posted July 05, 2008 02:20 PM         

I also have a favor to ask? Would you be willing to take a look at our asteroids if I post them? To see if there is any sort of theme to the relationship? I had an energy session recently which included a forgiveness ceremony/ritual with his higher self and the oversouls from all of our lifelines. It turns out that I betrayed him in all of our lifetimes. She only detailed out the top five that were affecting this lifetime. His resistance in this lifetime is due to his fear that I am going to hurt him again.

So I was hoping that someone with "fresh eyes", and a detached perspective could glance at the asteroids, and see if anything jumps out at you? Themewise, or patternwise?

I am just trying to have a clearer understanding about us. I guess I think that if I understand, then it won't hurt so bad. Maybe when we do finally come together, I will have some clue as to what I am supposed to be working on in this lifetime.

posted July 05, 2008 02:25 PM         

I can pretend it actually means something if you really want me to.

posted July 05, 2008 03:01 PM         

go, get your coat. (no offense intended)

I`m here and I actually think asteroids work - even though on a very subtle level.

Venus in Gemini,

posted July 05, 2008 03:27 PM         

The asteroids do make a diffrence.

You should read Martha lang Wescott's books
She gives so much info on asteroids and
exactly how they play out in our own chart
as well as those around us it may even
tell you who is involved.

posted July 05, 2008 03:38 PM         

A few years ago I would actually have agreed with you. HOw can these little pieces of rock, of which there are millions, mean anything at all?

But I tried them out, analysed several charts, including my own, and to my surprise I realized that they actually made a difference, or at least added some meaning.

posted July 05, 2008 04:16 PM         

And Darkdreamer, I would really appreciate your thoughts after I post the connections, because your own research has been nothing short of amazing. I have learned everything I know about asteroids and synastry from reading your posts, as well as IQHunk's, Venusdeindia, and Diandra's. There are others also...I didn't mean to leave you out!

posted July 05, 2008 05:24 PM         

Thanks to anyone who takes the time to look. I really appreciate it. I tried to pull out any aspects over 3 degrees. I know there are lots more oppositions, but I got tired! I posted the Main Synastry Aspects from SolarWriter at the end.

posted July 06, 2008 03:19 AM         

His D Valentine conjunct Her D IC 29 Leo/28Leo
His D Valentine conjunct Her N Pluto 29 Leo/0 Vir
His D Valentine conjunct Her N Moon 29 Leo/23 Leo

His D Destiny conjunct Her D nemesis ....u have caused his downfall in a past life...thats for sure. THAT is probably why he runs away.

His N Valentine conjunct Her D ASC
His D Karma conjunct Her N IC
His N DSC conjunct Her D Juno
His D IC conjuncts Her D Moon
His N Karma conjunct Her N ASC
His N Node conjunct Her N ASC
His N ASC conjunct Her N Vertex
His D IC conjuncts Her D Moon
His D ASC conjunct Her D DSC

all indicators of past life lovers or spouses.

His N MC conjunct Her N Chaos
His N Chaos conjunct Her N Chaos

not good...combined with the Nemesis aspect...

posted July 06, 2008 04:03 AM         

quote:

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i have my moon conjunct (exact) with someone's chaos. would that mean that this person may inspire emotional chaos in me or something?

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posted July 06, 2008 05:49 AM         

thank you for your nice words on my research.

I`ll have a look at the connections Venus de India gathered; I agree with her these seem to be the most important ones. (The problem with asteroids is that you can drown in a flood of them and miss seeing the big picture).

"His D Valentine conjunct Her D IC 29 Leo/28Leo"
° a past live loving connection, maybe in form of a close bond between family relatives (IC as a symbol for family rather than romance), but the IC doesn`t only signify the family and home, but also the inner core of your soul. That is the reason the IC is ALWAYS triggered in soulmate-relationships. (at least I think so).
Either through conjunction to the IC, other exact aspects, or aspects to the IC-ruler.
Someone who touches your IC, really touches your innermost soul, this part of you you usually hide away from ot hers because you feel the need to protect it, as it is the most vulnerable part of you.
Someone who loves that part of you, can do wonders for your soul and growth. And it seems that he did so in a past life and that you still feel that vibration (of course someone who has the key to that private room of your soul, also could do a lot of damage to it). That is the reason not all people really like it, if someone has access to their soul like that.

" D Valentine conjunct Her N Pluto 29 Leo/0 Vir"
Very intense passionate love. it`s a bit like Venus-Pluto conjunction but without the superficiality of Venus. it`s deeper and more unconditional.
You`re obsessed and insanely attracted with the way he used to love you in a previous life; it`s not as obvious as it would be, if it was his tropical Valentine, it`s more kind of subtle, under the surface. That love is still there, but maybe he doesn`t acknowledge it, it`s some kind of subconscious, but nevertheless strong.

"is D Valentine conjunct Her N Moon 29 Leo/23 Leo"
I think this might be too wide.
Venus de India, you REALLY count that? it`s 6°, far out of the 3° orb.

"His N Valentine conjunct Her D ASC"
He loves the very essence of you (I Have a hard time explaining what the ASC means, because it definitely is more than just the appearance in a physical sense; it`s a very personal point).

"His D Karma conjunct Her N IC"
Definitely a past life connection. Maybe as family relatives. And again he seems to have the key to your soul.

"His N DSC conjunct Her D Juno"
A marriage in a past life, which reaches into the present life. A repetition of a connection / relationship would probably satisfy his partnership-needs, even though he may not be aware of this.

"His D IC conjuncts Her D Moon"
Family-relation. A feeling of belonging together. Very emotional bond and closeness.
You had a very easy access to his soul in a past life, and some of this vibration still lingers on. Maybe he is afraid of that, because you can see his naked soul?

"His N Karma conjunct Her N ASC"
fated connection I guess.

"His N Node conjunct Her N ASC"
I must be quiet about this one, because I share this with Jude Law (his ASC exactly conjunct my NN and his Venus also conjuncts my NN) and if I dare to think about this one, I will fall prey to illusions. Maybe someone else can help out here.

"His D ASC conjunct Her D DSC"
A sign of a very strong attraction.
He IS (ASC) what you need or are attracted to (DSC).
It`s like he is the key to your lock, the yang to your yin, or the ASC to your DSC.

posted July 06, 2008 11:33 AM         

I wonder if it all just comes down to me finally loving him this lifetime, and not betraying him? That I finally return his love in this lifetime?

This one jumps out at me:
His D Anteros conjunct Her D Chiron 24 Can

Anteros was the god of "unrequited love", and "love returned". With it being my Chiron, is that what I finally heal in him?

What do you guys think?

The Sabian for 24 Cancer is:
A willful man is overshadowed by a descent of superior power....

??

posted July 06, 2008 01:20 PM         

IQ said that he is the Saturn in this lifetime, and he controls the timing of the karma release. Of when we come together. I asked him to forgive me during the energy session I had. She said he forgave me. That all of his over souls forgave me, from each of the lifelines. And with the forgiveness, it released a lot of the old karmic cords of pain we had to work through.

And here is another interesting thing. I did the charts for his two sons and his ex wife. I have similar strong connections with them. Almost to the exact sign, house, and degree. In the composite charts, there is the same Grand Fire Trine, in the same houses, and at the same degrees. So I have had many lifetimes with the whole family. The entire soul family. Which I also saw when I started doing the past life regression/meditation that Venusdeindia told me about. During the forgiveness ceremony/ritual, she also called in my daughter's higher self, and I had to do the same thing with her, because she was also connected to him. And when I looked at their synastry, that was also evident.

posted July 07, 2008 08:14 PM         

His natal North Node conjunct my natal ASC 8 Sag

His natal Vertex conjunct my natal ASC 3 Sag/8 Sag (a little wide)

His natal Cupid conjunct my natal ASC 8 Sag

His natal Karma conjunct my natal ASC 6 Sag/8 Sag

His natal Hera conjunct my natal ASC 9 Sag/8 Sag

Does he feel that the relationship is fated? Because it's his North Node? Or is it only me that feels it is fated? Is his Node pulling me, and that is the reason I feel it is meant to be?

And Hera would mean the same as Juno...a committed relationship? Is that true?

posted July 08, 2008 05:49 AM         

just by looking at your natal conections with his AC i would say that they point to a very meaningful relationship.

It´s not only his pAth to meet you(VX and NNand KARMA),BUT also to love You (Cupid and Valentine aspecting the angles).

I DO see HERA as same as Juno and as you both have a DC conj Juno,that Hera conj AC is there for a reason

I have no doubt that he feels the fatedness and the " meant to be ",but as you know,he also has his issues to solve,many of them through your help and patience.

If you want to know more about those fears and patterns he must solve,try to analyse closely his natal and draco concerning the planets like saturn and pluto;asteroids like Pholus,Lilith,Nemesis,Hades.

See if yours affect some of his angles/personals too

posted July 08, 2008 05:54 AM         

My bf has his saturn and pluto in his 4th - so here i know that his 4th house contains issues that he must work out in order to evolve: restrictive family backgound that has made him feel too responsible for the members; Pluto there shows the Mother,a deep and intense relationship with her that sometimes might pull him back ( and NOTE that he has a CANCER AC...)

posted July 08, 2008 01:22 PM         

I know he does have a lot to work through, both from past lives and this one. I really do believe that is what I will heal in this lifetime....which also balances the karma from our previous lifetimes (when I betrayed him).

His natal Destiny conjuncts my natal Lilith exact at 16 Aries. Sabian: "Two Dignified Spinsters Sitting in Silence"...not sure what that means) Does Lilith mean he faces his shadows, or his fears with me? He is destined to meet those fears? Or is it my dark side, my shadow that he meets? I know that I have opened up all of his old wounds. I actually said that to him on our last weekend. I told him that we had opened up each others wounds. But I asked him to recognize that you have to open the wounds in order for them to heal. So I think that is what he is working through right now. I haven't seen him since June 1st.

And he is a Cancer Sun and Ascendant, so I know exactly what you are talking about. He is also overly responsible for all of the family. He always takes care of everyone else first.

I am patiently waiting for him to work through it. I really feel like he does come back. I believe the chart does say we are supposed to be together. There is a Sun Trine Saturn in the synastry, and that is usually indicative of a long term relationship.

posted July 08, 2008 03:38 PM         

i have been into astrology for only 2 years now - since i met my bf - and i have learned to look at it like a dearest friend - it helps me to learn and to understand myself better and the others who are around me as well.

I´ve become a much more awaredness person and i look things on a diferent perspective now - nothing happens by chance and everything has a deeper meaning - we are the ones who must want to evolve and learn.

I feel your pAin - Cancers are adorable but complex to understand hihi

They look at us like those cute puppies with those eyes and we just cant go away without melting.

here are some threads about Lilith:it´s a very complex subject for me to explain to you : you will understand what means by looking at these:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010794.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010134.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000577-2.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009918.html
http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

posted July 10, 2008 07:21 PM         

And when I got to Asclepius, I smiled, because he was the God of Healing...! He was taught by Chiron, and could heal the sick, and bring back the dead.

And look...it's his destiny!

His Natal Destiny conjunct Her Natal Asclepius - 16 Ari/14 Ari

I have always felt that was what I was supposed to do. That is what would happen. That my love would heal his wounds.

That also correlates with what I have been told by the psychics. That is heart has basically shut down from being able to give and receive love. That he doesn't trust anymore. I think his heart chakra isn't open. I think people that have been hurt so badly from their relationships, or marriages...they just close it off. In an effort to never be hurt again.

posted July 11, 2008 05:32 AM         

i know what you feel...

When i met my bf he was a very loner guy,and single for more than 4 years,thinking he would never give his heart to anyone anymore:he has 1 first serious relationship who caused him many wounds,angers,traumas,and he was the one always the "giver" with generosity and love torwards the girl - she never deserved to have him 4 years of her life...

So,he wasnt trusting in LOVE nor in people,specially women.
But i showed him he could and should open his heart and not have fear to love cause love is healing when it´s pure and gived from the deepest in our Souls.

We´ve been healing each other´s wounds since then and we never regret to have trusted in our love

posted July 11, 2008 05:55 AM         

if there is ONE single asteroid that stands out as a love/soulmate connection - even if all others are left out of the chart - which one is THE one to be included/researched?

posted July 11, 2008 08:47 AM         

i would give major importance to asteroids karma and valentine,personally.

I have seen it playing major importance in sinastries of soulmate couples so I would closely pay attention to those both in tropical and draco sinastry ( and also look at the solstice conjunctions,not only the regular aspects).

AS ASC is the fastest point of chart,close aspects from one to another´s AC will somehow hint you to a very special person and relationship.
As there are so many people you can meet and encounter in all your life,not many will have those impact over your AC/DSC Axis and you surely will feel it.