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Topic: saturn in the third house?
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heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted June 24, 2008 07:09 PM
does anyone know much about this one? i just read that it meant that communication is well thought out, and carefully articulated, but also quite short and to the point. i was wondering, could it denote FEAR of communication maybe? what if it's conjunct the NN? how would that modify it?any help with this would be tremendously appreciated! IP: Logged |
Astra Knowflake Posts: 553 From: Registered: May 2007
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posted June 24, 2008 07:22 PM
My mom has this placement. As a child she was silent unless she was asked a question at which point she spoke. Another exception was when someone angered her, in which case her speech was very cutting and could stop people in their tracks.However when she began college, her gemini rising finally kicked in and she became very outgoing and friendly, though she could still put people in their place. I think that the reason for her sudden transformation is that she saw talking as necessary for survival (Saturn is very practical!) In fact, people were often surprised by her cheery disposition since she's a Scorpio. In contrast, I was a very quiet and intense Gemini Sun. People often thought we somehow switched signs when I was born! In short, Saturn in the third house can definitely restrict communication, but depending on the person and the rest of the chart, they can definitely become more talkative later on! IP: Logged |
23 Knowflake Posts: 4497 From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain Registered: Aug 2006
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posted June 24, 2008 07:54 PM
Yeah interesting that you mention about the transit Astra. When I had saturn in my 3rd transiting, I was working in a 100 person company and talked to only about 7 or 8 in it. I wasn't interested in talking to anyone. In fact I kept to myself and was very silent, most people didn't even know who I was when I was referred to. Otherwise, the description that Astra provided re the natal sounds pretty accurate. Placement of saturn can denote causticity when speaking. I have sun and merc opp saturn but my saturn falls natally in 4th and I can be quite caustic when I'm annoyed. IP: Logged |
libraschoice7 Knowflake Posts: 2085 From: Arizona Registered: Jul 2006
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posted June 24, 2008 11:01 PM
This is one placement I hate having...it makes me feel like I can't express my self properly when talking to people, a real restriction on being able to get the right words out lol! And when people meet me for the first time I am usually very quiet to avoid saying anything stupid.------------------ Sun in Libra Moon in Cancer Jupiter in Cancer Venus in Virgo Mars in Cancer Ascendant in Cancer "I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me" IP: Logged |
anek Knowflake Posts: 8 From: india Registered: Jun 2008
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posted June 25, 2008 01:26 AM
i also hv saturn in my 3rd house not on the cusp but at 0 degrees capricorn conjunct uranus ( 0 degree orb ) i hv problems expressing my feelings and sometiems cant put sentences together to express how i feel at times, i dont talk about stuff that doesn't interest me , i keep quiet when i dont know much about a conversation going on, i dont wanna look like a foolIP: Logged |
alvarella777 Knowflake Posts: 504 From: Europe Registered: Jun 2007
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posted June 25, 2008 03:13 AM
I only know that in Synastry this can be a problematic placement. I mean: If someone's Saturn falls into your 3rd house, there can come communication difficulties with it. There had been a thread on that, I can't find it at the moment. But from that ... Saturn falling into another person's 3rd house makes the relationship quite serious/draining/anti-"fun" over time. It implies basic difficulties as far as different tempers go, I guess.IP: Logged |
heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted June 25, 2008 12:51 PM
thank you thank you! this is very enlightening! yeah the guy i have a crush on has this placement, and whenever i talk about feelings, his replies are short and sweet. i just read about liz greene's take on saturn in the 3rd as well and it echoes what you're all saying here! hey, i would like to recommend that you don't worry about saying anything stupid, cuz as far as i can tell, this makes a person (generally) VERY insightful and thoughtful, and your ideas would probably be very much appreciated! all that mental discipline and focus shouldn't be wasted!!interesting you bring up synastry, alvarella777, cuz my saturn and NN are conjunct his in his 3rd house. do you think that means he feels extra reticent around me? since i bring that energy in for him as well? or do you think it means i get a touch of that "feeling stupid" and clamming up myself? (i certainly babble a lot to him but we have composite gemini moon in the 3rd involved in three grand trines and as the focused point of a kite! but then end up feeling like i revealed too much or said something stupid!) or is it him who's affected more? i also wonder about the NN and that maybe that is helpful to the saturn placement cuz it's making it even more important to deal with whatever issues saturn's bringing up. this guy is SUPER intelligent and vocal about his studies and integrates it into his profession, but i do sense that the reticence comes into play when discussing feelings, etc. IP: Logged |
heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted June 25, 2008 01:06 PM
oh i have another question! to those of you who have this placement, does it make you uncomfortable to be talked to a lot as well, or does it sort of relieve you, cuz then you don't have to say anything, and you know where the other person stands, and you have more to mull over in your minds?IP: Logged |
alvarella777 Knowflake Posts: 504 From: Europe Registered: Jun 2007
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posted June 25, 2008 04:18 PM
Hi again Heartcakes,I found the thread again and will post it below. Before I post it: The conjunction to your NN in 3rd house - I cannot say anything substantial on that, only this: In my last important love relationship I also had an "important" NN-connection in 3rd house: It was NN conjunct the guy's Vertex (placed in my own 3rd house). I experienced this as such: All "communcative issues" were extremely important and influenced that relationship a lot - in retrospect (the relationship is over) I think I made the biggest "mistakes" and also the most interesting/challenging experiences in communicating with that guy. So I guess ... if your North Node is involved in a close conjunction with a 3rd-house-placement in Synastry ... it could mean that this "talking"-part of your relationship challenges you a lot and/or teaches you a lot. Here's the link to the thread, and I'll copy&paste my lines from there: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017796.html What I wrote there: I guess this is originally meant as a thread about SATURN in SYNASTRY-HOUSES – if I am right here. I find that topic quite interesting, since SATURN is claimed to be attached to “Karma” so much. I checked some Synastries from my personal archives … This is the outcome: Serious/long lasting love affairs/relationships with men: - his Saturn in my 4th / my Saturn in his 10th (cj. his MC) - his Saturn in 7th / my Saturn in his 4th - his Saturn in my 5th / my Saturn in his 10th Platonic friendships (with men), long lasting, serious, no way “erotic”:
- his Saturn in my 3rd/my Saturn in his 11th - his Saturn in my 3rd/my Saturn in his 8th - his Saturn in my 4th/my Saturn in his 11th - his Saturn in my 4th/my Saturn in his 9th - his Saturn in my 5th/my Saturn in his 11th - his Saturn in my 6th/my Saturn in his 2nd - his Saturn in my 11th/my Saturn in his 12th “Unrequited love”/one-sided affection - or volatile/complicated affairs:
- his Saturn in my 3rd/my Saturn in his 9th - his Saturn in my 3rd/ my Saturn in his 1st - his Saturn in my 3rd/my Saturn in his 2nd - his Saturn in my 4th/my Saturn in his 1st - his Saturn in my 4th/my Saturn in his 4th - his Saturn in my 5th/my Saturn in his 3rd - his Saturn in my 6th/my Saturn in his 5th - his Saturn in my 12th (cj. ASC)/my Saturn in his 1st (cj ASC) So – this small “test group” suggests three ideas, obviously:
1.) Saturn in the angular houses of your partner seems to favour serious/lasting relationships. (With Saturn in the 1st of your partner being some exception/see idea no.3.) 2.) “Platonic friendship” might be supported by Saturn in the 11th house, indeed. 3.) Saturn in 3rd house of a partner makes affairs of the heart/romantic affairs complicated and “unfriendly” from a certain point onwards – it may stifle your personal way of expressing yourself, maybe? So does Saturn in the most personal houses of you/your partner, houses 1 and 4 (depending on the involved aspects, of course.). Anyone agree on that? Anyone protesting? ;-)
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heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted June 26, 2008 12:54 AM
thanks alvarella777! that's really interesting cuz we have a LOT of gemini/3rd house stuff. we have composite gemini moon in the 3rd (in three grand trines AND at the bottom part of a kite!!), and my SN is in the 3rd in equal and astrocartograhy (where i live now). actually we were born a few days apart so our saturns and NNs are exactly conjunct. that's why i'm curious whether i'd help him or hinder him, since bring so MUCH gemini energy into his life.. i'm very communicative with him! i just can't figure out if that's a good thing for him or if it makes him feel stupider or even more withheld, you know?IP: Logged |
alvarella777 Knowflake Posts: 504 From: Europe Registered: Jun 2007
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posted June 26, 2008 04:35 AM
Heart Cakes, you're welcome.If I understand that right, you BOTH have Saturn cj. NN in your respective natal charts? Don't know about this one. As far as "teaching"/"being taught" goes ... I just want to add one (very personal, very subjective experience): In the Synastry with that man I loved it was the first time ever that my NN was exactly conjunct another person's chart-point - as I said before, it was conjunct his Vertex. (all in my 3rd house - and in his 6th) And in retrospect I really have the impression that it was me, the NN-person, who was challenged more by this conjunction. I have the feeling that I had to "give" a lot of understanding, sensitivity and patience ... that I "taught" him an important lesson by this ... and somehow that I "payed my dues" by opening up new perspectives to him. At the end, it left me drained though - I didn't get an instant "reward" for this ;-), rather feel left "high & dry" (if you can say so). In any case, my NN so directly involved, via 3rd house matters in Synastry, was an extraordinary experience and made me very aware of the pitfalls of (misguided) communication and toooooo much "understanding" for a person who might not have "deserved" it. (My NN and his Vertex are in Pisces.) I don't think that Saturn cj. NN in 3rd in Synastry is "bad" by nature or whatsoever! If it's in your personal 3rd house - which of his houses is involved again? IP: Logged |
heart cakes Knowflake Posts: 1561 From: canada Registered: Sep 2007
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posted June 26, 2008 01:03 PM
thanks! yeah your past experience sounds rather like my relationship with my pisces ex!well, our NNs are both at 17 virgo, our saturns are both at 12 virgo. it's his third house involved, and my 8th or 9th (depending on house system). actually he's VERY different from my pisces ex who was kinda manipulative and emotionally.. draining. this guy just seems really emotionally guarded and extremely CAREFUL. he's very respectful and sweet, though, and i couldn't see him manipulating me with his emotions AT ALL. i guess what i'm wondering most is if they like to know other's thought processes, or if they get overwhelmed by them, in general, with that saturn there..? IP: Logged |