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posted August 06, 2008 10:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found two articles on Vesta in synastry.

The author states that Vesta-aspects are an important ingredient for strong, intimate, committed and passionate relationships.

He sais to look for aspects between the following points foremost:

Sun - Sun
Sun - Moon
Sun - Vertex
Moon - Moon
Moon - ASC / DSC
Moon - NOdes
Moon - Vesta
Moon - VErtex
MC - NOdes
MC - Vesta
MC - Vertex
NOdes - NOdes
NOdes - Vesta
NOdes - Vertex
Vesta - VEsta
Vesta - Vertex
Vertex - Vertex
Vesta - Sun-Moon-mp

He only uses the 4th harmonic aspects with these (conjunction, opposition, square) and later on his blog also includes the 8th harmonic aspects (semisquare, sesisquare).

He explains the reason for the choice of the socalled hard aspects:

"When two people have chemistry they react to each other very quickly. In astrology these notions are very well consumed by the nature of hard aspects. Squares and oppositions, for example, create events, they are like the spark plugs in your car that get the motor running, they tell us to rise to the challenge, they move us forward and put us into action, often with little choice or free-will. So the nature of hard aspects not only create chemistry between two people but they also create events in all areas of life. The 90 degree angle is fundamental in the construction industry as well as its half, the 45. When we have a foundation that is square we can build upon it very easily. Metaphorically, 90 degrees and its multiples are the building blocks of life."
(BTW that is also an excellent explanation for the use of the hard aspects for midpoint-astrology).

He advises to keep the orb tight (no more than 4°) and that you should notice an average orb of about 2°.
Then you should be getting 3 to 5 aspects at least. Otherwise you probably don`t have that strong synastry.

I applied that to the synastry I am working on and look what we`ve got:

his Sun conjuncts my Sun
his Moon conjuncts my Sun
his ASC square my Sun
his MC conjunct my Sun
his Sun widely conjunct my VEsta (4,5°)
his Vertex square my Sun
his Moon conjunt my Vesta
his MC conjunct my Vesta
his MC conjunct my Vesta
his Vertex square my Vesta
my Vesta widely conjuncts his Sun-Moon-mp

(and we also have some "soft" aspects:
his ACC trine my Vertex
his NN trine my Vesta
his Vesta trine my Vesta)

11 aspects.

Oh and he mentioned some other aspects on his blog; here we have:

(his Vesta trine my Venus)

my Vesta widely square his Saturn (4,5)
Marriage or something officialized like that—comfort and stability within the relationship.

his Vesta opposite my Uranus
Sparks fly. Strong sexual energy as well flirtatiousness. Experimentation. Break up or make up.

Sounds really nice.

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posted August 06, 2008 02:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think only using hard aspects is silly. Many marriages I have checked have vesta trine sun or moon. Occasionally the sextile as well. Even vesta novile or quintile venus is not uncommon but the trine is by far more common than the square or semisquare. The opposition is probably more common than the trine though in my experience. With all the asteroids, especially juno, the opposition seems to be the most common aspect in synastry so there is some merit to the idea that hard aspects are triggering but it does not exclude the power of so called soft aspects like the trine which have been summarily dismissed by certain segments of the astro community despite thousands of years of confirmation of it as a major aspect. Which it is.

Hard aspects are not all the same. They each have a different feel. I think there is less potential for a harmonious balance with the square than the opposition which is why the opposition is a more common synastric aspect when the minor planets or the sun and moon are involved. I often see between couples sun opp moon or sun conjunct moon far more often than sun square moon - which is very rare in my experience.

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posted August 06, 2008 02:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with the author that hard aspects tend to create a lot of energy, "buzz" and attention and "make something happen"; BUT like you I also think the soft aspects should be included here. Especially the trine is a really beautiful harmonious flowing aspect (maybe because the same element is there, like in the conjunction?)

I`m not so sure about the square; I think it can be a really difficult aspect, but it depends on the planets involved. Squares to Jupiter are a completely different matter than squares to Pluto or Uranus for example.
Squares connect signs with each other that are way different in the elements, but share the same modality. They are challenging, that`s for sure.

In a synastry I think a square CAN be a reason for a strong attraction, but this would be a fluctuating thing, because the attraction is founded on the differences of two persons, maybe also leading to arguments. Just picture a Cancer and an Aries trying to come to an agreement about where and how to make holidays!
There can be a lot of creativity at the end of a development, but to get there is really hard work.

So, I definitely wouldn`t be enthusiastic if I see too many squares in a synastry. BUT I would rather see many squares than no connections or ONLY trines, sextiles and even conjunctions. I would want a little more "fire" in my relationships. (But I have Venus square Pluto natally, and fire is my main element).

However having said that, I would like to see some squares along with several conjunctions, oppositions and trines and even sextiles. A good mix of all.
(Even though I think sextiles are more "friendship-aspects" than love-aspects; just remember the sextile - signs are comparable to the 3rd and 11th houses).

So, I actually like conjunctions and trines most, followed by oppositions (if the right planets are involved, I like oppositions more than trines).

And I liked the fact that in this synastry there is that lovely Vesta-Venus-trine again.
I noticed that in the synastry with men that have been important to me, there is usually a Venus-Vesta-aspect. But I guess I am not on my own with the Venus-Vesta aspects.

I looked at some celebrity synastries, and yes Vesta had some of the mentioned aspects, and even though there were some squares, there were also a lot of sextiles and trines.

I thought these were interesting:

Brad - Angelina:
her Vesta square his Sun
her Vesta sextile his Moon
her Vesta sextile his Venus

Antonio - Melanie:
her Vesta trine his Sun
his Vesta trine her Mars

Johnny Depp - VAnessa Paradis
his Vesta sextile her MMoon
his VEsta sextile her Mars
her Vesta square his Mars

JOhnny Cash - June Carter
his Vesta sextile her MOon
his Vesta sextile her Venus

Paul Mc CArtney - LInda Eastman
his Vesta square her Venus
her Vesta sextile his Moon

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
her Vesta opposite his Sun
(His Vesta closely parallel her Sun and Venus)

Richard Burton - Liz Taylor
his Vesta trine her Sun
his Vesta trine her Mars
her Vesta trine his Sun

It`s interesting that in most cases there seems to be an aspect with either one of the lights or with Venus or Mars.
And mostly those are soft aspects.

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posted August 06, 2008 04:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good case examples.

Venus vesta is a classic aspect. Very warm and nice friendship-love.

Btw, vesta aspects usually go both ways for couples and are only legit in my experience if they form aspects to inner planets. Not outer planets or personal points.

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posted August 06, 2008 05:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why would you exclude personal points?

Oh and btw I`m not so sure Vesta signifies "just" friendship; to me it seems there is a strong emphasis on equality and independence here, but that doesn`t exclude the possibility of love or sexual relations.

At least that`s what I think when I think of her mythology. The Vesta virgins were only virgins in the sense that they were unmarried and used sexual relation (among other services) for spiritual (tantric) reasons rather than to procreate.
They were not committed in the sense that they became mothers and wives.

They were very much like the ideal single woman today I think. lol

So, yes, I DO think that Vesta signifies friendship or rather PARTNERSHIP, but not in a platonic sense.

But honestly why don`t you like the personal points?


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posted August 06, 2008 05:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how about
vesta is sextile vesta?

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posted August 06, 2008 05:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and btw I think the strongest connections will be between Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, ASC, MC, ruler of ASC, ruler of DC, ruler of 5th house and ruler of IC.

Those are far more important than ANY planet to Neptune, Uranus or Pluto.
The aspects to outer planets become important, once there actually EXIST aspects between inner planets and points (I do like my personal points, especially if there are synastric conjunctions).

I just wonder if someone`s Pluto in someone else`s 7th house may get some more significance, if that Pluto is in close aspect to personal planets.

Vesta Sister,

I think a Vesta sextile Vesta is rather nice and beneficial. Not the strongest of all aspects, but still nice and harmonious.
But I think that a Vesta aspect to an inner planet may be stronger than to an asteroid.
But maybe that Vesta-Vesta-sextile is linked to other personal planets?

In the mentioned synastry his Vesta is trine his NN and both are trine my Vesta and Venus, and my Uranus is opposite his Vesta; I think that the fact t hat there are multiple planets involved with a fairly tight orb may strengthen the aspect.


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posted August 06, 2008 05:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok here is mine with the guy i'm meeting for dinner in 48 hours!!!! lol

his sun conjunct my moon (2)
his sun conjunct my AC (1)
his sun conjunct my NN (1)
my sun conjunct his vertex (1) oh-la-la!
his moon conjunct my moon (0)
his moon conjunct my AC (3)
my moon opposes his AC (4)
my moon square his MC (0)
his moon conjunct my NN (0)
my moon trine his vesta (0)
his AC opposes my AC (0) IF his birthtime is right!
my NN square his MC (1)
his NN square my MC (0)
his vertex trine my MC (1)
my NN trine his vesta (0)
his NN conjunct my vertex (0) woohoo!
his vertex quincunx my vertex (0)
funnily enough his vesta is trine his sun/moon MP exact and my vesta is sextile my sun/moon MP exact but no synastry

Looks pretty sexy no, DD? !!!!

My venus trine his vesta (1)
my saturn trine his vesta (1)
my vesta contra parallel his sun
my vertex parallel his NN
his vertex parallel my sun

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posted August 06, 2008 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
geez, he talks about the Aries point and in composite we have mercury conjunct (0) AP and pluto opposing AP (1)

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posted August 07, 2008 01:50 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I don`t know about sexy, but his Sun-Moon-conjunction falling on your Moon-AC-NN-conjunction looks pretty strong, deep and soulful.

To see if it`s sexy, look at Venus, Mars, Pluto, Uranus, AC and planets in 5th (or 8th houses) and to the ruler of 5th house. (it wouldn`t hurt to look at asteroid Eros, too )

BTW the AP is actually all the cardinal 0° (00° Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn), so I guess Pluto is conjunct AP in Libra. Intense stuff.

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posted August 07, 2008 04:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah it looks pretty insane!

So I'm wondering where the intense attraction comes from then!

My Venus in his 7th and his in my 1st.
My mars in his 8th and his in my 5th!
my Venus sesisquare his mars
His Venus conjunct my mars
(to be updated...someone at my door!)

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posted August 07, 2008 05:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I thought you have never seen him before?
How do you know you are attracted to him then?

But I agree, these aspects are really insane. Wow, hot, hot, steaming hot.

You have conjunctions of Sun-Moon, Moon-Moon,Sun-AC, Moon-DC, AC-DC AND Venus-Mars?
And the Venus in 1st house and Mars in 8th and 5th are pretty insane, too.

BTW what orb does the Venus_Mars-conjunct have?

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my girlfriend and i have vesta square vesta, exact.

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posted August 07, 2008 06:40 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have met him as in been in the same room as him, we just never got introduced LOL

We kept staring at each other but we never met!!! BUT we have been chatting for 10 days on phone (1 hour calls) and texting a lot. It's very intense and HOT!

Venus/mars is wide - 7deg
mars biquintile pluto (0)
uranus sextile mars (3)
mars opposes uranus (5)

my 5th ruler leo. my sun conjunct his venus (0)
his 5th ruler aquarius. his uranus conjunct my psyche (2, trine my cupid (3), trine my armor (3), sextile my pluto (5), opposes my mars (5)

my 8th ruler scorpio/pluto quincunx his sun/moon (2/1), sesisquare his venus (0), square his neptune (2), square his vesta (1), square his osiris (0), trine his aphrodite (1), square his armor (3), biquintile his eros (0), sextile his psyche (1), sextile his MC (2)
his 8th ruler taurus/venus conjunct my sun (0), mercury (1), sesisquare my pluto (0) ALSO MY 8TH H RULER!, quincunx my vertex (0), opposes my juno (0), trine my MC (0)

His eros
conjunct my venus (4)
trine my jupiter (0)
quincunx my uranus/neptune (0)
biquintile my pluto (0)
semi sextile my vesta (1)
square my valentine (3)

my eros
square his jupiter (4)
conjunct his NN (1)
trine his juno (3)
semi square his psyche (2)

"You have conjunctions of Sun-Moon, Moon-Moon,Sun-AC, Moon-DC, AC-DC AND Venus-Mars? "

and the rest!!! We also have sun/venus conjunct DW, DW sun/saturn conjunct/trine, NN-sun/moon conjuncts, osiris-sun/moon conjuncts, mercury-venus DW conjuncts, mercury-AC conjunct. pluto-DC conjunct, sun-vertex conjunct.

So someone who complained that l never had the major conjuncts in synastry before, the universe must have been listening tenfold lol

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posted August 07, 2008 07:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, that all looks very intense, Lara. How are you coping with the heat?

I still think the conjunction of Venus and Mars is a bit wide, but probably you can feel t he sparks even, if they are only in the same sign.
But apart from that I would pay more attention to that beautiful exact conjunction of your 5th house ruler and his Venus.
Which house does it rule in his chart? DSC, ASC, 5th or 8th would be terrific I think.

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posted August 07, 2008 08:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His venus is in his 7th H conjunct my sun in my 1st.
his sun/moon are also in 7th H ruled by mars and his mars is (using equal!) in my 4th H.

This is of course depending on whether his AC is correct!
Yes, the sun/venus exact is pretty sweet, although it's messed up by my saturn conjunct his sun exact too!

The heat is ok today as haven't spoken to him for 2 days but when he contacts me it's pretty crazy... i'm trying to keep a lid on it and just chill out because l am still balancing myself after Mike, so don't want anything too heavy LOL

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posted August 07, 2008 09:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn-Sun is a pretty lasting bond, almost unbreakeable (of course only if you let it happen.)

But I think you are right, you really should just enjoy the moment and just go with the flow. But hopefully you will enjoy yourselves.

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posted August 07, 2008 09:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
geez... l do pick them!

you know i'm meeting him on 8/8/08 at 8pm don't you? lol
8 is supposed to be a very auspicious number!
God help me

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posted August 07, 2008 10:00 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welll, for once it is the number of infinity.

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posted August 07, 2008 10:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg now I'm spooked lol
Maybe he will cancel cause we haven't spoken for 2 days!

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posted August 07, 2008 11:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darkdreamer, hi there, can I put together two things you've said on this thread and ask you a question?

I definitely wouldn't be enthusiastic if I see too many squares in a synastry. BUT I would rather see many squares than no connections or ONLY trines, sextiles and even conjunctions.


I think the strongest connections will be between Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, ASC, MC, ruler of ASC, ruler of DC, ruler of 5th house and ruler of IC.

What would you think of a Sun square/opposition/contraparallel Saturn in synastry, if Saturn was ASC ruler of the Saturn-giver in the aspect? Would that be better than no aspect at all?

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posted August 07, 2008 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would see it on two levels:

On the Saturn-Sun level it would be rather difficult, but nevertheless the Saturn-Sun-aspect doesn`t appear so often in relationships for nothing. Actually I`ve seen far more challenging aspects of Saturn to Sun or Moon than the smooth ones, and even though difficult, they seem to be REALLY binding.

On the other level it is also an aspect from Sun to ASC-ruler and that is a real strong connection. It shows some underlying bond and compatibility.
Personally I think the aspects of the rulers to angles or Sun, Moon and ASC may be the strongest in synastry, at least equally strong to a Sun-Moon-AC-aspect.

If the Sun rules the 7th house in the other chart, it can even be an aspect of magnetic attraction, because of the connection of a Venus house with a Mars-house. And you wouldn`t have expected that with Sun-Saturn-aspects, would you?

Oh btw no aspect means there is no connection. You wouldn`t want that with your lover.
(I know that there can`t be EVERYTHING in aspect, but the more aspects there are the more you can relate to each other, notice each other, and you can easily see what will be the centre of your relationship. If there is only one aspect between personal planets and it`s Venus conjunct Mars, you will now what it is all about. Even seriously - I think even the Venus-Mars-conjunction couldn`t bridge the empty space between you. If there are just NO aspects to Sun, Moon or AC, you just don`t get each other, you don`t touch each other deeply.

BTW by aspects I am talking of conjunction, opposition, square, trine, sextile and antiscia / contrascia; the quinkunx and semisextile often act like there is no aspect at all. Quinkunxes and semisextiles also hardly "get" each other, but unlike with an aspect they are probably aware of it.)

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posted August 07, 2008 01:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks darkdreamer. Fascinating.

I've just looked up antiscia/contrascia because I don't know about them.

In the case I asked you about, if Saturn (ASC ruler) opposed the antiscia of someone's Sun and Mars - is that an aspect? Is that how it works?

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posted August 07, 2008 02:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it is.
But remember to keep the orbs very tight with antiscia (2°).

The antiscia are mirrordegrees, shadows or reflection.
A planet on 7° Sagittarius casts a shadow onto 23° Capricorn and 23° Cancer and is thus reflected by those degrees, or rather planets that are on these degrees.
It works like a complimentary connection.

You know Sagittarius likes to walk or hurry through life with his heads in the clouds, joking here and there and taking life the easy way (not ALL Sag`s are like this, of course); he`s the traveller, the gambler, who doesn`T take things to serious. He sais: why worry about tomorrow? Live today instead.

But underneath this sunny exterior, there is a shadow, and that shadow is reflected through his Antiscion and Contrascion.
Does Capricorn shows him how to make more out of his dreams, to transform dreams into goals? Does he show Mr Lucky how to get the work done?
Or does Cancer show him how important it is to have a home he can return to? What sense is in travelling when you have nowhere to return to?
Does he maybe show Mr Take-it-easy, that there are people he has responsibility for, people who care for him and who needs to be cared for?

In this way those mirrordegrees reflect our Mr Sag; the result is a mysterious pull towards the other planet`s person. An attraction that sais: "You`Re so different from me. I don`t really understand you. But something just resonates strongly within me and I just HAVE to get close to you."

It`s not like the opposition. You know with the opposition I see two magnets that are magnetized to each other, and there is a great spark and tension between them.
With the antiscion / contrascion it`s like we are all kinda jigsawpieces with irregular ends, and Miss Cancer, just fits to Mr Sag`s puzzle.

The opposition to me seems to be a horizontal connection, a straight line, a magnetism, horizontal.
The antiscion / contrascion is a connection from surface to underneath, it`s kinda vertical.

Am I still making sense to you?

Some astrologers even believe that the antiscion-degrees are the real important missing piece to find your Twinsoul. (I personally think there could be truth in it, but there are so many perspectives you can look from).

But what I know is that these connections are really strong and hypnotic, more hypnotic than magnetic probably.

Just think of it:

Aries - Libra: Virgo and Pisces
Taurus - Scorpio: Leo and Aquarius
Gemini - Sagittarius: Cancer and Capricorn

Unlike with the opposition, here is always a connection between a female and a male sign. All elements are included in such a sequence. IT just lookes so WHOLE. COMPLETE.

I never noticed that before.

Mmh, maybe I should look for someone with Sun in Capricorn, Moon in Scorpio, Venus in Sagittarius, Mars in Capricorn and ASC in Capricorn (or the oposite signs) to complete my natal chart.

The funny thing is that I actually feel very much drawn to these placements; these or the conjunction- placements.


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posted August 07, 2008 02:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just noticed that with this person I have lots of conjunctions with, I will now also have lots of antiscia oppositions too. Would that be right?

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