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stillatlarge
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posted November 09, 2007 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just like Cancer, Leo...I really think these stereotypes need to be rethought. I have the most deceitful, bitter, vindictive Sag instructor who is extremely pessimistic, prejudiced and conniving about trying to fail people he doesn't like based on appearance, gender, etc. He told the class we need to kill all the fat people. He is very hostile to women. They may not be hypocrites but he admits he lies like a rug. I really don't know how to cope with this guy. I had a Sag brother in law who was the same way.

My Aries room-mate is the most narcissistic, shamelessly manipulative creature I've ever met in my life. Constant poor me, poor me, pity me...extremely demanding and emotional to the point of mental illness. Nobody else has any needs or problems and if they do they to be sublimated to hers. There is no reasoning with her. Ask her to take out the trash and she screams, slams doors, cusses and when that fail she turns on the most obviously fake tears for anybody who will give her the time of day.

I'm a Leo and these people get on my last nerve. It's confrontation all the time. I just had to vent.

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CoralFrequency
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posted November 09, 2007 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew a girl who lied about everything in her life - she was a fire sign - not what you normally hear.

I've also known water signs who were not nearly as sensitive to others' feelings or emotional as they are traditionally meant to be.

I completely agree - stereotypical interpretations don't work very well. They don't take into account the rest of the chart + the person's life experience/upbringing etc..

Also, the way we perceive people is at times, completely subjective - based on our own personalities - birth chart/experiences..

For instance, I might believe an individual is completely dishonest, because they have often lied to me. But maybe this person doesn't trust me. And maybe, they are very honest to other people in their lives who they do trust. It's a two way street.. some people can't coexist. One person's rubbish is another's treasure and vice versa..

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posted November 09, 2007 09:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venting is great for relieving stress. How about taking a vacation too? Some R&R can help you decide on what you'd like to do next. May be quit working with the instructor and move out from your nutty roommate? May be play some naughty tricks on them so they tow the row?

Once I got fed up with a Sag roommate and ended up not telling her I was moving out until the night before the movers came. LOL!

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posted November 10, 2007 06:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stillatlarge, maybe your Aries roommate is a bit, er, *young* and hasn't sorted herself out yet. Maybe she has a lot of Cancer or Pisces in her chart. :/ In the end I think it'll come down to boundaries and rational discussion. Such as saying gently, "Well, you know, you might as well take our the trash. I mean, it's not such a big deal". Perhaps she has family problems and doesn't feel supported? That could be an issue.

As for Sags, well, my Sag mother is an ongoing problem, but I keep my distance from her as I can't stand her narcissism, pitting people against each other, feeling that the whole world owes her something (without her having to give anything back) and reference to other people as "sub-human" - yes, there can be this kind of detachment present in Sags. Personally, I find the best method of dealing with her is to let her know that I am above any of her pettiness and voice my opinion and give as good as I get. Obviously you can't do the same with your instructor, and it's a shame you have got such an idiot instructing you, but view the course as a means to an end and as something that will ultimately benefit you and your career. It's not gonna last forever.

Love,

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stillatlarge
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posted November 10, 2007 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ha ha, such wise insight and advice-NOT!!! LOL. I think these two are just extreme anomolies and that's an understatement. She is 27 yr.old with certifiable emotional/mental problems, IMO. To say she "cries" and engages in histrionics doesn't even cover it. I think in a nutshell she has been so spoiled by her parents that she can't function and the only way she knows to cope is all the hysterics and guilt. She is the baby and the parents are older and I've never seen this kind of coddling. It's not good for her. It's crippling. We had to go to the directors for a counselling session and I could tell they were just stunned. They said the same thing, why are you making such a big deal about something as trivial as taking out the trash once a week? This had already gone on for 3 weeks. Then she starts threatening them that they "don't want her dad to come up here". It was both pitiful and hilarious. So now, I just don't talk to her and we communicate with notes.

As far as the instructor, I am going to the Dean Monday and tell him what's going on. I'm really worried about this class and the effect on my GPA. I had a female room-mate once who was Sag and she was the best, but most of the males except one I've known are just like you described about your mother.
I wish I could get some R&R but it's going to be crazy for at least the next mo. Hopefully I can relax over the winter break.

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hippichick
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posted November 10, 2007 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liz Greene speaks of "The Shadow" side of the suns.

For example, the Pisces sun, while usually giving, loving, feeling etc, can flip and be a dictator, and lord over those around him/her.

The shadow of the Taurus is religious dogma and strict adhearnce to the principals of one's chosen religions despite actual "living" of the beliefs. I have seen this phenomena in many of my Bull friends.

Interesting topic!!!

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sVirgo
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posted November 10, 2007 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the same experience with Sagi's. My two bosses are Sagi and they are so partial, they can only do things for me or give me proper work, if I show them that I am the most helpless creature on this earth. Then offcourse, they will pity as I think Sagi's love to show themselves as a God figure.

I am sorry, this is just my experience and opinion.

Thankyou!

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stillatlarge
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posted November 10, 2007 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, maybe what I need to do is flatter him sort of? Act like he's so smart and so superior... I think it's a little late for that unfortunately, and you know, being a Leo, it's very hard to fake it when you CAN'T STAND somebody and he KNOWS how I feel after I spoke to the dept. head. And I can't help it, I want to call him Ti Ma so bad (little man) because that's HIS only obvious physical flaw. LOL. BUT I'm definitely going to remember the flattery and femm fatale thing for future reference. I just have to try to hold my tongue for now and keep a passive expression to get through this.

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sVirgo
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posted November 10, 2007 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is never late for Sagi. You can start flattering now also. Always meet him with smile, always show him that he is the smartest person, he is in demand, you can always ask questions about his brilliance, they love to give lecture.

I am Virgo, I hate this thing, but what can I do. Now I behave just a quiet person and he calls me stubborn because I am not responding to any of his attitude.

Again, I am sorry, this is my experience and opinion.

Thank you!

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posted November 10, 2007 03:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
why in the world would you wanna flatter him?

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CoralFrequency
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posted November 10, 2007 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol aqua.. that's exactly what I was thinking.

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CoralFrequency
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posted November 10, 2007 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stillatlarge, what's the rest of his chart like?

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stillatlarge
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posted November 10, 2007 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know. All I know is that he's a Sag, he SAYS. He acted like he didn't know the name, he said "the one with bow and arrow". Who knows...he could be lying about that.

Why would I want to "flatter him"? I would call it humoring him or turning the tables. Because I need the grade and I don't want to repeat the same class. It's more important right now than putting the petty tyrant in his place. There will be time for that later during evaluations. I've spent a whole semester on this class and I don't want to waste it.

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librarising
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posted November 10, 2007 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for librarising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there are liars from every age. Dishonesty is just sometimes a part of someone's personality.. Sadly, some people are unaware of their flaws..

I just got rid of a highly Scorpio-Aries chart influenced man. He was like your roommate a little cry baby. Always looking for someone to boost his already inflated ego. He demanded everyone to do everything for him (he is a business owner) even if it had nothing to do with business... He even went has far as trying to boss me around to clean his house, cook him food, clean his dishes, and go out of my way to get him coffee but he flipped out when I asked him to check something online for me. I told him to screw the other day. It was a short lived romance.
If I were you I would just get rid of her and tell the sag to screw. People are not worth the effort.. or so I believe and I am very happy and content with my life.

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CoralFrequency
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posted November 10, 2007 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm suspicious now I say, he's lying! lol

Funnily I thought he might not be a Sag as soon as I read that.
Whereas with the girl - I think her behavior isn't all that uncommon for Aries.

- Deceitful, bitter, vindictive, pessimistic, prejudiced - and hostility to women -
That sounds too much like the dark side of Scorpio. Maybe he is on the cusp and *thinks* he is a Sag.

PS. Also, Sags are usually to laid back to be dictatorial.. They aren't very fussed about other people.

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librarising
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posted November 10, 2007 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for librarising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are right Coral, he could be lying.. Could be a Scorpio who doesn't want anyone to know their birthday.. They have those tendencies. Creep.

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stillatlarge
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posted November 11, 2007 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the reason I tend to believe he is Sag is the similarity to my ex brother in law. The WORLD loved him. He was a Tennis Pro/instructor. He was just like you described for the Sag, but privately with myself and his kids he was just like this guy. A lot of jealousy (you haven't paid your dues) kind of thing. He was very lecherous like the instructor and distant and aloof from his kids. He was always reading pop psychology books and trying to analyze everybody and you'd have to sit through these droning lectures where he never made a point. I used to think it was over my head. I finally figured out he wasn't making any sense. lol.

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aqua inferno
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posted November 11, 2007 04:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Because I need the grade and I don't want to repeat the same class.

I see!! You must have a small class if that's required! My smallest class was like 100 people

Might I add, this guy seems incompetent and doesn't deserve his position. I imagine he has mental issues.

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stillatlarge
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posted November 19, 2007 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He MUST be nuts. I googled that douchebag and he's taught at 8 schools in the last 4 years!!!!!! Multiple charges of hitting on students and doing the same things he did to me and in my class. I told everybody the first day there was something wrong with the guy. Cancerian intuition. They didn't listen. I've emailed two of the dept. honcho's and I'm going to print it out and put it on the Dean's desk.

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posted November 19, 2007 09:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know what you mean.

I'm the only Aries that doesn't **** me off.

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BlueTopaz124
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posted November 19, 2007 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a Sag, and it irritates me when someone pours on the compliments or flatters me when they normally don't do it... My Merc in Scorp bs detector automatically sees right through it and my frostie freeze flips on.

Maybe try another approach.

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