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heart cakes
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posted January 12, 2008 10:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is it what you WANT or NEED in the person you are with or people you are attracted to or is it who YOU are or have to be in relationships? it seems to be any of the above at any given time, at least from what i've gleaned, and i just don't get it!!

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augentier
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posted January 12, 2008 11:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, i can tell you what it's not..it's not what you're attracted to cuz i SURE AS HELL don't like Taurus men!!!!

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posted January 13, 2008 01:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^^ Lol that was funny ;-)
It supposed to be what we are attracted to or what type of person we are attracted to. For example if your ASC is in Capricorn your DESC is in Cancer...you will want a nurturing person. But I am not 100% sure. In my case its Taurus desc too...dont like taurus men!! yucko! lol.

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Sarai
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posted January 13, 2008 01:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My DESC is in Sagittarius and my BF is Sag rising. It was like a lightning bolt when I met him.

So, I guess I like my DESC as long as it's the other person's Rising.

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posted January 13, 2008 01:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ericka..that's interesting that your DESC is also Taurus and you don't like Taurus men..you even say 'yucko'..I can relate to that feeling!! Do you happen to find yourself going after Scorp-influenced men more? I think I identify more with my ASC in regard to EVERYTHING than anything else..

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LibraChickety
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posted January 13, 2008 01:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm glad you brought this up, heart cakes. I wondered what the descendant was exactly. It's never really mentioned too often.

Mine is Gemini - and all I CAN say about THAT is that I really only find friendships in Geminis. And the men that I am romantically involved with or interested in DON'T have Gemini in their chart anywhere significant.

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Sun in Libra
Asc. in Sagittarius
Moon in Virgo
Mercury in Libra
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Leo
Jupiter in Libra
Saturn in Libra
Uranus in Scorpio
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I feel so naked

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belgz
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posted January 13, 2008 02:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here i was just telling MCM last nighthow i only hate one sign and thats pisces and pisces is onmy descendant. I just dont like them i think theyre too soppy and emotional.

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ASC: Virgo

Sun: Cancer
Moon: Gemini
Mars: Cancer
Mercury: Cancer
Venus: Leo

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Seeing Stars 7.21
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posted January 13, 2008 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"too soppy and emotional" coming from a cancer sun virgo ascendent .. hah


My descendant also in pisces.. I have funny relationships with them..

lol as Mr. Bond would say "close, but no cigar" I have felt a pretty good attraction to a few Pisces women.. nothing ever really amounts though.. Im not sure why.. I am an emotional guy I have depth.. maybe I wasnt far enough on the karma ladder of the signs to be with them.. hah.. which I think is a load of sh*t. I think the later signs could learn a thing or two from the early ones.. most of the worst people I have known are those of the 2nd half of the zodiac wheel.. well I guess I cant say that.. all are bad.. maybe I just need to find some good people. heh..

but yeah likely one of the cutest girls I had ever met and started to hang out with alot was a Pisces girl.. for this Virgo Asc she was the ideal picture of a Catholic Virgin Goddess. My perfect picture of a woman.. beautiful, virgin, smart, into art and had good taste in music. such depth.. lol all the guys on my floor were jealous! hahah. I remember coming back one night after me and her went on an ice skating date (to which I feel was the breaker but I dont know what happened we just stopped talking and hanging out) but anyways I think they thought she was going to come back to my room to hang out but I ended up dropping her off at hers.. I came back and I opened the door and there was some gay porn being played over and over again on my computer.. hahaha. as*holes failed.. lol but then again so did I.

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posted January 13, 2008 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way I forgot to say I do think the Descendant is a point for attraction the pisces girls that I was going for all had their sun conjunct my DC and I know a couple of people who have descendant in cancer and well lets just say they have held heavy attractions for me.. I heard that the one had told a friend that they had sexual dreams with me for three nights in a row.. lol. FREAKY!!!

.. but then again, who hasnt? lol! im kidding


oh and that point about trying to be more like the descendant in our relationships? I have never heard that .. but it does sound interesting maybe I try that.

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heart cakes
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posted January 13, 2008 03:16 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HMM..

well i don't really have a great understanding of it since the guy i'm interesting has his gemini ascendant (and moon) conjunct my descendant by 7 (and 4) degrees.. BUT is the first gemini-heavy person i have known.. and as far as i know, been attracted to. but for me, MAN is it ever intense.

i am just curious cuz i've heard you can tend to be like your descendant when in a relationship and this guy is the antithesis to direct (what i consider sag), which is his descendant. so here's to hoping it's at least an attraction thing!! i'm quite direct and he's a cancer and i know that's a big part of it (as well as the gemini) and try as i might i just can't stop spilling the beans with him!! so i'm hoping he at least LIKES it.

interesting that some people can't stand their descendant representatives. hmm..

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posted January 13, 2008 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010422.html

This might help.. or it might further confuse you

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SagSun
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posted January 13, 2008 05:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me the Descendant is definitely what I am attracted to in a guy and also what I am like in a relationship. I have Pisces rising and I find myself very attracted to guys with strong Virgo in their chart. And I am also VERY picky about the guys I like.

However, it's been my personal experience that the placement of the ruler of the Descendant plays a major role as well. Like I mentioned, I have Pisces rising and the ruler of my Descendant is in Sagittarius conjunct Jupiter, trine my 6th house Leo Moon and sextile my Libra Venus in the 7th. Now, my SO has Sag rising with a stellium in Virgo and Moon in the 4th.

My SO on the other hand seems to find himself more attracted to girls (and friends) carrying the Sagittarian traits (his Ascendant). The ruler of his Descendant is in Sag conjunct Neptune, square Mars and Jupiter in Virgo and square his Pisces Moon. Now, I am a Sag with Pisces rising and Moon in the 6th.

So, long story short, I think the Descendant actually does influence who we are attracted to, even if it's just by the condition of its ruler.

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posted January 13, 2008 07:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Couldn't it be what kind of relationship you'd like to have?

Although with my Pisces DSC Pisces or Neptunians to me are like flies to sh**.
[and Cappies since my Nept. is in Capricorn]

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Hermes28
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posted January 13, 2008 07:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Descendant (Them) is what you (Ascendant) look for in a partner. Not necessarily the sun sign, but the basic, hopefully positive, characterisitcs. Venus and Mars shouldn't be ignored, however, because this is what you're attracted to, your "type."

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posted January 13, 2008 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The way I see the DC, is this...

I too have a Taurus DC, but it's not so much the sun sign that I want, as it is what FEELING or QUALITY I want in a relationship. I think that, because it is the DC in an individual's chart, it is that individual's PROJECTION of what they want in a relationship, not so much what qualities the other person actually possesses.

For instance, I have a Taurus DC, and I very much want stability (financial, emotional, and otherwise) in a close relationship. I actually like Tauruses ok, but I'm not majorly attracted to them. However, what I do want is a person who can provide a feeling of stability when in a relationship with me. Does that make sense?


On a side note-

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Ericka..that's interesting that your DESC is also Taurus and you don't like Taurus men..you even say 'yucko'..I can relate to that feeling!! Do you happen to find yourself going after Scorp-influenced men more?

I love Scorp guys myself! I don't dislike Tauruses, but I don't exactly favor them either.

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posted January 13, 2008 03:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm..if you put it that way, I guess I could relate...I want a physical relationship with a sensual, down-to-earth person. I guess that would fall under Taurus traits?

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darkdreamer
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posted January 13, 2008 03:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I agree, you have to lóok to sign, houses and aspects of the ruler of 7th house, too.

Also, someone can reflect your "7th-house-needs" in other ways than just having his or her Sun there.

Example:
I have a Gemini DC, with Mercury in Sagittarius in 1st house exactly conjunct Sun.

I have never fallen for Gemini-men, but I am completely drawn to men who are intelligent, charming and witty, with something boyish about them, but who are also very selfconfident and kinda philosophical.
Also, I like a certain "intellectual aggressiveness", you know men who are playful and teasing and yet challenge me to think in different ways. And I look some good discussions and humour.

The men I have felt attracted to, had always something in Aries (Sun or Moon, preferably) and also Sun conjunct Mercury or Mars in strong aspect to MErcury, or even the ASC in aspect to Mercury, and most of them had Mercury in 1st house.

Interestingly, I don`t really fall for placements in Gemini. Strange, isn`t it?

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posted January 13, 2008 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hmm..if you put it that way, I guess I could relate...I want a physical relationship with a sensual, down-to-earth person. I guess that would fall under Taurus traits?

Yeah... Those are definitely Taurus traits. I find myself wanting those kinds of things as well.

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posted January 13, 2008 05:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Must be a Scorpio Rising thing... but I too, do not like Taurus men. Not even the down to earth personality. The only thing I like about them is that they know how to handle money. Well, at least that's what people say to be one of their traits.

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heart cakes
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posted January 13, 2008 05:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dark dreamer, you said:

"I have never fallen for Gemini-men, but I am completely drawn to men who are intelligent, charming and witty, with something boyish about them, but who are also very selfconfident and kinda philosophical.
Also, I like a certain "intellectual aggressiveness", you know men who are playful and teasing and yet challenge me to think in different ways. And I look some good discussions and humour."


OH YESSSS!! exactly!! gemini is my DC too and that is my idea of a perfect relationship dynamic right there!!


wow this is very interesting.. all these perspectives. i think that it must be your shadow side, somewhat, right? so whether you're conscious of it or not, or how well it's integrated, etc, would maybe determine your attraction, or even repulsion..? do you think?

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posted January 13, 2008 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Pisces Descendant,and my girlfriend has Pisces Ascendant. She has Virgo Descendant,and I have Virgo Descendant. so our personas/selfs fit each other's relationships/partnership stuff.

That's Ascendant oppose Ascendant with 16 minutes of arc...there is also contraparallel with 6 minutes of arc....so Ascendant-Ascendant occultation.

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heart cakes
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posted January 13, 2008 05:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
do you find there is a nice balance or a symbiotic thing going?

me and my special someone have this too..

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posted January 13, 2008 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we're analyzing the descendant on pure face value- a level that is more likely to be 98% inaccurate, rather than if you interpret it for whats beneath.

Not every person with a Virgo Ascendant is going to go after a Pisces. Not every Scorpio rising is going to "jones" after a Taurus.

Look to the ruler of the DC, the sign it's in, house, and aspects it makes to other planets in the chart to determine what kind of partners we attract and are attracted to.

The DC is a number of things. Think of it as the exact opposite of the ascendant. If the ascendant in its most general form is the ME, how I see myself, how I project myself into the world....the DC by nature is going to be how you see others, how you view, develop, and to an extent behave in relationships. Therefore, the DC being associated with Libra, as its natural ruler, can give a very basic idea of what kind of partners that we may be interested in. This isn't because we "like" them or "don't like" them. It's more like an opposites attract theory.

If you have an Aries rising, you may attract Libra-like individuals. Libras possess the ability and tendency to embrace the art of REACTION rather than action, to think as an US instead of a ME or YOU. A trait that that the sign Aries "lacks". It's like the Libra completes a void for Aries, and vice versa. Aries teaches Libra about stepping up and taking action, and being independent.

Also, if you have a particular sign on the DC it doesn't mean you'll end up with that sign...

For Example..


I have Gemini on my DC. Generally, I see other people as curious, nosy, busy-bodied creatures..who don't care as much about the true meaning behind their knowledge, and who fuss over small details that don't matter....that don't connect to a larger picture.

Are all Geminis like this? No. Are all people like this? No. But It's how I view people, because through my Sagittarius Rising point of vision, everything means something and theres a greater meaning behind everything.

My behavior in relationships? Restless. I don't have commitment issues but the natural Mercurial curiosity always gets the best of me. I always find myself thinking, I love/really like this guy, but what if that guys better? I wonder what it'd be like to date that guy? Or that one? Or that one? I'm so "curious" that I like to keep "window shopping" when tied down with someone...otherwise I get bored and evacuate quickly. (Unless, the person satisfies my need for constant mental stimulation).

Also, I've never actually dated a Gemini.
However, my longest relationship was with a Sagittarius. He had 5 planets in the 3rd house.

My Mercury (7th ruler) is in Scorpio. He had a very strong Mars-Pluto conjunction in Scorpio. Every man I've attracted/dated has had significant Scorpio/Pluto/8th house in their chart.

My Mercury is conjunct Venus. Every relationship I've had has been with a Libra rising, or someone with the Sun in Taurus.

Lastly, Mercury sits in my 12th house. Every man I've been with has had strong Neptune. From Pisces Sun through Neptune aspecting their Ascendant/Sun/Moon, through prominent 12th house influence.

Shop around your chart before you make conclusions, you may find more than you think.

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heart cakes
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posted January 13, 2008 06:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahh! so interesting!!

well yes that is why i wanted to ask about this, since it is often so vaguely referred to. your perspective makes this vagueness more understandable. thanks!

hey did you come to those ideas yourself or did you read it somewhere? i'm just curious cuz what you say about your experience with gemini on the descendant actually fits me too and i'd never considered that it was like a filter, in a way, through my sag rising. but that makes total sense!! i do see most people as sort of just lacking in meaningful informational persuits, or failing to see the significance in things, etc.. generally speaking. i wonder if your asc/dc tends to draw these sorts more to a person, or if it is simply a matter of perception on our parts? or a bit of both.

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posted January 13, 2008 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I learned the basic technique of understanding the angles and then just researched it and applied it in a way that I better understand it. I mean, we all know how complicated the house systems can be...especially when analyzing each one individually. So, like the Sag rising I am :-), I just look at the bigger picture.

If 1st house = me, then I picture myself, literally. I picture how I act, how I dress, how I look, how I feel, think, etc. I basically correlate it to the most physical "self" in the sense of the word.

The "reflection" or direct opposite of me, would be my "vision". How I see things. Think of yourself as just looking out at other people. If the AC is what youre all about, and the DC is the opposite of it, then whatever sign is on the DC is going to reflect how you see other people, and what YOU feel (cuz the angles are still personal) they're all about in general.

Same can be applied to the IC/MC axis.

I think generally, our matter of perception would be that people need to incorporate more meaning in their lives and search for deeper truths and significance in their pursuits. However, also being that the all the angles are reflective, the idea of projection/attraction plays an important part. Personally, I feel every sign has a lesson to teach to its opposite, that's why we're so drawn to people who are the complete opposite of ourselves (astrologically). Therefore, almost naturally....you draw people to you who operate on a completely different spectrum. A person who doesn't care for details and sees the BIG picture, will attract someone who will take their eyes away from the big picture to figure out how everything works. On the flip side, someone who knows how everything fits together and works, will attract someone who will take them away from the minuscule details to help them understand WHY it works.

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