posted January 02, 2008 09:42 AM            

Well I actually got you a HUGE exerpt from the book. Someone actually decided to write it all off as a blog entry Lol!
http://community.livejournal.com/librans/53079.html

posted January 02, 2008 10:39 PM              

I have quite a few male Libra cousins that I see the same qualities that I saw in my ex-Libra man. It was a constant battle of him wanting to wear the pants one day and then wanting to wear the dress the next. Yow.

Even though they appear masculine at first glance, if you look closer you can see a feminine, high-maintenance woman with a beard - who trims it better than any other man you know.

All of the men in the posted pictures above look too feminine for my taste.

Romantic, caring, communicative - sure I'll definitely give them that... and plenty more positives.

As far as the 'secret', I don't know WHERE that originated. I HAVE noticed them to have healthy sexual appetites though.

posted January 02, 2008 11:25 PM            

Welcome to the modern age where men and women have defied conventionalism and have adopted the best of both worlds. Don't believe me? Look at your average athelete or even the army while you are at it.

posted January 03, 2008 05:16 AM              

when i saw those pictures i saw men who are all quite conscious of how they look and adorn themselves. that is, arguably, a feminine trait.

posted January 03, 2008 08:01 AM            

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i can see how that would be frustrating and a bit weird for a woman. some women i mean. just like a girl who dressed more masculinely and acted in other slightly masculine ways might make her man uneasy too.

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Not in the least bit . Unless we are talking about a total sex change or something or wants to totally change her attitude about her own sex.

posted January 03, 2008 09:49 AM              

anyway I agree with LibraChickety.

My good old libra buddy from High School is like that he spends most of his time at the gym, if he's not working or at school.

Then when ever I stop over it takes him forever for him to get ready, he's not going outside unless he looks "pretty" LoL

So you can see the masculin side of him and the feminine side of him.

Xodian your right about the career thing,

He's taking Buissness Adminstration and at the same time he's working towards becoming a manager and aspires to become one.
I respect that and he respects my career aspirations as a software developer

Is there a secret with Libra males??? I actaully have to think about this one
maybe the only secret is the dream of aspiration.

I know he has that dream... and i know one my libra pals in my class plans on continuing college somewere else just like me

posted January 04, 2008 02:30 PM              

Geocosmic Valentine I know you didnt said that Everyone who has Libra Rising would have the need to have sexual freedom and new partners regularly..but as you asked here it goes:

im libra rising so i have Aqua in my 5th Cusp.
IM not at all promiscuous or a person who feels the need to have sex with new guys at a random time

im very committed to one person at a time and very demanding on the one i love - so it takes much trust and time for me to reveal myself totally to a guy.
Nevertheless, i see myself as a very open girl regarding intimate life,where there are no tabus or conservative thoughts ( things that at first sight would be more usual to a Virgo sun like me maybe). I guess the freedom youve talked about dont necessarily centers itself on being excessively sexual and having many partners,but rather on having an healthy sexual life in quality

posted January 05, 2008 07:29 AM            

I am yet to meet a Libra that's an Alpha male, and I am glad they are not that because Alpha males freak me out.

But, I recently encountered a Libra like non other in my life.

This Libra male exhibits a split personality. One moment he is honourable, and the next he is the slimiest person ever. To me this seems to be a internal conflict of being ruled by a feminine Venus, and being a Masculine Cardinal sign.

In my observations of this human, he seems to be highly concerned with how the world views him, which should be a clean, and upstanding contributor to the GDP (lOL) but at the same time, because he is trying to preserve that image, it has made him quite a dishonest man, or at least, one that is living a double life.

I am quite certain that morally, he can justify his actions everytime, and that it only seems like a contradiction to me, and I think that this "justification" he has made is how he can live with himself... and that is okay because we all do things that can be viewed as 'evil" but as long as we can justify them, it makes them sort of "okay".

I have also noticed that Libra also like dichotomous women, in a sense that, they would seldom settle for a doormat, but strangely, they seem to react badly when criticized.

Personally, I have no idea what to make of this particular Libra because he seems slightly schizophrenic, devious but claiming to be a wise saint.

As I said ,this coud be a result of other aspects in his chart.

posted January 05, 2008 07:38 AM              

i am not quite sure how to explain it, but i used to go for guys who were expressive with their styles and thought a lot about how they appeared.. which i really liked at the time. now, for some reason it doesn't appeal. i'm not saying this is the way it should be; it's just my fluctuating taste i guess, but the more feminine i feel, the more i like guys who are sorta no nonsense and "traditionally" masculine, in that the focus is toward the woman, etc. and honestly it could just be that my last two bfs who were so obsessed with how they looked ended up being unfaithful, have made me somehow associate this trait with something negative, overall. i'm not sure!!

but totally, bathing, brushing hair, nicely fitting clothes, etc: very sexy.

also, i think a guy can be bare bones about his maintenance, even scruffy, and still be completely honourable and gentlemanly.. not at all macho. in fact, in ***MY*** experience, it tends to be the fussy/pretty boys that want more attention on them and can be whiney and expect everything given to them..

posted January 05, 2008 07:43 AM            

I actually know what you mean because my tastes change with my perspective too.

And since we are trying to decipher the Libra man's secret... I am curious to know how they react to the following things:

1. Criticism
2. Strong Women
3. Rejection
4. Sexuality
5. Betrayal
6. Insecurities (their own)
7. Not being trusted or being second guessed

posted January 05, 2008 08:39 AM            

That babe, is justification through unfair assosiation . And that is exactly where stereotypes start taking thei origins from. Kinda like labling someone successful as a possible sleezeball which most people tend to do these days.

Anyway, moving along to unmoved's post:

1. Criticism:

Everyone has opinions offcourse and they are allowed to express them rightfully. Just that the critic just has to point at logical flaws of a situation and to focus on the problem at hand rather then pointing fingers. However, I do not deny that sometimes a person needs to be questioned inorder for people to see just what actions they did were wrong and how they effected a situation negitively.

2. Strong Women

Love em! What more can a guy ask for in a partner? A woman who can take care of herself, has her own career going and at the same is psycologically aware of who she is and what can she do and isn't afraid to show it... well, quite appealing to say the least Lol! However, in a partnership, if she thinks she can make her partner a pet dog that she can walk around on a leash... Think again.

3. Rejection

What?! Reject me?! Highly improbable!

Lol! Easy girls. I may have a healthy ego but I haven't lost my marbles yet . Everyone is entitled to find their ideal mate and well, rejection is just a natural part of that ongoing search. That is why I personally believe in a more open relationship senerio which allows both partner to move on without any anger or betrayel issues. Just be honest about why you want to leave the relationship you are in now.

4. Sexuality

Am a highly sexual person Lol! Love to make love and well... love to get the same treatment back Lol! It kinda really puts me off as to how people seem to think that the "waam, baam, thankyou maam" formula actually gets the job done. Now don't get offended gals, but I like to compare a sexual experience with that of driving an exotic sports car. No self respecting moron would take a Lamborgini out on the open road and then leave it there mid way just to catch up on a hockey game Lol! You tkae you time... You admire the body... And oh man do you take your time enjoying the ride Lol!

5. Betrayal:

Personally... I really won't stand for it (then again, that would be my leo Asc. and moon talking.) After all the freedom and openess I present to my partner I really don't see the need for betrayal. All the partner needs to do if she isn't interested in a long-term relationship (keeping in mind that this IS a mature and responsible person) is just say it truthfully.

6. Insecurities (their own):

Me to know and you to not find out unless you're someone who is close to me Lol! Sorry gals... Personal bounderies stay personal unless I choose to show you my weaknesses.

7. Not being trusted or being second guessed:

posted January 05, 2008 09:30 AM            

This made me laugh:

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What?! Reject me?! Highly improbable!

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Hee hee.

Yeah... I have never thought of Libra and being secretive, or maybe it is just general human nature, but I have found that Libra's are very secretive. my mom is one.

Well, not in a bad way... Not at all, but they DO NOT volunteer information. Neither do I but i find it difficult to not give a straight answer when asked a direct question... but ... let's take my mom... she is very evasive.

I have always seen that as a water sign trait maybe, or a mutable... but i have realized that Libra men (not all of course... just what I have experienced) are the type that you can talk to for hours, and you would laugh, cry, but the conversation would feel absolutely wholesome and rich... and when they have left the building, and you start reflecting on the conversation, you realize that you have no idea what they said. Leaving a person with a "WTF?" type of feeling.

That is diplomacy at its best... diplomacy gone wrong... in the highest form, and strangely, I applaud them. LOL

Maybe that's the endearing quality about them. That sense that leaves you with... "I want to know more because this person can't be this random?"

Librans have been stereotyped, like Virgos, like every sign actually. Virgo's are boring office secretaries, Libras are self-absorbed... Scorpios are evil... LOL... and I have never met an evil Scorpio, boring Virgo, or self-obsessed Libra. Libras are very giving actually. I have noticed that they are more mothering than Cancerians, strangely... in a "guiding' way... not smothering way.

posted January 05, 2008 11:14 AM              

like it's weird.. i used to identify as strongly androgenous and that whole balance thing really appealed to me.. and still does. the guy i like is a cancer with moon on the ascendant. he is VERY sweet and beautiful (so, feminine in many ways). but i think in him it is balanced in that he is not trying to grab any (further) attention with his dressing. he is quite guyish in other ways, possibly as comensation for his involuntary sweetness. which, resultedly, makes me feel safe with him, cuz he's strong and manly, yet ALSO sweet and receptive.. so, the balance is playing out here.

and i could understand if a woman is super feminine by birth, frail and just generally very yin, that she would naturally gravitate to more manly guys, maybe, to achieve that balance.

posted January 05, 2008 11:41 AM              

"And what by your standards LibraChickety constitues as masulinity? Giving three grunts for a reply, an almost zombie like lust for beer and bacon and a scratched up face?"

Tee hee, no - not at all (well I don't mind a little chin or sideburn action).

Most Libra men just have feminine facial features. Their faces are softer, curvier - more feminine. I see it - and I just don't like it. I also see it in their facial EXPRESSIONS.

I just don't like 'pretty' guys :P I like a guy to care what he looks like and have excellent personal hygiene. However, a guy shouldn't take longer than ME to get ready - BECAUSE I'M A LIBRA!

posted January 05, 2008 11:50 AM              

Yes, Libra men ARE definitely aware of what they look like. But, I feel it's almost to the point where they sometimes forget about YOU and often forget to compliment YOU - THE WOMAN! They're almost as bad as Leo men in that aspect :P But, I love Leo men - they're MASCULINE :P

posted January 05, 2008 02:23 PM            

Lol! We all have an impulse to protect our vunerable selves unmoved. I mean the one has to be totally naieve to think that he/she can totally place their vunerable selves in the hands of a stranger and expect to not get hurt one way or another. Being vunerable leaves one open for assault and when taken down emotionally or physically, one isn't exactly avalibe to help those he/she holds dear. How can one help others if one can't help their own selves?

As I said, the quality of a Libra is still masculine even when influenced by Venus and thus the ideal mythic representations of this sign are Apollo and Athena rather then Venus outright. Both Apollo and Athena represented a more loical, ideal and "Statuesque" view of beauty and human psyce; having the best traits of both genders embedded in their personalities with logic being the primary directive for both of them.

And yes, its interesting you mention a Libra's ideal way of parenting which I have to say I agree with (then again, it could be more to do with human behavior.) Libras achieve balance in their life and thus they make sure that their children's love does not end up replacing the love they have for their partners. Thus they love their children but keep a healthy distance away to let them develope and let them explore the world on their own a bit.

Heartcakes:

Personally speaking, androgymous traits kinda facinate me in a way that such characteristics end up to the point of complete harmony. Such a person has a position of beauty unlike any other, with a strong impulse to identify with both the sexes and thus it really puts moronic ideals of sexism and extremism to rest.

There is an artist I would like to recomend to you. Her name is Ayami Kojima and she does game concept art. Specifically, she did the concepts for one of fav. game series called "Castlevania." The men in that game are HIGHLY andogymous, yet they are possibly one of the most manliest men when it comes to their actions Lol!

Yeah, he is a guy Lol!

Librachickety:

LOL! I gotta say your responses are kinda giving me the chuckles. I think you really are not gonna like the Video Game world Lol!
http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Images/Scans/CoD/hector-render.jpg
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/07/mgs4raiden.jpg
http://www.tech2.com/media/images/2007/Jul/img_11921_mgs4.jpg
http://powet.tv/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/final_fantasy_vii_advent_children_postcard_02.jpg
http://www.399animeshop.com/sephiroth-poster.jpg

From your responses, I am kinda getting the feeling that you seem to think that Libra amles tend to be in a sort of astetic competition with you or something Lol! Or it could be that the Libra you were with must have had the impulse to take his time getting ready Lol! I personally have a 12 min. shower rule; 15 at most. Then probably another 5 min. to get the clothes on.

And if you girls out there still think we Libra guys are trying to outdo you in your own domian, well... Lol! Yours truly is on the left and the lovely babelicious is on the right. As you can see, she is more lovely Lol!

posted January 05, 2008 02:48 PM              

here is some of mine. i did this one maybe 6 years ago. now this is what i would call a very feminine woman. i'm confused.. libra men want beauty/harmony, but also like the balance of male to female in their woman? so basically, they like ALL types of women, generally? or what?