posted January 05, 2008 01:13 PM            

Do you feel like discussing your thoughts on your Nodes/Jupiter “association” some more?? My Saturn is at 29 Libra and NN 29 Cap. I’m curious about this one….. like I mentioned over here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/015999.html , I (personally) wouldn’t call it a t-square (Saturn to the Nodal axis), but I still wonder what would happen when a significant transit hits 29 Aries (the Empty Leg) and activates "Grand Cross" "energies" (those are in quotes as discussed previously ). None of the biggies have passed there in awhile (Jupiter, Saturn, Chiron, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) so I haven’t been able to explore the effects of the configuration in my own chart….. Saturn will hit 10 Virgo (your Empty Leg) later this year….. and did you have any experiences with the Virgo/Pisces eclipses hitting that degree??

posted January 06, 2008 05:30 AM              

yes, I would like discussing the squares to Nodal-axis some more, even though I`m not really sure how those work.

But I noticed, that the cycle of Saturn seems to work like a "timer" in a certain area of my life.

When I was a young girl I developed a huge crush on a musical-singer, who had been "vanished from the face of earth", so I thought it was just that - a passing fancy.

However, he turned out to be rather a lasting fancy than a passing one; cause here I am 18 years later, still talking about him. lol

HOwever, there seem to be two or three places in the zodiac very important in my relation with him.

1. around 16° Aquarius
2. around 10° Virgo / Pisces

1. on 16° Aquarius there is my Moon, his SN and his Pholus natally
2. on 11° Pisces my Jupiter and on 7° Pisces my Pholus; on 9° Pisces his Chiron/
on 8° Virgo his Pluto /
on 10° Sagittarius my Neptune and NN

Also, he has a Pisces-ASC with a Sagittarius - MC; I don`t know the exact degree, but it could actually be that his ASC is somewhere near my Jupiter, OR his MC is conjunct some of my planets (well, since I have Amor, Mars, ASC, Neptune, NN, Mercury and Sun all spread over Sagittarius, one of these will be a hit, I guess. lol)

It`s very interesting to see the development of this "relations" over time.

When I noticed him and developed that fancy:
TR NN was exactly conjunct my Moon and his Pholus / SN.
Tr Saturn was opposite my Saturn and TR Chiron was conjunct my Saturn.
Tr Karma / Sun were exactly conjunct my Sun-Moon-mp and Antivertex.
But no triggering of my nodal degrees.

3 years later I surprisingly found out that he had returned to exactly to that city, I had jokingly foretold a friend of mine. I just suddenly had the idea to look into a "phone-book" and there he was. lol

Tr Chiron / PHolus were conjunct his NN and opposing his Pholus and my Moon.
TR NN was conjunct my natal NN / Neptune and of course square my Jupiter / Pholus, his Chiron and his Pluto; triggering my nodal degrees.

Tr. Neptune / Uranus was conjunt my Sun-Moon-mp and Antivertex.
Tr-Eros exactly conjunct my Moon and his SN / Pholus.

A year later I saw him for the first time live (and didn`t talk to him).
Tr - Saturn (7° Pisces) was conjunct my Jupiter / PHolus and his Chiron; and also was opposing his Pluto and squaring my NN /Neptune / ASC.
Tr-Pholus was conjunct his Pluto, opposing his Chiron and my Jupiter / Pholus and squaring my NN. (TR - Chiron had done so earlier this year).

Fast forward many many years, and coincidental "almost meetings", many shattered dreams and wasted tears and then in 2002 I saw him again, and I actually talked to him this time.

Tr-Juno was conjunct his NN and opposing his Pholus / my Moon.
Tr-Saturn was conjunct my SN almost exactly, making a Grand Cross between:
my Jupiter / PHolus / his Chiron
and
my NN / Neptune / ASC
and
my SN / DSC
and
his Pluto.

Oh I forgot to mention. In 1996 or 1997 I started to realize, that my "crush" really had faded away, but that I still liked him. And I still had the feeling that he had to play a "part" in my life, and that this part wasn´t over yet. Even without him really being in my life.
It was 1998 that I realized that he had "brought" someone else into my life, or not really "into" my life. But that this someone, who was so connected to my former crush, was unsettling me deeply. But since I could see, that this "someone" would bring some pain into my life and that all that could ever be, was a highly onesided painful infatuation on my side, I decided to run away.

In 1998 Tr Pluto was conjunct my NN; tr Jupiter was conjunct my Jupiter (hey, the Return of my Chart-ruler!) and Tr-NN was opposing my Jupiter / PHolus and squaring my NN.

However, it`s funny, but this year, 2007, I have been seeing my "crush" already twice in 2 months or so. And the first "seeing" wasn`t even planned. It was just coincidence, that he was sitting in the audience of a concert I was visiting. And then I saw him last week, and I really wonder if he recognized me.
Which is not very likely, but why else should he have been "greeting" me from stage? Strange.

However, last week
Tr-Saturn was conjunct his pluto, opposite his Chiron / my Jupiter / my Pholus and squaring my NN / ASC.
Tr-Pholus has been conjunct my NN / ASC.
Tr-Juno has been conjunct my ASC and widely conjunct my NN.

And now, it has been planned that I was gonna see him in a concert in february, but that was BEFORE I accidentally met him in october.
And if I go, there will be:

Tr-Saturn widely square my NN (but 5° orb), tr-Pholus exactly conjunct my NN.

WEll, I guess ours is really a PHOLUS-story. What do you think?
I never really noticed Pholus before, but he seems to be all over my "relation" to this man.

I`m curious to see where this is gonna lead me.

BTW shortly after the ecclipse was hitting the empty leg of this NN-SN-Jupiter-configuration; in virgo in 9th house, I decided to:
1. go to the concert, where I accidentally met him
2. go to Berlin to celebrate new year there (I didn`t even know at that time that he would be there, too).
3. go to his concert in february

So, the ecclipse didn`t "do" anything outwardly, but inside of me a lot happened. I guess I was finally ready to "come out of the shadows" and see, if I was just building up an illusion, when I thought there was some spiritual connection to that man, or if there was more to it. And if there was more, what exactly that "more" is.
Besides he`s a GREAT entertainer and it`s just so much fun to watch him perform.

posted January 06, 2008 07:12 AM              

But this "crush" doesn`t stand alone, as I mentioned he brought someone else with him.
And maybe it`s interesting if that "SO- someone" relates to these, degrees, too.

Well, in the synastry with SO I found some interesting degrees, too.

1. His Isis (8° Sagittarius) and maybe also his Mercury / Osiris ´(15° Sagittarius) conjunct my ASC / NN (7° - 10°) and of course squaring my Pholus / Jupiter - his Psyche is opposite my Jupiter and Juno, too.

2. his NN on 15° Taurus squares my Moon on 17° Aquarius and opposes my Siva on 17° Scorpio; and his Pholus also conjuncts my Moon (3° orb). His Juno is opposite my Moon, too.
So, there seems to be a Grand Cross of his NN in Taurus, his Juno in Leo, his SN / my Siva in Scorpio and my Moon in Aquarius.

3. His Moon / ASC-conjunction in Aries is opposite my Uranus (3°) and conjuncts my draconic Venus (2°)

4. There`s a T-square of his SAturn / Chiron / Lilith in PIsces opposite his Uranus / Pluto in Virgo squaring my Sun / Mercury in Sagittarius on 25°-26° Sagittarius.

5. His Mars conjunct my Pluto and widely conjunct my MC (4,5°) and square my Venus, Isis, Osiris and his Venus, Eros and MC.

Well, it was in 1992, that I noticed him.

Tr-Karma / Jupiter was conjunct his Psyche, opposite my Juno and square his Mercury / Osiris.

Tr-Chiron was conjunct his Juno and opposite my Moon and square his nodal-axis.
Tr-Saturn was conjunct my Moon, opposite his Juno and square his nodal-axis.
So the transiting Saturn-Chiron-opposition was making a dance on his nodal axis, his Juno and my Moon.
The interesting thing is that my former crush does tie into this,t oo; this dance involves his nodal axis, too; since man 1 and man 2 have a very exact square between their nodal axises.

Tr-Psyche was opposite his Lilith / Saturn / Chiron and square my Sun / Mercury.

A few years later - there have been plenty possibliities to see him live, but I didn`t want to. I just didn`t want to see him live, ever. And then friends of mine started to talk a lot about him. Becuase those friends had friends that knew him, kinda. I didn`t want to know, actually.
*sighs* He had moved into a town very close to mine, doing all these things i would have liked to see; and I was bombarded with informations about him, that I never had asked for.

That year there was:

TR-NN exactly opposite my Jupiter and square my NN / his Isis.

Tr-Juno conjunct his Uranus / Pluto opposite his Saturn / Chiron / Lilith square my Sun / Mercury

Tr-Chiron conjunct his SN, square my Moon and his Juno.

Tr-Pluto conjunct my NN / ASC and his Isis.

2 years later my aunt gave me a musical-ticket as a christmas present for a musical in which he was having the leading role, which she didn`t know, and thus I didn`t have any chance to NOT go and see him, so I went and saw.

Tr-NN was conjunct his Karma / Jupiter.
Tr-Karma was conjunct my Saturn.
Tr-Pluto was conjunct my NN and his Mercury / Osiris.
Tr-Chiron was opposite my Karma and conjunct his Mercury / Osiris.
Tr-Uranus was conjunct my Moon and his Pholus.
Tr-Sun / Psyche was oppoiste his Mars / my Pluto sqaring his Venus and Eros and also squaring my Venus, Isis and Osiris.
Tr-Saturn was exactly conjunct his NN and square his Juno and my Moon.

Since then I have seen him almost every year, at least once. But in 2006 it was different than before. In a way it felt like fate or his "career-decisions" had started to push him a bit into my direction, probably just to tease me a bit. lol
Like he was suddenly deciding to make his cd in my very hometown, which is just such a small village, and I don`t know how anyone EVER could choose this town at the end of the world for anything. lol
But such things happen, I guess.

But it just feels like things have changed since last year; somehow everything has started to feel more "real".
And the dreams started again; on top of that I feel like I share his thoughts; well not all of them, but some of them. I`ve always just "Known", where he was, if he would appear to a concert, or if there was something wrong, but since last year these "psychic" feelings have become really really intense. Intense to the degree, that he even seems to answer to my thoughts.
I remember this once scene at his concert in october.
I was thinking, totally out of any context, if it is possible to see someone`s aura.
And only 2 minutes later or so, he was doing the introduction to a new song, and was explaining to the audience that little children still can see the aura of a person, and that somehow us grown ups lose that ability.
Like he had heard my unsaid question, that existed only in my mind.
Things like that happen ALL the time, and as I said, just recently it has started to feel like a "constant telephone line". lol

But the transits were:

Tr-Psyche conjunct his psyche (ah, was his Psyche-return, whatever that means) opposite my juno and Jupiter.
Tr-Pluto conjunct my Sun / Mercury and widely conjunct his Sun and squaring his Saturn / Chiron / Lilith and Uranus.
Tr-Karma opposite his Karma / Jupiter.
Tr-Neptune conjunct my MOon, opposite his Juno and square his nodal axis.
Tr-Uranus exactly conjunct my Jupiter and square my Nodal-axis.
Tr-NN conjunct his Saturn / Chiron / Lilith and opposite his Uranus / PLuto and squaring my Sun / Mercury.
Oh, the TR-NN also was exactly c onjunct our composite Moon and Tr-Pluto was exactly conjunct the c omposite Sun.
(OUr Composite will have its nodal return this year.)

Phew, there is definitely a synastric cross-interaction with both these men.
I think especially the interconnection between the fixed signs (15°) and the cardinal signs (around 8° - 10°) are interesting.

Man No 1:
Neptune 13° Scorpio,
NN 16° Leo,
Pholus 16° Aquarius,
Moon 19° Taurus

Man No 2:
SN 15° Scorpio
Juno 13° Leo
Pholus 20° Aquarius
NN 15° Taurus

Me:
Siva 15° Scorpio
Moon 17° Aquarius

(my poor Moon! *sniff*)

the cardinal signs:

Man No 1:
Mercury, Eros on 7° Aries

Man No 2:
Mars on 9° Libra
Eros on 6° Capricorn
Venus on 10° Capricorn

Me:
IC on 5° Aries
Pluto on 9° Libra
MC on 5° Libra
Venus on 6° Capricorn
Isis / Osiris on 8° Capricorn

Interesting, isn`t it?

posted January 06, 2008 09:53 AM            

I tried a little experiment and it came up with some VERY interesting results!

I tried taking the date that there was a meeting or communication between me and my guy, and created a multi composite between our natals and that date.

The results for both times I tried it were so right on it was scary.

They both told a story when you read the chart.

I also tried a Davison with his natal and the date, and another Davison with my natal and the date and it too was very revealing.

Just want to see if you find the same...

posted January 06, 2008 10:12 AM              

that is an interesting idea. I will try this out, instantly!

Also, would you mind sharing some of your results?

BTW did you get the email I sent you?

posted January 06, 2008 12:13 PM              

The one for last week, when I saw music-man no 1:

Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus conjunct each other within 3,5° in Aquarius and 2nd house.

Mars conjunct Chiron.

Jupiter conjunct Amor (and also conjunct my natal Moon and his natal SN).

Uranus, NN, Psyche all opposite Karma and SN from SCorpio / 12th house to Taurus / 6th house.
And picture this! Transit Karma was exactly conjunct composite Karma by 0°07!
On top of that his natal VAlentine is conjunct composite Karma / SN and my natal Valentine is conjunct composite Uranus, NN and Psyche.

Then there`s PLuto, Isis and Osiris conjunct in Libra / 11th house and all of these are opposite Eros in Aries in 5th house.

Also, an exact Valentine-Juno-conjunction on 5° Pisces.

posted January 06, 2008 12:28 PM              

The multi with man No1 on that evening:

Sun conjunct Mercury in 11th.

Moon conjunct Mars in 21° PIsces in 1st (conjunct his natal Mars and my natal Amor and Juno)

Jupiter conjunct Amor in 12th (conjunct his natal Saturn)

Karma conjunct SN in 3rd house (conjunct his VAlentine and opposite my Valentine)

Chiron conjunct ASC in Pisces in 1st (conjunct my Jupiter and his Chiron and opposite his Pluto and square my NN)

Exact Isis - Osiris-conjunction in LIbra in 8th (opposite his Sun and my Chiron)

the MC was exactly conjunct my NN and Neptune and widely conjunct my ASC.

The multi with Man No 2:

Moon conjunct Chiron in Pisces in 12th (no wonder, I felt psychic about him!)

Mercury conjunct Uranus in Saggi in 9th.

Venus, Jupiter and Uranus conjunct each other in 9th

Mars conjunct DSC in 7th (conjunct his natal Uranus / PLuto, opposite his Chiron / SAturn / LIlith and square my Sun / Mercury).

Saturn conjunct Karma in 4th; both opposite Neptune in 10th (Neptune conjunct my Sun and Mercury and his Sun; Saturn / Karma opposite my Sun / Mercury and his Sun).

Eros conjunct Psyche (4°) in Scorpio in 8th house (conjunct his natal SN and square my Moon)

Isis conjunct Osiris (4°) in Scorpio in 8th house.

And if I do the multi for the three of us and that particular day; I get:

ASC conjunct Jupiter and Eros in PIsces.
Chiron conjunc Valentine in Pisces in 12th.
IC conjunct Karma (Karma being exactly conjunct my natal Karma and man 2`s draconic Karma).
Isis conjunct Osiris in Scorpio in 8th (in all three composites there is this Isis-Osiris-conjunction; and t his one here falls onto the Isis-Osiris of my composite with man no 1).
Mars conjunct Uranus in Scorpio in 8th.
Sun conjunct Venus conjunct Mercury in Cappy in 10th (conjuncts my natal Venus, Isis and Osiris and man no 2`s natal Eros and Venus and MC).
And Juno is opposing this Sun / Venus / Mercury from Cancer from the 4th house (the multi`s Juno is also exactly conjunct my draconic Juno).
The NN is squaring this Stellium from Aries and 1st house (conjunct man no 1`s Mercury / Eros and opposing my Pluto and man no 2`s Mars).
There`s also a very close Kaali-Pluto-opposition from Aries / 1st to LIbra / 7th (and this Kaali is conjunct man no 1`s Sun and my Chiron).

As I said, this looks interesting.

DD

posted January 06, 2008 01:57 PM              

My Davison with that date shows:

Venus conjunct Mars on 17° Leo (orb: 0°20) in 4th house square Pluto on 17° Scorpio (Orb: 0°01 / 0°19) in 6th house
- it`s this degree on the Leo - Aquarius-axis AGAIN

Moon exactly conjunct DSC (and also exactly conjunct my natal NN, Neptune and also conjunct my natal ASC).

Saturn conjunct Valentine on the MC

SN connjunct Psyche in Cancer in 3rd house and NN conjunct Neptune (and widely conjunct Uranus) in 9th house

And his Davision with that date:

Venus conjunct Mars (2°) in Aries in 4th house opposite Juno in Libra in 10th
(the Venus / Mars-conjunction falls exactly onto our composite and Davison NN)

Eros conjunct Psyche in Pisces on the IC-cusp

Sun conjunct Mercury in Aquarius in 3

NN and Amor conjunct DSC (Taurus)
and
Valentine conjunct ASC conjunct Saturn conjunct SN (Scorpio)
(actually this axis falls almost exactly onto our synastric Valentine- Valentine-opposition)

Karma conjunct Uranus in Sagittarius in 1st

Did you think of finding something like this, Eighth Moon?

EDIT: I guess this means that both of us were having an energetic, intense, good-fun-time.

DD

posted January 06, 2008 02:40 PM            

Glad you found these interesting too.

I just responded to your e mail. The way I interpreted these is that they seem to tell the story of what happened on that day.

For the day that the 3 of us in my little triangle were all in the same place at the same time, I did a MultiComp for the two of them (C and V) and the date.

One of the many weird things that came up...in the chart, my name asteroid was conjunct the DC within one degree.

Chiron conjuncted the AC 0 degrees. (Chiron seems pretty prominent in these charts).

When I add myself to the equation, Venus and Karma conjunct the DC and conjunct my natal sun/chiron.

When I take V out of the mix, C's name is conj the DC

When I take C out of the mix, V's name is conj the sun in the second...and his merc and venus conj his natal sun and oppose C's name in the 8th

I'm only scratching the surface! These are more telling to me than many of the other things I've looked at.

posted January 06, 2008 03:49 PM              

Well, I couldn`t find any comparable connections with my multi-composites.

But I found the multicomposite between those men on that evening very interesting. It was all red. Really - tension all over the chart. I never have seen such a red chart before.

Man 1`s name and man 2`s second name were conjunct in that chart, which makes a lot of sense to me. But the interesting thing is that this name-conjunction fell exactly onto my NN / ASC-conjunction. *gulps*

Also my name was exactly conjunct Sun and MC of that chart, and it becomes part of the Grand Cross:

my name / Sun / MC opposite Uranus / IC square Moon opposite Pluto.
Almost like I am kinda "responsible" for the tension between them.

Also, not uninteresting:
the composite Moon conjuncts man 1`s Sun (and my Chiron *sniff*);
also composite my name / Sun / MC falls onto man 2`s Venus / MC and the composite URanus is opposite his Venus and MC.

Yes, it seems to tell a story.
Just look at the involvement of the MC - no wonder it all took place at a public place, while man 2 was doing his job (giving a concert).

EDIT:

You know what is strange?

If I look at my composite with man 1:
my name is conjunct our SN in under 1°

In composite with man 2:
my name is conjunct our NN

DD