posted June 28, 2008 03:13 PM         

I love the way you put that "any volunteers for research here" with that smiley LOL

you know damn well muggins here will have a shot
you in? :P

posted June 28, 2008 03:16 PM         

Interesting question you made... do you think that the uncomfortable naked feeling could be similar to embarrassment?

posted June 28, 2008 03:23 PM         

We shall call it 'the naked feeling' then. It is not particularly embarrassment where some level of communication has been established but rather upon initially seeing someone before you register what you feel towards them, be it attracted, repulsed, or anything at all, you feel that you are naked, it is the first feeling. You can't hide your true self, which could be uncomfortable understandably for some...

posted June 28, 2008 04:05 PM         

Lara,

Just look for the Nodes of your Venus (you can use the ephemeris Glaucus gave here):
my Venus-NN is on 21° Sagittarius.

So, if I calculate:

Venus-Position: 276°
minus
Venus-NN-position: 261°

equals: 15° which is 15° Aries

So 15° Aries would be the position of my "Venusic" - Venus, derived from the NN (and it is coincidence that musicman`s Sun is exactly conjunct this, isn`t it?*sighs*).

Well, Rose Murray does it a bit differently. she just substracts the Venus-position from all other planets.

Example:
Venus on 5° Leo, which equals 125° in the zodiac

I want to know the position of a 130° Leo-sun in Venus-zodiac, then I would have to calculate

normal osition of sun: 130°
minus Venus-position: 125°

equals 5° Aries,w hich is the position of Sun in Venusian zodiac.

posted June 28, 2008 07:19 PM         

So if my natal venus is 21'45 aries and my natal NN is 18'45 aries there is not much to calculate right? lol

posted June 29, 2008 04:19 AM         

So, Darkdreamer, did Rose Murray explain the rationale behind the Venus Node method, or give an insight on this...? I would be interested to learn why opt for this process?

posted June 29, 2008 07:11 AM         

But I have a slightly different take on this. As you know the Draconics are very relevant in relationships and they are derived from the Moon`s node.

But as Glaucus said, EVERY planet and asteroid has Nodes, not only the Moon, so why not look at the Venus-Nodes in romantic relationships for example?
And like in the Draco`s (the Moon-zodiac) you can use the Venus-Nodes for calculating the "Venusiac" (I just liked that word ).

You have to go and find out the Northern Venus node with the help of the ephemeris Glaucus mentioned.

In my case my Venusian Northern Node is 19° Capricorn or 289° in the zodiac.

Now I can calculate all Veusiac positions like this:

my tropical Moon: 317° / 17° Aquarius

MINUS

the Venusian NN: 289°

EQUALS

28°

So, my Moon in the Venusiac (derived from the Venusian NOrthern Node) is 28° Aries.

Interestingly, the Northern node and Southern Node of Venus are NOT opposite each other, so there can be different results.

In my case my SOUTHern Venusian Node is on 21° Sagittarius.

So the calculation of my Moon would be like:

tropical Moon: 317°

MINUS

VEnusian SN: 261°

Equals

56° or 26° Taurus

So, you can see the difference, my Southern Venusiac Moon is on 26° Taurus, while my Northern Venusiac Moon is on 28° Aries.

NOw I had the idea, that you maybe can see wehre you have come from romantically and were you go to?

Like for example you can see if you have had a romantic past with a lover by compariing the positions in the Southern Venusiac (using the Venus SN) and if you are meant to have a romantic encounter again by looking at the Northern Venusiac (using the Venus NN).

Example:

Lets look at my Venus in the Venusiac (I guess it doesn`t get more romantic than that).

My Southern Venusiac Venus (the position in the zodiac calculated with Venus`outhern):

my tropical Venus: 276°

minus

Southern Venus NOde: 261°

equals

15° Aries

Northern Venusiac Venus:

tropical Venus: 276°

minus

northern Venus Node: 289°

equals

17° PIsces

So my Southern Venusiac Venus would be 15° Aries, while my Northern Venusiac Venus would be 17° Pisces.

my SV Venus is exactly conjunct Musicman`s Sun, while my NV Venus is conjunct his Mars by 3°.

*sighs* I actually wanted to show you how the Southern Venus Zodiac implies that there has been much affection and love in a previous life (my SV Venus conjunct his tropical Sun), while there is no such romantic implication in this life. But my NV Venus conjunct his Mars sorta ruins that attempt, doesnt it?

posted June 29, 2008 10:26 AM         

http://www.megadelfi.com/~jonathan/pos/

posted June 29, 2008 10:40 AM         

So my Venus NN is 22 Taurus ; SN is 20 Pisces

my venus NN is conjunct (1) my N mars and square (2) my N AC

conjunct (0) his N saturn and opposing (2) his N sun/moon midpoint.

My venus SN trines my valentine and armor (1)
trines his AC (2)

posted June 29, 2008 10:50 AM         

In answer to your earlier post DD, yes it might be that.

We have
sun semi-sextile pluto (0)
moon square pluto (1)
pluto sextile AC (3)
pluto opposing AC (8)
pluto trine mars (3)

so that might very well be it.

posted June 29, 2008 10:55 AM         

did you calculate the Draconic from your Venus NN and SN? (we can`t really call them Draconic, because the Draconics are calculated from the Moon`s Node, that is the reason I called them Venusiac).

posted June 29, 2008 11:01 AM         

Do you still have the link for that calculator please as l seem to have lost it

posted June 29, 2008 11:08 AM         

you star!

you want me to do the whole chart? lol
and his whole chart?

see ya in a few hours

so it's venus NN in box 1, planet in box 2 and what goes in box 3? (memory like a sieve)

you should see my house. I have 5 days to pack up my entire house whilst looking after 3 kids !!

posted June 29, 2008 02:51 PM         

Heliocentric Nodes of objects are always opposite each other.....they are also very slow moving,and so they can't be used in synastry. All the heliocentric nodes have to do with the collective.

the slower moving and more distant the object, the closer the nodes come into opposition in geocentric and the more they converge with the heliocentric nodes

for instance.....Eris is very slow moving and distant....slower moving and more distant than Pluto

my Geocentric North Eris Node is in 5'30 Taurus
My Geocentric South Eris Node is in 5'29 Scorpio
My Heliocentric Eris Nodes are in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio
My Sun is in 5'20 Scorpio
so Eris Nodes are very prominent in my chart

as you see...the geocentric nodes of Eris are almost exactly opposite each other and they pretty much converge with the heliocentric nodes of Eris

posted June 29, 2008 03:12 PM         

You think that there are TWO different types. That "fated/karmic" can contain a crap load of obstacles and hardships, whereas "bonus" is the aftermath. Like you've already gone through the karma-ness in a past life and now it's just complete joy being together. No strain or pain (for the most part!).

posted June 30, 2008 07:07 PM         

Please can you confirm to me if this is right please?

1st box 00'00 Aries
2nd box venus node
3rd box planet to calculate

posted July 02, 2008 03:40 PM         

DD

what do you think of the Venusian research?Have you saw anything interesting in your studies?It´s quite interesting your idea of using it in the Dracos,even if it might seem a bit "crazy" or "Unusual"

But i took a peek:

my VENUS NN is 4Leo and VENUS SN is 15Libra.

His VENUS NN is 23 Leo and VENUS SN is 4 Scorp.

If i take a look at natals i see:

His V.NN is conj my Venus 5º ( but i take it hihi).Conj my D.Psyche.Oposes my D.Osiris 3º.Trines my D.Eros 4º/D.Amor 1º

My V.NN trine his Mars 2º,Eros 4º

his V.SN conj my Saturn 4º.opose my JUNO EXACT,D.DEstinn and D.Union 3º

posted July 03, 2008 06:29 AM         

Have done my Venus NN planets to his natal. Will have to do the reserve when l have finished packing up my house!!!