into one person - a powerhouse, albeit an evil one. Can you imagine the brilliance of both signs combined when the intentions are good?! Something to behold, I'm sure.....  IP: Logged |
Sarai
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posted October 30, 2007 06:50 AM
Wow, that was one of the most interesting things I've ever read. Good stuff.IP: Logged |
BornUnderDioscuri
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posted October 31, 2007 12:38 AM
Astralmuse - sorry for the late reply. But thank you for the clarification Thats pretty fascinating though. Ghandi and Hitler. Does anyone know what was Ghandi's moon? I know hes a Libra. But Libra what?Actually im keeping track of this hopefully for a future psychology project but ironically most serial killers/murderers etc do not have strong Scorpio placements. In fact the placements that ruled at the top was Sagittarius and Capricorn. Im not sure about Cult leaders, i feel those would be Scorpios/Ariens or something like that with just a hint of Pisces/Aqua. quote:
The scariest thing to me about “bad” people is that they aren’t 100% pure dag-nasty evil.
I totally agree with you. I long gave up on my self righteous quest to find the ultimate goodness/evil they just do not exist. The world is in shades of grey and its soooo hard to distunguish sometimes. Geminilover - "I read somewhere that Hitler used rune symbols - like sowelu - to bring extra power to what he was doing. Also the Nazis borrowed the swastika from its original Hindu usage" Its very possible a few of the members of his party were strongly into Hinduism (however misguided they were). IP: Logged |
cancerrg
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posted October 31, 2007 01:45 AM
reminding of Gandhi (its GANDHI , NOT GHANDHI) , I recently saw a movie - Gandhi my father - this is film about the relation between the great man and his eldest son -Harilal Gandhi ( who was gem- cancer cusp) . brilliant movie !
you get to feel how hard it is to be a not very great son to the great fathers . living in their shadows . Gandhi was a great man but may be not a great father ! IP: Logged |
cancerrg
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posted October 31, 2007 01:50 AM
::Its very possible a few of the members of his party were strongly into Hinduism (however misguided they were).
::very true !
Tolerance is the basic tenet of Hinduism . but ysterday only , i was reading about the preparators of the Gujrat carnage .The Hindu Nazis .
they didn't even spare pregnent woman . IP: Logged |
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