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heart cakes
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posted February 19, 2008 02:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from what i recall reading about ascendants, they pertain to childhood and the environment one is first subject to. so what sort of early experiences do pisces risings tend to have? is it an environment that is confusing? or one from which they feel the need to escape? or, in positive circumstances, one in which empathy is easily expressed and returned? i'm curious if there are any pisces risings here who can confirm any of the above, or share their experiences?

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posted February 19, 2008 02:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As much as I don't want to say it..

I think most and I say most have tought childhoods, but they turn it into empathy and feel what its like for others gowing throught rought times.

just because I know one pisces rising invidual and shes gone throught a lot, as well as someone with a pisces rising who is in a wheel chair.

All of this happened in early stages of there lives, naturaly its made them more empathetic for others going throught thought times.

But, not all of them Phil McGraw was one of the luckier pisces risings, nothing bad happend in his child hood at least wikipedia doesn't mention any.

But his rising is at 20Deg almost at Aries, so maybe that might explain it.

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Lana29865
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posted February 19, 2008 03:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Phil McGraw has sometimes mentioned his father having been addicted to alcohol...

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posted February 19, 2008 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to the time of birth he has given me, my father is Pisces Rising. He could be Aries though, it is quite a lot like him.

He moved around a lot to different schools in different countries being from a military family.

His mother had poor health. That could be why he does housework on reflex. It seems normal to me, but other men of his age never seem to get out a duster, iron clothes, or clean the bathroom unless it is demanded. He does lots of charity work, one time he got annoyed when a committee member made a disparaging comment 'well, you're hardly going to make a cake, are you?' He thought this was sexist (Sun conjunct Uranus!) and is quite capable of baking which he proved. Maybe he cooked at home as a teenager, he probably did. He did for us as children.

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posted February 19, 2008 12:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe they feel unloved; can be very quiet as children.
but it may depend on where the IC/MC ruler or 3rd ruler are placed.

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Skybound_Piscean
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posted February 19, 2008 01:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!
Can´t say I remember anything bad from my childhood - I had an amazing childhood and so many, many good memories from those days! A childhood coloured by rich imagination, many friends and kindness all around... at least that is what I remember ;-).

When it comes to escapistic tendencies: Yes, of course - but only good "escapes" into the future or what may happen.

Today - my childhood memories is one of the places I go "escape" to, to remind me of how it feels to be very happy - I love remembering!

Confusing environment? On the contrary. My childhood was very stable - it´s later on in life confusion set in :-(

Empathy was very easily expressed and returned, true, but it´s not that different today - maybe being a Pisces Sun and Pisces rising helps... I don´t know.

Of course life had it´s ups and downs - now and then - but I can´t say I would blame my rising sign for that.

I never heard that rising sign had anything to do with our childhood. Give more examples please :-)

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heart cakes
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posted February 19, 2008 05:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey everyone, thanks for the examples!

skybound piscean, your childhood, to me, sounds very rosy and ideal. somewhat like all the positive aspects of pisces!

i am not sure i have examples but i've heard it at least 3 or four times that your ascendant is the way you've learned to act based on your early environment. for example, capricorn risings frequently have difficult childhoods in which they are expected to be inordinately responsible and act like little adults, etc.

i am a sagittarius rising, but my familial environment was far from fun or adventurous. however, at school i was the class clown and pretty much all my classmates and most of my teachers enjoyed having me in this role and supported it. another aspect of sag rising that may or may not be pertinent is that most of my family was religious and used their ideologies to cast me constantly in a negative light, etc, and i've had to work out those issues through my life. in equal house system i have saturn and NN in the 9th house. saturn in the 9th tends to point toward this kind of early environment as well, according to liz greene.

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Thethirdbenjamin
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posted February 19, 2008 06:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
heart cakes,

Thats intresting, as a gemini sun/capircorn rising I've never felt that way when I was younger.

responsiblity was never expected out of me, but it was expected out of my sister who is a capicorn sun/gemini rising.

Now, it seams things have changed and that i seam to act more responsible then my sister, despite my gemini temper.

Even in my class I seam to be a little bit more responsible, as I said before if your in a game design class expect all your classmates to be immature.

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heart cakes
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posted February 19, 2008 06:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
third benjamin, maybe your sister's influence accounted for it; just being around that kinda vibe and learning it, even though it wasn't expected from you. do you know what i mean? just a guess though. i'm not really sure if this is a forsure thing anyway, it's just what i've heard.. if anyone knows any differently, i hope they post it!

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Thethirdbenjamin
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posted February 19, 2008 06:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ya, I know what you mean and I think your right, she was always the one making acomplishments and winning awards and she was expected to baby sit me all the time.

I'd always be upset about it, almost like competion.

Then it all shifted and changed three years ago.

But, i've learned a lot from the enviroment around me and capircorn does fit me the most.

Just because of all the influences around me regarding work, money and etc.

I'm sorta in a postion were I feel like I have to achive the unachivable and push to the top somehow, while working hard and thats because of all the influences around me.

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heart cakes
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posted February 19, 2008 06:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey third! well, for me that makes sense. obviously your sister being older, she would have been assigned more responsibility, but your seeing it as sort of a competition makes me think that she just sort of overshadowed your capricornian tendencies so they sort of remained latent!

i just had another thought on my rising (sorry i know i'm side tracking); i always tried to make my parents happy and was extremely jovial and fun and affectionate and excited with them and they were always just upset with me for it.. but it makes me think that our childhoods can maybe be very different from our rising, and that we develop our ascendant's behaviours to compensate. i guess maybe this is where you would look to the aspects to your ascendant? i'm just theorizing here though..

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posted February 19, 2008 08:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting. I've recently entangled with a Pisces rising and he claims his childhood was fairly idyllic but he's now middle aged and has never had a long term relationship of any sort. I get the impression he is afraid of living.

My grandmother was a Pisces Asc (Pisces Sun, Merc, Venus and Mars too), her childhood was horrific, it began when her mother died from toxemia when she was 5 years old leaving her and her 4 brothers. Their father could not care for them (he was a farmer during the depression) so he farmed them out and they experienced unspeakable things. She was the most loving person I ever knew but she was shy and she was haunted.

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Moon-Capricorn
Asc-Libra
Mercury-Scorpio
Venus-Scorpio
Mars-Virgo
Jupiter-Virgo
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posted February 19, 2008 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, wrong thread.

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posted February 19, 2008 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a Pisces ascendant, I think in childhood, the natives tend to put others before them. A lot of time is spent daydreaming and fantasizing. The world feels very confusing. Religion or mysticism can be an escape.

Since Neptune is the ruling planet, and to some extent Jupiter, I suggest checking the placement of these planets and aspects to these planets to see how happy or unhappy the childhood or life will be.

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heart cakes
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posted February 20, 2008 02:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what do you think of neptune EXACTLY conjunct the SN for a pisces rising?

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posted February 20, 2008 04:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Heart cake!

“skybound piscean, your childhood, to me, sounds very rosy and ideal. somewhat like all the positive aspects of pisces! “

Yes it sure was, but now (after reading all the posts here) I´m beginning to wonder if my threshold limit for a ****** childhood is EXREMELY high… he, he, he… nah, seriously - I really had one of those fairytail childhoods, of course with arguments with parents and siblings, family disagreements of all kinds etc. a “normal” childhood but nothing out of the ordinary in the misery departement – that came later on…

Maybe it helped to have a twin sister to keep the balance or to NOT keep a balance - 2 pisces sun/pisces rising in the same home – that must have added to the harmony ;-). Or maybe our childhood was really crap, but we never noticed – because we were “elsewhere” … he, he, he…

However, I can see how religious parents who tries their best to influence their children can make more damage than good – even if their intentions are good. I never experienced that since my mother ( Aquarian japanese buddist) and my dad (swedish Taurus sailor and very sceptic to all things religious) were very open mined and non-prejudice, they never influenced us in any way when it comes to religion… one day my sister and me might have gone for a free veggie meal at the Hare Krishna center ;-) or creating an occult ghost hunting club (typical pisces! ;-) and the other day we joined our baptist neighbourgs for a little evening cermony in their church… (free food *lol*) and our parents just nodded their heads smiling… I guess they were thinking; “at least they have friends!” *lol*

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heart cakes
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posted February 20, 2008 07:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, i want your childhood! how wonderful!!

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posted February 21, 2008 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Pisces ASC's I know all had childhoods where...
--they idolized someone. All had a close relative they put up on a pedestal. With one, it was his older brother; with the other two, it was their fathers.
--they were acutely aware as kids of feeling a need to put on a show. They aimed to please, and although everyone does this to a certain extent, the Pisces Asc's I know were especially confused & disheartened by the need for this and talented at doing it.

This is a very small sample (3 guys), so take it for what it's worth. They have other astrological things in common too. All 3 have an Aries Venus in the first house and a feminine Sun sign.

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posted February 21, 2008 02:28 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm.. interesting, jane. i wonder if the putting on an act thing correlates with the fact that pisces can be anything, and blend into anyone.. but since it's not so much THEM in a deeper sense (only their ascendant), they're more aware of that particular way of being and that is why it bothered them so much.

and i wonder if the aries venus and feminine sun signs exacerbated the frustration, with the sun making them more sensitive to other people but the aries making them want to be more independent..

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posted February 21, 2008 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good ideas, heart cakes.

My theory is that Venus in the first house (I know a lot of people with this placement) usually makes someone need to be loved and accepted. I know almost everyone wants that, but with a first house Venus, it feels like that's their identity, like to be who they are, they need to be liked by others. So if you take that need and couple it with the Pisces ability to be a chameleon & easily sense who others want you to be, you get someone who feels the need to put on an act in order to be loved and accepted. In short, to act in order to be themselves.

Don't you have a 1st house Venus? And your ASC in the extraordinary sign of Sag?

A little off-topic, but about about the ASC not being them...I don't really go with that view of the ASC. I don't think of the ASC as a mask, but more as a filter. A filter of what we give (how others perceive us), but also what we take in (how we perceive the world). So I think the ASC is just as real a part of us as our Sun, or Moon, or any planet. But I realize that my perception of the ASC is colored by having my Mercury in the same sign, and also it's in Scorpio, which I've read is a "strong" ASC that can overwhelm the chart. So maybe for those reasons I feel more my ASC than most people do. But those Pisces ASC guys I know are very Piscean, too, and only one of them has anything else in Pisces (his Sun and Mercury).

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posted February 21, 2008 04:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i identify strongly with my ascendant too since it is the midpoint of my venus and neptune, at 5 degrees apart, each. i feel very sagittarian and i am FAR too optimistic, in the sense that i have that sagittarian zest yet it is so influenced by neptunian dreaminess and venusian lovegoopiness. so yeah, i get you. i've always tended to think of the ascendant as more of a behavioural patterning in terms of how we are with others, but not quite so much who we are when we're alone with ourselves (but for those with conjunctions it is probably more integrated and internal as well). filter is a good word, as i've always sort of envisioned it as the bridge between us and others; how we relate and see the world. but i'm still learning! obviously

what you said about first house venus paired with pisces ascendant makes total sense too! it's interesting cuz i've never heard first house venus wanting to be loved, only that we like to have and bring love and harmony around us, but that makes sense. my extraordinarily sagittarian venus and asc are *definitely* obsessed with keeping things cheerful and light and fun.. and i can see how it makes sense that i'm also looking for people to like me too. mostly though i tend to want to keep other people uplifted. but i'm strongly neptunian too, so i get that about keeping to peoples' expectations in that persuit..

sorry if there are huge grammatical errors or anything.. my daughter is teething and not sleeping and i'm totally sleep deprived and feeling rambly!

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posted February 21, 2008 04:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woaw... I have Venus in the First house and Jane´s description is spot on for both me and my twin. I sure have the ability to be a chameleon in order to be liked... (I mean... we were accepted in both the "baps", the "occults" and the Hare Krishna... he, he, he...).

What would be the difference if you also have Saturn conjunct Venus in the first house and Pisces rising?

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posted February 21, 2008 04:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was always immersed in an imaginary world as a child. (Pisces rising here) It saved me from my parents violent marriage and from a world that I didn't fit into. Now being grown up I've had to lose my imaginary world and that has been really difficult. I'd rather be another ascendant to be honest. Seems the kindness and sweetness that comes with piscean risings has no place in this world.

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posted February 21, 2008 05:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ascendant is 29 degrees pisces and I had a difficult childhood but an amazing imagination. i lived in my imagination and have to really focus now as an adult not to lose myself in daydreams!

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posted February 21, 2008 10:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG virgo sam that is so psot on :eek;
i also had issues as a kid, i was ver shy, loner and being sensitive the slightest hurt , imagined or not sent me packing to La LA land.

i have Pisces Asc, sun , moon opposing neptune .

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