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Topic: My friend who abandoned her babies
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Geocosmic Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 994
From: New York, NY
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted September 02, 2008 05:38 PM
 
Mercury in the 12th. As much as I don't like to think of the 12th House this way (my Sun is in 12), it is also the house of "self un-doing" so I definitely hear you in terms of it having that adoption feel. I've seen a lot of adoption clients who have Uranus-Moon aspects, but it's usually accompanied by something else strong, but it makes me wonder. I really wish I could have a conversation with this girl.Also, if I was to count the wide Uranus-Venus square, it intensifies her religious ecstacy because Venus rules her 9th House of religion and WOW! Big ol' strong Pluto resides there in the 9th. There's her long distance travel, her religion, philantropy, intense desire to bolt. IP: Logged |
Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted September 02, 2008 05:43 PM
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Kick it,I think I just got confused, because I thought you were saying that BECAUSE a woman has given birth to a child, she will be MORE responsible for that child than the father their whole lives on, and therefore it would be worse if a woman left her child (after it had been born of course). And I simply think, that even though the mother is clearly more vital for the child, as long as it is in her womb, that BOTH parents are equally important and responsible for raising the child, after it has been born.
DD, yes, all in the womb. Both are equal when junior is out of the tomb.
Although there is that bond a mother has with her children..but I wont go into that right now...or ever!  IP: Logged |
evander
Knowflake Posts: 195
From: east of eu
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted September 02, 2008 05:46 PM
my dad's mom has left her children two times [with different fathers]. wish i knew weather she has uranus square moon. i know she's a double scorpio though. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 7410
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted September 02, 2008 05:59 PM
Kick It ~ quote:
Take a Man who got his partner pregnant. Take a Woman who is preganant by that man.
Give both of them tons of drugs....alcohol, cannabis, coccaine, smack, crack, cigarettes, whatever takes your fancy.
Give both of them McDonalds food, pizzas, junk food, anything at all. Lots of it.
Give them some petrol to wash it down.
Which one of these with an equal amount of stuff above will hurt the child more?
It might interest you to know that *sperm* can be damaged by many of the items you list above even before they make their epic journey to unite with an egg…..See: http://menshealth.about.com/cs/stds/a/healthy_sperm.htm Alcohol.
Alcohol can damage sperm. Limit your alcohol intake when you are trying to improve your fertility. Drugs.
There are a number of drugs that affect fertility, amongst them are steroids, cytotoxic drugs used in cancer treatments and opiates. Contact your family doctor if you are on any long term medication that you are worried may affect your fertility. Doctors should always inform you of any side effects but it is always easy to check if you have forgotten. Environmental toxins.
There is quite a lot of conflicting evidence about the substances that may cause damage to sperm. It is known that radiation causes damage and birth defects. Other substances thought to have a detrimental effect on sperm are some perfumes containing phthalates, some types of pesticides, organic mercury, polychlorinated biphenyls, estrogens in water supply. Many of these substances are still the subject of on-going research. IP: Logged |
Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted September 02, 2008 06:28 PM
It is interesting to know but Im not interested in knowing it.Im interested, or rather was interested...WAS....in what happens in the womb. Now I have no interest in this thread. IP: Logged |
evander
Knowflake Posts: 195
From: east of eu
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted September 02, 2008 06:47 PM
if you're interested in happenings in the womb i strongly suggest reading a book called "Sperm Wars" . It has some outstanding parts on routine sex, sex used to conceive, infidelity ... i can mail it to you if you wantIP: Logged |
Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted September 02, 2008 06:55 PM
WAS! IP: Logged |
belgz
Knowflake Posts: 719
From: sydney
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted September 02, 2008 08:01 PM
Wow i just woke up and its women vs men on whos responsibility they are lol i guess every angry woman is now defeding their position because its always MEN who abandon their children and go off and enjoy tehir new lives with some hoe they picked up at a bar and decide to marry and respect them more rather than the woman who gave them a child.sorry i dont care what any guy says but this is a fact and yes its unusual for a woman to do this because women have always been the anchor of any family. Men know this and know us women do the job better thats why they pin the responsbility on us, but times have changed i guess and i believe its ok to leave your children with the father as the full time parent but in this case she didnt want contact with her children ever again... that was my main concern really.. Back to Geocosmic Valentine Yes she did have problems with her mother and she married very young at 18. i wrote to her several times saying dont do it but she kept saying they were better off with her husband because he had alot of money and she gave up all that money and property as well to just get away from him.. She had her tubes tied and 13 months ago she had an operation to have babies again to her new husband and successfuly fell pregnant straight away nearly. They told her she was having a girl and then after buying all girl things she gave birth to a boy. Maybe another neptune issue! I looked and venus is ruler of 9th and neptune has been conjuct her 9th house ruler as well. in the past about 3 years ago she was alot worse, im muslim too but i dont believe in covering myself up or anything and she went to extremes and covered her face even with a thin black sheet over her head and i had to force her to take it off. we would walk in a petrol station and she would get asked to leave because they cant see her. She eventually took that off and there were times she wanted to go back to normal and we went out clubbing and i convinced her to take it off in the car and she did. We never got caught and we hid alot of stuff. She tells me now that shes always scared her husband will leave her. Hes a pisces with moon in taurus and is shorter than her. Neptune again !! About getting sick i dont think she got sick but she was very lonely and has locked herself in her house for 3 years now from being very free to being stuck in a house.She put on alot of weight and i really feel sorr fo her but she seems content. Her husband got sick back 2 years ago with a motor bike accident and he damaged his kidney. I just hope she wont leave this baby behind if it doesnt work out and when neptune moves away from her ascendant. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 994
From: New York, NY
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted September 03, 2008 12:31 AM
Hi Belgz,Thanks for filling us in on some of the details. No one ever does anything without some kind of positive or negative motivating factor. We'll never be inside of her head to know exactly why she abandoned her children, but we do have a little insight about her Mom, and usually people marry very young in order to escape from their parents' household for their own protection, and sometimes end up marrying someone just like their parents or even worse. That was a pretty compelling statement when you mentioned that she thought about her children's financial well being. That also happens more often than not. The mother realizes that if she kept her own children, she wouldn't be able to care for them without a good job or financial stability. Geocosmic Valentine IP: Logged |
deuxantares
Knowflake Posts: 1197
From: Meet Me in Sofia
Registered: Nov 2006
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posted September 03, 2008 01:11 AM
Kick It, another one of those threads that you should not have touched? LOL  IP: Logged |
Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 03, 2008 03:32 AM
Zala - we should add 'holding the remote control for prolonged periods of time' and 'being a couch potato' to the reasons for infertility list!I think I'm right in saying that more often than not it's a male problem IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 3991
From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 03, 2008 05:41 AM
Kick it,so in the end I agreed with you all along, and just didn`t notice? That`s pretty typical for me, seeing disagreements where there are none. IP: Logged |
Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 10:47 AM
Deuxantares and DD, yeah!IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
Moderator Posts: 7410
From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted September 03, 2008 12:54 PM
Lara ~ IP: Logged |
Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted September 03, 2008 03:03 PM
So where do you think child payments comes into the natal?
Obviously 5th for Child and I guess 6th (second from fifth) can be money earned by the child.IP: Logged |
Lindaland
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