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tuxedo meow
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posted October 11, 2006 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What sign and house is your Lilith? Natally mine is 8th house Pisces- doubly secretive-knowflakes, any knowledge to share about your dark moon Lilith in houses and signs? or mine? How does it relate psychologically and in relationship issues?

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Dulce Luna
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posted October 11, 2006 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine is conjunct my actual moon in virgo-in the 8th house

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Marina
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posted October 11, 2006 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine conjuncts Leo AC and is in the 1st house. Yeah, I can be arrogant at times...

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Sun in Gemini
AC in Leo
Moon in Pisces

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posted October 11, 2006 11:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine is in aquarius in 3rd house.
I don`t really know what that means. But I noticed, that the moon of my real-life-crush is opposite it. It must mean something; I`m just not sure, what.

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posted October 11, 2006 12:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine's in Cancer in the 10th house trine Jupiter and Quincunx Uranus.

Not completely sure what that means, but I get the jist of it.

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Glaucus
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posted October 11, 2006 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My true black Moon Lilith is retrograde in 5'43 Scorpio conjunct my Sun in 5'20 Scorpio...the conjunction is in 2nd house near the 3rd house cusp.

http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/lilith-dark-moon.html
http://www.astrologyalive.com/LilithSPEAKS.html
http://www.heliastar.com/triplegoddess.html#blackmoon
http://www.sria.org/lilith_demon.htm
http://www.horoscope-picks.com/myblog.html

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Azalaksh
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posted October 11, 2006 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya tux

Here’s some links on Lilith. My Mean Lilith -- not the nasty one , the position you get when you choose Lilith in the “additional objects” box at astro.com -- is in the 2nd at 3 Libra, conjunct my Venus at 2 Libra. Actually, I’ve started using True BML, which is object (lower-case “h”) h13 and can be entered in the “additional asteroids or hypothetical planets” box.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000577.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002272.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004059.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004151.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001165.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006838.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008453.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007939.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/001161.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004867.html

There may be more in beebuddy's COOL LINKS WITH DESCRIPTIONS thread, and I think I'll add this one in there too.....

Zala

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Peri
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posted October 11, 2006 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are tree points and a body.

2 Black Moon Liliths: one is mean BML (Lilith on additional objects list in astro.com) the other is true BML (h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee on the list of "hypothetical" planets )

asteroid Lilith (#1181 on the list of named asteroids)

and Dark Moon Lilith (h58 Waldemath Black Moon on the list of "hypothetical" planets)

In my opinion, BML represents the subconscious part of our mind or the Unknown, its a hightly individual point in the chart, it is something that makes us different from others. BML also represents our anima/animus figure which is very interesting for synastry charts comparison. A relationship under the influence of BML may grow into a dangerous liaison, into a painful, intense, obsessive or strange love affair.

Which of them to use true or mean? The true is the more accurate placement but an ephemeris for it has only been available for about 10 years so not as much work has been done using it.
From my personal experience, I can say mean BML does work and manifests itself in transits and synastry quite noticeably! As for true BML, I haven't studied it properly yet.

Asteroid Lilith indicates where a person does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community, where we struggle with social judgments. In synastry, it can provoke confrontations with gender role stereotypes or a non-submissive disposition with regard to gender roles, personal independence and the use of sex as a weapon of vengeance or domination or maybe even lack of sexual commitment.

As for Dark Moon Lilith, it's a debated dark shadow around the Earth. Some think it is a ball of space dust, which would explain why it doesn't reflect the Sun as other Moons do. According to Delphine Jay,the effect of Dark Moon Lilith is distinctly impersonal. I have never worked with DML. So I have nothing to say about it.

My mean BML on the 5th house cusp conjunct Jupiter and parallel Sun
My true BML in the 4th conjunct Sun and asteroid Datura
asteroid Lilith in the 1st conjunct asteroid Child in opposition to Saturn
DML conjunct Juno in the 10th...

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aloneinkyoto
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posted October 11, 2006 09:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as i said above.. my black moon lilith is in cancer, but my dark moon lilith is in pisces conjunct with my mercury in pisces, trine pluto and sextile neptune. i found that to be interesting, i'm not sure what it means though, i can't find much online.. anyone have any thoughts?

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tuxedo meow
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posted October 13, 2006 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedo meow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read that the placement of my Lilith in Pisces in the 8th doubles my secretiveness and yes, my whole chart seems to be about holding things close and being hard to know and a bit eccentric- When I first moved to the Gulf Coast I did not answer any questions or supply ANY personal info. Not even stuff like,"How are you today?" or "What is your name?" I just did not answer ANYTHING personal and still am not comfortable with it.

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darkdreamer
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posted August 12, 2008 05:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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lalalinda
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posted August 12, 2008 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Raymond, Total Epiphany here.
I can so see your Sun/Lilith conjunction.
Yours is so defining Raymond.

I guess the bottom line is we are all connected to,
and are an extension of, (from birth)
our mothers.

thank you

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jane
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posted August 12, 2008 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have BML in Virgo in my 11th house.

Mean BML is square my Sag sun, and true BML is square my Neptune. (Both are 0º orbs.) I don't like bullsh*t. I don't call most people out on theirs...I like to give people the space to be whoever they are, even if who they are is a bullsh*t artist uninterested in truth. But in close relationships and in order to respect someone, I need to see that they're more concerned with learning what's true than with settling on what's conveniently true. An open mind that thinks critically is a requirement for me with anyone I get close to. This isn't just for my own enjoyment , but b/c people who aren't like that would probably be very annoyed by me. I think this may be due to my Virgo BML action, but then again it may just be my mercury in Sco.

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amowls
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posted August 12, 2008 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mean BML: 19 Leo, 3rd house, exactly opposite my Sun, trine my Mars by 1 degree

true BML: 5 Virgo, 4th house conjunct my IC (1 degree orb)

asteroid lilith: 26 Leo, 3rd house, opposite my Mercury (2 degrees), sextile my AC (1 degree)

DML: 21 Scorpio, 6th house, square my Sun (2 degrees), trine NN (2 degrees)

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posted August 12, 2008 10:56 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At 23 Leo (like Betty Davis) in the 10th. I like an audience. Or, rather, I like my audience to respect mah authoritay!

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posted August 12, 2008 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Lilith is in the 3rd House at 9 Capricorn 21' 49".

It is opposite my NN,
Square my Vertex
Trine my Venus and PoF
and Sextile my Jupiter.

What does this mean?

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amowls
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posted August 12, 2008 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Asteroid Lilith indicates where a person does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community, where we struggle with social judgments. In synastry, it can provoke confrontations with gender role stereotypes or a non-submissive disposition with regard to gender roles, personal independence and the use of sex as a weapon of vengeance or domination or maybe even lack of sexual commitment.

Wow, mine conjuncts my boyfriend's moon exactly. We always get into fights about gender roles (him: FEMINISM IS ******** , me: NO *ANGRY TEARS*, him: IRON MY SHIRT, me: IRON YOUR OWN GOD DAMN SHIRT *angry tears*)

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posted August 12, 2008 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorp31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic, Mine is in Aquarius 5th house along with Juno and Pallas.

DM Lilith in Aquarius, 5th ~ your creative style has a distinctly 'impersonal' feel to it ~ preferring "the good of humanity", "global consciousness" and "the big picture" to personal credit & fame & glory ~ although, you are 'right on the mark' with this ~ if you don't give yourself any credit (or accept credit given/assigned to you by others, graciously & joyfully) you cannot really *feel* for yourself the ways to be part of the "global consciousness" you champion so well ~ conflicts you experience in this area are meant to open you up to more


That interpretation is dead on I really hate taking personal credit for anything I prefer to bask in the happiness of the end result.

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posted January 12, 2010 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 28, 2010 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you look at your chart on Astrodient and is has Lilith.
Is that the asteroid Lilith--not black moon?


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Aya_and_baby
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posted March 28, 2010 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
4th house Aries.

I have absolutely no idea what that means.

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cherle
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posted March 28, 2010 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have it in 1st in Libra, conjunct Pluto in Virgo and Uranus in Libra. This was I was able to dig up on my own placement:

quote:
In the 1st House: "Having Black Moon Lilith in 1st house suggests strong influence of the values of the Black Moon in your personality. Intense passions - but they may be hidden in the depths of the unconscious mind (Pandora's box) . Extremely violent emotions at times. Rebellious nature, which can engage in fights against patriarchal authority. In a female chart, in particular, this can mean great difficulties and conflicts with the father. Profound connection with occult mysteries. Natural understanding of the hidden laws of nature. Having Black Moon in the first house is an invitation for the native to study the myth of Lilith and ponder on its implications." http://reneeastro.blogspot.com/2009/01/1st-house-lilith-in-aquarius.html

Yeah, that's me. *sigh* Definitely me in all my violently passionate and depths-dwelling glory. It's not as romantic as one might think.

In aspect with Pluto:

quote:
On the lower mode: rich, complex and tenacious sexual fantasies or on the contrary, fear of sexuality.
On the higher mode, the need for purity, perfection and absolute can be extreme.
The conjunction, opposition, square, and trine are aspects which can strongly reinforce the occult
nature of Pluto, giving tremendous insight into the hidden mysteries of life and sharp astral energy in
plenty.
There is also an immense potential of energy available to realise one's goals, but one needs to be able
to go deep inside oneself to contact it and tap from it.
In the conjunction and the opposition, the meeting of Hades and Lilith can make great esotericists
and magicians, but also necromancers. Think of people such as Yogananda (Black Moon-Pluto
opposition), Gurdjieff (trine), Ramdass (trine), Samuel Sagan (opposition), Rajneesh (square in the birth
chart, opposed in the chart of death). But think also of Adolf Hitler (very significant conjunction in the 8th
house), or Aleister Crowley (opposition). And, last but not least, Shirley MacLaine (on the Midheaven). http://tribes.tribe.net/darkmoongoddesslilith/thread/3bb5215f-f39a-41d9-9b15-78de451ba807


I'm no nercomancer but I do find I must go deep, deep within myself to find my potential, which once I find it seems ot me very powerful and frightening, and perhaps far too much to realize. I also think this may way people have tried to censor and suppress me when I do try to realize my potential, out of a fear of this deep, powerful Plutonian potential I possess (keep in mind my Pluto is also in my 1st house, so this could be why people sense this potentiala dn react to it so intensely).

Here is an article of Black Moon Lilith in Libra that I can realte to alot as well: http://tribes.tribe.net/darkmoongoddesslilith/thread/a7a69123-5d50-4ad5-b802-0887185a4bbc


I can't find anything about BML cj. Uranus, which likely is important for me, because my Uranus is also a cardinal singleton.

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cherle
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posted March 28, 2010 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also wonder if having such a powerful aspected BML in my 1st adds to my deeply passionate obsession about men, as it trines my 9th house Gemini Venus. I love men, but intimacy with them if difficult for me, because as soon as the man does something I makes me lose respect for him, I can get very awful and rageful, perhaps abusive. And god help him is he's done something that has made me feel betrayed. It's as though I feel driven to rip his heart out and destroy his soul. I am not at all proud of this, the conflicting adoration for and rage toward men that I have, and it something I have worked hard to understand and diffuse. But I am a wrathful woman when scorned, no doubt about it!

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Ami Ann
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posted April 01, 2010 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Cherle
Things like that are very hard. I have it with woman.
It is hard to let my guard down and trust that I will not be knifed
cuz I WAS knifed by my mother my whole life.
Sometimes I think I will never heal it. Sometimes I think I can.
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posted February 25, 2018 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine conjuncts my Sun and Venus in Sagittarius.

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