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LeoCat
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posted January 22, 2008 10:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read a lot about people using personal name asteroids but I haven't read anything on the "Union" asteroid 1585 or "Destinn" asteroid 6583. Try them, they're amazing! Especially Union!

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SagSun
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posted January 23, 2008 03:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like using Union when looking at synastry charts.

In the synastry chart with my SO my Union exactly conjuncts his North Node and his Union exactly conjuncts my Pluto. Another interesting thing I noticed ... the day we met transiting Juno was tightly conjunct his natal Union and transiting Union was conjunct my natal IC. In our first meeting chart Union conjuncts the Vertex.

I have yet to look at Destinn ... but I will definitely check it out.

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LeoCat
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posted January 23, 2008 03:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, isn't Union amazing? How it tightly conjuncts other planets, asteroids and angles in those cases? I'm still stunned over it.

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SagSun
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posted January 23, 2008 04:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, I now also looked at our connections with Destinn ... it's really quite fascinating. My Destinn tightly conjuncts my SO's North Node. His Destinn conjuncts my Mars and Eros and sextiles my Moon. I also just noticed that both my Union and Destinn trine his Sun. The day we met he had transiting Destinn tightly conjunct his natal Venus and trine his natal Destinn. I had transiting Destinn opposition my natal Moon and trine my natal Mars and Eros.

Astrology never ceases to fascinate me

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LeoCat
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posted January 23, 2008 04:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know! Isn't it amazing? From now on I'm using these two asteroids in all my progressed charts!

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Glaucus
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posted January 23, 2008 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some asteroid geniuses here

My Destinn is in 29'32 Libra
My Eros is in 29'08 Libra
My Union is in 28'08 Sagittarius

and they aspect my girlfriend's:
Union in 29'08 Aries
Stationary Neptune in 29'14 Sagittarius
Lunar Nodes in 28'25 Gemini/Sagittarius
Pluto in 28'41 Libra

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Mhax
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posted January 23, 2008 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mhax     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MMMmmmm I have my Destinn in exact conjuction with my Venus...

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darkdreamer
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posted January 23, 2008 04:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Destinn conjunct my Vertex. So either way you look at it, it spells fate. LOL
And to make matters even worse, this conjunction is conjunct Eros and opposite Sun-Moon-midpoint.

Sun-Moon-mp: 21°32 Capricorn
Vertex: 21°28 Cancer
Eros: 21°00 Cancer
Destinn: 23°18 Cancer

My Union: 29°50 Libra (conjunct Uranus and the 11th house cusp).


Glaucus,

I see your girlfriend`s Pluto is conjunct your Eros - how does that feel like? Or what are the effects of this, if you don`t mind telling me?
I`m curious because there`s someone whose Pluto exactly sextiles my Eros and my Pluto widely (3°) squares his.

DD

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posted January 23, 2008 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

DD,

honestly I don't know what kind of effect my Eros conjunct her Pluto has

It seems to finetune the very strong sexual chemistry,connection,and attraction synastry

Her Sun,Mercury,Mars are in my 8th house and my Sun,Mercury,and Venus are in my 8th house.

My Sun in Scorpio conjunct her Moon-Saturn in Scorpio.

Also in our composite,
Pluto in Libra in 5th trine Venus in Aquarius in 8th and Ascendant in Gemini

I have went from California to Vermont to visit her twice, and well...the chemistry was just amazing.

even in Cosmobiology:
my Sun = her Venus/Mars = Venus/Pluto
her Sun = my Venus/Mars


She and I met online in an astrology chatroom.I knew she and I would really hit it off on the telephone,and I was right. I knew that she and I would really hit off in person and I was right. I knew this from Astrology.


Synastry definitely works!

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LeoCat
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posted January 23, 2008 04:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, must be fantastic chemistry between you guys to keep up such a long distance relationship.

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Glaucus
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posted January 23, 2008 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH!

It won't be long distance for long. I plan on moving to the New England area to be with her by this summer. There are some delays,and it has to do with she and her mom relocating as well as getting the right employment and finding a good home. Things like low crime rate are factors. They are very safety conscious.

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posted January 23, 2008 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that all the asteroid synastry is pretty cool, but I see it as more of a finetuner for indicators that are already there.

My regular Astrology shows strong relationship stuff. She and I even have the classic relationship Astrology stuff. Our Ascendants in tight opposition and contraparallel. Her Venus trines my Ascendant. My Sun conjunct her Moon-Saturn,and my Moon trines all that.

Cosmobiology shows it..stuff like my Sun oppose her Ascendant/Node midpoint,my Moon conjunct her Venus/Midheaven midpoint,my Venus conjunct her Moon/Jupiter midpoint,her Sun oppose my Sun/Ascendant midpoint,My Node conjunct her Sun/Jupiter midpoint,and her Midheaven conjunct Sun/Node midpoint,

Even Magi Astrology shows it with numerous Romantic Super Romantic Linkages and 2 Sexual Dragons.


There are so many ways to examine the chemistry between 2 people.
I don't think that any aspect is the be all,end all.

So many factors.

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darkdreamer
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posted January 23, 2008 05:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glaucus,

yes, those are definitely some very potent aspects for chemistry.
And I guess it`s the sum of these aspects, that indicate that attraction astrologically. One aspect alone wouldn`t suffice to trigger that kind of chemistry, and with so many it`s hard to say what triggers exactly what.

In the case I mentioned there are some more of these connections, too.

His NN falls into my 5th house.
My Mars, ASC and NN fall into his 8th house.

His Venus and Eros are conjunct my Venus.
His Mars and Destinn exactly conjuncts my Pluto.
And his Mars/ Destinn squares my Venus, and my Pluto squares his Venus and Eros.
His Pluto sextiles my Eros.

And in the composite Pluto is in the 8th house square Sun in the 11th. (and very widely opposite Moon - but the orb is so wide, I guess I wouldn`t really count it; But Pluto is also opposite the midpoint Moon / Chiron by 18 minutes).
Uranus, the ASC-ruler, is also in the 8th house exactly conjunct Eros.
Cupido is also exactly conjunct Mars in Scorpio and sextile Venus.

I guess this spells a lot of transformation. lol

BTW the one man I once believed was my destiny has his Destinn on 20°40 Cancer setting off all my Destinn / Vertex/ Eros / Sun-Moon-mp action.
(His Mars was on 20°14 PIsces and his Juno on 21°23 Taurus)

DD

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augentier
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posted January 23, 2008 05:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What. the. hell. I keep finding myself saying "of course" when I use these asteroids that people keep mentioning..the name ones, and now these..

In my guy's chart, his first & last name, my first name, AND union AND destinn are all conjunct (in his 9th house). My last name is his chart is conjunct my union. My destinn is in my 4th house w/ his first and last names.

What would you interpret that ^ as ? It's almost seeming ridiculous to me how many "good" aspects we have in synastry. Keeps growing and growing..

In our composite, Destinn in the 7th house and Union in the 12th...
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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

No man is free who is not master of himself.

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Diandra23
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posted January 24, 2008 08:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive always used those two in sinastry

In fact those are two of my favorites hihihi cause:

My Union/Destinn both conjunct exactly my Bf´s ASC

His Union/Moon falls into my 5th house while my Juno/VX conj his Karma;

His Union skuares my Moon exact, trine my Pluto/NN

His Destiny conj my DSC and my Johnny ;trines my karma

COMPOSITE

Union is in the 9th house,trine Venus - it conjunct my natal Juno and conjunct Jonnhy´s natal Karma!

Destiny is in the 10th trine Jonnhy and skuares ASC

DAVIDSON

Union in the 8th,conjunct Venus - conjuncts my natal DSC and John´s Draco ASC!!!

DayWeMet

T Destinn was conj JOhn´s natal Venus
T Union was conj JOhns natal VERTEX in the 5th
T venus was conj his natal karma

T Destiin was conj my Merc(sun ruler),trine karma/valentine and Jonnhy in my natal
T Union was trine Saturn and conj my NN
T Valentine was conj my UNION/DESTINY
T Jonnhy was conj my UNION/DESTINY
T Saturn was conj my natal Valentine also

You can see why i adore these 2 asteroids so much...they are amazing on their effects in sinastry

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darkdreamer
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posted January 24, 2008 09:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diandra,

regarding the Transits - how tight was the orb?
Those connections look AMAZING.

Funny, but on the day of the concert (when that chance encounter took place) Tr-Destinn was exactly trine Tr-Saturn (with an orb of 1 minute arc) and also trine Tr-SN (with an orb of 9 minutes arc).

And Tr-Destinn was conjunct my Venus: 0°31
Tr-Saturn was trine my Venus: 0°32
Tr- SN was trine my Venus: 0°22

Tr-Destinn was trine my PoM: 2°19
Tr-Destinn was trine P`s Venus: 1°39
Tr-Destinn was trine P`s Karma: 2°05
Tr-Destinn was trine P`s Venus / Karma: 0°15
- it means t hat P`s Karma is also conjunct my PoM by 14 minutes
Tr-Destinn trine P`s Pluto: 2°21

Tr-Saturn/ SN trine my PoM:
Tr-saturn / SN trine P`s Venus / Karma
Tr-Saturn / SN conjunct P`s Pluto.

It means basically that the Grand Trine of my Venus in Capricorn, my PoM, his Venus and Karma in Taurus and his pluto in Virgo (which falls onto his DSC) have been triggered by the Transiting Trine of Destinn to Saturn / SN with Destinn conjuncting my Venus (and his Venus-Pluto-midpoint) and Saturn / SN conjuncting his Pluto and DSC.

Phew, no wonder this has been an intense experience for me.

DD

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posted January 24, 2008 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
those are extremely interesting observations, but i think darkdreamer hit on something to remember - if you have TOO many points on a chart, it starts to confused the issue. and if you take away all the extras that don't belong in classic astrology, is what you have left significant in terms of aspec ts? steven forrest said the same thing, you can keep adding points to infinity but they may OBSCURE the big/root picture...doesn't make them any less interesting but without the major stuff, how important are they?

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darkdreamer
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posted January 24, 2008 10:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Katatonic,

I agree. First you have to check the basic stuff. I am not even talking synastry here, but a comparision of the natals. Are those people what they need, mutually?
Do they have common ground?
Are they complimenting each other?

Then I look at the basic synastric stuff. For example: If the Big 3 have NO aspects to each other, I start doubting that this relationship would be able to develop very deeply.
Also, what about Venus and Mars aspecting Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC or ruler of 1st or 7th house?
No aspects here? Well, then they probably can have DOZENS of asteroid-aspects, it would be too subtle to notice.

But I DO take notice of very exact aspects, even with asteroids, especially with Juno and Eros (just my personal favourite ).

But I`d like to keep the orbs rather tight. And I put heavy emphasis on aspects under 1 degree. I suppose those are the ones really felt. And if there is a conjunction or opposition under 1° - it seems to me like real strong stuff.

But after having narrowed it all down I like to open up to the finetuning again.

DD

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Diandra23
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posted January 25, 2008 08:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD

REgarding the orbs of aspects:

T Destinn(r) conj Johns natal Venus(1º)
T Union(r) conj JOhns natal VERTEX in 5th(3º)
T Venus conj Johns natal Karma(well this one is pretty loose i guess hihi 7º)

Also T Union(r) was kikunkx his Anna exact and in a 4º was conj his ASC

T Karma(r) was conj his VX(3º);opose Valentine(2º) and trine Destinn(0º)

T Anna was trine his Mars/Uranus(2º)

T Jonnhy was trine his Sun(2º) and exactly squaring his Anna

T Destinn(r) was trine his Anna(3)

T LIebe(r) was conj his Venus(1)

T Lova was conj his Saturn/Jup/Pluto tight

T Moon was conj John´s asteroid Jonnhy(0)

Do you think the fact that so many asteroids being in retro that day can mean sth important?

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Diandra23
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posted January 25, 2008 09:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding my Transits on that day orbs were: I just put the ones with 3ºorb:

T Destinn was exactly conj my Lova; trine exact Saturn;conjunct in 1º my Jonnhy

T Union(r) was conj my own Union(1º) and my Destinn(3º) , skuared Saturn(0º) and Juno(2º)

T Valentine(r) was trine my Moon(1º) and con Neptune(3º)

T Karma(r) was trine my own Karma(3º)and Jonnhy(3º)

T JohnPaulJones was conj my NETUNE and Opose my NN(3º)

T Anna was conj my Union(3º)and widely my Destiin(4º), and trine Uranus(1º)-my 5thruler

T Jonnhy was skuare my Sun(2º),opose Uranus(3º),conjunct KIRON exact;conj my JohnPaul Jones(1º)

T Liebe(r) was exactly conj my Lova

T Lova was exactly trine my NN

T Saturn was conj Mars(2º)/Valentine(2º)

T NN was exactly trine my Union

Juno was exactly conj my Union/Destinn

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posted January 25, 2008 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
omg.... his destiny completely opposes my venus... conjuncts my SN,,,
and my destiny is conj same degree to his pluto... is this doomed?

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posted January 25, 2008 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fluke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm... his Union at 23'38 Aries conjunct my Eros at 24'5 Aries... Interp: He wants to get me in bed??

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Diandra23
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posted January 25, 2008 10:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theres more!!

I saw also the days when we started to date and the day of our Love Chart hihihi

Daw Date:

T Venus was conj my NN(4º) and trine my AC(4º)
T Anna was conj mars(4º)/Karma(4º) adn Valentine ! (1º) - was trine my jONNHY(2º) - THis is fantastic , see how the name frequencies are working here..

T Union was conj Karma(1)/Valentine(4º) and once again trine my Jonnhy

T Karma was trine my Karma/Valentine(1º) and trine my JOnnhy once again (1º)

T Valentine was skuare my Jonnhy/Liebe/ASC(3º)

T JohnPaul opose my NN(2º)

T Jonnhy sextile Karma/Valentine(1) and trine my ASC exact and my Liebe(3º)

T Destinn exactly skuared my JOnnhy and ASC

T SATURN WAS exactly conj my Karma/Valentine

These even look more fantastic than the other ones

On his all Moon/Valentine/Union/Pluto were transiting his 5th house..

T Union was trine MC/Destinn(2º) and conj his Lova(3º)

T Karma was conj is VX(2),trine all his MC/Lova/Destinn

T Valentine was skuare his Destinn(0)

T JOhnPAUL Was conj his VX(4)

T Anna was opose his Moon(3),trine his VX/Destinn/MC(3)

hIS T ANNA Was conj his Lova(0)

T JOnnhy was ocnj Valeninte(1)

T Destinn conj his NN(1)

T Liebe conj his SUn(2) and exaclty kikunks his Anna

T Lova was exactly conj saturn,Pluto(2),exactly trine Union

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katatonic
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posted January 25, 2008 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
alia - south node may indicate what you are moving away from but also gifts you bring with you from past lives. and conjunctions in synastry with SN and/or Pluto COULD indicate that you have been together before. not good or bad in itself...!

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Alia
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posted January 25, 2008 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank u katatonic... is exactly the feel i have when im around him..familiarity...like we know eachother...
although he s on the run now...
his uranus is conj my south node too...
he is very uranus with me..broke up out of the blue and run away w out a word,,, my ruler of 7th is uranus,,, im aqua DC and he is aqua rising...our venuses are conjunct same degree and my NN is conjunct to his venus jupiter and sun and SN .i dont know if i ll ever see him again,,,i seem i cant get him out of my heart despite what he did to me..

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