posted December 08, 2007 08:48 AM            

From Kathy Cooper:

posted December 08, 2007 08:56 AM            

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What if this occures trining my Chiron in 4th house, Aries?
This also occurs [list]. . . What is going to happen?

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Did you ever read this excellent excerpt about Astrological Predictions from Steven Forrest??
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012497.html

The important points:

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No astrologer can say what any one of us will do next. He or she might say how the stage is set, what the issue of the day might be – and what will happen if we try to slither away from facing it. The astrologer might also tell us what we can learn if we respond creatively to that issue and what new possibilities each path might open – all that, but what we will actually do? Never.

Questions, not answers: These are the heart of any accurate approach to predictive astrology. We must honor human freedom and weave it into our understanding of the astrological symbols. We must do that not for pretty, soothing philosophical reasons, but because the human will is a mighty force, a power capable of shaping its own future. In short every accurate astrological prediction must end with a question mark. It is we, not the planets, who are writing the script. And with that freedom comes uncertainty.

Life is a vast, ironic, mysterious whole, and most attempts to break it down into its components are intriguing intellectual exercises at best and vain self-deception at worst. Any such analytical systems, whether we call them religions or sciences, can be judged only by their practical usefulness and never by their ultimate truthfulneses. That final, all-pervasive Truth can be witnessed perhaps, but never precisely described. No words or ideas could ever be powerful enough. At least that is the way it looks to me.

One such arbitrary division of experience has proven to be very practical in helping me organize my understanding of predictive astrology. It is the notion that the process of life goes on at three distinct levels. The first and most obvious is the physical level. This comprises all that we do and everything that we might choose to call “reality” – trips to Europe, the endings and beginnings of relationships, meetings with “tall dark strangers.”

The second level is emotional and psychological. Thoughts and feelings are the substance of this dimension – all the inner, subjective reactions we might have to the actual events on level one. We quit a job; that’s a fact, a level-one experience. But how do we feel about it? Scared? Elated? Inspired to new heights? Insecure? That’s level two.

Finally, on level three, we find issues of meaning and purpose. We can refer to this as the spiritual level, though we need not think of ourselves as being particularly “spiritual” to grasp it. One way to come to terms with level three is to imagine that we are reflecting back on personal events of many years ago. What ultimate significance did those events possess? How did they help us to become what we are today? What we’re getting at in level three is a sense of how given events fit into our overall pattern of development. Typically, such reflection inserts into our memory of those events a level of self-awareness that did not exist in us then. “Mommy didn’t hug us much, but she would always feed us candy when we were good.” At the time, we felt happy to be given the candy. Twenty years later, level three awareness might arise, helping us to understand how the Love-Equals-Food equation has contributed to our pattern of compulsive overeating. We seem to stand outside ourselves, grasping the patterns of our lives – and that’s the essence of the third, or spiritual, level.

Astrology is fabulously accurate at predicting what happens on level three. That is its real purpose and its ultimate strength. Above all, astrology is a study of meaning – and meaning exists only in the spiritual dimension. Working on that level, a predictive astrologer can approach 100 percent accuracy, although in practice the symbolism involved is often incredibly subtle and human error takes its toll. What am I supposed to be learning here? What is the broad purpose of this event in the overall plan of my personal development? How will I look back on this moment two or three decades from now? Those are the questions we ask on level three, and if we want to understand our lives from that perspective, we can seek no stronger an ally than a sound knowledge of astrological symbolism.

Moving back to level two, the dimension of emotion, the accuracy of predictive techniques falls off dramatically. It is still significant, but not nearly so precise as the descriptions available on level three. How might a person feel about facing those spiritual issues? There is a lot of room here for human differences. An astrological event, for example, might arise involving the planet Saturn, always a sure sign that the spiritual lesson will touch on the need for practical, self-disciplined responses to concrete reality. One person might react with renewed personal resolve, self-respect, and determination. Another might experience a sense of inadequacy, followed by feelings of defeat and despair. The lesson itself is in the category of “fate,” but the emotional response is something we create ourselves and for which we must take personal responsibility. But what is the nature of the actual event which the passage of Saturn triggers? On level two, such a question is of no concern – here we are only interested in feelings and attitudes, not in what “actually happens.”

Level one, the physical, is the least predictable of the three. What outward action will the individual take in response to a passing astrological configuration? Certainly, some of that is determined by feelings arising on level two, and they themselves are unpredictable. But even if the feelings are understood, there is still enormous uncertainty. To predict which action a person will take in response to a spiritual question is futile. We might be right every now and then, but we will be wrong a great deal of the time. Predicting how someone will feel is a bit safer, but even there we will often be surprised. People are frequently far more resourceful and resilient under pressure than we might expect. It is only in predicting the nature of the spiritual issues people are facing that we can achieve dependable levels of accuracy – and significantly, it is there that we can best help a person to grow in self-knowledge and happiness.

The tragedy of astrology’s history is its obsession with level one, the dimension of action. Even its victories in that department seem pitiful in the light of the opportunities missed. It’s as if Albert Einstein had decided to be a baseball player.

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posted December 08, 2007 03:41 PM              

It's on my DC as well. You'll enter a relationship (7th) with a Sagittarius (Jupiter) with Scorpio (Pluto) in his chart lol

Or.. could it be a Sagittarius AND a Scorpio ? lol

To my best friend the conjunction falls on Nadir

Pluto conjunction Descendant: Cards on the table
Your intimate one-to- one relationships, such as a marriage or other personal relationship, partnership and close encounters with friends and enemies, will be greatly affected by this influence.

In a marriage or other close relationship, pressures will surface that indicate that you and your mate need to consider making significant changes in your relationship. Perhaps you have been reluctant to face the forces at work between you, afraid that discussing them would cause a blow-up. And it probably would, but a blow-up is not always a bad thing in a relationship. Now it will become especially urgent that you both lay your cards on the table and work out all the problems in your relationship that are bothering either of you. Otherwise the pressure may build to the breaking point. This influence can cause a close relationship to break up, if you do not face your problems honestly.

Very often this influence does not affect the relationship itself but brings about an encounter between you and someone who will be very important to you, someone who may literally transform your life. This may be someone in a professional capacity, such as a psychiatrist, who will help you learn what is making it difficult for you to live the way you want to. Or it may be a friend who affects you more strongly than most. Unfortunately it may also signify a struggle with an enemy who is particularly powerful and disrupts your life. However, even in a confrontation with an enemy there is potential for positive change.

Jupiter conjunction Descendant: Mutual growth
During this period you seek to grow in various ways through your closest contacts with other people. You try to create relationships that will further your life, not in a spirit of selfishness, but in a desire for mutual growth. Often at this time a person will come into your life who offers to help you out in some way, usually through a partnership.

In business, for example, this is an extremely good time to enter into a partnership or a contract with someone. In your personal life, you will work more closely than usual with someone, which will work out very well for you both. If other indications are compatible, you may meet someone who will be important to you romantically, but that is not the usual result of this influence.

This is also an excellent time to seek out someone for counseling, especially a lawyer, but also any other kind of counselor. Related to this, incidentally, is that if you have a case in court at this time, it will work out as you want it to.

A marriage or intimate relationship should work better than usual now. You and your partner will be anxious to help each other grow and to further each other’s interests in all possible ways. You do not want to restrict your partner or be restricted by her in any possible way. Because you understand the need for freedom of individual self- expression within your relationship, you will try to find ways to bring that about. If your relationship is not working out very well in general, this influence can have either of two effects. It can either bring a time of healing in the relationship so that it ceases to be such a problem, or it can make your desire for freedom so strong that you break off the relationship altogether. At any rate, the problems themselves will cease. And a relationship that does break up under this influence (this only applies to one that is on the rocks) will do so relatively amicably.

Source: www.astro.com

posted December 08, 2007 04:36 PM            

I know all that. Looking events in my life and astrological predictions everything is possible...learning from past is good thing.
I wanted to ask "What could?" not "What can?".
Emotional life is activated here, some beginnings, healing, but strange stuff. I am trying to "connect" it with extraodinary period in my life that comes in Spring 2008.
Sry

posted December 08, 2007 09:48 PM              

It would be my guess that with your person, they don't know what they want and so they would not be able to connect with you long enough to "see" your heart. But keep giving, you are the type that just needs to give no matter who you think sees or doesn't see.

Now the person who has the 7th house aspect, Lana, I think that would be extremely good to have a chance to move your life into some very positive directions with a bit more stability and a want/need /desire to "settle down". It feels as though it is time.

The 4th house Chiron, Kindjali, trust your feelings, it is time to know that you have had so many events and people try to pull you away from what your feelilngs have wanted to speak and walk as the truth. Chiron is the spiritual warrior, sheild of Truth and path of Love, keep going.

Still at large - It has been a trial-by-fire for you, no doubt. The issue is that you are bringing forward TRUTH, important, and the results will open the door for transition as you move into 2008. The explosion of Jupiter/Pluto brings in the events that will provide us with new directions and the rewards for our choices, directions will move us into our appropriate new environment.

Funny Face - I think that you will be getting into the right career/direction that may allow you to go to school or take up an important study....you have so much to offer, it is time to move it into the outside world.

Gemini-Fizzi - I think you will begin to shine so much more without Pluto opposing you by sign, you will feel that the challenges are off and you have the chance to move into a really good direction for you one that potentially has a great relationship connected to it.

posted December 09, 2007 04:35 AM            

I admit that path is looking confusing at the moment. Hopefully I will get what my heart wants this time. It sounds fatalistic, but If I don't get this "reward" till July 2008, doubt it that I will anymore.

posted December 09, 2007 11:51 AM            

I'm delighted that you've brought your wisdom to LL to share!! We struggle with our issues and try to hammer out answers/solutions with each other in our posts, but the addition of input from an experienced mentor is HUGE for this community.....

posted December 10, 2007 06:10 PM              

Also My sister in law asked me about this, it going to be in her 4th ouse but exactly conjunct her saturn? Any ideas how it will effect either her or me?

posted December 10, 2007 06:16 PM              

It's under a degree away from my venus/mercury midpoint (venus in 8th mercury in 9th)

And...

It's a little bit over a degree away from my moon/mercury midpoint (merc/9th moon/8th)

Anyone have any ideas what this could mean? Tell me, I can take it.

~It's less than a degree away from my SR pluto in the 12th. I don't know how important that is, since it's a SR and it's ending in a month - probably not that important.

posted December 12, 2007 07:00 PM              

And does anyone know how long this lasts? I'm getting conflicting things on this. Some sites say it ends a long 13 year period and some say it starts one.

posted December 12, 2007 07:37 PM              

I guess I just don't understand how this can last 13 years. Pluto will not be in sag much longer and jupiter leaves sag soon. So, it makes no logical sense to me how this can start a 13 year journey. It just doesn't have any logic to it.

And I don't remember anything out of the usual happening in December of 1994. Nothing. I don't feel it started any kind of journey.

posted December 12, 2007 10:40 PM              

Now, that we are moving the focus into Capricorn, the "doorway signs" - those that are square (and opp and conj) will have the opportunity to move into the next level; Aries, Cancer, Libra So this one may impact you a lot more.

But one of the things to realize is that until Uranus was SQUARE Pluto by sign, the intensity was "bearable" ...but 2002/2003 the intensity became like a blazing inferno. But greater challenges create greater galvanized character.

So, there will be a bit of easing once Jupiter and Pluto move into a more harmonious energy to Uranus .....

Look to Jupiter as it rolls out the red carpet... time to dance along the way into a New Year!!!

posted December 13, 2007 02:38 PM              

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Mustang - Since Jupiter takes approx 12 years to go through a sign, spends about one year in each, the Jupiter/Pluto in Sag brought to the current all the issues we have been dealing with since 1994. This continues to pull all of these events forward for resolution and then as Jupiter rolls into Capricorn, Jupiter rolls out a red carpet of sorts, to give us the opportunity to bring our accumulated efforts forward to move into the career and business world. So, this conjunction brings all issues into a time of resolution and transformation into a new phase. So HEARTCAKES is right - both.
Now, that we are moving the focus into Capricorn, the "doorway signs" - those that are square (and opp and conj) will have the opportunity to move into the next level; Aries, Cancer, Libra So this one may impact you a lot more.

But one of the things to realize is that until Uranus was SQUARE Pluto by sign, the intensity was "bearable" ...but 2002/2003 the intensity became like a blazing inferno. But greater challenges create greater galvanized character.

So, there will be a bit of easing once Jupiter and Pluto move into a more harmonious energy to Uranus .....

Look to Jupiter as it rolls out the red carpet... time to dance along the way into a New Year!!!

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Thank you for answering my question.

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In 1994, the Republicans grabbed the majority in the both the US Senate and Congress for the first time in 40 years. George W. Bush was elected governor of Texas, and the civil war in Chechnya commenced. The Channel Tunnel was opened, and Nelson Mandela was inaugurated as the first Black president of South Africa.

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