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koiflower
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posted July 13, 2008 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message

Would anyone know the significance of one person's Valentine on another's IC?

Venusdeindia mentioned seeing Valentine and Karma appear on significant (soulmate?) relationships.

I thought it may have to do with past life stuff. Am I on the wrong track?

This aspect is at 0 degrees on a synastry chart.

All views/opinions/ideas welcome!

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Lara
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posted July 13, 2008 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hi

If its conjunct or trine then its really special!

I have a habit of attracting DW's of valentine trine AC 0'

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Lara
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posted July 13, 2008 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
hi

If its conjunct or trine then its really special!

I have a habit of attracting DW's of valentine trine AC 0'

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venus in gemini
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posted July 13, 2008 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Koiflower,

Here is Darkdreamer's recent interpretation for me about the Valentine/IC aspect in my synastry chart. This is from the Draco chart, so she was referencing it is a past life aspect. But I think it will still relate to you, since the IC can mean family, but also your inner soul. The IC is the deepest part of you..your inner core.

His Draco Valentine conjunct Her Draco IC - a past life loving connection, maybe in form of a close bond between family relatives (IC as a symbol for family rather than romance), but the IC doesn`t only signify the family and home, but also the inner core of your soul. That is the reason the IC is ALWAYS triggered in soulmate-relationships.
Either through conjunction to the IC, other exact aspects, or aspects to the IC-ruler.
Someone who touches your IC, really touches your innermost soul, this part of you you usually hide away from ot hers because you feel the need to protect it, as it is the most vulnerable part of you. Someone who loves that part of you, can do wonders for your soul and growth. And it seems that he did so in a past life and that you still feel that vibration (of course someone who has the key to that private room of your soul, also could do a lot of damage to it). That is the reason not all people really like it, if someone has access to their soul like that.

I also pulled some of my notes for you from IQHunk's old threads about Valentine. He thought Valentine in the synastry was almost more important and stronger than Venus.

About Asteroid Valentine, it resonates to the frequency of Saint Valentine who represents sacrifice for the sake of love.

Valentine-Valentine and Juno-Juno conjunction. A very rare combination that produces the most intense love and desire to be each other's spouse/mate/soul mate.

Valentine type true love means ready to sacrifice everything even the life for the loved one. The Amor love will appeal to a bad guy to not shoot. The Valentine love would get in the way of the bullet instantly.

Valentine (Trine) The most important love aspect is satisfied. Indicates a happy and harmonious love. Along with Amor trine, lilith trine, Aphro trine and Juno opposition, this can indicate a happy marriage.

I have Valentine conjunct True Node double whammy with the love of my life. We have so many negative synastry aspects but this one placement seems to be erasing their effect.

What does it mean if your Valentine is conjunct your partner's Pluto and your Chiron is conjunct their Amor?...Valentine conjunct Pluto means obsessive and passionate love that can even cause wars. Think of Menelaus, Helen and the Trojan War.

He "truly loves" (Valentine) her personality, her value systems and her limitations/mental structure.

Valentine signifies true love, the love that causes marriage even at the cost of lives, love that is sacrifice for each other.

And the link to one of the Asteroid threads that talks about Valentine:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009111.html

Hope that helps.

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Diandra23
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posted July 13, 2008 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
DD,

what would you say about these aspects?2 born within 2 months apart:

-Oneīs lilith/Juno conj others Juno

-Oneīs SAturn/Mars conj others IC

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koiflower
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posted July 13, 2008 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message

thank you so much venusingemini...!!! I will take a look at that thread after work today!

It looks like a positive aspect, indeed!

Lara, sorry to be ignorant - rushing off to work this morning.... what does DW mean, pls?

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Lara
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posted July 13, 2008 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
double whammy aspects

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heart cakes
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posted July 13, 2008 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heart cakes     Edit/Delete Message
woah. we have valentine EXACTLY conjunct: his valentine, my juno. no clue what it means though.

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vesta-sister
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posted July 13, 2008 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta-sister     Edit/Delete Message

That sounds beautiful !

I have my valentine conjunct J's
verte
and his valentine conjunct my eros
Then J's draco Val conjunct my draco Val
0 degree.

Also his draco Isis and moon conj my trop moon trine his trop venus

And my draco osiri and amor conj his trop sun trine my trop mars.

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darkdreamer
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posted July 13, 2008 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Diandra,

Lilith / Juno conjunct Juno would mean a strong emphasis on the feminine principle. Juno conjunct Juno could indicate a good marriage, as IQ mentioned; with Lilith there things could reach deep under the surface and bring forth very primal emotions (we are speaking of Black moon lilith?)

Mars / Saturn in contact to IC could be a bit harsh and painful for the IC-owner.
The Mars-SAturn person would "hit" them at their deepest core. And if this person is too energetic or pushy (Mars) or too critical (Saturn), then the IC-owner would be hurt very badly.
The Saturn-Mars-person doesn`t need to mean it bad, but the IC-owner is VERY sensitive and possibly trying to protect his soul from the "invasion". It`s like Mars is shouting: "I DEMAND entrance to your soul. NOW!" for example.
It`s like the MArs-Saturn person pushes for entry and steps on the brakes at the same time (don`t forget Saturn is very vulnerable him or herself, just they try to cover it up; two vulnerable energies like that can easily misunderstand and hurt each other, even though they only want the best for each other).

In a positive way Mars can encourage the IC-person to open up emotionally and SAturn can give great feelings of security and safety.

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Diandra23
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posted July 14, 2008 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you DD

your description fits what i was expecting unfortunately...

These were aspects between my bf and another girl from the past.

Remember of me talking about kiron and love in relationships?And that sometimes people widraw from others cause pf past wounds?
I see that it happened with him and that girl- as i was reading your analisis i completely understood how he was bad treated and how she "invaded" his intimate soul...

Yes i was talking about black moon lilith and it made me think that her Lilith conj his juno could mean also that her deepest dark side ( envy,harted,guilt,fears) hit him on his Juno idelas ( ideal woman,natural partner) , the same time that her juno conj his juno.
So from one side,he could see her as a partner and be atrated but she reprensented also for him, a person who brought him fears,trauma,guilt,danger etc...
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/lilith-dark-moon.html

Lilith could be used in a god way ( motherwood,principle of the ideal woman,awakening of the feminine in him,...) but i think here it was the darker side that won.

HEATR CAKES

THAT Valentine conj valentine/juno is an awesome aspect - IQ told that those 2 persons could be forever in true love adn nothing would aprt them.

Vesta

in your case,true love is associated with erotic love adn with Fate.
Dracos Valentine conj would mean that you were partners in another life

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darkdreamer
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posted July 14, 2008 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Diandra,

I`m sorry to hear that it had such negative implications for him.

But this is all in the past, isn`t it? He has got you now, or does he withdraw from you, too?

BTW I finally wrote that mail to Paul. *deep sigh*
I donīt think I`m going to get an answer, but I did it anyway; I had an urgent question for him concerning the upcoming concert so I had actually a REASON for this mail.
Still it feels rather unbelievable that I wrote to him.

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Lara
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posted July 14, 2008 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
DD, I promise to email you once u FET my computer back online this Wednesday as my phone won't send emails at moment!... hope you are well. Mike and I are finding it very difficult to let go of each other... maybe the valentine/AC DW isn't helping lol

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darkdreamer
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posted July 14, 2008 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

that is understandable, after all you didn`t part because of lack of love. You parted even though you were still in love; but please remember your views on the future and life haven`t changed.
You still have kids and are living on another continent.

I still think true love can overcome this obstacle, but it takes courage and patience, and no foul compromises.

But I understand how hard it must be if you know the other still loves you, you still love him, and yet you can`t be together. That is so unfair.

But sometimes the lifepaths are just too different.

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Diandra23
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posted July 14, 2008 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
DD

You crazy girl hihihi - you did perfectly well!Letīs wait and see what it comes out of that e mail...

LARA,

i think it was the 1st timeyou actually wrote his name...what might that mean?..i am no one on what it concerns to experience in life but to me it feels that your Story isnt over yet-maybe it will take time but whenever two pwersons are ready,everything happens in the right moment.

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Lara
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posted July 14, 2008 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
DD and Diandra,
I know
I was doing really well keeping it together until he emailed me saying he missed me. Made me realist how much I a missing him and just burying it to survive.

Maybe our story is not yet over... its all so sad, especially with these beautiful valentine aspects.

Valentine
trine my AC
trine his moon/Jupiter/AC
dr valentine conj his dr psyche
dr valentine opposes his n Eros
dr valentine trine his n NN
dr valentine opposes dr valentine exact!
valentine conjunct Composite AC

and those are only the ones I know from memory as can't access charts at moment!
grrrrr x


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posted July 14, 2008 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta-sister     Edit/Delete Message
I was wondering what this would be like?

his trop valentine and venus conjunct her trop sun, psyche,jupiter,ceres,chiron and her dr valentine. opposition her verte and trine her neptune.

his dr lova and pluto conjunct her trop sun and jupiter.

her trop valentine trine his dr moon and saturn.

any takers ?

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posted July 14, 2008 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
DD...sent you an e mail!

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posted July 14, 2008 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,
I really think he comes back. I have been doing this for over two years with my guy...the back and forth. They get just so close....and they run. They back up. I think your guy just got scared with the responsibility of it all...you moving cross continent, kids, etc. Scared. But he is going to be thinking about it. And weighing all the heaviness of that responsibility against how wonderful he felt when he was with you. You see? He will work through it. But he has to do it at his own pace. And look at the transits he was (or is) going through. When someone in that other thread pointed that out, I went back and looked at my guy, and he was going through a lot of the same transits. And look....I haven't heard from him since June 1st. He's in his cave thinking....trying to move past his fears so he can make a decision.

I also read somewhere that distance is usually involved in relationships like this. Being kept apart. Look at me...there is only 100 miles keeping us apart, and I can't seem to bridge that yet. And I think Diandra's relationship also involves distance, because I think her guy lives in another city. (Correct me if I'm wrong Diandra!)

Another thing....what are your Saturn and Chiron aspects with him? IQHunk told me that my guy was the Saturn in our relationship. That he controlled the timing. The release of the karma. And I owe him all the karma. I betrayed him in all of our lifetimes. I try to remember that when I am hurting, and wondering if it ever comes together.

Hope that helps some....

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amowls
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posted July 14, 2008 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
What about Squares?

My Valentine squares my boyf's Venus (his Valentine conjuncts my Venus).

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Diandra23
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posted July 15, 2008 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diandra23     Edit/Delete Message
you are right Venus

we live in diferent cities - itīs a 3 hour trip by car but we have been managing to see each other at weekends.

i know this: when distance is involved,true love grows even more. Distance keeps the persons even tighter to each other;it makes them fight.

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Lara
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posted July 15, 2008 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Venus in Gem,

We have no Saturn/Chiron aspects!

I agree with you on the other points though... even if he comes back we still have the distance and I still have 3 kids.

DD, agree it does make you fight lol is that good?!!

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posted July 15, 2008 06:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for darkdreamer     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

I guess it depends of how much you`re willing to risk and compromise WITHOUT feeling that you compromised too much.

Sure, true love can win in the end. But to do that, both of you must be willing to walk it to the end. For him that means he has to accept that you have responsibilities and your kids.
And if he can`t do that, then he might love you still, but his love might not be strong enough to really change his life.

DD

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posted July 16, 2008 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,
What about your Karma aspects? That will indicate what needs to be worked through, and whether it will be easy or not. What areas will take a greater level of effort, i.e., the squares, oppositions, quincunx, etc.

All my guy's Karma aspect to me are easy...trines, etc. All my Karma aspects to him are squares, oppositions, etc. I owe him all the karma from our past lives.

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Lara
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posted July 25, 2008 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
anyone know what this DW means please? I can't find any info on it anywhere!!!

his valentine trine my amor (1)
his amor square my valentine (3)


Thanks

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