posted December 25, 2007 03:06 AM            

I think this is a pretty bad aspect for successful relationships where are so many expectations of perfect relationship that it never works

I have also observed amazing SELFISHNESS for the same type of charts where Libra sign rules. Everything is Give and Take. This is yours this is mine. This is your family this is my family. This is your career this is my career.

And again being an Air sign, emotions are completely missing here so everything is rationalized. How can an emotional relationship be rationalized?

posted December 25, 2007 03:37 AM              

i feel like the balancing is an obsession with her. but i think they are dual-minded. when she is presented with something lovely and harmonious, she finds a flaw in it to complain about. when you say something negative about your life (even if it is in a positive context), she jump on you for it for the fact that you are complaining. i find it exhausting, to be honest. it's like the obsession is an obsession with the thought process OF balancing within themselves and hasn't got much to do with objective reality, necessarily. THEN AGAIN i am just basing it on this one girl i know. i know VERY few other libras (and i'm talking, old aquaintances; she is the only one i know nowadays). i also find them (her) argumentative for the sake of arguing, it seems. and she will lead me into weird scenarios where she complains about something and then as soon as i agree with part of what she is saying, in empathy, she will totally take the opposite view and get upset with me and what i've just agreed with as though i was the one to say it in the first place and it totally offended her! i dunno. it's confusing. but she calls me like all the time whenever we hang out (even though i feel like i'm always upsetting her?!) and the more i sort of ignore her a bit, the sweeter and kinder she gets.. till i hang out with her again and she disagrees with almost everything i say! hahaha..

posted December 25, 2007 04:25 AM            

As a Libra Moon, I would say that I tend to ignore problems in relationships and never EVER talk about them, or try to fix them. And from what I've read about Libras is that they aren't necessarily looking for the PERFECT partnership, they just want one, period. I've also read that they are willing to settle because they don't want to be alone.

Maybe the Libra you're complaining about has other things going on in their chart to make them so nitpicky.

posted December 25, 2007 04:47 AM              

i also have to say that i really like this girl and she is a sweet heart. i think she just is obsessed with trying to make peace with her two sides.. the SCALES, you know? so she tends to bounce back and forth.

posted December 25, 2007 02:29 PM            

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And from what I've read about Libras is that they aren't necessarily looking for the PERFECT partnership, they just want one, period. I've also read that they are willing to settle because they don't want to be alone.

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And that is where you would be wrong.

Again, this boils down to the individual preception of partnerships, but the analogy that best describes a Libra's search for the perfect partner would be the two weighing trays of the Scale. One can't have another tray as being the lesser individual in a relationship or else things aren't balanced. So its down to finding someone who has the qualities a Libra finds alluring. The only problem is, there is rarely an individual who possesses each and every quality a Libra is usually looking for; Hence the serial monogomous streak so to speak.

And I personally see nothing wrong with that. Why shouldn't a person has the right to find a partner that they see as a perfect match to their own personality? Where as one sees it as being picky, I call it being prudent.

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posted December 25, 2007 03:29 PM            

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being an Air sign, emotions are completely missing here so everything is rationalized. How can an emotional relationship be rationalized?
Any comment will be appreciated. I apologize for my Scorpion rudeness to those who would find this message offending.

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This is your career this is my career.

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With only one planet such as Moon doesn't signify the Libran quality of complaining about everything.

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It is interesting because I haven't found any Libra woman really in an emotional attachment. As soon as they get married, their selfishness starts.

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But I am really trying to understand whether Libras can have a successful emotional marriage ever.

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mblover, I’m sorry that you’ve apparently been so hurt by an Airy person that you despise all the rest of us. But those 1.5 billion of us Airy people on this planet (with emotions completely lacking) really resent (**gasp** -- an emotion!!!!) being put in your convenient little box with labels on it. Labels limit us as human spirits.
Here, I wanna play too ;-D = But labels are terribly convenient and comforting for Fixed signs, eh?? Just dump us in the box and you don’t have to THINK about it anymore…..
Wow, that was hard for me to write. Generalizations like that make me cringe at the unfairness, immaturity and downright lack of common sense of attempting to lump millions of unique individuals into some box with a label.....

~ Zala
Sun/Venus/Saturn/Neptune

PS: I saw that, Xie

posted December 25, 2007 08:40 PM            

Libran Sun/Aries Moon, here.

posted December 25, 2007 08:53 PM            

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Don't you just love the ironic stance most people here make about air signs Zala? Its so amusing people making all these assumptions about air signs and their lack of intuitive behavior and deeper emotional understnding yet I don't see the same amount of understanding being projected from the Fire/Water signs who are quick to lable such behavior out as "lack of emotions" and "Infidelity."

posted December 25, 2007 09:06 PM            

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Its so amusing people making all these assumptions about air signs and their lack of intuitive behavior and deeper emotional understnding

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Aste*risk ~

Thanks for the applause Can't help but strike a blow against narrow-mindedness and unfairness in the Universe, n'est-ce pas??
Perhaps you'd like to become one of my deputies: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005221.html

My intent is NOT to invalidate anyone's experience with one or two or ten individuals in a zodiac sign -- it is to point out that the entire 1/12th of the planet belonging to that sign being bashed does not behave in exactly the same manner as the offending personality that the aggrieved poster has been in contact with.....

posted December 25, 2007 09:33 PM            

And, I am more than happy with my VIRGIN who has a stellium in Virgo Moon in Pisces and Mars in Cancer. We have an emotional depth like nobody else.

posted December 25, 2007 09:45 PM            

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With Six planets in Scorpio, I can smell Libra selfishness from 100 mile distance. I have never been in a relationship with a Libra woman personally - but being a professional astrologer - I have been amazed with Libra's selfishness that I have observed in 100s of clients. I have yet to find a Libra woman with three or more planets in Libra and a successful marriage life of 20+ years.

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posted December 25, 2007 11:10 PM              

I am on-the-market and find myself constantly discarding men because they don't meet my standards. I do have this fairy-tale vision of what my man would look like and be like. But, contradictorily, I also fall in love very easily and end up getting attached to the wrong guy - and I KNOW he's the wrong guy. But, I am fearful of being alone.

It is very difficult being a single Libran. My Venus in Scorpio also does not help.

posted December 25, 2007 11:20 PM              

I can explain mine - or what one might think is considered selfishness. I need alone 'mental' space - whether you're present right then and there, or not. I need to shut the world out almost daily to the point where it may appear as though I'm not listening, not comprehending, not caring - but I am and do (I sometimes try anyway). I simply have my head in the clouds (AIR).

And the sad thing is, once I come down and realize that I missed something you said and shook my head in acknowledgement (which happens ALL the time, by the way), I feel awful and full of guilt. I can't tell you how many people have told me a story and brought it up another time and I only knew bits and pieces at most. I just don't know how to control it. I often try to force myself to ask them to repeat it. But, how embarrassing!

I would give the shirt off of my back for anyone. I am very generous, almost to the point of fault.

posted December 25, 2007 11:24 PM              

Yes, most of us are not in the world of emotions, and prefer ideas and intellectual conversations but that does not mean that we are cold, calculated beings. Emotions just don't come naturally to us- the only exception to this rule, at least for me, is in romantic relationships, I am all emotion in this regard.

btw- I have been married for almost four years; my husband has never complained that I am selfish (because I am not!).

posted December 26, 2007 12:16 AM            

My mother has 5, yes that's right 5 planets in Libra. She has been married to my father for about 42 years. And she is the most selfless person I know.

Generalizations really do suck

Zala- as always well said

posted December 26, 2007 12:58 AM            

I have a favorite Linda Goodman quote about Librans -- "Love Signs" page 104 (Aries-Libra chapter):

"Librans are positive, living proof of reincarnation, because nobody could become that impossible in just one lifetime."
Linda was not a huge fan of Librans
You're dead-on-target in your comparison of the mechanics of some of the Libran vs. Aquarian mental energies

posted December 26, 2007 01:05 AM            

I bend over backwards to help everyone feel welcome and at ease, and if I find value in you and your style and/or thoughts... I will try them on for size to see if they are worthy of adding to my life view. You may mistakenly think that I am therefore just like you. If you are a selfish or cruel person, you will be even more attracted to me because I have the capacity and patience to tolerate just about anything for a short period of time. (I, personally, am also heavily influenced by Saturn, I think Libra overlooks graciously where Saturn observes patiently and waits to see the truth.) This means that when the initial period is over, if you have been too shallow to actually attempt to get to know me or my views, and have just basked in my graciousness, and viewed me only at face value, you might think I am a little ditsy, but pleasant company and a good ego stroker. (Leos I have known in the past come to mind...) You may even take advantage of me and then become startled and/or rudely awakened when I have any sort of human needs or faults, rather than continue to constantly perform as your magic mirror.
In my youth I was guilty of giving too much and then becoming angry and resentful when it was not reciprocated, but I have learned to observe my behavior and take more control of it. I strive to give only what I am willing to give without expectations. I'm human... but I do better than most.
Unfortunately, just because you adopt this view doesn't mean that people suddenly respect your boundaries. Many people just see me as an easy source for "feeding" and don't take no for an answer when I choose to stop or limit my giving and/or energy sharing their way. I'm still practicing kicking these idiots off of me without doing them too much harm, but I've found I need to stop giving long before I reach my limit to compensate for the energy that must be expended to play the tug of war when I try to limit my energy to them.
If I don't balance this exactly right they find a way to draw a liiiiiitttle more out of me and something within me responds to the imbalance with some unexpected Uranian outburst or air storm/tornado. Then the person walks away convincing themselves that I am so selfish and have done them wrong... without ever seeing their own behavior.
Not everyone is a student of psychology, astrology, and human behavior. Many (and possibly most) don't even see what they do.

LibraChickety, you took the words right out of my mouth:

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If ANYTHING, I am TOO emotional. The air has my head in the clouds 24-7 thinking about MY emotions and the emotions of EVERYONE around me. I am SO in-tune and oversensitive to everyone else's emotions. I aim to please and make everyone happy. I am so incredibly sensitive toward a change in tone-of-voice, body language, pattern, etc. I am constantly analyzing. It gets exhausting.

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It still amazes me that others can't see how hard I try and give me some credit and the benefit of the doubt. But, I guess that is the point. They don't see it. People who have a Libra in their life who they believe is selfish, probably have that Libra in their live to teach them to really look at how much THEY (themselves) are giving, so they can learn true balance.

posted December 26, 2007 01:14 AM            

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posted December 26, 2007 01:47 AM              

yeah i have a much better perspective on my friend now. she's actually a really giving person, always giving people rides and stuff. i am very stubbornly not good at accepting help in my life and she is a single mom like me so i always refuse her offers. but i see how what you guys are saying applies to her, and i do see that she lets herself be taken for granted. don't do that, librans!!