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posted August 28, 2008 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

Please add what you have come across about Lilith. I hope it is not as gloom and doom as what I found. Please also share whether these interpretations are true for you.

I have dear ol' Lilith in the 3rd House in Capricorn.
CONJUNCT SN
TRINE Venus and PoF
SEXTILE Jupiter
OPPOSED NN
SQUARE Vertex

I found this:

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Lilith In The Houses

LILITH IN THE 1st HOUSE lets you always fight impulsively and initiatively for liberalism and fairness. You have ingenuity and foam over with energy in relations, partnerships and public-referred interests. With sexual adventures you can get enticed easily and if someone offers a leading role to you, you take it without thinking. In this position there is a tendency to come into problematic situations repeatedly, and also to understand the life life-worthy only as a kind of nonstop action.

LILITH IN THE 2nd HOUSE directs efforts on hedonistic activities and the acquisition of property. Quickly you succumb to material temptations, and you accumulate properties. You probably don't recognize the problems coming along with that, or you don't want to admit them at all, you don't react, but look for harmony and have a sense of art. Perhaps you regret it soon, if you commit yourself in a partnership, especially if you went into financial dependence.

LILITH IN THE 3rd HOUSE can cause misunderstandings and misjudgings while looking on yourself or on other persons. Perhaps it is not clear to you, how much independence you need, or you even don't want to admit that at all. Therefore you terminate relationships when they become seriously, or you go into a relationship, but get very unhappy with it. You don't want to commit yourself and you also need mental liberty. You feel safe with informal contacts, to which you are looking intensively for, and you can get tempted to meetings without problems.

LILITH IN THE 4th HOUSE looks for fulfilment in family, home and homeland. Probably you suffer from the missing autonomy, anyhow you don't get lucky. You gladly invite to meals and meet the whole family to communicative happenings. You strive for harmony and diplomacy, but are inclined to misjudge your fellow beings. Possibly there is discord between understanding and feeling.

LILITH IN THE 5th HOUSE spreads charisma, but possibly lets you misjudge your children. It can lead to fatal misunderstandings, if you don't use your intuition and wisdom with children. Maybe it comes to manipulations on one side or even mutually. You are maybe a phoney and like to set yourself on stage. Gladly you surround yourself with luxury and look for harmony, need a lot of freedom. You easily succumb to the temptation to take part in speculations.

LILITH IN THE 6th HOUSE often lets you succumb to rational temptations of perfection, correctness and hygiene. On the other hand also an irrational, intuitive attraction shows up. A fight between understanding and feeling could occur here. Perhaps you internally hate all the perfection and such things. You may misjudge the reality frequently, and you take the liberty to place criticism without the necessary objectivity at the same time. Your psychological understanding is very noticeably and perhaps you find your healing in helping other people, in healing and in sympathy for others. In partnerships and relations it could come to a conflict between your thirst for autonomy and an urge to commit yourself to the other. If your public life gets too stressful you may tend to retreat from it for a while.

LILITH IN THE 7th HOUSE causes a fight between a commitment urge and a strive for independence. Perhaps you are able to analyze your own psychological situation in every detail, but you succumb to the temptation to change nothing, showing the same behaviors again and again, of which you know exactly that you harm yourself. Gladly you manipulate your fellow beings with best intentions and flirts are your speciality. Also, you love the music and show your mediating, always fair and harmony-referring nature.

LILITH IN THE 8th HOUSE brings you in contact with power. Perhaps you don't notice it at all, or you don't want to admit that people use their power. There is also the possibility that you misjudge your own power by suppressing others. Possibly you expose yourself consciously to dangers or get enticed to dangerous and or sexual activities. This position usually brings contacts with deaths and losses in early years. By your internal wisdom you understood with the years that death is a part of the life.

LILITH IN THE 9th HOUSE makes optimistically, generous and gives interest in philosophy and religion. You strive very intensively for education and overload yourself with knowledge. There is the possibility, that others misjudge you or take advantage of you, or you negate your abilities or don't want to admit them. You need a lot of independence and are characterized by honesty, fairness and love for justice. You gladly are missionary and make use of your psychological understanding. Possibly others misunderstand you, and there exists a danger of getting enticed by very high and honourable, but not daily ideals making you appearing as unworldly and queer to your fellow beings. You would never say no to an education journey and immediately get into the airplane, also, the temptation of an emigration is very big here, whereby the danger of idealizing the destination of the emigration exists, and you may later realize to have been a victim of an illusion. If you meet your probably permanent desires to travel far away by just doing it, you may come in contact to many interesting people, and thus you will be able to extend your horizon.

LILITH IN THE 10th HOUSE lets you gladly manipulate other perople. You strive for fame, power and status, but may not recognize the side effects of these things or you recognize them, but suppress or don't admit them at the same time. The result can be problems, restrictions and in the long run bitterness and discords, which you consider as an interference factor in your life surely. Either you don't accept that another one has power over you, or you are not consciously about others that use their power to your disadvantage at all. And thus you surely are in conflict with leading persons permanently, if you are aware of this, because you need very much freedom, and therefore you also could avoid partnerships or allow them to be on a friendship level only. Probably your demands are much too high, and you overload yourself with responsibilities within the areas of partnership and public relations. This position tempts to taboo breakings, to a questioning of conventions and undemocratic social structures.

LILITH IN THE 11th HOUSE brings strong autonomy efforts. You are very tolerant and open to unusualnesses, surely have strange, but very creative artistic attitudes and prefer open partnerships, that others would rather consider as friendships only. You look for adventurous friendships, but could tend to misjudge the kind of your friends natures, or you don't want to admit them. Intuition and wisdom are nevertheless very strong, as well as your inventor talent. You like to present your eccentric nature.

LILITH IN THE 12th HOUSE seems to create an urge for illusions, fantasies and intoxication conditions. You are probably susceptibly to drugs and easily impressable. On the other hand, this position gives a very strong creative and inspirative capability. You vary between social contacts and retreats to isolation, are engaged excessively in the social area and help sympatheticly wherever it is necessary, whereby you also might neglect yourself. Perhaps a tendency exists, to walk through the life without a self, because you negate, don't recognize or want to admit your own needs.



www.nmazca.com/coeli/lilith.htm

LILITH IN ARIES often causes an extreme strive for autonomy, leading to problems in partnerships, because you are very interested in partnerships. Perhaps you are changing restlessly possible life partners without committing yourself, because there is always anything wrong with them. With flirts you are courageously, quickly and also successfully, possibly tending to one nite stands. Partnerships and sexual matters can be of uncertainty. You are fair, fighting for justice and peace.
LILITH IN TAURUS gives extraordinary love for the beauty and big emotional activity. You look for your security needs in a relationship, contacting others by flirting. With gifts and properties others can attract you, and probably you achive material security in a partnership. But you maybe get disturbed by the material dependence then, and your emotional harmony turns out of the balance.

LILITH IN GEMINI usually causes a strive for independence, particularly in intellectual areas. Perhaps you dedicate yourself to the beautiful literary arts or work in the public relations area. You have a diplomatic and psychological feeling and can entertain your fellow beings very well. Probably you tend to superficialnesses and your objectivity is limited sometimes, because you can get enticed and bounded by ideas easily. You possibly like to change your fellow beings, especially partners, if possible without their and even sometimes your own knowledge. In this position emotions can be suppressed unnoticed or converted to rationalities.

LILITH IN CANCER urges you to create domestic and family peace. You like to meet many people in your home in order to have expanded meals with them, whereby you take part in discussions very emotionally and with psychological knowledge. In family matters you are inclined not to recognize things or situations correctly, or you don't want to admit situations and circumstances because you get enticed by unrealistic opinions very easily.

LILITH IN LEO produces strong entertainment urges. Without any problems people can attract you to go to parties, where you then set yourself on stage. You also want to participate in bets and speculations, though your intuition tells you rather to leave your hands of it. You create harmony and peace, know how to flirt and to manipulate people to general well-being. You are probably well-known due to your charming character.

LILITH IN VIRGO blurrs the objectivity and lets you express criticism at wrong places perhaps. You simply don't want to commit yourself, are very orientationless regarding occupation and partnership. Other people may get confused by you, because this confusive position produces paradoxes in almost all areas of life. You perhaps tend hopelessly between commitment and autonomy urge, between social contacts and retreat. On the other hand, psychological and analytic abilities are almost unsurpassably strong, and your intuition beats everything. Unfortunately the possibility exists that you are not conscious about your abilities, or that you don't want to admit them.

LILITH IN LIBRA makes fair, diplomatically and harmony-striving. You like to flirt and manipulate your fellow beings with well-meaning intention. You permanently go into and break or let brake partnerships, because you vary between commitment and thirst for autonomy. The cause could be that you don't want to admit your wrong conceptions about fellow beings, or you don't want to see their real characters. Surely also belongs to it, that you may consider yourself completely different, contrary to the others, or that you are simply misjudged. You are of wisdom and intuition, as well as psychological ability and music love, but you may not have knowledge about it all. You wish to receive emotional loyalty from your life partner, and you want to be accepted emotionally. Probably you have very high requirements in partnerships and wish well working interpersonal relations to yourself.

LILITH IN SCORPIO may let you be enticed by sexual attractions easily, whereby you subordinate yourself to a more powerful partner or in reverse, or it comes to a mutually making the most of power. In this position the danger exists that you don't recognize these powers at all, the own or those of the others. You have to deal with setbacks, accidents and symbolic as well as real deaths, although there are usually opportunities to avoid it before any danger appears. You are maybe addicted to dangers because you want to exceed borders. Possibly you had to make experiences with death in the childhood, but can see the death as an inevitable part of the life due to your large psychological regeneration ability now.

LILITH IN SAGITTARIUS surely confronts you with the temptations of education journeys. If there is something to learn somewhere, you are quickly at place and you won't leave out a single opportunity to travel. Your contact to fellow beings is, due to your knowledge and psychological understanding, rather missionary and manipulative, but always with well-meaning intention. You are popular in a certain way because you try to apply diplomacy and fairness. At all your optimism and all the generosity you spread out, it could come to the situation that other people take advantage of you, or that you misjudge fellow beings.

LILITH IN CAPRICORN lets you hardly resist to the temptations of fame, status and power. You could bring yourself into large difficulties, because you misjudge the actual naturenesses of these characteristics, or you don't want to admit them at all. Problems in partnerships are usually resulting therefore in this position. You could tend to change your fellow beings and, in addition, to suppress their inner values completely. You look for autonomy, but perhaps won't necessarily also grant it to others.

LILITH IN AQUARIUS lets you misjudge your friends easily. Probably you have completely wrong conceptions of them or of what your friends think about you. You strive for autonomy with manipulative methods and psychological tricks, reject all too tight interpersonal relations and consider partnerships and relations rather as friendships. You surely hardly tend to commit yourself, although you want to to express any certain inner urge. Your fairness, tolerance, global thinking and humanity are noticeable, and you may argue with degenerated art or queer music styles. Though your intuitivity is remarkable, you could tend to a nonperception of the mentioned things.

LILITH IN PISCES can produce almost high-grade blurryness and impressingness. Perhaps you go voluntarily in dependence, also separatingnesses and an excessive social activity characterizes you. Possibly you repudiate yourself and don't recognize your internal needs or you don't want allow them to yourself. Fantasy, art sense and inspiration are very strong here. In addition, this position shows the danger to succumb to illusions and surrealities again and again. Possibly the whole life does not appear to you as real, but as virtual.

There's a cool table at the end of this PDF:
http://www.horusset.com/RIKB/Lillith.pdf

Something from the "stars"... celebrities and their Lilith placements.
http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/celebrites/lilith_maisons.htm

Another interp...
http://www.angelfire.com/az/zodiacenterprises/LILART.html

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BM Lilith has fascinated me for a long time - since it is prominently placed in my chart, makes some strong aspects to other chart points and just recently was cj. the Sun of my ex-boyfriend.

Thank you for posting these interpretations, I haven't read them before!

My BM Lilith is in 9th house in Leo - and indeed, I am dealing with the "gender topic" in my work quite often!

I am just quoting from the given interpretations, all the parts that are 100% true for me and my BM Lilith:

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LILITH IN THE 9th HOUSE makes optimistically, generous and gives interest in philosophy and religion. You strive very intensively for education and overload yourself with knowledge. There is the possibility, that others misjudge you or take advantage of you (...)

I must admit ... I can have some righteous streak sometimes, and others have accused me of being mentally/intellectually rash and sometimes arrogant.

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You need a lot of independence and are characterized by honesty, fairness and love for justice. You gladly are missionary and make use of your psychological understanding. Possibly others misunderstand you, and there exists a danger of getting enticed by very high and honourable, but not daily ideals making you appearing as unworldly and queer to your fellow beings.

Yeah - a bit of a fanatic in me, quite often. And when I know I'm right ... no one should try to convince of the opposite. ;-)

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You would never say no to an education journey and immediately get into the airplane, also, the temptation of an emigration is very big here, whereby the danger of idealizing the destination of the emigration exists, and you may later realize to have been a victim of an illusion.

Ha! I had decided to move to my latest love, emigrate into a different country ... after I had visited him there often. But then ... we split "last minute" - and a huge desillusin followed... (Also, I have moved a lot inside my own country - only to change the place again after 3-5 years, when I feel "bored" by a town ...)


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LILITH IN LEO produces strong entertainment urges. Without any problems people can attract you to go to parties, where you then set yourself on stage. You also want to participate in bets and speculations, though your intuition tells you rather to leave your hands of it. You create harmony and peace, know how to flirt and to manipulate people to general well-being. You are probably well-known due to your charming character.

100% right - haha! ;-) I esepcially do like intelligent/witty/sophistacted mind games, debates and conversations on serious or taboo topics - without making them dull, but rather mentally "sexy" and playful and full of (sometimes sarcastic) humour. I am very quick with words (at least in my own language, haha) - and I do not only like going to parties, I invite people to my own parties as well, regularly.

Interpreted like in these quotes ... I LOVE my BM Lilith! ;-)

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posted August 28, 2008 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lilith in the 12 that explains alot. according to different programs it could be in leo or virgo.. how do we find out which sign it is.

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Mine is awful

LILITH IN THE 3rd HOUSE can cause misunderstandings and misjudgings while looking on yourself or on other persons. Perhaps it is not clear to you, how much independence you need, or you even don't want to admit that at all. Therefore you terminate relationships when they become seriously, or you go into a relationship, but get very unhappy with it. You don't want to commit yourself and you also need mental liberty. You feel safe with informal contacts, to which you are looking intensively for, and you can get tempted to meetings without problems.

LILITH IN CAPRICORN lets you hardly resist to the temptations of fame, status and power. You could bring yourself into large difficulties, because you misjudge the actual naturenesses of these characteristics, or you don't want to admit them at all. Problems in partnerships are usually resulting therefore in this position. You could tend to change your fellow beings and, in addition, to suppress their inner values completely. You look for autonomy, but perhaps won't necessarily also grant it to others.

Capricorn - Lilith in Capricorn will hardly ever share any emotions, and these natives may seem unapproachable. Achievement and status will be the method employed to feed the hidden need for emotional contact. At its extremes, here is the anal retentive who must control everything.

Are these true?

Well... let's see... Not completely, but yes, partially true.

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posted August 28, 2008 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeing Stars 7.21 - what do you mean?

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posted August 28, 2008 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

alvarella777 - Yours is totally cool.

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posted August 28, 2008 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seeing Stars 7.21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
seems to create an urge for illusions, fantasies and intoxication conditions. You are probably susceptibly to drugs. This position gives a very strong creative and inspirative capability. You vary between social contacts and retreats to isolation, are engaged excessively in the social area and help sympatheticly wherever it is necessary, whereby you also might neglect yourself.

and the whole time I thought it was Mercury/Neptune or Mars/Neptune or Node in the Pisces.

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Which Lilith do you use?

asteroid Lilith?

mean Black Moon Lilith?

True Black Moon Lilith ? (h13 on astro.com)


True and mean Lilith can be in completely different signs.

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My Lilith is conjunct Chiron, opposite Vertex, square POF and trine Mars.

LILITH IN THE 12th HOUSE seems to create an urge for illusions, fantasies and intoxication conditions. You are probably susceptibly to drugs and easily impressable. On the other hand, this position gives a very strong creative and inspirative capability. You vary between social contacts and retreats to isolation, are engaged excessively in the social area and help sympatheticly wherever it is necessary, whereby you also might neglect yourself. Perhaps a tendency exists, to walk through the life without a self, because you negate, don't recognize or want to admit your own needs.

LILITH IN ARIES often causes an extreme strive for autonomy, leading to problems in partnerships, because you are very interested in partnerships. Perhaps you are changing restlessly possible life partners without committing yourself, because there is always anything wrong with them. With flirts you are courageously, quickly and also successfully, possibly tending to one nite stands. Partnerships and sexual matters can be of uncertainty. You are fair, fighting for justice and peace.


I think that the latter description is interesting since my Vertex (which is opposite Lilith) is also conjunct Uranus. I feel that conjunction very strongly in my relationships so I imagine that it adds to the Lilith oppostion in Aries. Plus, Chiron is in there too, opposing Uranus so that whole dichotomy, for me, represents the shadow side. And that's what Lilith is partly about.


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posted August 28, 2008 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mean BlackMoon Lilith DD.

Actually, hold on... lemme check.

added: Yeah, Mean. not h13, that's what I used from my chart, but as to which they are speaking of in the interpretations, I have no idea.

If I use h13 it moves to 4th House and into Aquarius, so which is which? Which one is often used.

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Actually, the True Lilith sounds like somebody else, and not very "me".

The asteroid (1181, right?) is 7th Taurus. Hmmm...

Maybe they are all significant but I decided some time back not to use the asteroid. But maybe I should.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/010134.html

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"Totally cool", my Lilith-position? ;-) Ha, thanks UNMOVED. As I said: Yeah - I'm pretty well off with the Lilith-interpretations provided by you...! ;-)

Nevertheless, that Lady Lilith keeps me quite busy (and not always comfortable) with some strong aspects she makes in my natal chart.

Supporting aspects of my BM Lilith:

- sextiles my Cupido (If I fall in love I'll immerse myself completely - and like to "re-invent" myself by this rare experience. I am very single-minded, when in love! The man I adore can be sure of 100% percent of my attention.)

- sextiles my Jupiter (a very idealistic and basically optimistic nature, a free spirit, tolerant - and, since my Jupiter is cj. with "Toro" and "Fascination" my self-confident Lilith is looking for a self-confident male counterpart! "Fascination" with a "Toro"-type ... or say: I am often fascinated by a slightly "macho"-like type of guy... even if "stress" is pre-programmed with these guys. Sigh!)

- trines my Moon (Moon in adventurous Sagittarius in 1st house of self - yeah, "independence" stamped all over, supported by Lilith - but I am capable of deep feelings as well - but: only in rare cases - when a "bonding" is really worthwhile to me, special mind bending, etc. Much Cancer and Scorpio given in my chart - I CAN form lasting bonds ... but I am choosey and need much air/room to roam... not at all clingy - and granting "freedom" to my lover as well, which doesn't include pomiscuous behavior, of course, but: time for himself etc. Sometimes it is difficult to interpret for my lovers... my kind of "relationship"-behavior - I guess, it is not very typically "female", maybe .... BUT: SINCERE AND SERIOUS!)

- trine my P.O. Fortune in 5th house of "creativity": Full scale interest in being "the best I can be", it sometimes borders to egocentricity, I must admit. Deep urge to "express" myself, can be quite entertaining - flexible, brave, a good sport... - a need to be "real" and "uncorrupt" and "authentic" - very important to me, I take my personal pride from this. No lukewarmness, bluntness.


Negative aspects of my BM Lilith:

- squares my Neptune in my 1st house (can make me quite suspicious and feel "out of tune" with my surroundings and other people; tendency to daydream; sometimes inflated/exaggerated fantasies, and I tend to overestimate my own strength sometimes.)

- squares my Saturn (difficult to explain - my restless Lilith often fights against rules, discipline, limitations - even if there is none of these to fight against! Stubbornnes to a fault, sometimes a certain rudeness, not very good at making compromises - sometimes I feel "caged in" and bullied, even if no one tries to do so. But the older I get, the easier I find it to overcome moments of self-doubt; and my "aggressive potential" grew more wise and well tempered over the years - well, I hope so.)

- square my ASCENDANT: This is simple: Not eveyrone likes my Lilith-allure - for some I tend to come on too strong or too "intense". Not only to I feel suspicion against others from time to time ... very often other people do doubt my own motives or are frightened by me or find me "too independent". Especially the males - some seem to be fascinated by a certain degree of "excitement" when meeting me ... Often the guys tell me something like: "now YOU are really a COOL chick!" But for most of these ... they might rate me as too "exhausting" for a daily life together. They don't naturally see "marriage material" in me - rather some "wild affair" maybe. I also learnt that men seek me out, romantically or as an advisor when they reached a point in their lives when they want to "change" in a way. (My last boyfriend called me his "therapist" several times ... and I don't really like that, you know...) Don't know - many misunderstandings with guys. Many do think I am extremely promiscuous, for example. I get quite an amount of attention from the other sex - but I am not asking for that! I never cheated anyone in my whole life, and I tend to have long lasting, serious relationships ... I don't pratice "casual sex" remarkably often! But I seem to exude a different image sometimes, that makes it hard for men to trust me and to see my "softer" sides. (As a Cancer-Sun with a Juno placed in conservative/stable Taurus I DO have "softer sides"...! Lilith is like a "wrong mask" in that regard, very often.)

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a777- do you have some interpretations to share? I refuse to believe that mine sucks as much as it does.

by the way, you're not allowed to complain. yours is still good, even after all the burden's of being sexy. While the rest of us are trying to get their attention, you're just trying to make them see more of who you are. You do understand that it's harder to reel them in and you have no problem with that. lucky woman you.

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ooohhh this is one dark topic I have been meditating on for a while Unmoved. Lilith makes us look at ourselves in the mirror.

My Lilith is conjunct my Juno in Aqua 10th House.

It's also conjunct an attractive person's Venus

Does this mean they can easily manipulate me? Or I just have the desire for a commited friendship?

Just can't get my head around having Juno conjunct Lilith - there's something dark and taboo about this combo. What do you think?

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i have Lilith in Cancer in the 8th house, all alone..but it opposes my Neptune, Mercury, and Sun.

i have felt 8th house issues all my life, i thrive on those feelings.

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posted August 28, 2008 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what 8th house issues have you had augentier?

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i am the "proud" owner of a first house Aquarius Lilith.trine saturn and pluto and north node,a karmic position maybe?anyways it squares the midheaven,so that's where i feel it the most.this is the sabian symbol for it:ON A STEEP CLIMB, A TUNNEL OFFERS SHORT-CUT TO A TRAIN The way within to outer success. Sure relief to the toiler ready to face facts. Penetration and direct accomplishment.
___*When positive, the degree is man's gift for meeting the most exacting of demands on his various potentialities, and when negative, uninspired conformity to limitation

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mainly huge issues w/ my sexuality..not questioning my heterosexual preference but..other things. dramatic ends and beginnings..death/rebirth. not sure exactly how lilith plays a role, considering the 8th house is ruled by scorpio/pluto and i have scorpio ASC, venus, and pluto w/ both conjunct my ASC..but i feel i've grown into, and am now comfortable with, my 8th house ..mysteries and this dark eroticism have colored a lot of my life..both good and bad.

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I think Lilith conjunct Sun would add some type of intensity to you. Similiar to Pluto. From my personal expirience, I have Sun in Gemini, And Sag rising, but I've had people tell me they thought I had some strong plutian aspect(s) WHICH I HAVE ZERO OF. My lilith is conujunct my ascendant and in my 1st house.

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Interesting guys. After Seeing Stars' observation, I've noticed that My lilith interpretations sound like the venus-uranus aspects that I have in my natal chart. It also sounds like my 10th house ruler (Moon) being in the 10th house, conjunct my MC.

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UNMOVED: NO - unfortunately I don't have any convincing Lilith-interpretations to share. (I've got some ... well ... mediocre interpretations from books in my own weird language, but they're not worthwhile translating...) BTW: My BM Lilith really, really does work in negative ways too, in some aspects. That "coming on too strong"-factor or these "suspicions" my Lilith-sq-ASC provokes in other people ... it is really not a nice thing and getting on my nerves! ;-)

KOIFLOWER: Yeah .... I knew SOMEONE who had this conjunction as well: Juno cj. Lilith in Aqua! ;-) (With him, it was in his 5th house, though.) Since I was a potential "Juno-mate" to this person - as his lover and girlfriend - I had always been wondering HOW this conjunction might influence his way of bonding. He talked quite mean about his ex-girlfriends ... quite degrading ... he said things like: "My ex-girlfriends ... many of these had been the dull types, and I always had the upper hand ... and got bored quickly." When he coupled up with me ... it probably was a bit different then.;-) But: He didn't like THAT as well. He swayed between jealousy (jealous about my so called "indepence") and suspicion and control/manipulation ... and he felt "accused" AND "neglected" at the same time by me.

I also wondered about the Aqua-placement of Lilith and Juno - maybe, on a subconscious level, ideas of "free love"/various sex partners involved? No traditional fantasies about conservative physical/sexual faith ...- more like: "communard style"? Fascinated by swinging between various partners - instead of "merging" with only one???

Does this ring a bell with you, KOIFLOWER? Or is that just my own perverse fantasy when pondering about Juno-cj.-Lilith in Aqua? ;-)

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posted August 31, 2008 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BML is exactly conjunct Moon in Libra on my chart, and is 3* away from Pluto.


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LILITH IN THE 10th HOUSE lets you gladly manipulate other perople. You strive for fame, power and status, but may not recognize the side effects of these things or you recognize them, but suppress or don't admit them at the same time. The result can be problems, restrictions and in the long run bitterness and discords, which you consider as an interference factor in your life surely. Either you don't accept that another one has power over you, or you are not consciously about others that use their power to your disadvantage at all. And thus you surely are in conflict with leading persons permanently, if you are aware of this, because you need very much freedom, and therefore you also could avoid partnerships or allow them to be on a friendship level only. Probably your demands are much too high, and you overload yourself with responsibilities within the areas of partnership and public relations. This position tempts to taboo breakings, to a questioning of conventions and undemocratic social structures.

LILITH IN LIBRA makes fair, diplomatically and harmony-striving. You like to flirt and manipulate your fellow beings with well-meaning intention. You permanently go into and break or let brake partnerships, because you vary between commitment and thirst for autonomy. The cause could be that you don't want to admit your wrong conceptions about fellow beings, or you don't want to see their real characters. Surely also belongs to it, that you may consider yourself completely different, contrary to the others, or that you are simply misjudged. You are of wisdom and intuition, as well as psychological ability and music love, but you may not have knowledge about it all. You wish to receive emotional loyalty from your life partner, and you want to be accepted emotionally. Probably you have very high requirements in partnerships and wish well working interpersonal relations to yourself.


So what you are saying is that I am manipulative, right?

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posted September 01, 2008 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hee... blue moon - are you?

koiflower - I found this that touches on Lilith and Juno conjunct.

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When looking at lilith in respect to a conjunction, only an orb of 3 degrees or less is allowed (according to most astrologers). I must say, lilith is not something we know a great deal about in terms of aspects....most that is known is in relation to lilith's sign and house placements. Here is all I can say about lilith. It's not much, but maybe it will clarify some things.

Lilith is considered by some to be a co-ruler of scorpio, and so for lilith to conjunct pluto (the actual ruler of scorpio) will be an extremely intense aspect. Most conjunctions involving pluto are stressful, and this seems to be one of them. Pluto is the planet of transformation, regeneration, the occult, sex, and the "darker" side of things. Lilith is known as the dark moon....the emotions we wish to not readily display. It also is associated in women's charts as the power of the original woman. Therefore, this conjunction is a very powerful display of emotional tension. Sexuality always comes into play with lilith, and often times with scorpio too. Since the conjunction deals with beginnings and endings, you may experience alot of sexual transformations in your life.

Lilith conjuncting the ascendant is a sign that you are more open with the "darker" side of your emotions than most are. Unlike most people who choose to hide their lilith, you aren't this way. In fact, your personality depends on this. Be careful to not become too overboard with yourself. Realize what is right and what is wrong with certain things you feel you should do. In a woman's chart this indicates a sexual magnetism and attractiveness.

Juno is what we need. Any aspects to it indicate much about our relationships. If you examine the charts of the famous and pay close attention to juno's aspects, you'll see why certain celebrities have problems while others seem to withstand the glamour. Furthermore, you'll see the problems that do arise for the more unfortunate ones. (was the problem financial, was it about control, was family life a living hell, etc.) So, with that being said, lilith conjunct here is stressful. Your relationships are directly affected by the negative feelings you have. You are very interested in secrecy; don't be surprised if you attract mates who are very private and mysterious. Sexual tension may occur, as you need alot. Be careful not to dictate the relationship...don't overpower the partner even when you think you must.

Sorry, but this is all I really know about lilith. I haven't found any good books or websites that talk about aspects involving lilith, so most of this is based on what I know about lilith and the conjunction. I'm afraid no one can really give you the interpretation I feel you're looking for...something in depth. I wish you luck in finding more about this, and maybe this will help some.



http://nz.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080310164504AA5XFw2

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posted September 01, 2008 05:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How exactly does Dark moon Lilith play out in synastry? What if a man's lilith is square his partner's venus?

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posted September 01, 2008 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have no idea. Really. I was hoping for the knowledgeable to contribute to this mystery of Lilith.

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