posted January 31, 2008 02:26 PM            

I feel that doctors aren't taking hormone imbalances in men
seriously. When a man comes to a doctor and voices his concerns about
symptoms of hormone imbalance,and the doctor says that it's nothing
and that's its in all his head and even refers him to a psychiatrist,
it's a problem. Maybe he is right? Maybe he isn't. How does he know
without even bothering to examine that person? There is such thing as
andropause which has to do with drop in testosterone levels after you
reach 40 which can lead to not only sexual dysfunction,but emotional
problems like depression and irritability. I stress the importance of
ruling out medical conditions before giving a psychiatric diagnosis.
I don't see why people don't get that. Doctors make mistakes. That's
why they have malpractice insurance. If they mess up, they can get
sued. I feel that man with hormone
imbalances that gets diagnosed as a psychiatric disorder is a major
misdiagnosis. If they take medication,it can mess up their bodies.
Imagine a person with low sex drive because of low testosterone, and
he takes an antidepressant that even lowers his sex drive even more.
Antidepressants are known to cause sexual dysfunction. These are more
likely to cause it in men with hormone imbalances. If the man is
depressed, how in the world is sexual dysfunction going to cheer him
up? I talked to my primary care doctor who agreed that with my low
testosterone,antidepressants can cause impotence in me because I have
low sex drive to begin with. Sex has never been important in my life.
I never really felt the strong urge to have sex in general. I always
felt that romance and love was more important than sex. I hated when
guys talked about sex so much when I was a teenager and when I was in
the military. I didn't see women as sex objects and didn't believe in
them being treated that way. I believed in love and romance. I even
need a spiritual,romantic,love connection before I can have sexual
intercourse. I don't even like to refer to that as the f'word either.
I prefer using the phrase, "making love". There is nothing wrong
with that. I remember using that phrase,and a guy got on my case.
That was in my freshman year in high school,and it made me feel like I
am weird. I shouldn't have to feel that way. Males that are
feminine,gentle,and sensitive shouldn't have to feel like outcasts.
Men that are nurses,massage therapists,cosmetologists,fashion
designers,and intuitive consultants aren't necessarily gay either. I
got accused of being gay and called a gay slur for saying that I am a
massage therapy student. Heck....Before I even got into Astrology, I
wouldn't have even considered being a massage therapist. Astrology
helped me understand that my ultrasensitivity and compassion can be
channeled into holistic healing arts. I do wonder if my hypogonadism
is a huge influence in my personality. I am starting to realize that
it is. After all, it can lead to having strong feminine traits. It
doesn't necessarily mean that you are gay nor mentally ill. Doctors
shouldn't be telling you that. If he does,he's a real bigot and very
ignorant. The psychiatrist who first misdiagnosed me as having
bipolar disorder noted that I was a bit effeminate in my medical
record. That was like a slap in the face. He didn't consider that I
have hormone imbalances nor didn't he consider my
rambling,tangential,disorganized speech was Dyslexic-related and not
psychotic. Neptune isn't just psychiatric disorders. It is also
misdiagnoses. Heck..it's also confusion. I even been referred to as
being "confused" because of my mixed
Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,Puerto Rican,Native
American,and Jewish ancestry. In a rulership book, Neptune rules
mulattoes too! Many people who are "different" have been
misdiagnosed due to ignorance which is not bliss.

But yeah....if you have problems with depression and irritability,
consider seeing an endocrinologist and not just a psychiatrist. I
wish that I had saw the endocrinologist years ago instead of thinking
my mental health problems were psychiatric. Heck...should have been
checked when my voice didn't get deep in puberty too.

I think that being an advocate for hypogonadism might also be my life
purpose and not just being an advocate for learning disabilities and
developmental disorders which I also have a history of.

I have this Cosmobiology Health Report Program. I bought it in 2003. I
love it,and it's very insightful. I always felt more comfortable with
using Cosmobiology for medical astrology stuff and not focusing on
signs and houses. Like cosmobiologists, I use declinations too.
Cosmobiologists also use declination midpoints too. I have
Cosmobiology book by Eleanor Kimmel that used declination midpoints. .
Cosmobiologists don't use orbs of more than 5 degrees for regular
longitude aspects.

I have numerous indicators for hypogonadism too. The following are
interpretations from the report program. Glandular system is also
known as the Endocrine System.

Mercury aspect to Venus: (conjunction and parallel in my case)
This influence could bring the possibility of erratic glandular
secretions.

Venus aspect to Mars: (square in my case)
You could be susceptible to kidney or bowel problems, sexual
disorders and for women menstrual irregularities. There also is a
tendency for blood disorders or varicose veins.

Venus aspect to Saturn: (quindecile,and aspect that Noel Tyl uses and
contraparallel in my case)
There is an inclination to insufficient secretion of the gland
system, glandular atrophy, enlargement of glands, goiter and possible
kidney ailments, phlebitis or female disorders.

Venus aspect to Neptune: (parallel in my case)
The function of your glandular system, kidneys or reproductive organs
tends to be weak and you could be prone to enlargement of the glands.

Venus = Neptune/Node (semisquare and parallel in my case)
There could be a possibility of weakened glandular functions,
reproductive organs or kidneys.

Mars = Venus/Neptune (square my case)
You have a tendency to premature weakness of your genitals. Your
fertility tends to be low and you could be subject to infections of
the genital organs, diseases of the kidneys and appendicitis. You also
may have lesbian or homosexual wishes.
(not gay.........seems like they equate hypogonadism with being
gay,and thats necessarily the case)

Neptune = Venus/Asc (semisquare in my case)
Your immune system is inclined to be weak and you may be subject to
allergies and disturbances in your glandular system or kidneys

Neptune = Mars/Jupiter (semisquare in my case)
Your vitality tends to be a bit weak and you have a tendency to
insufficient digestion. You could be susceptible to infections, blood
disorders, pulmonary diseases, weak function of the genitals and for
women delayed or difficult births.

Neptune = Venus/Midheaven (square in my case)
You are inclined to be unsatisfied or unhappy in love and may have a
strange attitude toward love that could lead to psychosomatic
complaints.
(ummm....having hypergonadism would definitely lead to having problems
in my love life...especially if women reject me for not being
masculine enough)

COSMOBIOLOGY ASPECTS FOR GLANDULAR PROBLEMS
(conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,parallel,contraparallel)

Note: These are in the Cosmobiology Health Report. Also..there can be
other configurations that could indicate hormonal imbalances. Nothing
is set in stone. Also if you have any of these indicators,it doesn't
necessarily mean that you have hormonal imbalances. I feel that it
would have to take numerous indicators or very close orbed indicators
to indicate a hormonal imbalance. I also feel that
genetics,environment are factors too. Also...with Neptune
configurations, make sure that you are not getting misdiagnosed.

Moon aspect to Venus:
With other adverse aspects there could be a tendency to glandular or
kidney problems and menstrual or hormonal disorders.

Mercury aspect to Venus:
This influence could bring the possibility of erratic glandular
secretions.

Venus aspect to Mars:
You could be susceptible to kidney or bowel problems, sexual
disorders and for women menstrual irregularities. There also is a
tendency for blood disorders or varicose veins.

Venus aspect to Saturn:
There is an inclination to insufficient secretion of the gland
system, glandular atrophy, enlargement of glands, goiter and possible
kidney ailments, phlebitis or female disorders.

Venus aspect to Uranus:
You may be subject to fluctuations of your hormone system which could
affect your sexuality. Glandular problems, especially in connection
with the kidneys, are also possible.

Venus aspect to Neptune:
The function of your glandular system, kidneys or reproductive organs
tends to be weak and you could be prone to enlargement of the glands.

Venus aspect to Pluto:
Your sexual drive and power of procreation tends to be unusually
strong. With other adverse aspects there could be potential glandular
problems or kidney disorders.

Venus aspect to Node:
In combination with other adverse aspects there could be a tendency to
problems involving the reproductive and glandular system.

Mars aspect to Node:
In connection with other adverse aspects there could be disorders in
the muscular system, reproductive system or adrenal system.

Moon = Venus/Mars
You are likely to radiate emotional balance and tend to have a healthy
bodily resilience. With other afflictions there could be a tendency to
disorders of the kidneys or reproductive organs.

Moon = Venus/Neptune
You may be given to moodiness and could have a tendency to disturbed
glandular functions. There also could be a weakness of the genital
system.

Moon = Mars/Neptune
Your potency tends to be low and you could be subject to accumulation
of fluid in the tendons, muscles and joints. There also is a tendency
for infections, weakened reproductive organs, and ill effects of
indulgence in alcohol, tobacco etc.

Venus = Sun/Neptune
You tend to have a weakly constitution along with a somewhat weak
glandular system. There is a potential for kidney disease and for
women debilitation of the female organs

Venus = Moon/Neptune
You may be given to moodiness and could have a tendency to disturbed
glandular functions. There also could be a weakness of the genital
system.

Venus = Mercury/Neptune
The function of your glandular- and hormone system as well as your
genital system tends to be a bit weak. There also is a tendency toward
homosexual or lesbian ambitions.

Venus = Mars/Neptune
You have a tendency to premature weakness of your genitals. Your
fertility tends to be low and you could be subject to infections of
the genital organs, diseases of the kidneys and appendicitis. You also
may have lesbian or homosexual wishes.

Venus = Jupiter/Saturn
The strong variation between your fulfillment and denial could have a
hormonal effect and may lead to blockages in your hormone system.

Venus = Saturn/Uranus
You tend to suppress your sexuality and because if it could be
subject to organic disturbances. There is a possibility of prostatic
hypertrophy and for women vaginismus and late or difficult birth.

Venus = Saturn/Neptune
You may be subject to diseases caused by mental distress, lack of
affection and love. There is a tendency for sexual problems, deficient
glandular activity and kidney troubles.

Venus = Uranus/Neptune
Your vitality tends to be low and you have a tendency to pump up your
sexuality with drugs. You could be subject to glandular disorders,
abdominal diseases, kidney problems and possible perversions.

Venus = Uranus/Ascendant
You could be susceptible to stress-related ailments and possible
glandular disorders or problems with the kidneys.

Venus = Uranus/Midheaven
There could be a tendency to nervous disorders and with other
afflictions glandular problems or kidney troubles.

Venus = Neptune/Pluto
You are susceptible to disturbances of your glandular and hormonal
system and may be subject to diseases of the genital system. Organic
illness could take a toll on your psyche as well.

Venus = Neptune/Node
There could be a possibility of weakened glandular functions,
reproductive organs or kidneys.

Venus = Neptune/Asc
Your immune system is inclined to be weak and you may be subject to
allergies and disturbances in your glandular system or kidneys.

Mars = Moon/Saturn
Your muscular system tends to be hard and you could be subject to
rheumatism of the muscles. There is a tendency for mental suffering,
inflammatory diseases, reproductive ailments and for women female
complaints or edema.

Mars = Venus/Saturn
You are inclined to suppress your sexual needs which could lead to
genital problems. There is a tendency toward frigidity, sexual
inhibitions or low fertility and potential abnormal sexual expression.

Mars = Venus/Neptune
You have a tendency to premature weakness of your genitals. Your
fertility tends to be low and you could be subject to infections of
the genital organs, diseases of the kidneys and appendicitis. You also
may have lesbian or homosexual wishes.

Mars = Saturn/Neptune
You could be subject to weakening of your muscles or chronic diseases
of your muscular system as well as depletion of your vitality by
toxins or medication. You also tend to have weak bones, may lack
energy and the joy of living. There is potential for impotence or
frigidity and suicide by poison or gas.

Mars = Jupiter/Neptune
Your vitality tends to be a bit weak and you have a tendency to
insufficient digestion. You could be susceptible to infections, blood
disorders, pulmonary diseases, weak function of the genitals and for
women delayed or difficult births.

Jupiter = Mars/Neptune
Your vitality tends to be a bit weak and you have a tendency to
insufficient digestion. You could be susceptible to infections, blood
disorders, pulmonary diseases, weak function of the genitals and for
women delayed or difficult births

Saturn = Venus/Mars
You are inclined to suppress your sexual needs which could lead to
genital problems. There is a tendency toward frigidity, sexual
inhibitions or low fertility and potential abnormal sexual expression.

Saturn = Venus/Uranus
You tend to suppress your sexuality and because if it could be subject
to organic disturbances. There is a possibility of prostatic
hypertrophy and for women vaginismus and late or difficult birth.

Uranus = Sun/Venus
Your metabolism tends to be somewhat accelerated. For women there is a
tendency to disturbances of the menstrual cycle or fluctuating
periods. Glandular disorders or kidney problems are also possible.

Uranus = Moon/Venus
There is a close connection between your emotional state and the
distribution of the hormones. You could be subject to glandular
disorders, spasms, sudden emotional outbursts, epilepsy or other
convulsive states.

Uranus = Venus/Ascendant
You could be susceptible to stress-related ailments and possible
glandular disorders or problems with the kidneys

Neptune = Sun/Venus
You tend to have a weakly constitution along with a somewhat weak
glandular system. There is a potential for kidney disease and for
women debilitation of the female organs.

Neptune = Sun/Mars
You tend to have a weak physique, lack of energy and vitality, and a
weak or disturbed sexual impulse. You could be subject to infections,
epilepsy, and periodic impaired health with a slow recovery process.

Neptune = Moon/Venus
You may be given to moodiness and could have a tendency to disturbed
glandular functions. There also could be a weakness of the genital
system.

Neptune = Mercury/Venus
The function of your glandular- and hormone system as well as your
genital system tends to be a bit weak. There also is a tendency toward
homosexual or lesbian ambitions.

Neptune = Venus/Mars
You have a tendency to premature weakness of your genitals. Your
fertility tends to be low and you could be subject to infections of
the genital organs, diseases of the kidneys and appendicitis. You also
may have lesbian or homosexual wishes.

Neptune = Venus/Saturn
You may be subject to diseases caused by mental distress, lack of
affection and love. There is a tendency for sexual problems, deficient
glandular activity and kidney troubles.

Neptune = Venus/Uranus
Your vitality tends to be low and you have a tendency to pump up your
sexuality with drugs. You could be subject to glandular disorders,
abdominal diseases, kidney problems and possible perversions.

Neptune = Venus/Pluto
You are susceptible to disturbances of your glandular and hormonal
system and may be subject to diseases of the genital system. Organic
illness could take a toll on your psyche as well.

Neptune = Venus/Node
There could be a possibility of weakened glandular functions,
reproductive organs or kidneys.

Neptune = Venus/Asc
Your immune system is inclined to be weak and you may be subject to
allergies and disturbances in your glandular system or kidneys.

Neptune = Mars/Jupiter
Your vitality tends to be a bit weak and you have a tendency to
insufficient digestion. You could be susceptible to infections, blood
disorders, pulmonary diseases, weak function of the genitals and for
women delayed or difficult births.

Neptune = Mars/Saturn
You could be subject to weakening of your muscles or chronic diseases
of your muscular system as well as depletion of your vitality by
toxins or medication. You also tend to have weak bones, may lack
energy and the joy of living. There is potential for impotence or
frigidity and suicide by poison or gas.

Pluto = Venus/Neptune
You are susceptible to disturbances of your glandular and hormonal
system and may be subject to diseases of the genital system. Organic
illness could take a toll on your psyche as well.

Asc = Venus/Uranus
You could be susceptible to stress-related ailments and possible
glandular disorders or problems with the kidneys.

Asc = Venus/Neptune
Your immune system is inclined to be weak and you may be subject to
allergies and disturbances in your glandular system or kidneys.

Node = Venus/Neptune
There could be a possibility of weakened glandular functions,
reproductive organs or kidneys.

Here are urls that confirm that hormonal imbalances can lead to mental
health problems in not just women but also men. Therefore, seeing an
endocrinologist might help. You might not necessarily have to see a
psychiatrist. You should always get a medical examination,testing
before getting a psychiatric diagnosis. I really stress this a lot.

hypogonadism: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/male-hypogonadism/DS00300 http://www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/h/hypogonadism.htm http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/library/DS/00300.html http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/images/hypogonadism.htm http://health.yahoo.com/topic/hormone/overview/article/mayoclinic/E97... http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/diseasemanagement/endocrinology/m... http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1476110 http://www.humanhealthsolutions.com/articles/men_low_testosterone.htm...

Andropause: http://www.andropause.com/ http://www.hmc.psu.edu/healthinfo/a/andropause.htm http://www.hkmenshealth.com/eng/healthline/andropause.asp http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/print/andropause2002.htm http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/testosterone-therapy/MC00030
https://www.bcbsri.com/BCBSRIWeb/health_wellness/Men/InYour60s/Testos... http://www.lifewatch-eap.com/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=9556

Thyroid: http://www.bellaonline.com/ArticlesP/art41515.asp http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/thyroid-disease/AN00986 http://pages.prodigy.net/naturedoctor/thyroid.html http://www.thyroid-info.com/aremrevw.htm http://www.thyroidpower.com/artestrogenmenothyroidfr.html http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20040315/atypical-depression-thy... http://caymannetnews.com/2006/01/1008/thyroid.shtml http://www.mbschachter.com/hypothyroidism.htm

url about the scientist,low testosterone levels,long index finger: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-10/bis-aft102004.php http://www.bath.ac.uk/pr/releases/fingerlength.htm http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_1658552,00.html

urls about Irritable Male Syndrome: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8962022/site/newsweek http://www.menalive.com/ims-splash.htm http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=53725

urls about low testosterone linked to alzheimers: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-01/naos-lft012804.php http://www.alzheimerweek.org/members/Vol4/News/040502.htm

low testosterone linked to health problems: http://www.webmd.com/news/20060705/low-testosterone-poor-health http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202237,00.html http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTON08569720070220

low testosterone linked to heart disease: http://men.webmd.com/news/20030527/low-testosterone-linked-to-heart-disease

posted January 31, 2008 02:52 PM            

Good post. its good someone came out and said. although Ive said this for a while to.

I stopped reading about half way through..

I am also a fem. guy the majority of friends I have had in this life are women. we have a general understanding of eachother and mold well. (Moon in Libra Trine Venus) I have male friends but they are also dominantly fem. My best friend has Sun Cancer Moon Virgo ASC Cancer. Even though Im not gay I have in the past thought about being bisexual but I have since decided no. I also have a few gay friends. The only gender I feel a sexual attraction to is Women . that whole thing about how men dont cry. not true for me at all. I can be very emotional. I have moods. and I can be very picky (Virgo AC) I cant stand anything to overly Masculine. very disgusting , rude behavior and the way they see and look at things is just wrong to me. I can be equally masculine but in a good way. people dont see my fem side unless they get close. and even if they could see it on the surface I dont think they would bother calling it out. cause I dont look fem. 6'3 200 pounds with a serious look. uranus saturn square AC.

btw gay aspects are more seen in moon inflictions..

I would say Im half and half.

I have Sun Cancer Moon Libra Virgo ASC.

posted January 31, 2008 03:02 PM            

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200 pounds

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Offtopic but:

Really? I would have guessed you were around 175 or maybe 180 at most. 200 would but you at the runningback weight class.

posted January 31, 2008 03:04 PM              

I do also think that men can be very emotional and there are feminine guys, who are not gay.
And may I add that I think the caring, more sensitive type of guys appeals to me me more than the one, who seems to stem from the stone-age, only wanting to carry a woman into his cave?

Also, I think it`s a very simplistic kind of thinking to equal feminine guys with being gay, or masculine girls with being lesbian. It`s certainly not that easy.

I for my part am quite masculine, astrologically.

Sun, Mars and ASC in Sagittarius, Moon in Aquarius.
Only Venus is in a feminine sign, Capricorn. And I have Neptune conjunct Mars and ASC, which might soften that "masculine" planetary energy a bit.

But even with this amount of masculine energy I don`t feel lesbian.
But like you, SEeing Stars, I had once pondered if I might be bisexual. But I only feel attracted to men, if I feel attracted at all.

But yes, I do agree, I HATE stereotypes.

posted January 31, 2008 04:15 PM            

Feminine isn't a word I would use to describe my relative - not at all. If you know about it I suppose you could spot physical traits (height, pear-shaped body etc) but nothing that the unknowing person would spot or at least consider to be a big deal.

In character he is sharp and witty. That's interesting as learning disablities are supposed to be relevant to Klinefelter's. O.K, his academic record was poor, but as he's always held down a job and supported a family through his labours it hardly matters. If you'd rather watch Columbo than University Challenge you are only like the rest of the viewing public anyway.

He is a dry-eyed in funerals kind of man, but there is plenty of feeling there, it's just not on show. That's probably traditionally a male trait, but I don't know. That is a lot like me, and is a family trait. Also cultural.

Sorry, I can't put up his chart details. I wouldn't do it without his permission. I seriously doubt he would have a time of birth anyway.

Gender stereotyping irritates me.

I also hate the use of the word 'gay' as pejorative term. It's a modern use of semantics that gets me annoyed.

It seems particularly silly when I have a close friend who is the average beer, football and sports page kind of man. There is nothing 'girly' about him at all. He is married to a man, that is the only real thing that makes him 'gay'.

Gay marriage is legal here now, btw, in case anyone reading wonders.

posted January 31, 2008 04:38 PM            

Standing at a foot shorter and about half the weight, I must be your polar opposite on this issue.

If I was 6 foot and Amazonian with a number 2 cut I bet I would have a lot more examples of dubious compliments such as "you have a man's personality in a woman's body".

As it is I originate from the part of England that spawned Ozzy Osbourne and Led Zeppelin. Women drink beer in pint glasses, have tattoos on their arms and call each other "mate" when they are in their 80s. It's O.K not to be frilly. Being well-educated is something it is best to keep quiet about, though.

posted January 31, 2008 05:28 PM              

And I've found guys to be much moodier than women. Especially in relationships. Good god.

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted January 31, 2008 06:04 PM            

I didnt know you were keeping an eye on me. lol no a little over actually maybe like 205. I dont play football so I wouldnt know. but I am a gym rat so there you have it.

I was only stating my height and weight because if I was smaller I would prolly get called out alot more for my fem nature. or for having gay freinds but perhaps people think twice. guys joke but they never go to far.lol. and i dont blame them I can have a really bad temper when its ignited.

when I was younger though I was smaller I was usually the kid who was bullied , I can remember alot of times of running away from kids. and also alot of times where I was in fights. there was prolly alot of times where kids witnessed my emotional nature perhaps crying for something and running home. lol

posted January 31, 2008 07:18 PM            

Dear Glacus:

Thank you so much for the well thought out and informative post. I couldn’t agree more on your assessment of men being just as susceptible to hormonal and emotional issues.

I think many medical professionals are still very skeptical about the effect of hormones on the emotions. And it’s not just with men. I’ve had a horrible time finding birth control pills that don’t have negative physical and/or emotional side effects for me. And every time I try to change pills because of emotional issues, my doctor tries to tell me I should see a physiatrist. It’s silly, but I think at the end of the day sometimes you just need to tell your doctor what you need. In your case, it sounds like you’ve already had a hormone test, so ask you doctor point blank to prescribe something to help with testosterone deficiencies. If you put your foot down (as I’ve had to), they rarely object. Mine made me research my own pill though, which I didn’t mind.

As for your dissertation on the unfair judgments society puts on men with more feminine characteristics, I think the root of the problem is a lingering social archetype that paints a picture of a “man” being strong, unmoved, unemotional, and a supporter. I think we program our children from the time they are very little to fit that archetype. Fathers will threaten to beat sons that cry, yet will accept the same behavior in their girls. Parents will even tell their sons they have to get science/business/professional degrees, but encourage their daughters to pursue art. The phrase “boys don’t cry” is hammered into men throughout their lives. And in your case, even medical professionals disregard possible medical issues, and indirectly tell you to just suck it up and deal with it. I think little boys are taught to feel ashamed of their emotions, and dreadfully afraid of being labeled as “gay” (which is the word applied to a boy that doesn’t fit the social norm). I find all of this incredibly sad.

As a woman, and a Cancer, I’m a very empathic person, I can sense all the emotions that roil beneath the surface of my male friends and partners cool exteriors. I always try to draw out those emotions because I understand how destructive they can be if not aired, but it’s SO hard with most men. I have to fight to get them to talk every time (common female problem, I know lol). And when they do talk, they verbally trivialize what they are feeling, often putting up a tough front. Which I recognize as a defensive mechanism, but it never ceases to anger me that men feel so “unsafe” having a heart and actually feeling things. It’s all so tragic.

As a man that feels more in touch and comfortable with your emotions, I salute you. I think you may be more evolved then many of your sex. I understand though that you’ve probably experienced a great deal of sadness and felt you did not belong because of your differences. And I’m so sorry for inaccurate assessment and rejection you’ve felt though out your life. But for what it’s worth, I think the world needs more men like you. So don’t change, and please don’t take any crap from your doctor.

Kindest regards,

posted January 31, 2008 07:39 PM            

Well you know me; Always out looking for an adventure *slaps your virtual butt.* Yeah, place all the inuendos you want on that one Lol!

Its not your height I was refering to but the build. But Muscle does weighs a lot more then fat so its impossible to tell exact height-to-weight ratios. And sensitive doesn't means gay. Heck one won't be able to say whose gay and whose not these days.

And don't let idiotic comments let ya down. Hey actually have fun with em. Psudeo-gay moments are freakin hilarious and awkward enough to make any moronic comment null.

And man-love isn't the same as homosexuality LOL! Man love as defined by Urban Dictionary:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Man+Love

Think of it in Top Gun "Maverick/Goose" way.

posted January 31, 2008 07:49 PM            

I have spent much of my life with men who have been very feeling-oriented but have been too afraid to express them and have kept everything but "masculine" traits bottled up inside. I actually had one ex accuse me of trying to make him more effeminate and emasculate him and I know that this was because he was so insecure about his 'female' qualities.

One of the goals of my therapy practice is going to be to work with men who do not have role models for expressing their feminine qualities. And hopefully to help them accept who they are.

The more in touch we all are with both our masculine and feminie qualities, however we choose to define those two concepts, the better off we are.

posted January 31, 2008 09:56 PM            

You really impressed me with your response.
Very considerate and articulate, a pleasure to read.

Glaucus,

I think its brave of you to speak out on this,
especially in a place where you have anonymity
(and people are not already looking at you funny).

I can relate to a lot of what you said.

You might find this interesting,
if you arent already familiar with it:
http://www.coreymondello.com/Berdache.html

posted January 31, 2008 11:41 PM              

Jesus wept and he is in the top ten most masculine figures in history.

posted February 01, 2008 12:06 AM            

Theres nothing wrong with a sensitive male, an emotional male, a Real man is one who can express these traits comfortably.

I cant say Im too feminine because I have alot of masculine to myself as well. but not so much as to make me some kind of macho guy who acts touch and is determined to be alpha male. Im a guy who can go out do guy things.. play sports, work out, watch games, i dont hunt but I like to shoot guns and talk about appropriate guy things.. and then I can be fem. talk with girls about their lives and listen to them. I can read a book try do something artsy I have a very creative side, cook. I can watch movies and cry, be sad and cry, be worried and cry, and even think about something happy that can bring tears of joy. I like to do the guy things where you can be comfortable and yourself. not sleezy guy things.. like oh yea I banged so and so and all that stupid crap. I cant stand it. I like real guys.. not the sleezy wanna be badass ones, who keep a very distant at the same time relationship with their friends..

I think the male-male behavior in this country is more distant then in others.. I think america could learn a thing or two about watching the way males behave in other countries around eachother.. the male male behavior in this country is very restrictive.. you do something you could be considered gay and the talk is always oh yea I did this and this and and I hooked up with so and so and did you see her. we are to busy trying to impress eachother instead of just playing around and trying to have fun with eachother..never talking about how we feel. I can love a man but the difference is that the love for a man is as a companion, a brother figure, a wing man, somebody who will have your back, somebody you can goof around with, the camaraderie.

I like Tom Cruise no doubt one of my fav. actors but I havent seen top gun. maybe the only tom movie i havent seen.

posted February 01, 2008 03:28 AM              

I mean, so what if Glaucus talks like a girl,if he whips out "sumthin' special" (wink, wink) his "accent" wouldn't matter at all to most women, i would theorize

Why does pure physicality NEVER seem to factor into emotional talks at all!!!( never mind the billion-dollar porn industry!!!)

That's like pretending that the differences in the sexes doesn't matter AT ALL!!!!

And then ,you get people like Seeing Stars, who are constantly "implying" superior sexual traits, but , doing it under the guise of "sensitivity"...

What B.S.!!!!!

posted February 01, 2008 03:40 AM            

Because most people's emotions aren't wrapped up in the physical traits of a person like yours seem to be.

posted February 01, 2008 03:47 AM            

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is that no-one ever wants to bring up the "naughty-bits"

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Maybe that's your interpretation. Besides it's not no one. I can say bo*bs and a*s till the break of dawn, but it doesn't relate to the thread.. so why would I? lol Do you wanna discuss boobs? There isn't much to say - and it's an Astrology forum.. But we did have a breast size discussion a while ago (as related to astro placements lol)
Maybe you should go look for that thread.

Not everyone expresses themselves in the same manner.

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so what if Glaucus talks like a girl,if he whips out "sumthin' special" (wink, wink) his "accent" wouldn't matter at all to most women, i would theorize

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so what? "so what" - to you.. you mean..he made the thread because obviously it's important to him.

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Why does pure physicality NEVER seem to factor into emotional talks at all!!!

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Well bring it in darling. We've had sex threads before. Make another one.. geesh
I don't see this forum as uptight about physicality at all. Not sure how you got this impression.

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That's like pretending that the differences in the sexes doesn't matter AT ALL!!!!

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lol dude we all know there are differences.. LOL trust me.. It's not like I don't know what body parts I have. In some areas there are no differences.
Sexually there always will be. I wouldn't have it any other way - because our differences make us *click* and *fit* quite nicely together.. if you know what I mean.

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And then ,you get people like Seeing Stars, who are constantly "implying" superior sexual traits, but , doing it under the guise of "sensitivity"

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hmmm He doesn't realize it when he does this..
He has some nice posts as well about men/women. I didn't think he said anything like that ^^ on this thread.

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I like Big Boobs, and Big a$$$$$ ... (cuz I'm a GUY...get it?) Why is no-one ever HONEST about sexuality?!!!!!

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posted February 01, 2008 04:38 AM            

Experiences are different, but I have to say I am surprised at the number of men who have told me things they've said they've not told anyone before. I'd have to think hard about it to work out why that is - it probably isn't really relevant to the thread. Just something for me to think on.

posted February 01, 2008 07:16 AM            

I don't care if you're the Alpha-male type, the emotional detached type or the feeling type. All I expect is a person to do what might be required of him without hinderence when the time calls upon for it. Usually guys stay away from emotional confliction because for the most part guys are left-brain influenced and would rather place more emphisis upon logic rather then artistic details. But offcourse that isn't applicible to each and every guy.

If you are a blow-hard but can't do sh*t when you have to then you aren't worth jack. If you are an emotional cripple and thus it prevents you from doing what you have to then you still aren't worth jack.

posted February 01, 2008 03:10 PM            

I am currently in the longest relationship of my life with a Masculine Sun and Moon girl, which is actually easier for me to deal with because the emotional nature is fiery and not watery. I don't do so well with watery. I'm too insensitive, or at least I come off that way.

posted February 02, 2008 06:18 PM            

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