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augentier
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posted December 04, 2007 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which aspects between people (friends, lovers, family, whatever) promote long-term communication..where they will be unlikely to run out of things to talk about, or become disinterested in each other intellectually. I'm sure this has to do with Mercury..Mercury-Saturn aspects? Mercury-Uranus, Moon?

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Karyl Jackson
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posted December 04, 2007 09:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have found that Moon - Mercury - Venus connections are really the best for communication as the Moon's natural connection will always want to have "understanding". Any challenging planet with the Moon would leave a person NOT understood. Primary in good relationships is feeling understood.

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posted December 04, 2007 10:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still not experienced enough to know how to answer this, but what about Mercury-Jupiter in harmonious aspect?

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posted December 04, 2007 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is an interesting question. It relates to 3rd House and Mercury to me.
    In synastry it is somewhat fruitless to look at good connections. If the inherent proclivity is to a lack of communications present in the natal, oftentimes this lack of communication will be centered on the native.
My opinion is that those who already seek illumination will benefit from this configuration. You have to be open to it.. You have to be open to self betterment and change.
    Uranus as the higher octave might also be a consideration.

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GeminiLover75
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posted December 05, 2007 05:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, say if no one else has a problem understanding you, and you communicate fine with everyone else but you experience inexplicable problems communicating with your partner... then the problem may be with them and not you? And you could find this in their natal chart more so than in synastry?

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posted December 05, 2007 06:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's not forget about favorable Mercury/Mercury contacts...

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augentier
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posted December 05, 2007 04:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes..Mercury Leo trine Mercury Sag. is favorable, no? Good exchange of ideas and enthusiasm..

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posted December 05, 2007 05:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Node - before goin to the sinastry aspects to look at the natals and see how they communicate..or not :P

Then,see how the energies will combine in sinastry.

For example i have my Mercury in my 12th house - which by itself makes me a secretive person and wnehever i try to be understood and comunicate with others,in someway there´s a huge dificulty for them to know me and perceive me as an individual.
Fortunatelly, it makes onl~y good aspects with my planets : sextile jup/uranus and trine Moon.

My Bf for example has his Merc in Libra in his 3rd house - conj his sun and Psyche and trine his Moon - so he is a person expresses himself very openly and he is very outgoin and easily "perceived".

Now,let us see how our energies would work together.

- we share a venus/mercury conjunction
- sun/mercury conjunction
- sun/kiron double trine ( understanding linkage)
- my mercury sextile his AC - his Mercury conj my AC(0º)

Mercury being the ruller of my sun ( Virgo) it adds more importance to this interconnections.
At first sight and to others i would be hard to understand and to communicate BUT as there is someone who shares very close aspects between his Merc and my Merc with him, we two share a very special bond - i have to add another one that is his Psyche conj my AC in 0ºorb too - this asteroid is also important relating to comunication at a deeper level of spirit

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posted December 05, 2007 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Moon/Mercury and Mercury/Mercury aspects. They're great for long term communication.

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augentier
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posted December 05, 2007 07:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon/Mercury aspects...what happens when it's not reciprocated?

His Mercury trines my Moon (Leo/Sag)
My Mercury does not make an aspect to his Moon (Sag/Scorpio)

So would he be able to communicate more effectively to me on a deeper level than I would be able to? I've already noticed this, actually..when he speaks I absorb his words but when I speak he often gives me strange looks, like what I've said has thrown him for a loop lol..then again I suck at verbal communication , I stick to asking questions and listening

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posted December 06, 2007 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've probably logged more communication time with my SO than with anyone else in my life, and he still fascinates me. We met 7 years ago and immediately connected mentally. In fact, the first time we met, we spoke for 4 hours. And we were on an elevator, so we had to keep hitting the buttons. No, not really. It was an escalator, so we just kept going around.

In synastry, we have Mercury-Mercury, and mutual Moon-Mercury, Mercury-Uranus, and Mercury-Saturn aspects. Also, his Moon is in my 3rd house, and my Mercury & Uranus conjunct his 9th house cusp. In our composite, we have a Mercury-Venus-Sun conjunction.

Like Node and Diandra said, synastry connections need to be looked at in context. To know how two people will relate mentally (or in any other way), first understand each person's natal chart. See how important that part of himself is to him, and how he expresses it. The natal chart could tell you what style of communication will keep someone interested. Then, you can see if the partner complements him.

Looking at our natal charts, I can tell why our synastry works for us. The other planets Mercury aspects in synastry (Moon, Uranus, Saturn) are planets we both have Mercury aspects with in our natal charts. So talking to him is as effortless as talking to myself and much more interesting.

I recently noticed that all except a couple of my closest friends have a natal Mercury-Uranus aspect. The quickest way I feel bonded with someone is if I feel that electrifying mental chemistry with them. Even before my SO and I became a couple, a lot of people thought we were involved and I think that chemistry between us had a lot to do with it; people could see how we light each other up. Talking with him is often like pouring an espresso shot directly on my brain. Besides being stimulating, conversations with him are also freeing and creative, a communication style we both need to stay interested.

Adding to compatibility, I have Mercury in the first house and he has Mercury conjunct his Sun, so we both identify a lot with our thoughts and place a high value on communication.

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posted December 06, 2007 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
augentier - His reaction may have more to do with his natal aspects than your synastry ones. His Moon and Mercury are square, by sign if not by aspect. His Moon is in Scorpio and his Mercury is in Leo (I have Moon in Leo square Mercury in Scorpio). I've read that a Moon-Mercury square can make someone very animated during conversations. What looks to you like strange looks, may just be an external exaggeration of his internal reaction to your comments.

It also may take him some time to think about what you've said before he knows what he thinks and feels about your comments, while your thoughts and feelings are probably more fused since you have your Moon and Mercury in the same sign (conjunct?). Your emotional and mental fusion makes it easier to absorb his words, while he needs some time to absorb yours.

His Mercury trine your Moon may also make you so comfortable with him that you do say some pretty off the
wall things to him. Then the vulnerability that accompanies being open may make you more sensitive to his looks, perceiving them to mean that he isn't deeply connecting with what you're saying, when that may or may not be the case. If he does have a Moon-Mercury square natally, I've read that makes people a little kooky themselves, so he may be enjoying that you throw him for a loop. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/moonmercuryaspects.html

Even though your Mercury doesn't directly aspect his Moon, you may have a similar type of aspect. Does the ruler of your 3rd house aspect his Moon or the ruler of his 4th house? Does the ruler of his 4th house aspect your Mercury? Also check house overlays (i.e., your Mercury in his 4th house).

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posted December 06, 2007 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cristiname     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
in my personal exp of 8-10 hours talking each time , mutual Mercury trine Sun must be it (the double-wammy, as they say), with Mercury trine Venus and Mercury-Uranus sextile from one side. (although we have many, many aspects, these are the only Mercury ones)


Sun trine Mercury in synastry: http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/sun_mercury_aspects.html

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GeminiLover75
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posted December 06, 2007 04:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My bf's Mars squares my Mercury. That one really makes communication lovely sometimes. Interestingly, I've also just noticed that his Mars is in my third house. We do tend to argue, not about issues per se, but about each other's style of communication. It really gets stupid sometimes! However we are both Mercurial in regards to love, and on our first 'date' we connected instantly and talked for four hours straight. That would be the most stimulating conversation I have ever had with anyone, ever.

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heart cakes
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posted December 06, 2007 04:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my guy and i both have jupiter in eachothers' third houses. lots of talking, and enthusiastic at that. never boring.

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heart cakes
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posted December 06, 2007 04:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
psst, hey gemini lover, we posted at the same time about 3rd house stuff!

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posted December 06, 2007 04:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter in 3rd sounds lovely!

Aspects I've found that I've enjoyed are Mercury-Mercury conjunction (we think alike and can say the same thing at the same time), and their Mercury conjunct or trine my Sun (I think this one represents a deep understanding or that they 'get' me).

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GeminiLover75
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posted December 06, 2007 04:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just noticed that, heart cakes!

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heart cakes
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posted December 06, 2007 04:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey geminilover, i have an exact mercury-mercury conjunction with an ex and i am CONVINCED that this is one of the largest factors in his complete obsession with trying to control my thoughts, to this day, several years after our break up and after he screwed me over VERY badly. while we were together (and still) he obsessed over trying to "disprove" astrology to me, and constantly criticized pretty much all of my thoughts, constantly argued with me over every little thing, and manipulated me very successfully (i think because he understood how i thought so well). when we were dating yeah we'd talk a LOT and i enjoyed that part of it.. but holy doodle. i know there are other factors there (aries moon adding to his competitive drive, virgo rising adding to his critical approach, etc), but i feel like it's some weird competition with him to come out as triumphant over my thought process and it really bothers me. he also has saturn in leo opposite his (our) mercury, so perhaps this contributes as well. but for me, the conjunction, yikes! it can go either way i think.

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GeminiLover75
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posted December 06, 2007 04:32 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woah. That sounds VERY bad. Sounds like it does depend on other factors in the chart, eg the Mercury-Mercury person I'm thinking of is also very watery and I am too - so there's a good friendship compatibility there.

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heart cakes
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posted December 06, 2007 04:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah, that sounds really sweet, the conjunction in water.. it sounds really psychic actually! and gentle.

i know my experience is probably pretty much the extreme of this one. it's the same creepy guy i told you about before!


but getting off *that* topic , my guy now and i also have mercury trine moon and i really think that helps as well. it's hard to determine what aspect is working in what ways, but i do feel that this one is quite nice. i think it was mentioned already though!

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posted December 06, 2007 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked out my synastry with a long-time best friend of mine and frequent writing partner. In synastry we have:

Mercury conjunct Mercury-Uranus (mutual)
Merc sextile Saturn (mutual)
His Moon opp my Mercury (exact) and Uranus
My Moon square his Uranus (exact) and Mercury
His Moon in my 7th house
My Moon exactly conj his DSC

He was born only a week before me, so we of course have the same Mercury aspects to outer planets natally and then repeat those in synastry. But what I found interesting was the way both of our Moons form exact aspects in synastry with Mercury or Uranus and fall in the other's 7th house.

I also looked at the synastry with another best friend of mine, met her when I was 9. She's my mind twin. Very strong connection, mentally & emotionally, total empathy.
We have:

My ASC conjunct her Mercury
My Mercury conjunct her Uranus-Sun
My Sun widely conjunct her Moon

I like Uranus.

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posted December 06, 2007 07:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yours is pretty nice too.

hey, me and my guy also have mutual saturn-mercury sextiles in tight orb as well. i like this one too and think it is probably great for long term communication.

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augentier
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posted December 06, 2007 01:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jane, thanx so much for the clarification! i looked at the natal charts for each of us and looked at Mercury aspects and then at our synastry (i don't know his birth time any ideas on a clever way to ask him? :P )

My natal chart:

Sun conjunct Mercury
Mercury conjunct Uranus
Mercury conjunct Neptune

His natal chart:

Mercury trine Uranus
Mercury square Pluto

Our synastry:

Mercury (mine) conjunct Neptune (his)
Mercury (mine) sextile Pluto (his)..this aspect is within .02 orb, the tightest orb in our synastry besides our Mars-Venus trine which is also .02

Also, his Jupiter falls in my third house, and his Mercury falls in my tenth...


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I've read that a Moon-Mercury square can make someone very animated during conversations.

Definitely! He is very animated with facial expressions and especially his hands. However, his voice/way of speaking is very calm, solid, and articulate.

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His Mercury trine your Moon may also make you so comfortable with him that you do say some pretty off the
wall things to him.
Then the vulnerability that accompanies being open may make you more sensitive to his looks, perceiving them to mean that he isn't deeply connecting with what you're saying, when that may or may not be the case. If he does have a Moon-Mercury square natally, I've read that makes people a little kooky themselves, so he may be enjoying that you throw him for a loop.

Again, you're dead on..I do feel like it's "ok" for me to express my weird thoughts to him, but it DOES make me feel self-conscious after I say it. I dwell on whether or not he thinks I'm a freak. But he IS pretty kooky himself..and he has mentioned that he likes the bizarre. This still confuses me with his reactions sometimes. They're either sweet smiles/giggles or raised eyebrows and a big "WTF?" look in his eye


Another interesting thing about this is that when we are TOGETHER, we talk about so many things ..the first time we met and talked we talked about everything from how to make prison hooch to sex imagery in Disney movies to Lindsay Lohan to paranoid schizophrenia. When we are together all my sexual/romantic interest in him (which is insanely STRONG) is almost masked by my absolute fascination with him, intellectually. I find it very, very easy to look him in the eye when he talks to me. Usually I have a hard time looking people in the eye when they talk to me.


Makes sense though, right?

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posted December 06, 2007 02:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about a Mercury Jupiter DW ? Is this significant enough in a relationship ?

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