posted August 26, 2008 03:32 PM            

I don't entirely agree that our Sun isn't how we project ourselves to others. After all, with most people, when you think about what sign they seem the most like, you'd probably more often think of their Sun sign than their AC. I guess it's a matter of timing, of when your Sun enters the social relationship.

I do think the AC-DC is our relationship axis, so like you said in that way it is our social identity b/c it's how we relate to the world. But I agree with you that it's not all of who we are. I think it's the style influencing the way the Sun acts, perceives, and is seen. So I wouldn't discount my Sun-Neptune conjunction. Oh, but thinking about your comment just gave me an idea--maybe it's my Scorpio AC that makes others feel like I'm connecting with them right down to their ethnicity/sexual-orientation/etc. It's my Scorpio AC that makes others feel my Sun-Neptune conjunction interacting with them in a deep way like that! Thanks, this is finally making some sense to me.

This is something that's happened so often since I was about 13 that I usually don't even think about it. It's normal and a part of life to me, but the company I'm with during these experiences really gets a kick out of people thinking I'm whatever they are. And I think my Scorpio AC coupled with my Sun-Neptune conjunction explains that. And I think when people mistake me for something I'm not but not something they themselves are, that can be explained by Mercury in the first, chart ruler in the 12th, along with having Sun conj Neptune. Maybe my 10th house Moon also plays a role in this?

posted August 27, 2008 09:49 AM            

in ur first post you were talking about your "look", your "shape" - and that is not the Sun.

Mercury in the 1st often looks younger. And - I'm sorry, I didn't get your Sun sign - BUT it's only natural for you to feel like others don't really see you for who you "really" are when your projection to the world (=the Asc) makes such a powerful impression as the Scorpio often does - and your real nature (=the Sun) is different.

the distinction between the Sun and the Asc, who one "really" is and how one is “only perceived” is a false problem, almost impossible to define correctly.

can others and interacting with others alter who/how one is? are you the same when by yourself in your own bathroom and when interacting with others? are you the same when interacting with someone you like and when with someone you don't? with someone nice vs someone nasty? ETC.

yet I bet that each of them will have a somewhat DIFFERENT impression of you. would that be because you'd be different each time or because their perceptions of you are filtered by their own personalities, education, etc..?

posted August 27, 2008 01:52 PM            

Another example, I have been able to guess several people who were sun conj Pluto strictly by their eyes. So... that would support Jane's theory that Neptune conj Sun would effect appearance. They are both outer planets making aspect to the sun, not the AC.

posted August 27, 2008 05:09 PM            

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see? this can go on, and on, for hours -with little progress achieved.

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Feel free to jump off the ride at any time, but you're talking to someone who majored in philosophy here. So contemplating for hours with little progress is what I consider good times. Nevermind hours, I could do it for yeeeaaars.

What I'm talking about isn't a situation where I find it difficult to express my real self to others. It's not a matter of the Asc distorting the Sun. But your post has given me another breakthrough--this is a case of people clearly seeing how I feel.

I'll explain. I don't feel limited to my ego. The way I experience my "self" and all others is as a spiritual energy that's then personalized and filtered through the particulars of individuality: dna, astrology chart, environment, memory, and so on. All those things that make me "me" and you "you." But I'm always aware of being something more underneath all that. I know that with different filters, my transcendent "me" could manifest in a variety of forms in life. So because I don't feel limited to my ego but also identify with an impersonal spiritual center, others may be able to pick up on that and see me w/o my particular filters.

That's how my Sun-Neptune works. And then my Scorpio AC perhaps focuses and intensifies that spiritual side of myself, and others pick up on it.

I think Chiron opposing my AC may also be at play here. In a lot of the cases, I got the sense that the person wanted to feel connected with someone. And for now I'm seeing that as a Chiron influence.

Anyway, counterpoint me anytime, cristiname! You seem to raise just the thought I need to futher my analysis. This may all mean nothing to you , but it's so interesting to me to find an astro explanation for this.

(((8th))) -
Yes, I agree that the sun and moon affect appearance. Not just in terms of physical characteristics, but also the mood and vibe of a person. I don't see the different parts of our charts as entirely pure and separate. The AC is the outer shell, but everything else shines through it.

posted August 29, 2008 05:05 PM            

I'm used to ppl who want to reduce a person to one planet or one aspect, and that's why I shun discussing such things on forums - over simplification is ridiculous.

anyways - yours is a far more complex question; and the answer may not matter that much afterall but searching for it. got it.

posted June 25, 2011 05:45 PM            

I also have Sun Conjunct Neptune and identify with a lot of your comments, especially the shape shifting experiences. My Asc Aries, Mars Leo, and Sun Sagittarius make a nice juicy fire triangle, but my Sun is located in the 8th house, conjunct Neptune, and ruled by a Cancerian Jupiter. All of that “self-ish” fire expresses its self in watery ways. I experience my conjunction as almost a “physical dissociation/spiritual equanimity”. Everything feels like energy to me; even the physical is just sensory data describing energetic interplay, in my rationality.

My shape shifting manifests when I find myself becoming a mirror for anyone I meet, it's much less a mirror and more like a puzzle piece. Within 5 min of meeting a random stranger, they have told me their life story and begin exposing their deepest secrets. What's odd to me, is the fact that I don't change myself. It isn't an Air Sign thing, where I may wear different costumes to each person's party. Its a matter of instinctive harmonization with other people's “noise”. It's as if my energy seeks to automatically dissolve the rough edges in my interactions with other perspectives and find a smooth/harmonious equanimity. In fact, when more people are around, I find myself like a neutral space where people feel comfortable dropping their egos, converging. and discovering harmony amongst everyone in the group. In a way I feel like an air freshener Haha. I much prefer one on one interaction with others, because it's much easier for me to process personal transformation. I love other people, partially because I don't feel a separateness. I view others kinda like watching TV with my face too close to the screen, The people on TV all appear separate and each have very important lessons to teach, but if you look closely, we're all just a bunch of rainbow pixels.

In regards to your comment about identifying your self, I also see things that way. When you point to me and say “You are Tim”, It feels the same as pointing to the night sky and saying, “You are space”. Sure it's space, but could you please point to the exact spot where space resides? I have no confusion about who I am, I merely feel my body and ego are parts of a system. If “unsure of who they are” means “does not identify “self” as a definite and ultimately quantifiable construct”, then maybe, but having a mutable “Am” is not the same as having a misplaced “Am”.

I completely identify with the “needing alone time” thing. Believe me, with a 5th House Leonian Mars in exact trine to my Sun, my alone time is definitely not due to low energy. I find it is more a matter of having time to shut out the noise of everyone else vibrating around me, its a time for just sitting and listening to my own song. Having this conjunction, I can get very overwhelmed with the “noise” of other people's thoughts and feelings. If I'm not careful, I can often lose my self in other people's currents. Having alone time helps me reset and allows me to regroup around my Sun again.

posted June 26, 2011 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls:
I don't know, but the one thing I've noticed is that Capricorns that were born in 1987/88 don't seem like Caps at all (Neptune was in Capricorn at this time). They're really loopy/have a Piscean feel to them.

I'm thinking of two people I know, in particular. One has Neptune loosely conjunct their Sun (10 degrees) and they are one of the most unrealistic people I've ever met. And VERY forgetful. Like I have to follow them around making sure they don't leave things in random places. The other is a Cap sun, Cap ascendant with Neptune closely conjunct their ASC (2 degrees). They are just really goofy and child-like (often says "I WANNA BE A KID FOREVER!"), and have absolutely no ambition.

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posted January 22, 2012 05:17 AM              

sun square Neptune http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=322226#post322226 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39262&highlight=square+neptune http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37149&highlight=square+neptune http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10371&highlight=square+neptune http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34472&highlight=square+neptune http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32673&highlight=square+neptune

now although it's a square, it's STILL a hard aspect and will apply

posted January 22, 2012 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by jane:

but people do constantly ask me if I'm an ethnicity or nationality that I'm not, everything from Israeli to English (from England, not just English heritage) to "part Asian." Many, many different ethnicities & nationalities that vary in appearance. I've also been asked if I'm gay or bisexual a lot.

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Personally, I get this a lot. People are always confusing my nationality and ethnicity, and I too get asked if I'm b-sexual or gay, etc. However my Sun isn't conjunct Neptune, but is Sextile Neptune.

posted January 25, 2012 01:47 PM              

The antidote for hard aspects like this is music, it feeds the soul. My old astrology teacher swore by it.It was just something I took for granted, did instictively...