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Topic: what exactly IS the descendant?
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Thethirdbenjamin
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posted January 13, 2008 08:22 PM
 
Seams to make sense I have a cancer descendant and althought I whould never end up with a cancer, I've always had a thing for Motherly like females.I almost fell for an aqua that was like that especially when I'm a grouchy Gemini. LoL, she whould handle me sorta like a toddler with a temper tantrum, or even when I'd be upset about something..but didn't show it..she whould know. Whats also intresting, that I didn't relize until I was in the shower is the fact that my Mom is a cancer and my DC is in cancer... now it makes sense why she's my mother. IP: Logged |
NAM
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posted January 13, 2008 08:32 PM
I am not that familiar with Gemini people, I only had my best friend growing up and she was a total two face (not to me) and quiet a bit of a **** (still is), so I had always had that to go by, well, I guess I shouldn't judge a whole bunch of people by one person's actions  so....
If my descendant is in Gemini then what would that mean to me? am I attracted to sleezy guys?????? (oh no)
BTW, I love the girl but she is what she is...I am not judging just stating the truth.
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NeptunianFire
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posted January 13, 2008 09:05 PM
alanabelle- Food for thought. Spoken like a true Sag Rising  belgz- "i only hate one sign and thats pisces and pisces is on my descendant. I just dont like them i think theyre too soppy and emotional." You are a Cancer Sun, Mercury, and Mars. Soppy is a word more readily prescribed to Cancer. Sure Pisceans can be a little spacey, but, no offense, are you sure you are not just projecting these qualities on to them? I'm sure your Virgo Ascendant likes to keep things nice and tidy even if a mess lies underneath. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted January 13, 2008 10:35 PM
I don't agree with hating people based on sign....that's like astroracism.IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted January 14, 2008 12:03 AM
Alanabelle  I am a cancer sun with a Capricorn Asc but I've never attracted or been in a relationship with another cancer. However, since my sun is in the 7th, it may explain why I always attract outgoing guys......even if I'm not outgoing myself. And in regards to cancer traits, they tend to be (over)protective of me. IP: Logged |
astroleolady
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posted January 14, 2008 03:11 AM
The Descendant, the cusp of the 7th house, represents "you" or "them". The Ascendant represents "I". The 7th house is the shadow. It represents what you seek in others that you lack in yourself. The 7th house is not exclusive to significant others and marriage partners. It also represents business partnerships, public relations, divorce and open enemies. Doctors are also ruled by this house.
When analyzing your chart to see who you may seek in a mate, please remember to look at your natal chart as a whole and not just concentrate on one layer of the onion. You need to peel pack all of the layers to see the whole picture. What's contained in the natal chart is the natal promise, which shows the relationship potential available to you.
Look to the 7th house. What sign is on it's cusp, the Descendant? What planet rules that sign? What aspects does that planet make? What house is that planet in? What planets are in the 7th house? What sign are they in? What aspects do they make? Look at elements and qualities of that sign as well. For example, you may have Libra on the 7th, but dated/married an Aquarius or Gemini. They are all air signs. If you have the Sun in the 7th, you may attract Leos. If you have Mercury in the 7th, you may attract Geminis or Virgos. Or keeping with the same example, the partner may have Leo or Gemini on an angle: Asc, Des, IC or MC.
Look to the 5th house. It is the house of pleasure, fun, romance, sex, love affairs and the love that you give. What sign is on it's cusp? What planet rules that sign? What aspects does that planet make? What house is that planet in? What planets are in the 5th house? What sign are they in? What aspects do they make?
Look to the 8th house. It is the house of procreative sex and support from others. What sign is on it's cusp? What planet rules that sign? What aspects does that planet make? What house is that planet in? What planets are in the 8th house? What sign are they in? What aspects do they make?
Look to the 4th house. It is the house of home and family. What sign is on it's cusp, the IC? What planet rules that sign? What aspects does that planet make? What house is that planet in? What planets are in the 4th house? What sign are they in? What aspects do they make?
Look at the angular relationship between your Sun (ego) and Moon (emotions and feelings).
Being a female, who is attracted to males, I look to my Sun and Mars for more information. The Sun and Mars rule males and the Sun the husband. What houses are they in? What signs are they in? What aspects do they make?
If you are a male attracted to females, you can look to the Moon and Venus. They represent females and the Moon represents the wife. What houses are they in? What signs are they in? What aspects do they make?
Look to the Moon. It represents moods, emotions, feelings and needs and is the natural ruler of the 4th house, with Cancer on it's cusp. Again look to it's house, sign and aspects for more information.
Look to Venus. It represents love and partnerships and is the natural ruler of the 7th house, with Libra on it's cusp. Again look to it's house, sign and aspects for more information. Do you have planets in Libra? What house are they in? What aspects do they make?
Look to Mars. It represents sex and is the natural ruler of the 1st house, with Aries on it's cusp. Again look to it's house, sign and aspects for more information.
Look to Pluto. It represents sexuality and transformation and is the natural ruler of the 8th house, with Scorpio on it's cusp. Again look to it's house, sign and aspects for more information.
Look to Saturn. It represents the solidification, commitment and duty in a relationship. You need it. It is the natural ruler of the 10th house, with Capricorn on it's cusp. Look to house, sign and aspect.
Then you can then look at the Nodes, the Vertex (destiny & 2nd Descendant), Chiron (the wounded healer), Juno (marriage contract) and Vesta (vows). Again look to houses, signs and aspects.
You also need to look at Secondary Progressed Natal charts for both people in a relationship, Synastry, Progressed Synastry, Composite charts and Progressed Composite charts to analyze the where, what, why, how and in particular with the analysis of the progressed charts, the when of a relationship..
Personally, I have Sagittarius on the Descendant. I have never dated or loved a Sagittarius mate. Jupiter (ruler of Sagittarius), which sits in my 4th house (picking up Cancer), is semi-sextile my Sun and is in a wide square to my Asc/Des axis. I have Mars in Cancer and have dated several guys with Sun in Cancer and one with Mars in Cancer. I have Sun and Venus in Leo and Leo on my IC. I have dated one Leo. I have Uranus in my 5th house and have dated several Aquarius Sun men. They tend to be my favourite. Again seeking the shadow or other because Leo and Aquarius Suns are polar opposite signs. Now, many of these guys have had Jupiter, the planet which rules my Sagittarius Descendant, on their Ascendants or Jupiter opposite their Sun, which can help them to pick up Sagittarian traits. Again seeking my shadow, the Sagittarius. Many of the Aquarian men that I have dated have had their Sun in my 9th house, again picking up more Sagittarian traits.
Try your own chart. You may be surprised how you choose astrological traits in others that are represented in it.IP: Logged |
Sarai
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posted January 14, 2008 03:20 AM
Glaucus....  Come here and be my friend.IP: Logged |
Mermaidgrrrl210bc
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posted January 14, 2008 03:56 AM
My best female friends often are my decendencts sign. I would probably never date a male pisces though, if only because I've never known one personally and may one day marry my man.IP: Logged |
NAM
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posted January 14, 2008 02:24 PM
So? no answers to my qestions?  IP: Logged |
Vintry
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posted January 14, 2008 04:01 PM
My DSC is in Aries. One thing I can say for sure. I don't like shy men. I just can't stand men who fancy me but expect ME to make a first step. What a turn off! That just ****** me off. So..guess I AM attracted to Aries-type of strong, confident and assertive.IP: Logged |
Diandra23
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posted January 14, 2008 04:16 PM
Perfect Astroleolady IP: Logged |
tbone
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posted January 14, 2008 04:47 PM
My desc. is LEO- Ive never dated a Leo,; although i do prefer to date people who are : generous, romantic, dramatic..etc..
I also have Venus in LEo/Mars IN aries. IVE dated quite a few Aries/ and SAg's. IP: Logged |
Thethirdbenjamin
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posted January 14, 2008 05:22 PM
I was wondering is there anyone else with there DC with a family member??Such as My DC being in cancer and both my parents being in cancer???. I was also wondering whould your DC be a better indicater to who you whould "wed" or what type of person you whould "wed" then your venus and mars sign?? IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted January 14, 2008 05:54 PM
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I was wondering is there anyone else with there DC with a family member??
Such as My DC being in cancer and both my parents being in cancer???.
I do. My DC is in cancer and my father is a cancer sun (his sun is in my 7th too but loosely conjunct my DC). My youngest sister is also a cancer sun but her sun falls in my 6th.
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Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted January 14, 2008 09:01 PM
My DC is in Pisces.. I like most Pisces women.. but I have Mars in Aries in my 7th house.. I wish I could attract some Aries Women 
Vintry, thats a shame you dont make the first move. Cause I usually never do.. Im not shy but I dont make the first move. I figure its been like that for to long. you think cause your women your naturally entitled to take a more submissive role in the act of pursuing but yet you wanna be recognised as equals to us men. well then you can start to go after us as well . I am reserved but I am not shy. I like when a girl comes onto me.. the problem with that is they are usually slutty ones that come on to me.. hahah I guess im SOL looking for a proper girl with an assertive air when looking for relationships. I wonder how many women like that are actually out there.
I guess Mars in the 7th is a sexual placement.
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ErickaF
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posted January 14, 2008 09:46 PM
I loooove capricorn men...but why oh why do they have to be sooooo cold?!?!?!?!?!!?!?
I have always been attracted to sun and moon caps!!! IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency
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posted January 14, 2008 10:41 PM
SeeingStars, quote:
you wanna be recognised as equals to us men. well then you can start to go after us
Your reply sounds as though you are saying - "Displaying traditionally masculine behavior is a *necessary* or *obligatory* condition of being a feminist".. This sentence actually runs counter to feminism. The outlook that a woman is in some way *obligated* to display masculine behaviour in order to be "recognized" as equal is implicitly against feminist views (and thus might even fall under chauvinism).
It implies that traditionally masculine behaviour is in some way above or better than traditional feminine behaviour.. so the only way for a woman to be recognized as "equal" is by copying and displaying masculine behaviour..
Men don't have to copy women to be equal to women.. and women don't have to copy men to be equal to men. Feminism is (at least should be in theory) about having choices - for both men and women.. There are no obligations involved just choices.
If a woman chooses to stay at home with the kids, for instance (which is traditionally seen as feminine behaviour) this does not make her "unequal" to men in any way. The same thing goes for having a submissive approach to relationships.
Neither does it make a man unequal to women or unequal to other men.. if he decides to stay at home with the kids himself - or be the passive party in relationships.
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I'm not shy but I don't make the first move. I figure its been like that for to long. you think cause your women your naturally entitled to take a more submissive role in the act of pursuing but yet you wanna be recognized as equals to us men. well then you can start to go after us as well
There is no difference, in my mind - between this statement and – someone saying: (there are those out there as well) "I am naturally shy but I continue to make the first move – because.. you're a woman.. and you should act like a woman! You think that just because of all this feminist propaganda these days – you are entitled to take a dominant (assertive or pursuing) role. If you want to be recognized as equal – first learn to respect your superiors" It's the same thing.. It's putting conditions – on their "equal" status. Everyone is equal. We were all born that way. You can't put conditions on equality like that. Of course she is entitled to take a submissive role.. She doesn't just "think" that. She actually IS *entitled* to that.. just as she is likewise entitled to take a dominant role. She is entitled to do EITHER.. So are *you* for that matter. Your choices do not make either of you any less than "equal". So SS - if you are not naturally shy, you shouldn't refuse to chase simply because - the traditional view has been for men to chase. This day in age the good thing is you have the *choice* to do either.. so you don't have to be in an extreme or the other. Likewise, if a guy IS naturally shy (as per my example) he shouldn't refuse to *be* chased.. It's a silly reason to behave this way due to faulty political views. Do what comes naturally and what suits YOU. IP: Logged |
BleuArtemis
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posted January 14, 2008 10:59 PM
So, is it of any consequence when in two peoples charts when one Ascendant is the others descendant and vice versa. I have a crush on a Leo Ascendant who's descendant is my Ascendant:Aquarius? IP: Logged |
heart cakes
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posted January 15, 2008 12:20 AM
holy buckets!! wow, this thread has so many interesting perspectives and information!! thanks astroleolady for that in depth, step by step approach. it was extremely helpful to read (for someone so scatterbrained as me)!!and coral frequency, LOVE your feminist perspective. i rarely tell people i'm a feminist cuz it's been dragged through the mud (the label) far too often, but i totally agree! to the last poster, i dunno, but i know i've heard it's good. i have that too and it seems like a balancing thing, basically. can't go further into depth, quite, on it myself as the experience is a new one for me.. but i do find it to be a very interesting and comfortable dynamic, if at times mildly frustrating. IP: Logged |
Thethirdbenjamin
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posted January 15, 2008 12:24 AM
whats intresting is it explains how i fit in with rest of my family.I already explain my ma and pa, now the last poster explains my sister shes a capircorn with a gemini rising and I'm a gemini with a capircorn rissing. inresting how it sort of explains it by accident. IP: Logged |
SagSun
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posted January 15, 2008 03:56 AM
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I was wondering is there anyone else with there DC with a family member??Such as My DC being in cancer and both my parents being in cancer???.
It's not quite the same, but my dad's Moon tightly conjuncts my DC in Virgo and my mom's Virgo Ascendant opposes my Pisces Ascendant. IP: Logged |
Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted January 15, 2008 04:35 AM
jesus Coral, okay maybe the whole equality thing was on the wrong foot. but seriously just go out and go after men for a change. why do we have to be the ones to ask you women to go out? why do we have to be the ones who ask for numbers. who iniatiate conversation.. its obvious traditional roles see's men as the chaser. well what if we are tired of this? this is just an excuse for you women to sit on your lazy buts while we do the pursuing. we practically become your b*tches waiting for you to return are calls or say yes to going out sometime. men are constantly giving women the power.. and we recognize you dont know how to use it properly most of the time.. and this is why you dont get authority. Men = Authority
Women = Power yay! so should we start a debate? Human Sexuality 101 IP: Logged |
heart cakes
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posted January 15, 2008 05:25 AM
woah, seeing stars, you almost had my sympathy there for a minute, till this:"men are constantly giving women the power.. and we recognize you dont know how to use it properly most of the time.. and this is why you dont get authority." maybe i'm misinterpreting it, so an elaboration would be nice, before i step into the debate. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted January 15, 2008 05:25 AM
LOL Augentier at your first post...I don't like Virgo men AT ALL!
Love Leo men so maybe l should pretend i'm Aquarius rising instead IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency
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posted January 15, 2008 06:12 AM
Heart Cakes.. sorry to hijack your thread. I was going to make a new one but then I thought it might be singling ^^^ out... so I didn't. Seeing Stars, All I'm saying is people should have their choices. You can't shove things down their throat, saying - "you should do this" or "you should do that" in your relationships.. I am positive you'll find a girl one day who approaches you the way you want to be approached, but try not to be so adamant about what everyone should do. There are many people in the world. Some prefer submissiveness in women - others in men.. and others prefer taking on a more submissive role. Some like being both. Some like being dominant etc.. Some just like a good balance and equality – (waves at the Librans on the site) quote:
why do we have to be the ones to ask you women to go out? why do we have to be the ones who ask for numbers. who iniatiate conversation.. its obvious traditional roles see's men as the chaser. well what if we are tired of this?
You don't HAVE to pursue! I am in complete agreement on that. But if you were a guy who liked the idea of pursuit.. I'd say you don't HAVE to take a backseat out of insecurity *either*. No one should "have to" do anything.
You should do what you feel most comfortable with.. and I'm sure you'll attract the right girl. quote:
this is just an excuse for you women to sit on your lazy buts while we do the pursuing. we practically become your b*tches waiting for you to return are calls or say yes to going out sometime.
I am so sorry you feel this way. Dating shouldn't be some major power struggle. You sound like you've been burnt by someone.. but it happens to everyone and there are jerks in both sexes. All you need to do is look through all of the posts on here of women who were treated badly or rejected - or had their calls not returned. There are a lot of "love gone wrong" threads. I really am sorry if you were hurt though.. because overall you sound like a nice guy. You should never ever let another person make you feel a loss of power to the point where you'd say you "became their bit*ch".. This is completely unfair. If someone does treat you this way, they obviously don't care and they are highly self centered.. Best to keep away from people like that. This subject seems touchy to you... You bark and bite straight away…
I think it's very important (because I know Cancers usually want affection and love in their lives) that you forget and let go of whatever hurts were caused in the past.. There are many women out there who wouldn't treat you that way. But if you are crawled too far back inside your shell.. they may miss you all together.. or feel attacked by the sometimes gruff exterior and provocative speech. And actually, since you mentioned Aries girls.. I think that Aries women especially can react quite badly to provocative speeches.. It wasn't easy to be calm in this reply to you. Just try to chill a bit.. You get what you give.. That is VERY true.. So try to put out and give affection and calm.. rather than "you sit on your lazy buts" statements.. That will only attract anger. All the best! IP: Logged |
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