posted January 20, 2008 08:59 PM            

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Sun in Libra
Moon in Cancer
Jupiter in Cancer
Venus in Virgo
Mars in Cancer
Ascendant in Cancer

posted January 21, 2008 02:20 AM              

Magi society's take on juno as sex appeal seems dead on. The idea of planetary geometry while not theirs - is definitely major and a point they emphasize alot. However, most of their other points seem exaggerated or just wrong:

Parallels may add emphasis but are not an aspect in and of themselves. The jury is out on contraparallels and their significance.

The lack of houses and use of the moon seriously compromises their system's ability to get very specific or apply any planet to a particular situation. How the planets fall in houses in synastry for instance is very basic and one of the most telling things about a relationship's long term effect.

Neptune is not a romantic or financial planet. It is about connectedness, faith and dissolving ego. Pisces. The classic understanding is right on.

Saturn is essential in relationships. It should not be avoided. Hard aspects can be managed.

Uranus is not fame although it can lead to popularity.

Outer planet aspects to each other between charts may never be felt if there are no inner planets connecting them.

Signs do have styles and meanings and are important in any interpretation. Pretending they dont exist does not make sense to me.

Their all or nothing tone is a great example of one of the most destructive aspects of astrology.

They deserve credit for giving the quincunx major airtime as a major aspect - which it is.

posted January 21, 2008 02:53 AM              

My interpretation of their approach ( in synastry for example), is that are going to be good AND bad parts of ANY relationship.

What seems to keep people from this simple fact, is traditional astrology's over reliance on house systems. How can you really place that much importance on something that is such a "non-constant". I mean depending on where you were born, AND what type of house system you use, a LOT of peoples planetary house placements will change.. (I myself have no fewer that 5 "traditional" planets that change houses , depending on what house system I use)

To correct this irregularity of approach between astrologers, it seems to me that that they are "spot on" in focusing on what can only be proven "scientifically" ( as in, if it works once, it must work ALL the time).

I DIND'T read Zala's links (yet), so perhap's my viewpoint may have already been expressed in someone else's post. But, the above posters' objection's seem a little off to me. It's like the people who are posting them expect me to take there opinion of what is "right" in astrology , but, offer no way of proving what they say except for the supposedly "understood" notion, that whatever they say is right, because they say so ( remember, no matter how succesful of a "professional astrologer" you deem yourself, whenever you post anonymously, and THEN, have the balls to write with an "all-knowing" authoritative tone, anyone who has a few brain cells left in there head should be allowed to question you.. that is, in a free society anyway

At LEAST, the Magi can give examples of some of there most basic principles,and, if a person takes the time to research their own charts ( in BOTH the Geo AND Helio dimensions) I think that most people will begin to find recognizable patterns that will fall in line with the Magi principles. To me though, it almost comes down to a question along the lines of whose "religion" is most "right" (LOL).

At least the Magi, ( in my opinion anyway) make SENSE!!!!

posted January 21, 2008 03:56 AM              

Dark Dreamer, and Diandra both posted in a thread a while back where they mentioned the significance of the ascendant in Magi astrology.. ( too lazy to look for the post now.. sorry)

Also,they use BOTH the sextile AND the semi-sextile ( Any aspect that is a multiple of 30 degrees)..

They just don't focus on them on their website as much because they only seem to really "pack a punch" unless they are involved in other simultaneous aspects with other planets at the same time. ( i.e multiple same degree planetary alignments)

posted January 21, 2008 05:01 AM              

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They DO use the Moon, it's just not as emphasized on their website as compared to most astrology's focus on it. ( at least publicly anyway).. I think they tend to not emphasize it as much because of the "time of birth" factor.. ( same with the ascendant. time of birth is very difficult to verify, and/or prove, and they seem very focused on what is actually "provable")

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Also,they use BOTH the sextile AND the semi-sextile ( Any aspect that is a multiple of 30 degrees)..

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posted January 21, 2008 05:29 AM              

Also, I feel that the BIG difference between your "house-centric (LOL my term ) and the Magi, is that they use the Heliocentric dimension as well.

If you can divorce your mindset from from house systems, just for a second, and let the PLANETS signify the areas of life you need information on, then, add the Heliocentric chart, you simply get more ASPECTS to describe/delineate the most probable outlook/outcome of any person/place/thing etc.

i.e venus=relationships, mars=initative, jupiter=success, saturn=failure...

Granted, those are pretty simplistic determinations of the planets meanings, BUT, I think they illustrate my point!! )

posted January 21, 2008 05:49 AM              

So, my point being,that, if you are "swayed" by my arguments tonight, It MIGHT be because of the Grand Trine in my Helio chart occuring RIGHT NOW!!! as I type!!! ( Get IT?!!)

posted January 21, 2008 06:01 AM              

I must say, some things are very interesting and gives a new insight into some aspects (even though most things are explained in a narrow and direct way or very dramatic).

I think that made me curious about it is how some aspects are considered 'heart break aspects', as I had one with my ex. He is the one I still kind of think about, even though I forgave him and have no malice towards him (or desire). He really was the one who really did break my heart, and it took me a LONG time to get over him. Even though I am not over him, if I see him walk past me in the mall my chest does twists.

We also had one aspect each that apparently was a 'love/hate' relationship, we liked each other but we couldn't stand to be around each other.

With saying all that I think you should keep an open mind to more traditional astrologies, as well as take what is beneficial from Magi.

posted January 21, 2008 07:36 PM              

Here´s the thread i iniciated long time ago about Magi I hope it enlightens you

Personally i think they do have basis for believeing in the Kiron powerful conections between people in sinastries.

Ive watched clost to some charts and the linkages were always there,plus the Super Romantic Linkages and the Romantic Ones.

They discovered interesting stuff like the Mystical Trinagle and its true - me and my bf have the two of them in our sinastry whch is quite rare and the moment we met BUMP There was nothing to do unless fall in love right away hihihi

Nevertheless,they still are too radical about some of their statements..we must be more cautious and balance our own conclusions after reading their site.

8Moon has the software and kindly gave me the analisis and it was pretty accurate.
I like the fact they use the Helioncentric and the paralells/declinations - there lies some of the missing aspects of regular sinastry and might enlighten some things that occur in the relationships

posted January 21, 2008 10:26 PM            

Here's some samples:

[VESTA CONTRA-PARALLEL YOUR URANUS]
Linkage: ROM/R= +00. SEX/R= +120. CMPT/R= -185. URANIAN ADVENTUROUS LINKAGE. THELMA AND LOUISE LINKAGE. FRIENDSHIP ON THE WILD SIDE. REVOLUTIONARY FRIENDS. BRAVE FRIENDSHIP. Vesta Linkages are helpful to relationships but this is not a Vesta Linkage. Uranus overpowers Vesta and makes this a highly potent linkage with many faces. Most of its faces cause problems in your lives. For example, this linkage can contribute to the two of you doing wild things you would not ordinarily do and should not do - you encourage each other to take risks and do what you should not. With this linkage, it is less likely the two of you will be wise when together.

But if both of you have a ton of great transits, then the added adventure seeking indiscretion that results from this linkage can help you bring about changes that end up much better than one would expect. However, the chances of this happening are slim and is like winning the lottery - in other words the odds are against you with this wild linkage.

[PLUTO SQUARE YOUR SUN]
Activation: ROM/R= -70. SEX/R= -40. CMPT/R= -160. CLASSIC SCHISM. Most often, this promotes a clash of wills between the two of you. This is a highly problematic clash and will almost always have a strong impact on a relationship. When the two of you have a disagreement, it is not easily settled and you can go days without really talking to each other, even if you live together. This Clash also reduces your abilities to work together towards a common goal.

[JUNO CONTRA-PARALLEL YOUR SATURN]
Activation : ROM/R= -200. SEX/R= -200. CMPT/R= -200. THE WORLD WAR CLASH. SATURN CLASH. One of the worst clashes you can form with anyone. You are the Saturn Person of this Saturn Clash. Normally this gives you the upper hand with this person but in this case, it does not. Instead, the most common result of this clash is that unforeseen obstacles block your relationship, and you simply are not able to get serious with this person.

[SATURN QUINCUNX YOUR JUPITER]
CLASH: ROM/R= -200. SEX/R= -00. CMPT/R= -200. NUCLEAR CLASH. You are the Passive Person of this Saturn Clash. From the standpoint of compatibility, this is the worst of all clashes. Almost anything you do together that would help you ends in failure. This clash usually results in a highly stressful relationship with a lot of finger pointing. So if you are not involved with this person, our advice is to not get started. If you are already involved, YOU MUST gather up the strength to make the break. You are likely to be hurt by this person and eventually regret any relationship that you have had with him/her. This is the case no matter how good this person really is. The harm to you is usually inadvertent, and often irreparable.

[JUNO PARALLEL YOUR VENUS]
Linkage: ROM/R= +115. SEX/R= +300. CMPT/R= +50. ULTIMATE SUPER SEXUAL LINKAGE. JUNO SUPER LINKAGE. ORGASM LINKAGE. This Juno Linkage is found more often between two lovers than any other linkage. It creates the highest level of sexual attraction and NEED, and it also helps to create the conditions and circumstances necessary for intimate sexual contact to actually occur, whether the two of you are both single or even both married to someone else. This is one reason why Juno rules the AFFAIR.

The major shortcoming of this linkage is that it is a Juno Linkage and all Juno Linkages are deceptive and fleeting in nature - the sexual attraction and need created by this linkage will not last long. While it lasts, you are in lahlah land and all you dream about is having sex with this person; it is as if you are under a spell, and you are. You are under a JUNO SPELL. All Juno Linkages cast spells and all spells will be broken sooner or later. When this spell breaks, if you do not have other strong linkages with this person, you will wonder what you were doing and unless the two of you have Chiron or Vesta Linkages and other strong linkages, your relationship will fall apart.

Venus, Mars and Pluto, the three Sexual Planets, rule sexual ATTRACTION, but Juno rules SEXUAL RELATIONS. The sexual power of Juno Linkages is next to none. In fact, the sexual power of Juno Linkages is overwhelming.

Before Juno Linkages came along, the three Sexual Planets Venus, Mars and Pluto linked with each other to form Sexual Linkages and these linkages were the most powerful at creating sexual attraction. But when Juno entered our astrological lives, we learned that Juno immediately dominated everything in our lives related to sex and overpowered all of the three Sexual Planets. The three Sexual Planets are all rulers of Sexual Attraction. But Juno is the MATING PLANET; Juno is the SEXUAL SPELL PLANET. Juno is ruler of INTIMACY, SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, ORGASMS and the need for orgasms.

Juno represents having orgasms together.

The difference between Juno and the Sexual Planets can be explained this way:

The Sexual Planets are limited in their sexual power because they only rule sexual ATTRACTION. But attraction between two persons does not mean they will actually become lovers. Two persons can be sexually and romantically attracted to each other and yet never ever actually become lovers. Virtually everyone has had an experience where there was strong mutual attraction but intimacy never occurred. The reason was Sexual Aspects involving only the Sexual Planets but no Juno Linkages.

On the other hand, Juno not merely creates the strongest attraction, it also creates the SEXUAL NEED AND OVERWHELMING DESIRE to have sex with the person.
Juno has dominion over all forms of physical intimacy, including making love. Juno rules the actual sex act and having orgasms. For this reason, unless two persons have a Juno Linkage, they are unlikely to ever make love or have sex together, even if they have a ton of Sexual Linkages and Romance Linkages.

To put it another way:

Juno creates something that the three Sexual Planets do not. Juno creates sexual NEED and ATTACHMENT. It is one thing to be sexually attracted to someone, and it is a whole different condition to NEED someone sexually. Whereas Chiron creates emotional need such as needing someone's love, Juno represents sexual needs such as feeling sexually unfulfilled without being able to have sex with a person, and incessantly dreaming about the person in a sexual way. It is a Juno Spell. This can be good or bad depending on all the rest of the linkages and clashes the two of you form.

posted January 22, 2008 09:08 AM              

I know what you mean

When i red my astrology report sinastry i saw that Juno/Venus one ... although i see Juno as need for partner in comitted relationship ( rather on their affair side of Magi´s view), its true the part of a deep intimacy with the other person as if it was right at 1st sight the most natural thing to become intimate with that person.

Juno for me is intimacy and committment rather on just a sexual attraction

posted January 22, 2008 09:41 AM            

After a brief glance at the official website I decided to go do some over due laundry. The dogmatic and dramatic tone feeds into people's insecurities in a way that I really dislike.

posted January 22, 2008 01:56 PM              

First, a happy, healthy new year to everyone on this board. I hope it's going well for you so far.

Ahem. Magi astrology does seem to ignite argument and a lot of passion, does it not?

So where's DD? She's always the calming voice around here

My opinion on the issue is that it's not that black and white. MA has re-introduced some concepts into modern astrology that had fallen by the wayside in our over-emphasis on signs and what they mean. Think about the "new age" and "astrology" shelves in all those B&N and Borders stores. 90% of those are packed with sun sign stuff. Gosh, what an utter waste of trees! It's no wonder that the general public has such bad press about astrology being complete, generalized nonsense.

While I do agree that the Magi website is patronizing of tone and fatalistic by thought, I think the Magi have done a few things that will stand the test of time:

1) Giving importance to planetary geometry, both in natal/progressed charts and in synastry and transits. When planets and points line up, trust me, things happen. The world shakes, oceans heave, hearts ignite. This is nothing new. Traditional astrology already knows this. The Magi have simply given this center stage again. Paired with this is their brilliant work on Midpoints. Again, they took a line of thought that had already been touched upon by traditional astrologers and gave it center stage. And guess what, they were absolutely right.

2) Bringing back declinations (in geo)/latitudes (in helio) to emphasize chart dynamics. While a parallel by itself may not break the proverbial camel's back, when it's part of a geometry, it can have awesome power that pushes the aspect into the "outstanding" category, be that bad or good for the native/event/synastry. So for those of your wondering why that wonderful sun-moon trine or venus-mars conjunction between you and your crush didn't go anywhere, check to see whether those aspects were part of a geometry. If they weren't, there's less of a chance they would be realized in real life.

3) Bringing back the importance of research. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, show my the money. Please, show me other astrological sites where the research is ILLUSTRATED on the respective sites while explained by interpretation. Not many are out there. Granted, the Magi could show us a lot more, but I think what they are giving us should enable us to do our own research against their conclusions and help us come to our OWN conclusions. In this I totally agree with etheric distortion that most of the posts on this board (and other boards) claim a certain astrological idea via what has happened in THEIR lives. E.G., this relationship didn't last or did. Well, folks, that is NOT research. That is "anecdotal evidence". Please take a page out of Darkdreamer's book and DO the research (we don't all have the powerful software that the Magi do), but astrodienst enables us to do research on a smaller but quite sufficient scale.

4) Bringing the emphasis back on to astrological and planetary ASPECTS. Halleluijah, it's about time!

5) A last couple of notes: I love their work on helio charts. It's much-needed and extremely powerful, especially when you take the helio latitudes into consideration. It's amazing how many synastries of long, happy relationships in my research have a Chiron-Venus latitudinal parallel between them, to start with.

However, in my opinion, while their work on helio charts in terms of financial dynamics is something I haven't researched as yet, I do think that their work on helio synastry needs to be qualified. In my own research, I have found that if two people have really strong geo synastry between them, it's much easier for them to start the relationship. (Mind you, "strong" can mean both good and/or bad). But the helio synastry between people (good and/or bad) only comes into play once the relationship has been in effect for a while and goes deeper. In other words, if you have a lackluster geo synastry and kickass helio synastry, the relationship may not get off to a start at all. This is because while the promise (helio) is there, the engine (geo) lacks sufficient horsepower to get off to even a sputtering start.

posted January 22, 2008 02:00 PM              

Oops, so sorry, I meant to type "sun-moon parallel or venus-mars parallel". But this can also go for longitudinal contacts (i.e, conjunctions, trines, etc) and planetary geometry.

posted January 22, 2008 10:09 PM            

Where'd you get your Masters in Debate??
Just kidding
Nice rebuttal to the "It's Too Black and White!", "It's too fatalistic!" group
I'm one of those that feels more than a tad annoyed at the *absolutes* but on the whole I think it's a great addition to the Art/Science of Astrology.

posted January 22, 2008 11:33 PM              

Azalaksh, thank you. I am a lawyer IRL, so arguing comes sorta naturally.