posted January 23, 2008 12:07 AM            

what about using the other centaurs like Pholus,Asbolus,Nessus,Hylonome...heck there is Chariklo,and that's named after Chiron's wife. Chiron is one of over 40 centaurs.

So if Chiron is seen as the planet of romance,marriage, shouldn't Chariklo be too? Maybe there could be Romantic Super Linkages that involve Chariklo and not just Chiron.

I also feel that they have a narrow view about soulmates like they are just romantic people that you're supposed to be in love.
They say that Chiron rules soulmates.
I believe soulmates are not only romantic partners,but also can be relatives,friends.
Also I don't believe that soulmates is all about living happily ever after. I believe that there can be great challenges with soulmates for instance. It could be a very poor couple that lives in ghetto that's full of violence. It could be like a couple who is very poor,has a child together,and they struggle to make ends meet, the husband works 2 jobs and does whatever he can to support the family. What about a couple who has a special needs child?. Many couples have had problems because of the extra care,responsibility with dealing with special needs kids. What about a woman who is married to man with learning disabilities,and there are significant communication problems because of his learning disabilities like he has problems with speech,auditory processing? What about a couple that includes a paralyzed man and his wife who is constantly taking care of his needs. What about an interracial couple who has a lot of problems because a lot of people don't approve of race mixing? What about a couple who has a hard time because of racism. Those issues can be reflected by a challenging synastry.

Couples come together for many reasons,under many circumstances. They could come together to learn many lessons to each other. They could be teaching each other the hard way.

Maybe some couples are just meant to be together for just a short time and then split up,and move on.

Heck...my parents were only together for 2 to 3 years,and I grew up never knowing my father because he was gone when I was a year and half old. That doesn't mean that they weren't meant to be together. They were....they helped bring me into this world. My mother was a 15 1/2 yr old teenage runaway white girl and my father was a black 29 yr old exconvict(drug dealing)who met each other in San Francisco when I was born. If they had a turbulent synastry,does that mean that they shouldn't be together. Also..I wasn't even my mom's firstborn. My mother had a son with her step-cousin when she was 15 1/2, and she was forced to give up for adoption. That's why she ran away to San Francisco. Seeing that that my mom and her step-cousin didn't stay together, does that mean that they weren't meant to be together. They did have a son. So obviously they were meant to be together for a little while.

Princess Diana and Prince Charles were meant to be together. If they weren't, Prince William and Prince Harry wouldn't be born. It would seem rather unethical to say stuff like they shouldn't be together because they nuclear clash and heartbreak clash. Heck..they had a fixed grand cross,and still I'd think that it would be unethical to say that they shouldn't be together.

Another thing too is that Uranus aspects can figure into interracial relationships. They are not just change of partners,flings. My mother has Venus conjunct/parallel Uranus,and she's never been with a White guy.
They also figure into common law marriages where people live together as married couple but aren't legally married. Uranus aspects can figure into liberals,activism,and people that don't fit in society.

What about homosexual couples? They are not allowed to marry here in USA except for Massachussetts.

What aspects would you find in interracial couples that weren't allowed to be together because of anti-miscegenation laws.

Many long term couples don't care for marriage and believe they can be in a lifelong relationship without being married. They don't believe that they need to sign a contract.

Many couples marry for security reasons and not for love too.

I strongly feel that love,relationships as well as human beings can transcend the boundaries of Astrology.

I don't believe that we humans and our relationships can be examined.

Free will is like the ultimate wild card.

Is is any wonder that Astrology hasn't really passed any tests and not recognized by mainstream scientific,psychiatric,and education communities. It's not because Astrology doesn't work. I feel that it's because its hard to measure a person by Astrology. I don't see Astrology as a science. I see it as more of a metaphysical science, and you definitely can't measure the metaphysical. Therefore,I don't believe that we can measure the soul.

What about other couples who have turbulent synastry aspects.

Why do Magi Society state is Saturn being seen as ruler of anything contrary to Judae-Christianity, Jupiter as ruler of Judae-Christianity,and Chiron as ruler of New Age?

They write that Saturn-Neptune personal aspect provides the native with an unusually high level of attachment to scientific thinking. more often than not,the native is agnostic,an atheist,or attracted to Buddhism.

They wrote
Saturn is the planet of deception;and signifies temptation,deceit,deceitfulness,the occult,and attraction to the occult,and also confusion.

They grouped occult as negative stuff. I am certain occultists would disagree with Magi Society's views about occult being negative.

I also don't get why they wrote that Saturn is considered a sign of being below average.

I don't agree that any planet has rulership of any religion.

Another thing too, Reinhold Ebertin founder of Cosmobiology used declinations. He even wrote a book about declinations. Cosmobiologists do use declinations. They use Declination midpoints too.

Also...the magi quads are similar to concept of Planetary Pictures in Hamburg School.

I also don'tagree that all oppositions in synastry are negative aspects. The opposition resonates with Libra/7th house. The oppositions to the Ascendant aren't necessarily negative aspects.

I definitely don't agree with using a quincunx over a sextile. Quincunx is not Ptolemaic aspect like the sextile is.

posted January 23, 2008 09:42 AM              

I`m still here.

I just don`t want to get involved in to that discussion. Because I feel we`ve already had the same discussion so many times.
And my take on this is all the same:

I gather informations about many astrological-schools, including Magi, then I start thinking for myself and start doing a little research (as we have done on Magi, too) and then I`ll see what is gonna work and what not.

But this decision is something everyone has to do on their own. I don`t like their patronizing tone, that`s true, but that doesn`t mean their results are necessarily wrong or not working.
Some of their findings seem to work fine with me (like planetary geometry - even though I kinda used that concept before, just for myself), others don`t.
I`m still uncertain about the whole Juno-thing.

I was quite astonished about the results of our own little research, finding so many Chiron-Venus and Chiron-Neptune-aspects, remember?

But there are other things I don`t agree with; just as Glaucus said, in my book oppositions aren`t always bad aspects. Actually they are very complimentary, if they consist on a yin and a yang-planet.
Give me a Sun-Venus-opposition anytime. After all opposition connects two signs with each other, that are basically compatible (Air and Fire, Earth and Water).

But I wouldn`t want to miss the use of the declinations, midpoints and planetary geometry.
Of course others have used that, too, maybe even before the Magi. Just one reason more for me to look into it.

And many astrology schools can have good ideas and use them.
So what is the problem with the Magi using declination and the Uranian astrologers using declination, even DArkdreamer using declinations?

The only problem I have with these, are people or schools that claim to have INVENTED it first and making a big fuss about it.
To me it`s all about the IDEA, not the one who had it first.

ONe last thing:
Noone can think FOR you; that is something everyone has to do on their own. The only thing that astrology-schools can do for you is giving you new INPUT, INSPIRATION, IDEAS, so you can develop your own "astrology" a bit further, find the system that works for YOU.

Oh my, now I`ve been rambling again. And I didn`t want to.

posted January 23, 2008 11:23 AM            

I am with you! There are things that I agree with Magi Astrology,and there are things that I disagree with. That's the same with other systems.

Even in Regular Astrology, I now disagree with the use of tropical zodiac, a northern hemisphere season based on zodiac for people born in southern hemisphere.

I now disagree with referring to the lunar apogee as Lilith because it's I feel that it's unnecessary because it's based on Moon's orbit and so has lunar symbolism.

I agree that heliocentric astrology can be important. I have Philip Sedwick's SUN AT THE CENTER,and it's all about heliocentric astrology. He uses planetary nodes in heliocentric astrology like heliocentric astrologers use. He also use perihelion/aphelion axis too. He has some fascinating stuff.

Here is his site describing his book
The Sun at the Center

Once in print, this classic treatise on heliocentric astrology is now available to you in a PDF download. The Sun at the Center covers the history of heliocentric thought, chart construction and interpretation withe emphasis on the heliocentric planetary nodes, perihelia and aphelia. A must for today's modern astrologer to remain up to date on all astrology's modern advances.

Chapters include:

A New Model (history), Sunscreen (soul orientation), Plantary Persuasions (use of new aspects and plantary effects with inner planets), Planets of Persistence (outer planet effects), A Note on the Solar System at Large, Aspects to Consider (about the angles), General Quadratics (quadrant emphasis), Interfacing Priorities in Delineation, The Eagle Has Landed (chart interpretation of lunar landing), A Ban on Booze (examination of the helio charts of Prohibition and its repeal), The Heart of Don Juan (chart of Carlos Castenada), Our Ancestral Father (the chart of Copernicus), Heliology (about the Sun), Cycles (new looks at periods seen in heliocentric), and five Appendices! http://www.philipsedgwick.com/Store/SunCenter.htm

here is a site on heliocentric astrology http://www.heliocentric-astrology.com/

Here is Cosmobiology declination midpoints http://www.aisa.net/astrology/dec-mid.htm

Seeing that you're German, you can probably get a hold of Reinhold Ebertin's Cosmobiology book on declinations. I read that it's only written in German.

posted January 23, 2008 07:31 PM              

See, this can be a place where good debates are headed and im reading this one with attention

Glaucus

i dindt knew about That new asteroid as being Wife´s Chiron can you post some link to read about that one? thanks!

I went see the Chariklo it might have basis for it in sinastries:

my Chariklo is conj my Moon in natal - his Chariclo is conj my Moon/Chariklo

My Chariklo is trine his Venus and conjunct his Kiron

In Composit Chariklo is trine Composit Sun and skuare Vertex
The Composit Chariklo is conj his own Chariklo and my own Chariklo/Moon;also conj my Draco Sun

In Davidson Chariklo is conj Karma and widely..Kiron

The day we met..Venus was conjuncting his Chariklo
T Chariklo was conj his IC and Saturn
T Anna was in trine with his CHariklo

T Venus was also conj my natal Chariklo
T Chariklo was widely conj my Valentine and conj my ASC
T Chariklo was sextile natal Kiron
T Jonnhy conj my Chariklo;T Anna trine my Chariklo

Our Chariklos are paralell and latitude each other in sinastry;

HELIO

My Chariklo is conj his Chariklo(and paralell and latitude)/Valentine/Kiron and trine his Jonnhy

His Chariklo is conjunct my Anna

His Valentine is conj my Vesta - my Vesta is conj his Earth

posted January 23, 2008 08:08 PM              

My main point is you (and everybody) are welcome to believe what you want to believe based on your research/faith/world-views. But it's not necessary to denigrate an astrological system just because you don't happen to espouse it.

The thing with astrology is that it IS somewhat faith-based. Most people who *believe* in it do so because of an inherent, intuitive sense that they are on the correct path in doing so. My specific problem is that despite having practiced astrology in various forms for a long time, I still don't quite think it is foolproof. That is because NOTHING EVER is. And because I am very logical and love researching and experimenting and checking facts out, I gravitate toward doing that with any new (or re-hashed) astrological system being introduced -- the more complex the better. That way, I can really have something to sink my teeth into.

Then again, I do have a strong and partile bi-level Saturn-Neptune aspect in my chart. Also, those two planets are conjunct my angles. So I am mixing traditional AND Magi astrology there.

Anyway, hi DD, good to see you're still alive

Yes, I also loved our joint research. We should do that again sometime. I also loved our joint research on Westran's findings. That was fantastic! I agree with the Juno thing -- not so sure about the Magi interpretation of it either. I think that Chiron linkages are not just romantic. Instead, they yield a really good feeling of pure love and attachment. Romance, IMO, comes from various other supportive dynamics in the CAC. I happen to think Eros is enormously important to romance and sex. And together with oppositions, I also believe squares (and even T-Squares) are actually helpful in certain relationships BECAUSE of the specific personalities involved. Say, you have one person who NEEDS conflict and drama to move forward in life, they might actually thrive on the clashes rather than just the linkages in the CAC, so to speak.

And yes, your last point was mine to start with: astrology is just a blueprint. You do with it as you please. You can delve deeper, or you can just surf the waves. Either way, it's your call.

Take care of yourself.

posted January 23, 2008 09:10 PM            

Diandra,

WOW. thanks for sharing....that's some amazing stuff.

I just looked at Chariklo stuff in my synastry

Her Venus parallels my Chariklo - '03
My Chariklo conjuncts her AntiVertex - '06

Here is stuff on Chariklo

CHARIKLO

This glyph was designed by Piotr Piotrowski as a possible symbol for Chariklo.

Chariklo is one of the Centaurs named most recently. Her orbit is 62.4 years, her eccentricity 0.1694947, and her inclination to the ecliptic 23.39820.
MYTHOLOGY

While most mythological sources agree that Chariklo (also spelled Chariclo) was Chiron's wife, there are differences of opinion as to her nature. She is described as a Naiad or Nymph, and yet on some pictures, she is drawn as a female Centaur. The most often mentioned source of parentage for her is as daughter of Apollo, the sun-god. She was written of as a much-loved and almost constant companion of the goddess Athena.
CHARIKLO'S CHILDREN

In one story, one of her children, Tiresias, accidentally sees Athena naked, and is struck blind, but is also given the great ability to prophesy. In other sources, Chiron and Chariklo are said to have had one son (Karystos), whom nothing special is said about, and two daughters.....but here, too, the names are disputed. Melanippe ("black mare"), who is also called Euippe ("good mare"), had an illegal love affair with Poseidon, the god of horses, and didn't want to live among mortal beings any longer. She asked the gods for help, and they turned her into a star and set her on the night sky. Chiron's other daughter, some mythologists say, was Endeis, the wife of the honest king of Aegina, Aiakos, a son of Zeus and Europa. According to these, Endeis was the mother of Peleus, the father of Achilleus. According to others, Chiron's daughter was not Endeis, but Peleus' wife Thetis, whom Homer knows as a daughter of Nereus, so that Peleus was not the grandson, but the son-in-law of Chiron. However, Achilleus was a descendant of the Centaur - and a great horseman who talked to his horses and was told secret things by them.

Chariklo's orbit, like that of Chiron, is between Saturn and Uranus. If Saturn is an indicator of our apparent reality, and Uranus a breaking down of the walls set up by Saturn, it is easy to see how Chariklo is functioning in the above individual's charts, as well as the charts of the individuals who write science fiction, and are not content to let their minds be limited by the seeming reality they see around them. http://www.zanestein.com/chariklo.htm
http://www.geocities.com/mahtezcatpoc/chariklo.html
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/posts/notes/chariklo.html

Chariklo: (Female) Consort to Athena and healing assistant to Vesta in the temples. Orbital Period: 63.05 yr.

Positive - boundary sensitive, wise, just, non-assumptive especially regarding personal relationship, interrogative about touchy or delicate issues

Negative - judgmental, feeling of being victimized at a glance, assumptive, intolerant, biased by gender archetypes

Mundane - swimming in the nude, eyesight, hearing, flirting, sexual harassment, motivation oriented

Ceremonial - a see no evil, hear no evil scenario, energetic healing, work to clear intent and motive http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

posted January 24, 2008 09:00 AM              

Thanks a lot for sharing that informattion - later night i will see closely the links!

It seems in your sinastry Chariklo is also making nice aspects - see when you both met - for us gave me pretty informations

posted January 24, 2008 12:21 PM              

yes, we should do a joint research sometime again. That was really fun.
I just love it if a distinct pattern emerges from a seemingly incohaerent sum of planets or aspects.

However, I also think that ERos may play a very important role. At least he did in my synastries.
But then again he is connected to Vertex adn Sun-Moon-mp, so maybe I`m not a reliable source, when it comes to Eros-influence.

However, it would be worth investigating it. But to see how strongly eros really figures in, one would have to take charts WITHOUT Venus-Mars-Pluto-aspects I guess, or the results would get mixed up with these aspects.

But let`s say we find synastry chart of romantic and sexual or transformative relationships, which don`t include Venus-Mars, Venus-Pluto or Mars-Pluto, but do have a strong Eros, then we could say that he indeed is an influence "on his own".

But where should we take such charts?

posted January 24, 2008 12:54 PM              

I`d be careful with the orbs with Chariklo, because this centaur moves extremely slow. Only 2 seconds per day (in your chart) -
Pluto is moving 1 minute and 41 seconds per day. So oyu can see how much more slowly Chariklo is.

But yours is a special case, because your Chariklo is being stationary retograde, which means that it might have more meaning for your chart than for other people`s chart.

In my chart for example Chariklo is in direct motion, and it only moves 5 minutes per day.
But she is conjunct my IC (1°35), which is probably too wide to count given her slow speed.
But she is also square my Venus (0°26), trine my Mars (1°23) and trine my ASC (0°28).
In the declinations Chariklo is:
contraparallel my Sun - 0°24
parallel my Saturn - 1°02
parallel my SN - 1°00

Hmm, I guess the Venus-square and the ASC-trine is still valid, since these aspects are exact.
Interesting.

With my "Chance-Encounter", P, I share some Chariklo-aspects:
my Chariklo conjuncts his Mercury - 1°03
my Chariklo conjuncts his Eros - 0°34

his Chariklo conjunct my Moon - 1°14 (probably too wide, isn`t it, Glaucus?)
his Chariklo parallel my Jupiter - 0°44
his Chariklo contraparallel my Chiron - 0°39

And in the comparision with that new interest of mine:

my Chariklo contraparallel his Sun - 0°25
my Chariklo contraparalell his Venus - 0°02
my Chariklo parallel his NN - 0°00
(NOW this an aspect, I would take seriously, given the exactness of it)
my Chariklo contraparallel his Moon - 1°03
my Chariklo contraparallel his Mars - 1°02
my Chariklo parallel his MC - 0°46
his Chariklo sextile my Chiron - 0°11

Glaucus,

do we need to tighten the orb for the declinations, too, or can we use a 1° orb?

posted January 25, 2008 12:52 AM              

Yeah, they'll be tough but I am sure we could find some (I can think of one couple already - though they're "unconventional", but perhaps that's a key?).

Anyway, I think it'd be interesting to find out what exactly Eros means. I've a few thoughts and have done a bit of research already. I'll email you this weekend and we can start setting it up. Been feeling a bit under the weather so I'm gonna sleep it off a bit. Look for my email on Sunday or thereabouts.

posted January 25, 2008 01:45 AM            

I'd use the same orbs for Chariko that are used for Chiron. After all, Chariklo is a centaur orbits between Saturn and Uranus like Chiron, but its orbit is less eccentric than Chiron's.
I'd use the same orbs for all the centaurs.

I wouldn't use more than 1 degree for declinations.

Also...all your natal aspects are within orb.
You're just Miss Chariklo......strong Chariklo influence!

Phil Sedgwick who wrote the Centaurs Report

Aspects and orbs:

Conjunction: 5 Deg 00 Min
Trine : 4 Deg 00 Min
Opposition : 5 Deg 00 Min
Sextile : 3 Deg 00 Min
Square : 4 Deg 00 Min
Quincunx: 3 Deg 00 Min

These are the Centaurs in his report. I had one before,and it was rather insightful.

Chiron - healing psychic wounds of rejection, restoring spirit to body
Pholus - overcoming substance abuses, restoring peacefulness of spirit, use of daily ritual
Nessus - defining need and want in money and relationship with healthy balance
Asbolus - development of and use of full intuitive faculties
Chariklo - assessing personal boundaries, both psychologically and energetically
Hylonome - healing grief and regret
http://www.astrosoftware.com/Centaur.htm

My Centaur aspects:

Chiron:
oppose Uranus - 4'45
trine Jupiter - 2'15
sextile North Node - '02
sextile Midheaven - '41
parallel Ascendant - '20
contraparallel Uranus - '40

Asbolus:
oppose North Node - '31
trine Jupiter - 1'40
sextile Midheaven - 1'16

Chariklo:
trine Venus - 2'06

Hylonome:
trine Moon - 3'20
trine Mars - 3'56
square Pluto - 1'00
quincunx Neptune - 1'58
parallel Saturn - '09
contraparallel Mercury - '47

Nessus:
quincunx Venus - '50
quincunx Mercury - 2'36

Pholus:
conjunct Moon - 3'51
conjunct Pholus - 3'25
square Neptune - 2'28
quincunx Pluto - 1'38

posted January 25, 2008 03:25 PM              

DD -thanks for the Tip! hMMM so ever since an asteroid or planet is retro in our natal it means it has more importance? I always thought that when ones is in retro might mean past conections and things to resolve in this lifetime ( meaning more dificulties to overcome the lessons regarding the concerns of the planet/asteroid in question)-BTW Anna is retro in Joonhie´s chart...and i have a huge amount of retros in my own natal: Jonnhy in the DSC retro; Amor(r),Ceres(r),Pallas(r),Neptune(r),Venus(r),Ceres(r)

Oh now i will start to call you Miss Chariklo as Glaucus wisely stated

Glaucus

Thats interesting List i always thought Nessus was a "bad" asteroid influence,dont know why ive thought that...i htink ive red once about emotional abuse concerning Nessus?

posted January 25, 2008 07:42 PM              

Jonnhy

Nessus conj Hylonome in the 1st house..maybe meaning that for him to cure his griefs and regrets he must find an healthy balance between needing/wanting of money vs relationships own needs? And as its in the 1st house its conected to his own ego/personality?

Asbolus is in his 2nd house:skuares Uranus and kiron adn trines Neptune...so his intuition can be fully awaken through his wounds/regeneration of them and consequent healing?Has to do with his dreams,ilusions and maybe also to do with liberty and total freedom of thoughts?
As in the 2nd house, i see that as finding emocional security and not a material one.
It also oposes his Anna,so i might have a influence on this..

Pholus is conj his MC - skuares NN,trines Nessus/Hylonome : his restorement of peace and Mind has to do with his social status/reputation in the World? As it conects to those asteroids,he should also find a balance regarding money issues and regrets and griefs...

In my own natal:

ASBOLUS conj Venus in the 11th: so my intuiton can be developed through way of loving? Its awaken in social events,with friends..maybe related to my hopes also in life?

Nessus/Hylonnome are conj my Mars in 10th:mars has to do with ideal man,action,energies spent and sex,also with iniciatives. So i can get relief of regrets through my intimate relationships with a person,who will help me also finding baance between needs of money vs relationships needs?

Pholus is in my 7th house conj my Jonnhy - this one im maybe being parcial ...:P but..can i look at this as trhrough a love union with Jonny i can find and restore my own peacefullness of spirit,being with him in a daily routine as a couple?

posted January 25, 2008 07:58 PM              

Interesting also:

Our Asbolus are conjunct exact,and as my own is conj my Venus,his Ab is conj also my Venus(r)- so,we are able to develop our intuition with each other -its conected also to my giving of love to him

His Asbolus skuares my Anna and my Asbolus trine his JonnPaul

His Nessus/Hylonome falls in my 10th ( the same house where my own Nessus/Hylonome are) - his Hylonome conj my Nessus/Mars/Hylonome - so here again a pattern isnt it? He can heal himself and his griefs/regrets with my own healing of griefs/regrets,like if this was a processe that must be taken together and simultaneously.

His Pholus exactly conj my DSC - -OK This time im not being parcial cause really there is another pattern here hihihi

His finding of a peacefulness Spirit is once again conected to a Love Union with me. Not only that but also his Pholus is conj my Johny(r) in 1ºorb.
It oposes my ASC also in 3ºorb.

Ever since ive started to look at name asteroids i see even more astonishing conections and cant be coincidence can it be?

posted January 26, 2008 11:55 AM              

so I am Miss Chlariko?
Somehow I like the name, even though I am not yet completely about the symbolism. I did a list of all the Centaurs, you mentioned, Glaucus, and it seems I have quite some aspects with them in the natal.

Chlariko:
ARies / 4th house
square Venus*
trine Mars
trine NN
square Hylo
trine ASC*
conjunct IC
trine A`s name in my chart *
parlalel A`s second name in my chart*
contraparallel Sun
parallel SN

Pholus:
Pisces / 3rd house
sextile Venus*
squrae Mars
conjunct Jupiter, chartruler
trine Hyl
square ASC*
parallel Sun
parallel Mercury
parallel Venus (0°01)
square A`s name in my chart*

Asbolus:
Leo / 8th house
opposite Moon
opposite P`s name in my chart
squares my name
conjuncts A`s name

Hylonome:
Cancer / 7th house
opposite Venus
trine Jupiter
square pluto*
trine Pholus
square Chariklo
square MC

Nessus:
Gemini /7th house
opposite Sun
opposite MErcury
trine Uranus

And in the synastry with P and A:

Synastry with P:

his Pholus in my 2nd house / my PHolus in his 12th house (probably conjunct his ASC)

his Pholus conjunct my Moon *
his Pholus opposite my ASbolus
his Pholus parallel my Sun
his Pholus contraparallel my Saturn
his Pholus parallel my NN
his Pholus contraparallel my Chariklo
his Pholus trine my Karma
his Pholus square my name in his chart
my Pholus opposite his Pluto
my PHolus conjunct his Chiron
my Pholus sextile his Karma*
my Pholus conjunct my name in his chart

Chariklo:

his Chariklo in my 2nd house / my Chariklo in his 1st house

his Chariklo conjunct my Moon
his Chariklo sextile my Chiron
his Chariklo trine my Karma
his Chariklo parlalel my Jupiter
his Chariklo contraparallel my Chiron
his Chariklo square my name in my chart

my Chariklo conjunct his Mercury
my Chariklo conjunct his Eros*

Asbolus:

His Asbolus in my 8th house / my ASbolus in his 6th house

his Asbolus square my Chiron
his Asbolus conjunct my Destinn
his ASbolus conjunct my Eros*
his Asbolus conjunct my Vertex*
his Asbolus opposite my Sun/Moon-mp*

my Asbolus trine his Sun
my ASbolus squar ehis Neptune
my Asbolus conjunct his NN
my Asbolus square his name in his chart

Hylomene:

in my 6th house / in his 4th house

his Hylo contraparlalel his name in my chart
my Hylo square his Mercury*
my Hylo sextile his Pluto*
my Hylo trine his Chiron*
my Hylo contraparlalel his Saturn*
my Hylo square his Eros
my Hylo sextile his Karma
my Hylo trine my name in his chart*

Nessus: (in my 6th / in his 3rd)

his Nessus parlalel my Destinn
my Nessus sextile his Uranus
my Nessus trine his Union

I`m seeing definitely a pattern here.

His Chariklo and Pholus are conjunct his SN in Aquarius.
And my Moon is conjunct his Chariko, Pholus and SN) and my Asbolus is conjunct his NN and opposite his Chariklo and Pholus.
On top of that my progressed Mercury and Venus are conjunct his Chariklo, Pholus and SN, while my progressed Vertex is conjunct his NN and opposite his Chariklo and Pholus (and my Moon of course).

Another pattern that emerges is his Chiron conjunct his ASC in Pisces opposite his Pluto in Virgo.
And my Pholus falls now exactly onto his Chiron, ASC and my name in his chart opposing his Pluto.

We also share an exact Pholus / Karma - dw (trine and sextile).

Also, his ASbolus falls onto his Destinn and my Eros, DEstinn and Vertex in Cancer, and is opposed to my Sun / Moon - mp.

I think those may be the most important patterns I noticed.

(My Chariklo conjunct his Eros and 7th house ruler Mercury looks neat,t oo.)

EDIT:

His Cyllarus conjunct my Valentine
his Cyllarus trine my Destinn
his Cyllarus parlalel my Neptune

my Cyllarus sextile his Jupiter*
my Cyllarus trine his Venus

DD

posted January 26, 2008 03:14 PM              

Synastry with A:

Pholus: my 2nd / his 12th

his Pholus conjunct my Moon
his Pholus sextile my Chiron*
his Pholus parallel my Sun
his Pholus parallel my MErcury
his Pholus parallel my Venus (0°01)
his Pholus opposite his name in my chart*
his pHolus contraparallel his second name in my chart*
my Pholus parallel his Sun
my Pholus parallel his Venus (0°10)
my PHolus sextile his Eros*
my Pholus square his name in his chart*

Chariklo:
my 3rd / his 12th

his Chariklo square my Mars
his Chariklo trine my Uranus
my Chariklo opposite his Mars
my Chariklo opposite his DEstinn
my Charkiklo sextile his Nessus*
my Chariklo contraparallel his Sun
my Chariklo contraparallel his Mercury
my Chariklo contraparallel his Venus
my Chariklo square his Eros (0°02)
my Chariklo trine his name in his chart (0°09)
my Chariklo parallel his second name in his chart (0°21)

Asbolus:
my 8th / his 5th house

his Asbolus square my Uranus*
my ASbolus trine his Mercury
my ASbolus square his NN*
my ASbolus sextile his Hylo*
my Asbolus conjunct his Juno*
my Asbolus trine my name in his chart*
my ASbolus parallel his Karma*

Hylo:
my 7th / his 3rd

his Hylo square my Jupiter
his Hylo conjunct my SN
his Hylo sextile my Asbolus*
his Hylo conjunct my Karma
his Hylo parlalel my Hylo
my Hylo opposite his Venus
my Hylo square his Mars
my Hylo square his Destinn*
my Hylo opposite his Eros

Nessus:
my 7th / his 3rd

his NEssus opposite my Mars
his Nessus trime my Pluto
his NEssus conjunct my SN
his Nessus square my Pholus
his NEssus sextile my Chariklo
his Nessus conjunct my DSC*
his Nessus opposite his name in my chart
my NEssus trine his Sun
my NEssus sextile his Moon*
my NEssus sextile his ASC*
my NEssus square his name in his chart*

Pattern that I noticed are:

- DW of his Pholus parallel my Sun and Venus, and my Pholus parallel his Sun and Venus

- DW of Chariklo / Mars

- a Grand Cross of my Chariklo (6° Aries), my Hylo (8° Cancer), my Pluto (9°Libra)/ his
Mars (9° Libra) / his Destinn (9° Libra) and my Venus (6° Capricorn) / his Eros (6°)/ his Venus (10°).

- his Hylo conjunct my SN and Karma and opposite his MErcury and my name in his chart

- EXACT DW of Nessus / ASC

Oh btw I read a bit on the centaures on Zane Stein`s site, and the story of Hylomene and Cyllarus made me cry. I felt quite emotionally touched by it (maybe the reason for this is that Hylo is opposite my Venus, trine my chartruler and square my Pluto?).
However, I do agree with Stein that maybe we should look at Cyllarus and Hylomene together; according to the myths they were so closely entangled and Hylomene loved Cyllarus so much, that she even died, when he had died in her arms (reminds me quite a bit of Romeo and Juliet btw). *Sniff*

Well, looking at Cyllarus, too:

my Cyllarus conjunct his Sun
my Cyllarus sextile his Chariklo
my Cyllarus parallel his Nessus (0°03)
his Cyllarus conjunct my Mars
his Cyllarus conjunct my NN
his Cyllarus conjunct my ASC *
his Cyllarus quinkunx my Hylonome*
his Cyllarus conjuncts his name in my chart
his Cyllarus parlalel my DSC-ruler, Mercury
his Cyllarus parallel my Venus
his Cyllarus parallel my Pholus

EDIT:
I think it interesting,that his name is in such strong connection with the centaurs.

- his Pholus opposite and contraparallel his name in my chart and my Pholus square his name in his chart

- my Chariklo trine and parallel his name in his chart

posted January 27, 2008 08:47 AM              

you asked me in another thread, to whom I feel most connected to.

Well, first of all I would make a difference between A and P on the one hand and those actors like the German actor or Jude Law on the other hand.
These actors I just happen to like and am amazed that I find so many connection (especially in the case of Jude Law these connections are astonishing).

But A and P are on a completely different page for me.
I feel actually connected to them in some way; not just this liking you have for your favourite actors, but I feel some sort of actual, even though unexplainable and strange connection.

With P it is a feeling of great familiarity; it`s like he has always been in my life. Being a total strange person to me, he seems so familiar. And on top of that he always manages to make me smile, he makes me feel good with myself.
It hink it might have to do with the fact that my Moon is exactly conjunct his SN; and now this is a time, when this synastric "soft spot" is being triggered big time. By my progressed MErcury, Venus and Antivertex for example. Even the solar ecclipse will fall exactly onto this conjunction between 16° - 17° Aquarius!
And later next months, when I will be seeing him on a concert again, Sun will EXACTLY be conjunct NN on 27° Aquarius.
And, fasten your seatbelts, this transiting exact Sun /NN-conjunction falls onto our composite Pholus / Valentine conjunction and is square the composite Karma / Eros-conjunction in Taurus and also squares the Neptune / Psyche-conjunction in Scorpio, which of course means, our composite Eros-Psyche-opposition.
And this - of course- links to our synastric Valentine-Valentine-opposition, since composite Karma / Eros falls exactly onto his Valentine, while the composite Neptune / Psyche falls onto my VAlentine.
*shrugs* But probably it just means nothing.

No, seriously, it almost seems like the stars align themselves to help us solve whatever karma may be between us.

But as I said above, it is JUST a feeling of familiarity, like he is a family member that I haven`t seen in a long time.

And just remember, how we COINCIDENTALLY bumped into each other last october, how he seemed to notice me (even if we didn`t speak a word), how he apparently recognized me in December.
So, now I will be really curious to see if he will remember me in february. lol

DD

EDIT:

Also interesting:

posted January 27, 2008 09:31 AM              

Diandra,

when I describe my emotional connection to P as a feeling of "familiarity", then the keyword for my emotional connection to A would be "intensity".

There`s something very mysteriously familiar, too; but where the feeling of familiarity with P seems to calm me and just makes me feel very relaxed, this feeling of being "in tune" with A (to the point, that he seemingly seems to react to my THOUGHTS, even if he is only on stage and hasn`t even really noticed me.lol), this "connection" is different. I wouldn`T say it is uncomfortable, but the intensity of it scares me sometimes.

It`s really like the air is crackling, whenever I get physically too close to him. I remember, last time I kinda ended up in front row, which was definitely TOO close, because I could hardly breathe and had to fight this urge to giggle and laugh uncontrollably, just to release a bit of that tension - I lost the fight btw. *feeling all embarassed*

I guess I really do feel some of our astrological patterns like:

- the mentioned Grand Cross of Venus, Eros, Chariklo, hylomene, Pluto, Mars and Destinn

- the T-square of his Saturn / Lilith / Chiron opposite his Uranus / Pluto square my Sun / Mercury

- my Union/Uranus conjuncting his DSC and opposing his Moon and sextile his Sun

- his Eros / Psyche mp conjunct my dr Eros; in the composite there is also an exact septile of Eros and Psyche, with Eros being conjunct his natal Mars and Psyche being conjunct my natal Mars and ASC.
I know the septile is a minor aspect, but it does intrigue me, maybe because my Sun and Moon are septile each other natally.

So, with A let`s talk intensity, electricity and not knowing what hit me, whenever I see or hear him.

Underneath there is also some feeling of emotional depth, too.

HIs Moon / ASC conjunction falls into my 4th house and trines my tropical Sun / mercury and conjuncts my draconic Venus / Isis / Osiris.

Of course I can only talk about what he triggers inside of ME, but that is really quite a lot.

apart from that tension, intensity and energy it`s also, at the same time a feeling like you can have on a rainy day, when you are alone at home, cuddled up with a warm cover and a great book, and you feel just ONE with yourself and the universe, and whatever happens outside doesn`t matter at all. You are you and you are at complete peace with yourself and everything. You feel HOME.

That is the feeling he also gives me, which is a very precious gift to me.
I, with my unaspected Aquarius-Moon, tend to feel really at home very rarely.

posted January 27, 2008 11:11 AM              

I HOPE i wasnt to indiscrete to have asked you that hihihi

Its just that im very romantic and when you talk about them and you go and see one or the other, i always hope that sth more happens - for example start to talk and etc

So, i wanted to know of which one of them do you feel more conected in terms of bwing clost and feeling fated to meet the person ( meet in the way of starting to be with each ohter maybe not daily but starting a friendship and who knows..sth more )