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Topic: venusdeindia and anyone interested in sharing their Draco charts Etc.
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Lara unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 03:28 PM
aww thanks Taurus80  Sweet sounding aspect, i agree  DarkDreamer ok thanks so much. Tooooo many aspects! I have tweedled them down to what l perceive from your post to be relevant ones.
By the way, which Jupiter aspect did you mean as there are a couple! Absolutely no idea what they mean but l definitely feel better now  DRACO TO DRACO
My Draco VENUS opposes his Venus 1 My Draco MARS opposes his Venus 1 deg My Isis opposes his Venus under 1 deg
My Eros conjunct his Sun 1 deg conjunct his Mars 2 deg
My Armor conjunct his Psyche 3 deg
My Valentine conjunct his Psyche bang on exact!
My Aphrodite opposite his Aphrodite 1deg LOL!
My Aphrodite conjunct his Ceres 2deg
My Aphrodite opposes his Osiris 1deg MY DRACO TO HIS NATAL
My Draco SUN trine his Natal Sun 2deg + trines his natal moon 2deg
My Draco VENUS opposes his Natal venus under 2deg
My Draco MARS opposes his Natal Osiris 1deg
My Draco JUPITER trines his Natal Chiron 2deg
My Draco Isis opposes his Natal Osiris 1deg
My Draco Armor opposes his Natal Eros exact and trines his Natal Osiris 3deg and trines his Natal North Node 2deg
My Draco Valentine opposes his Natal Eros 3 deg and trines his Natal Osiris exact and trines his Natal North Node 1 deg
My Draco Aphrodite conjunct his N Psyche 4deg
My Draco Karma conjunct his Natal Isis 3deg
My Draco Karma trine his Natal Karma 2deg HIS DRACO TO MY NATAL
His Draco MOON opposes my Natal Armor 3deg
His Draco VENUS conjunct my Natal Juno 4deg
His Draco MARS conjunct my Natal Pallas 1deg
His Draco JUPITER conjunct my Natal Neptune 1deg
His Draco Isis conjunct my Natal Psyche exact and opposes my Natal Isis 3deg
His Draco Psyche trine my Natal juno 2deg
His Draco Valentine opposes my Natal Valentine exact!!! And conjunct my natal Armor 3deg and conjunct my Natal Vertex 3deg
His Draco Karma trine my Natal Psyche 1deg
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darkdreamer unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 03:31 PM
Lara,from your list I think the most important are: My Draco VENUS opposes his Venus 1 deg My Draco MARS opposes his Venus 1 deg My Isis opposes his Venus under 1 deg My Eros conjunct his Sun 1 deg conjunct his Mars 2 deg My Armor conjunct his Psyche 3 deg My Valentine conjunct his Psyche bang on exact! My Draco VENUS opposes his Natal venus under 2deg My Draco MARS opposes his Natal Osiris 1deg My Draco Isis opposes his Natal Osiris 1deg My Draco Armor opposes his Natal Eros exact My Draco Valentine opposes his Natal Eros 3 deg My Draco Karma conjunct his Natal Isis 3deg His Draco MOON opposes my Natal Armor 3deg His Draco PLUTO opposes my Natal moon 2deg, opposes my natal venus 1deg His Draco Isis conjunct my Natal Psyche exact and opposes my Natal Isis 3deg His Draco Valentine opposes my Natal Valentine exact!!! And conjunct my natal Armor 3deg and conjunct my Natal Vertex 3deg DD
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darkdreamer unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 03:36 PM
I mean ALL Jupiter aspects.  Don´t get me wrong, I LOVE Jupiter, being a Sagittarius, but he doesn`T seem to imply that intense soulmate-lover-stuff than some of the other planets do. I maybe would consider keeping Pluto and Saturn though.  However, I once met someone whose Draco Jupiter was exactly conjunct my Draco Venus and trine my Sun / Mercury. He made me feel unbelievably good. A real positive vibe, but it was more the vibe of a great friendship or even teacher-pupil-relation. Of course if you ahve the passionate allconsuming loving connections PLUS great Jupiter-aspects, that would be wonderful. WE all need some optimism and enthusiasm now and then, don`t we?  DD IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 03:45 PM
Yes, your list is much better than mine LOLyou are too good at this !  I agree that teacher role with the all-consuming aspects are best. Is there a thread, do you know, where all the wham bam passionate aspects are listed pls? cos l wouldn't be able to spot them if they hit me in the face! (draco speaking) We have them in synastry and have the soul mate aspects that you told me about the other day so a few of them here would be the icing on the cake, don't you think? Thank you  IP: Logged |
darkdreamer unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 03:46 PM
From my own list I would keep:His SN conjunct my Moon His SN conjunct my dr Union my dr Karma oposite his Eros my Karma opposite his dr Venus His Karma opposite my dr Saturn his Karma opoiste my dr Vertex his Karma opposite my dr Eros my Vertex oppoiste his dr Ceres my Juno conjunct his Mars my Juno conjunct his Amor my dr Juno opposite his dr VAlentine my dr Juno opposite his dr Juno his dr Juno conjunct my Venus his dr Juno conjunct my Isis his dr Juno conjunct my Osiris my dr Union conjunct his SN my Union conjunct his dr Amor my dr DC conjunct his dr Saturn his Union conjunct my Psyche his dr Union conjunct my Pluto my dr DSC conjunct his dr Saturn his Venus opposite my dr Saturn his dr Venus opposite my Karma my Venus conjunct his dr Moon my Venus conjunct his dr Valentine my Venus conjunct his dr Juno my Valentine opposite his Valentine my VAlentine conjunct his dr Sun his dr Valentine opposite my dr Juno his dr VAlentine conjunct my Isis his dr VAlentine conjunct my Osiris his Amor conjunct my dr Valentine his dr Amor conjunct my Union my dr Amor conjunct his Mars my Amor conjunct his dr Sun my Mars opposite his Ceres my dr Mars opposite his dr Saturn his Mars conjunct my Juno his dr Mars conjunct my dr Saturn his Eros opposite my Pluto his Eros conjunct my IC my Eros oppoiste his dr Ceres my dr Moon conjunct his Ceres my Ceres oppöosite his Pluto his Ceres conjunct my DSC his dr Ceres opposite my Saturn his dr Psyche conjunct my dr Sun his dr Psyche conjunct my dr Mercury And I would add: His Osiris trine my Sun My Isis trine his Karma My Osiris trine his Karma My Isis trine his Pluto My Osiris trine his Pluto my Isis conjunct his dr VAlentine my Isis conjunct his dr Juno my Osiris conjunct his dr Valentine my Osiris conjunct his dr Juno (my dr Venus / Isis / Osiris trine his Osiris) my dr Isis / Osiris opposite his dr Amor his dr Isis conjunct my dr Sun his dr Osiris opposite my Pluto (his dr Osiris trine my NN) DD
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darkdreamer unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 03:58 PM
passionate aspects (only my thoughts):Sun - Mars Sun - Eros Moon - Mars Moon - Pluto Moon - Eros (maybe) Venus - Mars Venus - Pluto (oh YESS) Venus - Eros (ERos was son of Venus and Mars, so Eros is ALWAYS passionate) Mars - Mars Mars - AC Mars - Eros Mars - Pluto Mars - Juno Eros - AC Eros - NN Eros - Vertex Eros - Karma Eros - Valentine Eros - Amor ERos - Juno Erso - Eros ERos - Psyche Eros - Pluto Valentine - Pluto Amor - Pluto Juno - Pluto I think those aspects, where one yin planet and one yang planet are involved, are naturally very passionate and a sign of attraction like Venus-Mars, Eros-Psyche etc.
Also, Eros, as son of Venus and Mars, combines both in himself, and being the God of (erotic) love he is naturally passionate and transformative. Pluto on the other hand, intensifies anything he touches, so if he aspects Venus, Moon, Valentine or Eros you know what exactly he intensifies. But those are just my thoughts on this.  DD IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 04:18 PM
wow I think i just got it, thanks to your indepth help with me. Thank you.Are you mixing normal synastry with Draco? I'm going to see how much i've got it by trying to now put all the important aspects together.  DarkDreamer, you are brilliant in your explanations, thanks. BTW l love jupiter too, it rules my 5th house, is my b/f's moon and is in my 12th conjunct my AC. In fact l wish to be a Sagittarius in my next life. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 04:30 PM
"Are you mixing normal synastry with Draco?" Yes, I look at:1. natal - natal 2. Draco - Draco 3. Draco - natal "DarkDreamer, you are brilliant in your explanations" Thank you. 
"BTW l love jupiter too, it rules my 5th house, is my b/f's moon and is in my 12th conjunct my AC. In fact l wish to be a Sagittarius in my next life." Well, Jupiter conjunct your ASC may give you some Sagittarian Traits. I myself have Mars and Neptune conjunct my Sagittarius ASC, so I`m not really a pure SAg-ASC, I am more like a weird mixture of these planets.  DD IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 05:05 PM
You are most welcome. Plus... you are right! I just remembered that when l asked on another forum what my AC was, quite a few people said Sag! lol wow Mars and neptune conjunct your AC. Does the neptune bit act like a fog sometimes, clouding your perception of the world you view or am l totally wrong? !!Astrology is uncanny sometimes. OK, here is my list of all the interactions that l would like to keep too: Seems pretty ok to me  His sun square my mars My sun square his mars His sun trine exact my n node My sun trine his MC exact His sun conjunct my AC His moon trine exact my n node His moon quincunx my mars My moon trine my mars His moon square my Pluto My moon quincunx his Pluto His Draco MOON opposes my Natal Armor His venus sesquiquadrate my mars My Draco VENUS opposes his Venus My Draco VENUS opposes his Natal venus His venus quintile my valentine exact His mars trine my venus My Draco MARS opposes his Venus His mars square my mars My mars trine his Pluto My mars opposes his AC My Draco MARS opposes his Natal Osiris His Neptune conjunct my Neptune My Neptune conjunct his AC His Draco PLUTO opposes my Natal moon His Draco PLUTO opposes my natal venus My eros semi square his sun My eros conjunct his venus exact His Eros trine my AC 1deg My Draco Eros conjunct his Draco Sun My Draco eros conjunct his Draco Mars His valentine trine my AC His AC trine my valentine My Draco Valentine opposes his Natal Eros My Draco Valentine conjunct his Draco Psyche bang on exact! His Draco Valentine opposes my Natal Valentine exact!!! His Draco Valentine conjunct my natal Armor His Draco Valentine conjunct my Natal Vertex His lilith conjunct my AC My lilith opposing his AC His MC conjunct my AC His north node opposing my AC His juno conjunct my MC His vertex sextile my sun My Draco Armor opposes his Natal Eros exact
My Draco Armor conjunct his Draco Psyche My Draco Karma conjunct his Natal Isis My Draco Isis opposes his Draco Venus My Draco Isis opposes his Natal Osiris His Draco Isis conjunct my Natal Psyche exact His Draco Isis opposes my Natal Isis Talking of Jupiter… weirdly, his Jupiter (ruler of his moon) opposes all my personal planets up to Mars in synastry! IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted March 25, 2008 05:06 PM
You have no idea how hard it was to do that last list - l feel as if Draco has drugged me! I've overdosed on aspect finding  IP: Logged |
Charlotte unregistered
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posted March 26, 2008 03:12 AM
WOW! those are great! aspects...IP: Logged |
Charlotte unregistered
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posted March 26, 2008 05:04 AM
hmmm My Draco Vertex in exactly conjunct his Natal Vertex, exactly conjunct his Natal Valentine and exactly opposes his Natal Venus.What does anyone make of that? IP: Logged |
Charlotte unregistered
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posted March 26, 2008 05:05 AM
LOL Lara, I know what you mean...
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darkdreamer unregistered
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posted March 26, 2008 05:54 AM
Charlotte,in my opinion these aspects could be an indicator that your meeting / encounter / relationship will be triggering deep and meaningful transformations in both of you, and that particularly his way of loving (Valentine and Venus) may be transformed. It seems that he has natally an opposition of Valentine and Venus, so he has to find a balance between the unconditional love (Valentine) and the more sensual kind of love (Venus). This is one of the "life-lessons" for him, since his natal Vertex is aspecting this configuration natally. And now, you come, probably from his past, and just by being you you trigger all that. It could lead to a very beautiful and sweet love between the two of you, or in the worst case it could drive him into denial. So, he may love you dearly, but just cannot admit it to you or even himself, because somewhere deep inside he feels by loving you (VAlentine and Venus) his whole life would change (Vertex). AFter all Vertumnus (the mythological figure of the Vertex) came under disguise to his beloved Pomona to win her heart (if he didn`t come under disguise, she wouldn`t even have let him near herself) and even then, when he tried to win her love under the disguise, she would reject him again and again. It was only when he let fall all his disguise and "stood naked" before her, that she fell in love with him, too, and reciprocrated his love. So, I guess, when there is Vertex-interaction, there may be the wish to "hide under covers / disguises" to protect yourself, but at the same time there is the need to be "naked", defenceless, absolutely honest in all you do or feel. Or other way round Vertex-aspects and interaction may cut through all the covers and walls of selfdefense you surround your soul with, and Vertex is like a beam, that cuts right through to the things that matter, your soul in most cases. And this is of course a life changing moment. Of course there`s no guarantee that you will stay together with whoever triggered that transformation. But on the other hand Vertumnus and Pomona did stay together happily. But with Vertex there is always a moment of surprise. Hope that helps
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darkdreamer unregistered
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posted March 26, 2008 06:07 AM
I did a DRaco Synastry for Jude Law and me.Why Jude Law? Well, because usually there are always amazing astrological results. And I wanted to see, if this is true, for the DRaconics, too. I really used only the mentioned planets and asteroids, and only conjunctions / oppositions. Otherwise the list would have gotten MUCH too long. (except for in the natals I used trines, too) NATAL - NATAL
my Moon trine his Saturn my Venus conjuncts his Sun my Venus opposite his Valentine (0°) my Venus opposite his Osiris my Mars conjuncts his Juno my SAturn conjuncts his SN (0°07) my Saturn trine his Eros my Saturn trine his Union my Pluto trine his DC (0°10) my Pluto conjunct his MC (0°) my DC trine his Pluto my AC conjunct his AC my M>C conjunct his Pluto (0) my IC trine his Juno my Vertex conjunct his Vertex my Vertex trine his Eros my Vertex trine his Ceres my NN conjunct his Venus my NN conjunct his AC (0) my NN trine his IC my NN trine his Isis my Karma conjunct his Saturn (0) my Karma opposite his Venus{/b] my VAlentine conjunct his Mars [b]my Amor conjunct his JUno (0°04) my Juno conjunct his Eros my Juno conjunct his Union my Eros conjunct his Vertex my Eros trine his Eros (0°) my Eros trine his Ceres my Psyche conjunct his Amor my Ceres trine his Psyche my Ceres trine his Valentine my Union conjunct his MOon my Isis conjunct his Sun (0) my Isis opposite his VAlentine my Osiris conjunct his Sun (0°12) DRACO - DRACO my dr VEnus opposite his dr Isis (0°01) my dr Saturn opposite his dr Amor (0) my Dr MC conjunct his Dr Psyche (0) my dr Karma conjunct his Dr Vertex my dr VAlentine conjunct his DR Sun my dr VAlentine opposite his dr Osiris (0°18) my dr Amor conjunct his dr Sun my dr Amor opposite his dr Valentine my dr Union conjunct his dr AC my dr Isis opposite his dr Isis my dr Osiris opposite his dr Isis
MY DRACO - HIS NATAL my dr Moon conjunct his DC my dr Venus opposite his Moon my dr IC conjunct his Vertex (0) my dr VErtex conjunct his Psyche (0) my dr Karma conjunct his Pluto (0) my dr Karma conjunct his MC my dr Valentine conjunct his dr Eros my dr Amor conjunct his dr Eros my dr Juno opposite his Sun my dr Juno conjunct his VAlentine (0) my dr Juno conjunct his Osiris my dr ERos conjunct his Psyche (0°01!) my dr Psyche opposite his Venus (0) my dr Psyche ocnjunct his Saturn my dr Union conjunct his Amor my dr Isis oposite his Moon (0) my dr Osiris oposite his Moon (0) HIS DRACO - MY NATAL
his dr Moon conjunct my Isis his dr Moon conjunct my Osiris his dr Pluto opposite my Karma his dr AC conjunct my Psyche his dr Vertex conjunct my Pluto his dr VErtex conjunct my MC his dr Valentine opposite my Juno his dr Juno conjunct my Moon his dr Eros opposite my Mars his dr Eros opposite my Amor his dr Psyche conjunct my Antivertex his dr Union opposite my Valentine (0) his dr Osiris opposite my Juno The "same-degree-aspects":
my Saturn and his SN: 17° Cancer my MC and his Pluto: 5° Libra his Saturn and my Karma: 16° Gemini my Amor and his Juno: 3° Sagittarius my Osiris and his Sun: 8° Capricorn my dr MC and his dr Psyche: 25° Capricorn my dr IC and his Vertex: 25° Cancer my dr Juno and his VAlentine: 7° Cancer my dr ERos and his Psyche: 11° Scorpio And the Sabian Symbols for these are:
17° Cancer: His SN conjunct my Saturn PHASE 107 (CANCER 17°): THE UNFOLDMENT OF MULTILEVEL POTENTIALITIES ISSUING FROM AN ORIGINAL GERM. KEYNOTE: The life urge to actualize one's birth potential 5° Libra: My MC conjunct his Pluto PHASE 185 (LIBRA 5°): A MAN REVEALING TO HIS STUDENTS THE FOUNDATION OF AN INNER KNOWLEDGE UPON WHICH A "NEW WORLD" COULD BE BUILT.
KEYNOTE: The necessity for the youthful spirits to learn from a Teacher who through his long experience has been able to reach solid and illuminating truths, i.e. "seed ideas." 16° Gemini: His Saturn conjunct my Karma PHASE 76 (GEMINI 16°): A WOMAN ACTIVIST IN AN EMOTIONAL SPEECH DRAMATIZING HER CAUSE.
KEYNOTE: A passionate response to a deeply felt new experience. 3° Sagittarius: My Amor conjunct his Juno PHASE 243 (SAGITTARIUS 3°): TWO MEN PLAYING CHESS.
KEYNOTE: The transcendent ritualization of conflict. 8° Capricorn: my Osiris conjunct his Sun PHASE 278 (CAPRICORN 8°): IN A SUN-LIT HOME DOMESTICATED BIRDS SING JOYOUSLY. KEYNOTE: The wholesome happiness which subservience to the ideals and patterns of a well-established culture brings to those who accept them unreservedly. 25° Capricorn: My dr MC conjunct his dr Psyche PHASE 295 (CAPRICORN 25°): A STORE FILLED WITH PRECIOUS ORIENTAL RUGS.
KEYNOTE: The use of cultural and artistic processes as means to enhance personal comfort and appreciation. 25° Cancer: my dr IC conjunct his Vertex PHASE 115 (CANCER 25°): A WILL-FULL MAN IS OVERSHADOWED BY A DESCENT OF SUPERIOR POWER.
KEYNOTE: The response of spiritual forces to the integration of personality through positive will-full endeavors. 7° Cancer: My dr Juno conjunct his VAlentine PHASE 97 (CANCER 7°): TWO NATURE SPIRITS DANCING UNDER THE MOONLIGHT.
KEYNOTE: The play of invisible forces in all manifestations of life. 11° Scorpio: my dr Eros conjunct his psyche PHASE 221 (SCORPIO 11°): A DROWNING MAN IS BEING RESCUED.
KEYNOTE: The deep concern of the social group for the safety of individuals. DD IP: Logged |
Charlotte unregistered
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posted March 26, 2008 06:10 AM
DD, Thank you so much! Yes, it really does help. Sometimes he is extremely open with me and it is absolutely beautiful and then, up comes this wall out of no where and I feel very defenseless against it. I feel as open and helpless as a child. I love him deeply, without any doubt and am still very frightened by the change that he is already bringing into my life and I think he too feels the change and has doubts and fears. Sometimes I just don't know how to reach him and yet he tells me that he feels a powerful soul connection with me, unlike anything he has ever felt before.Hugs, Char IP: Logged |
Charlotte unregistered
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posted March 26, 2008 06:16 AM
DD, Wow! those aspects with cutie Jude Law...
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posted March 26, 2008 07:38 AM
Charlotte,"Sometimes he is extremely open with me and it is absolutely beautiful and then, up comes this wall out of no where" I know that pattern. I am like that myself. Your guy doesn`t coincidentally have Moon in Aquarius or something like that? "nd yet he tells me that he feels a powerful soul connection with me, unlike anything he has ever felt before." That is so beautiful. At least he feels it, too. That`s a good start, isn`t it?
Regarding Jude Law: well, the synastry shows a definite pattern, involving Vertex, Eros, Psyche and the IC-MC-axis. my Vertex / Eros / dr IC (all conjunct) conjunct his Vertex oposite his dr Psyche my dr Vertex / dr Eros: conjunct his Psyche his dr Vertex / MC: conjunct my dr Karma, Pluto and MC my Psyche / dr Union: conjunct his Amor and dr ASC my dr Psyche / SN / Karma: conjunct his Saturn opposite his Venus (and dr Pluto - widely) his Eros / Union / dr Sun: conjunct my Juno and dr Valentine opposite my dr Amor and his dr Valentine my Mars / Amor: conjunct his Juno opposite his dr Eros Especially the Vertex-connections are interesting, I think. The tightest aspect we share (my dr Eros conjunct his Psyche) and it`s tied to my Vertex.
And his Vertex is tied to his dr Psyche and my Eros. So, it works in both directions, just he contributes his draconic and natal Psyche, while i contribute my draconic and natal Eros. Oh well, I`m surely curious if I`m even gonna like him a little bit, when I`ll be seeing him as "Hamlet" next year.  DD IP: Logged |
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posted March 26, 2008 06:12 PM
DD, He has his mercury and mars in opposition with Uranus, so I guess that would add an aqua vibe, right? His Lilith, Palla and Juno also square his Uranus and his moon is in Sagittarius conjunct mine, I can absolutely feel his emotions and I think he feels mine, to the point that we both get confused over who is feeling what! LOLI have an exact opposition from my Sun to Uranus and my mars is in my 11th. So, I guess I too have some Aqua vibes. That is so cool that you will be seeing Jude as Hamlet, wonder if you will feel some sparks? :-) Hugs, Char IP: Logged |
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posted December 04, 2008 01:03 PM
I feel a bit uneasy about this, but when comparing my draconic chart to my bf's natal chart, we have all these strong conjunctions. When I compare his draconic chart to my natal chart, it's almost all oppositions. What does this mean? Does it mean that he sees me as his soulmate, but I don't? I only used conjunctions and oppositions with major planets, though. With asteroids, there's a mixture of aspects.IP: Logged |
FistOfLegend unregistered
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posted December 04, 2008 01:24 PM
What about Tropical Mars conjunct Draconic Pluto? I'm the Mars person.IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted December 04, 2008 03:07 PM
mine to share are: (conjuncts and trines only within 3 deg)DRACO to DRACO My sun trine his venus (3) my moon/venus/saturn/NN conjunct his NN/IC (1) my mercury trine his venus (3) my mars trine his pluto (1) my saturn conjunct his NN (0) my saturn trine his AC (3) my neptune trine his chiron (1) my chiron conjunct his saturn (3) my vertex conjunct his eros (1) my juno conjunct his juno (3) my juno conjunct his karma (2) my karma conjunct his juno (1) my karma conjunct his karma (1) my psyche trine his valentine (3) my osiris trine his AC (0) psyche conjunct psyche (2) eros conjunct eros (2) DRACO/NATAL Me/him
My dr sun trine his n AC (0) My dr moon conjunct his n union (1) My dr moon trine his n vertex/siva (2) My dr venus conjunct his n union (0) My dr venus trine his n vertex/siva (0) My dr mars trine his n venus (1) My dr Saturn conjunct his n chiron (2) My dr Saturn conjunct his n union (2) My dr NN conjunct his n union (1) My dr juno conjunct his n MC (1) My dr karma conjunct his n MC (0) My dr psyche trine his n moon (0) my dr AC trine his n siva/vertex (2) His dr sun trine my n mars (2) Pluto (1) His dr mars conjunct my PofF (0) His dr Saturn trine my n psyche (1) His dr Pluto conjunct my n kaali (1) His dr NN conjunct my n chiron (1) His dr eros conjunct my n pluto (2) his dr AC trine my n valentine (3) his dr AC conjunct my n neptune (0)
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