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N_De
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posted July 20, 2008 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for N_De     Edit/Delete Message
Is moon conjunct pluto one of them?
And what are the others?
This is not to say that everyone who has their moon conjunct pluto was raped or sexually abused.

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augentier
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posted July 20, 2008 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for augentier     Edit/Delete Message
Being around ****** people is an indication..

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Azalaksh
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posted July 20, 2008 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
There are transits that could show a *likelihood* of power/control issues -- but please realize that NOT everything that happens in life is mapped out in an astrological chart.

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Belage
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posted July 20, 2008 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
Pluto square or oppose moon. Pluto square or oppose Venus.

All these are possible indications, not certainty of course.

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belgz
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posted July 20, 2008 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
No it would be mars and pluto... magi astrology even thinks having this as a personal aspect can make u have a love of war and sex type something ill have to read it later and type it here

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Kick It
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posted July 20, 2008 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Just look in the natal for crime commited/crime against. I guess the 6th/12th axis is ok for that. Pluto and/or 8th house linked to that.

Logical way of looking at it.

Why do you want to know?

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GeminiLover75
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posted July 20, 2008 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiLover75     Edit/Delete Message
All the women in my family have Pluto-moon aspects and none of us has been sexually abused or violated.

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bvanzy
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posted July 20, 2008 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
I don't see how Moon/Pluto would be an indicator of such a thing. What's the theory?

Belgz

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No it would be mars and pluto... magi astrology even thinks having this as a personal aspect can make u have a love of war and sex type something ill have to read it later and type it here

I'd be interested if you would get back on this if you have the time.

I've seen various aspects said by magi to be indicative of a potentially violent character, but it was things like Mars conjunct Sun (which I have), but also Venus conjunct Mars they said could be interpreted as sadistic rather than sexual.

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venusdeindia
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posted July 20, 2008 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venusdeindia     Edit/Delete Message
hard aspects between

natal venus and nessus
natal Persephone/proserpina and pluto.

also in synastry be careful of someone whose planets make above aspects to yours.

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Urania*
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posted July 21, 2008 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Urania*     Edit/Delete Message
I've got Pluto conjunct IC. I've been sexually abused as a child by a relative. And this is the first time I've admitted that. My moon also makes a quincunx to pluto (22 deg. pisces/19 deg. pluto)

Edit: Proserpina and Pluto make a square. 18 Capricorn/19 Libra.

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taurus/gemini cusp
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posted July 21, 2008 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus/gemini cusp     Edit/Delete Message
Urania.

I sadly have too much experience in this area. I was sexually abused and raped between the ages of 8 and 14 by a male relative. I have also experienced separate occurrences of rape as an older teenager.

My 4th house is appalling. It's home to Mars, Saturn and Pluto (the three malefics) which are ALL retrograde. I would have said that this might be responsible for the sexual abuse at home, at least. My Pluto also squares my moon.

I will post my chart for you to look at - perhaps you can point out anything that you think might point to what you're looking for. Here it is.....

I feel quite embarrassed for admitting this so publicly so may take the "gory details" down at some point. I'll leave the chart up.

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Kick It
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posted July 21, 2008 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for sharing these unfortunate incidents for all to see. How have you been coping with what happened?

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Luvly
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posted July 21, 2008 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luvly     Edit/Delete Message
Please don't feel embarrassed for sharing - You are very Brave.
Thank You for being so open.

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LadyNeptune
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posted July 21, 2008 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyNeptune     Edit/Delete Message
You are, like other said so brave.

I can't help but notice the yod in your chart. Not that yods are indicative of abuse but your's shows your challenge quite well.

The apex is your sun, in the 11th house.The pluto in the fourth could represent the abuse (or abuser). It's sextile the neptune at a critical degree in the 5th house of sex.


I'm so sorry this happened to you.

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lovegoblin
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posted July 21, 2008 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovegoblin     Edit/Delete Message
i appreciate your sharing.

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LadyNeptune
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posted July 21, 2008 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyNeptune     Edit/Delete Message
Pluto is right around your neptune right now. This is probably activating your yod. This could be why you opened up. It would be a good time for you to to resolve your feelings regarding this. I think you could make significant headway right now.

Pluto can transform how you view it and intimacy now, making you rise from the ashes like a phoenix above all of this. You would have to delve (pluto) into this with someone very trusted and gifted as a counselor.

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posted July 22, 2008 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BLKFox     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with belgz...I have Mars conj Pluto, and I am an incest survivor.
I'm not embarrassed by the fact & I certainly wouldn't wish this on anyone---it's my life, unpleasant as the reality of child sexual abuse is(or ANY kind of abuse)& one of the elements that made me who I am today.
Self acceptance is a personal ourney made easier if one is "inner" directed rather than "outer" directed.
Embarrassment comes from making what OTHERS think more important than ones own emotional process.

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N_De
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posted July 22, 2008 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for N_De     Edit/Delete Message
Mars Square Pluto

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taurus/gemini cusp
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posted July 23, 2008 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurus/gemini cusp     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you all very much for your support.

It is actually my abuser's birthday today. He lives in New Zealand nowadays, but is coming back to visit the family in August.

One thing I must tell you is that I made peace with my abuser almost 6 years ago, on the eve of my then infant son's christening. He tearfully apologised for what he put me through and I knew then, that he was and always will be, more messed up by what happened than me. (He also briefly abused me younger sister as well, which mercifully did not last for a very long time). I do not see this man as a typical paedophile - more as an extremely tortured human being. I think he would have done what he did with anyone of any age - it wasn't about attraction for him I don't think - just power and gratification.

Ironically, the day after his apology (the most monumental apology I have ever received), I was raped by another man. I have spent years trying to understand the timing of this event. It seems impossible to me that it could be mere coincidence. It's linked, although I'm not sure how or why yet.

I forgave my abuser for what he did and it has helped me to achieve enormous closure. I realise however, that this is and extremely unusual set of circumstances and that a lot of people would possibly think badly of me for forgiving him. The police were involved at the very beginning but it tore my family apart and sadly, things have never recovered there.

As a youngster I became very promiscuous after the abuse. I have heard that this is fairly normal reactionary behaviour for abuse victims (man, I hate that word)! I understand why now. And I occasionally ache for that young girl and the desperate, almost innocent pain I was in. But I'm a tough cookie me - it all got me some backbone.

Over the years, I have developed various strategies to cope with what happened. I mainly feel wiser and like I know things about that side of life that I can't talk to anyone about because so few understand it. It's given me drive if anything - I volunteer at a hospital and next month I'm due to start work at a child abuse charity, so hopefully my experiences have led me to give something back. If I can honestly help other kids going through the same thing then I'm damn well glad it all happened to me.

Again, thank you for your support - it's very kind.

Lady Neptune - YES! I do think the Yod is involved in this somehow. I also think Mars (sometimes related to all things sexual - especially mine being in Scorpio) has a big part to play here too. Thank you for your insights - I think you're bang on!

I've just remembered Saturn square moon as well.

BLKFox - you're a braver soul than I am. It's hard to talk about, but I think it's probably healthy in small doses. I still occasionally battle with bouts of shame - not that I should! All the best to you.

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