posted September 12, 2008 01:16 PM         

0. Awesome Sex is always Awesome Yes. SW will need to balance and confirm with the other party before forcing it. Libra Moon.

1. Has Germany ever acted as Libran.. I don't think so..Have you worked with Germans or lived in Germany? Based on my experience, It's a Scorpio. E.g. My previous boss was a German Aqua Sun/Moon woman, but it was really her German Scorpio side that always stood out compared with other Aqua women in the group..

2. She is 5th house Cancer with Sun Moon Jupiter Conjuct, She has Aqua rising but majority of her first house is covered by Pisces. I will post her chart in another thread. I used to play several musical instruments from artistic perspective, but havent found time lately. I love to check out Pablo's paintings once in a while. Maroon painting on some kind of deeper issue of the human kind would be interesting to pursue..

4. Bro is 11th house Gem Sun/Merc + Taurus Moon + Mars/Jup in Aries + Venus in Leo + Saturn Cancer in 12th house with 29 degree Cancer Rising. He has only Saturn in Cancer.. You will know everything now.

5. Your Libra moon helps smooth out things with your Mom. 8th house is always interesting.

6. I multi task everday and have multiple interests always. But I am getting closer to my real Scorp side and hoping I can laser focus on only one thing at a time.

7. Sag Neptune has yet to show some visions on work place. but if you think about it.. i should have been laid off or let go or I should have felt a lot of Neptune pain etc.. Nothing has happened yet. I will have to see how things unfold its too early to say things about work place.. but i know i have never worked as a Neptunian person in work place..

I don't need you to have background in space nor in robotics.. I know how to train your mind and soul to start inventing and collaborate with other inventors.. does it make sense?

8. Your psychology - if I give you the answer now, that will not be any challange because i have already communicated enough.. the real fun would be to answer just by feelings and finding the depth without probing..

posted September 12, 2008 05:47 PM         

I don't feel any particular significance from my Mars singleton, my only Earth placement. My Mars feels really weak actually. I believe I embody the Plutonian rulership of Scorpio much more than the traditional Mars rulership.

I've said it before, but I should repeat that my sexual energy seems too much for the good majority of women I've been sexually involved with. Maybe thats where my Mars mostly expresses itself.

posted September 13, 2008 03:48 AM         

5. yes. considering that your MC ruler (venus) is conj sun, you should be a natural at property. Not only that, saturn (which rules 6th house - house of service/workplace), another property planet is conj your IC, and as we know IC is the home (private sphere). Your other earth house is the 2nd (values, possessions), ruled by mercury and that too is conj your sun. You would be a shoe-in for this type of work. Not only that, capricorn and mars are in the SN, so its a built in gift. Mars is also conj the 6th, giving you much energy to do deal with work like this. Likewise as you mention, botany is all the earth houses involved. History is ruled by saturn, lord of the karma and you can see again that saturn is conj the IC in your chart, which too is karmic and can point to previous life or at least looking back, history is a natural for you too. Have you thought about antique dealing as well, or something historical and involving beauty (saturn in libra) - eg art gallery curator?

As for bar tending, I guess you enjoy it? You have neptune (alcohol) in your 5th.

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Re mars: your mars can't be weak, its in capricorn, which is exalted. It would give you much stamina. Singletons might make it a bit sensitive but I don't think it would weaken it. I have a singleton neptune myself and I don't think its weak (quite the opposite actually). That is where you get your stamina sexually (cap mars in 5th - love/romance house) and then combine it with scorpio (stellium) and it can be quite fatal I guess. But as you say because its "unaspected" (I'm half-half on quintiles being a major aspect), you might fee that it roams and that it is misplaced and that maybe you are trying to locate it. But another person would be able to see the telling force of your mars in your chart/personality.
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/dde3467b-df04-4a45-94c8-7aeb8e91e741

posted September 13, 2008 04:11 AM         

0. So does that mean that you won't confirm in any way shape of form before "forcing it"? I hope you are darn good at knowing what consent is, for you may be hovering around rape my friend.

1.
As suggested by astro.com: http://www.astro.com/nat/1natde_e.htm?lang=n

Data used: Oct 3 1990, 00.00 am CET, Berlin
That means that the unified Germany has sun/venus in libra. Leo rising, jupiter in 1st. I agree that maybe the unified Germany is like this because:
(1) It was the merger and balancing of E and W Germany;
(2) They have DIPLOMATIC power in Europe.

(yes I was shocked myself when I first discovered this but since, I can understand).

Otherwise, for the other Germanys prior to unification: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/countries/germany.php
Note the aries moon in the previous to incarnations of Germany and the appearance of Capricorn in the charts.

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Have you worked with Germans or lived in Germany?

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2. So, how do you deal with the mars squ saturn aspect, mars conj saturn aspect and her slight leo tinge? (for example her mercury in leo and your sco stuff?)
What instruments do you play? I can't remember what water rules. I know strings is fire, percussion is earth, wind instruments is air.
Pablos ok, his exhibition is in my town at the moment, which is a big deal for us. However, I've seen better

4. Yes, I know someone who is born a few days after your brother and well this person although socially is in the know, drives people nuts with his inconsiderate behaviour.

5. My mum has no connection to my 8th with her planets. Her pluto (most likely ruler of her 8th, don't know her birthtime) though is in my 4th (unfortunately)

7. Train - you mean control?

8. You haven't communicated enough*, aw no fun! I'm very interested in what people think of me because I haven't ever asked and it's only now that a few things have slipped out (that other people have said) in reality for me. And anyway, I can't just sit in front of this computer screen and "feel", this is a website where people talk (yes communicate!) about astrology. I can't just "feel" my thoughts to you.

* Code: Inability to interpret or too lazy

PS what do you think of your square from jupiter to sun/moon? Does that cause any friction between 2nd and 5th house issues in your life? Are you maybe too generous with loved ones?

posted September 13, 2008 12:09 PM         

While landscaping, my biggest client was an older lady who needed help with her businesses: antiques and real estate. A very Cancerian woman, she was born on the Gemini/Cancer cusp, but I don't know which sign she is actually in, or her other placements. I put my landscaping on hold and she hired me to help restore some houses she was working on, and to travel with her regionally to assist with antique shows. I hadn't thought about her impact, but maybe her lifestyle is partially meant for me too.

Yeah, I really enjoy bartending. I can socialize with many people, without having to get too personal. But every day is essentially the same; there is no room for job growth in bartending. Its just a job, not a career, and I need something more challenging.

posted September 13, 2008 04:27 PM         

Yes, bartending is a job not a career unless you want to establish owning a business in the hospitality industry.

As for mars, I think an unaspected planet makes us blind to the energy of it, as I said, we try to search for it but the energy is pure and others can see it. I have a similar issue with my unaspected venus, it is in sag/9th. For myself, its the constant compulsion for me to deal with in activities that involve venus with those qualities. Its easy for me to do though because jupiter is in my 1st. You might feel the same about your mars, that you constantly feel compelled to try and use it (you've already tested it out and said it was too "subtle" to rely on which means that you felt that you have compelled to use it and felt that you couldn't locate it). I don't see you a problem with using your mars but it must not be used on its own, you can't be practical for the sake of satisfying your urge of your mars because then you'll be already enagaging in activities that you know (mars conj SN) but you must use it for the purpose of the NN, ie to move forward and learn the lessons that have been given to you now. So as I said, maybe the cancer lady and her activities might assist you a lot in this pursuit. Also, have a look to see what deposits your NN, which is the moon. See what it is aspected too. You should use these qualities in your quest for this life. Since you have said that she hired you to restore her house, that again is a good thing for you. Why? Because you are beautifying and balancing the home out, you are able to use your intensity and physical understanding of space on homes (moon conj pluto/saturn).

Furthermore, going back to mars, your mars would be ultra-sensitive to any aspects. When someone aspects my venus, I feel it very intensely and I guess it operates on a heavier level than an unaspected venus. Likewise with your mars, maybe that's why your partners can't match your drive. It also occurred to me that you have an angular sco stellium, this too would intensify the strength of it.

As for your perception of being irritated, that may have something to with the quincunx between mars and asc. I'd say that trine between ura and asc might give you somewhat an aloof quality maybe an unpredictability as well but a sense of friendliness/approachability. P*ssed off might be just the negative of a fire rising and it probably comes out in words because your sun (chart ruler) is conj merc. The sarcastic behavior is probably saturn conj your moon. An annoyed saturn can be very caustic and dry. It might also just be the negative side of scorpio as well.

posted September 13, 2008 05:29 PM         

If you have noticed your own chart, you have NN in virgo. The depositor of your NN is mercury in scorpio/5th. This means that in order to learn the lessons in your present life, you should critically analyse things with much depth and intensity ("laser focus") in a creative way. Your responses to the German issue and the "refusal" to analyse my chart and place your thoughts down on this thread shows that you are failing in this instance your NN issues. You can't simply feel issues, whilst having mercury in scorpio means that it is invaluable, I wish you would critically analyse situations a bit more.

In regard to me, you might say that I might need to be taught to feel and maybe that might have some credence. As you see, I have my NN conj vx in the 8th/sco. Depositor of my NN/vx is pluto and that is in libra conj DC and (in effect) conj my moon in 7th. This means that my task in life is to deeply examine and feel my relationships with others (and other's relationships with others), doubly so, considering that the vx is a door and is commonly used in analysis of relationships. Whilst you have been generous in answering my questions (I really do appreciate that ), I feel at times that maybe you are playing games with me (which is fun to a point) and really not helping me achieve maybe what I'm supposed to to. I'm not sure if I'm mislead in my thinking (maybe my moon and pluto wants too much), please correct me if I'm wrong.

posted September 13, 2008 09:53 PM         

My natal Part Of Fortune is at 9Virgo48. I know this is an important part of a chart, but I've never studied it.

Here is my progressed chart below. I've never studied progressed charts either.

posted September 14, 2008 10:59 PM         

Again, I don't associate Russia with scorpio, Russia is probably an Aqu (vast, cold, distant, technologically talented in their own way, misunderstood, stubborn and not to be pushed around). I haven't bothered to look her up and won't until you provide the proof. I'd associate a country like Spain with scorpio (sexual dancing, attitude etc).

Still if Germany is a scorpio and Russia is an aqu or sco, it might explain why they don't get along.

posted September 14, 2008 11:09 PM         

Also going back to mars, it is anarectic in your natal chart which means that maybe you've extra assertive in 5th house issues recently. Maybe that's why no one can match you.

Also the change over in your asc is a very big deal and only happens a few times in our lives. Maybe you are a adjusting to your new projection. In hindsight when I became a tau asc, my appearance changed a lot.

With the moon progressing through libra and due in the next few years for a lunar return, that's a bid deal. When your prog moon is conj your natal moon, you will definitely start thinking about your appearance and may be quite a charmer. I had my lunar return in the 7th and could not put my foot wrong during that time.

Also saturn has recently changed signs and this rules your 5th prog, 6th natally. So how you undertake 5th house and 6th house issues has changed. Also communication is much more intense now than before. Pluto changing signs might have a greater impact when it happens. Also your MC will be changing in a few years, you might start getting interested in more mentally orientated positions.

Interesting how jupiter was rx in your progressions, maybe with jupiter now going direct, your "luck" might change, maybe life might get easier.

posted September 15, 2008 03:09 AM         

Please correct and discuss with me if necessary:
I was also thinking that one of the major issues that you have with your NN is that apart from being able to critically analyse, you must be able to be flexible (which must be communicated - 3rd house). Virgo is a mutable and thus flexible. I was reading some of your old threads and I think there's this tendency to think in a concrete fashion, there's this tendency to think for example scorpio "like this", everything else "like that or do not compute". You need to understand each sign has its good points and bad points.

Another one is that air people have no emotions. I quote what you said about my opinion on the Porsche car commercial:

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I don't see any emotions here lol

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Now that was in response to my first opinion on the thread. When I first saw that commercial and wrote that opinion, I felt rather disguisted; the commercial made me feel rather sick, a bit like eating too much rich food. It's what I feel now when I see it again (unfortunately for you ) However, I didn't verbalise exactly what I felt. Instead I gave a rationalised response after I said I hated it (which is an emotion in itself )

A lot of people think that about air people. If you saw me, you'd see a person with emotions. It really upset me and made me angry (<--two emotions) how you made blanket statements with the descriptions that quite frankly sounded like something like a lay person's astrology book. I do have emotions but I analyse what I felt afterwards and how I reacted in a situation, that's the air bit and that's what I did by revisiting that post. I can't divorce myself from what I feel nor would I want to, that wouldn't be human and a whole dimension of life would be left out. Remember, every chart has a moon, if there was no emotion in a person, there would be no moon in their chart.

I'm not sure how long you've been looking at astrology but the more you do it, the more grey it becomes. It's very easy to think concrete. I'm not saying that I'm a master myself at astrology but I can certainly say that I have matured a lot as an astrologer the last few years, however, I have a lot to learn still.

Now to get back on track, I think you can use the scorpio focus of intensity to follow your NN path but I think "laser focussing" on its own is a bit pointless, getting to the heart of being a scorpio is not your life's mission. Your mission is not to be concrete but to critically analyse and to be flexible. The way to do it is through:

(a) communicating with others - 3rd house
(b) doing it in your own personal time - 12th house.

posted September 15, 2008 08:01 PM         

lol, It's so sad that you think of 5th house as Sex etc. I was referring to an entertaining person in terms of two things.. 1. someone who makes things alive in parties, outings or any kind of family/friendship events. 2. Someone who can express himself without any confusion.

And, I don't understand where I am saying I want to have sex with you. It's your misconception that every time you would review a Scorp man's chart, you would think that he is interested in having sex. Remember Sex is a deep spirituality for a Scorp - if not for all, then at least for me.

And, In fact, I am very happy that you are with a Gem/Scorp man. May be I haven't clarified that Scorps go through much deeper review before they pick their partners - if not all, then at least I do. And, there is no way I could think about anything more than a friendship.

Little story, It is hilarious. I know a Leo Lady who worked under a Scorp boss. Both are scientists. None of them know astrology or anything. They had an amazing blast in a 1 month relationship. It was so deep for a Leo woman because this Scorpio man told her that she looks like a 'Queen'. But, it is so hilarious and funny that after one week the Scorp boss told the Leo lady that 'We will have a divorce in future. So, we need to end it.'.. Thats so funny because they even hadn't begun their relationship. You see, that's how Scorp men are.

And, You better know I am the URANUS here. I am giving much more objective and clear responses than you are.

PS what happens if I'm very unattractive, would you "undress" me then? :P

I don't get confused with those stupid what if I am very unattractive remarks. I am smart enough to know that you are worth of scanning after reviewing your Aries Rising, your Eyes somewhere on the thread, your Libra moon on 7th etc. I have already partially scanned you, but I don't think its appropriate to write those comments on this board. Sometimes, in private email on this one please.

sometimes it does operate like that where hatred and love really are the same point of a circle but trust me, there have been men that I hate with no inch of lust involved

Agree with you on Sometimes.

You a gemini, a mutable?! LOL! Maybe you're water at below zero degrees celcius (32 F for you Yanks). I would say that you are naturally stubborn and maybe cardinal in nature, specifically aries. Conj is associated with aries, it is the first aspect. Would you agree?

Gem, oh yes, I love to play that Mask until I am scanning the other person. How about 'Volcano' or 'Hurricane' for a change? It fits better with the 5th house.

I have to say you have picked quite well on Stubborn, 'Aries' and Cardinal nature. If you are only watching me at work - I believe you would find me as an Aries at early stage. But over time, you shall see the Leo side first. And, after a long long time, you shall find the real retaliatory Scorp sides.

I am also very anxious to start my own businesses to satisfy that 10th Aries House.

How come I don't get this respect?!

I have already respected you by telling you 'Unique' and 'Brilliant'.. could you tell me how many people have given you this truthful compliment? Most men will be giving you compliments on your body or some parts of your personality. But, how many put together everything in package word such as 'Unique'?

self-focused and see things in one way.

True.

quite caustic and dry in your communication.

Hmm, I am not sure on this one. It depends with whom I am communicating. Remember, only Mercury or 3rd house does not equal communication. Depending on what is playing the psychological role such as Mars in Anger, Venus in Love, 10th house ruler at work, Saturn in terms of control, 3rd house ruler, Mercury, and all of these combined with projection (moon) determines how a person communicates.

With you, I might be coming across as Dry and Serious because I am trying to get points through your mind in as much objective and simple manners as I can. For others such as Cancer or Pisces, I could come across as very emotional.

your mom/dad

I would imagine how 'unique' it would have been to be raised by a Leo Father and a Scorpio Mother. Drama would be awesome. But, don't you think, that's the reason why God chose you to be an Aqua with Libra Moon?

Your Mom

How come you haven't figured out your mom's chart yet? As they say, we all take our mama for granted

Train - you mean control?

You better use 'Transform' and not control.

what do you think of your square from jupiter to sun/moon

I don't like this Square. But, need more time to assess 2nd house Personal Wealth. I am just about to finish my first Saturn return.. Need atleast 2nd to find proper answer on this one.

posted September 15, 2008 08:44 PM         

I find it utterly foreign how you have to ask another as to how to behave?! I thought just being polite, showing interest in her and being yourself would have been enough. My behaviour of course gets modified depending who I am around but I've never asked others how I should behave. Each to their own I guess.

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We kissed for 30 mins in a store on our first date

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Saturn in the 3rd, virgo - accurate time keeping. I've never kept track of things like this myself

posted September 16, 2008 03:34 AM         

Actually you've just twisted the argument to your way.

Look at the inference chain you drew up.

"Yep. Ultimate punch = Huge LUST = Awesome Sex"
That's an equal sign between each object, that to me says that the inference is an absolute, that is, one would lead to another with 100% probability.

I said: "if I ever met him we'd have the ultimate punch up". To me with what you wrote, you were inferring that you (1) thought of sex, (2) you related it back to me because I said "ultimate punch up". When I said "ultimate punch up" I meant really not get along well with no positive feelings, I wasn't even thinking of anything remotely near sex when I wrote that. I interpreted nuance in what you said, it wasn't directly said. Communication can occur in non-direct fashion.

Now you say that it's a 5th house thing, maybe its a 5th house joke that I wasn't aware of. Maybe its just a gender difference issue what has happened. It could be internet miscommunication, could be cultural misunderstanding.

Now you are putting words into my mouth as to what I think is the meaning of the 5th house. Here is what I have said about the 5th house on another thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018758.html

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5th house is traditionally the house of sex but maybe in the modern sense, quick flings, summer romances, crushes, flirty love etc.

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(And what I mean by that is the fundamentally "fun"/playing is underneath them all)
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I should also add that 5th house is to with grand displays and drama or romance and love. The big flowers, the showering with over the top gifts, very creative and extravagant displays of affection etc.
Compare to 8th: (done in a secret whisper) "meet behind the shed later"
Compare to 1st: (done in a very direct way with aggression) "you, me, car park, NOW"

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No, it would be screaming at the top of his lungs in a shopping centre dressed in a shiny suit full of sequins with arms wide open and flowers in them "I love you, you are the Queen of My Hearts, meet me tonight!!!!!" Making the biggest possible scene about it.

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Yes 5th is, it's LUUUUURRRRRRRVE

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And what I mean is the big grand romance.

I know what it means to have someone's planets in my 5th and I can relate to the crushy, rosey-cheeked, starstruck feeling it is. I guess you feel that permanently with all that stuff in your 5th house.

posted September 16, 2008 03:46 AM         

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It's your misconception that every time you would review a Scorp man's chart, you would think that he is interested in having sex. Remember Sex is a deep spirituality for a Scorp - if not for all, then at least for me.

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No I never said that a scorpio would have sex with everyone and everything. I said:

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Another thing I noticed is they both like sex. I suppose every sco does, more so for these boys maybe.

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Most people like sex and based on what you have said just up there and before, it's very important to you (and possibly other scorpios). If its a spiritual experience, then it must be good. Maybe what I wrote was poorly worded, maybe I should've said "its important". And by the way important does not equal interested in having sex.

You said:

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May be I haven't clarified that Scorps go through much deeper review before they pick their partners - if not all, then at least I do.

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A lot people do, a lot of people don't. I don't think sco are the only one. I certainly do and I'm not a sco. Most people when they enter a serious relationship do some sort of analysis because there's more to gain/lose.

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Little story, It is hilarious. I know a Leo Lady who worked under a Scorp boss. Both are scientists. None of them know astrology or anything. They had an amazing blast in a 1 month relationship. It was so deep for a Leo woman because this Scorpio man told her that she looks like a 'Queen'. But, it is so hilarious and funny that after one week the Scorp boss told the Leo lady that 'We will have a divorce in future. So, we need to end it.'.. Thats so funny because they even hadn't begun their relationship. You see, that's how Scorp men are.

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posted September 16, 2008 03:52 AM         

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And, You better know I am the URANUS here. I am giving much more objective and clear responses than you are.

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You are uranus in that you shock me! I prefer to be the shocker by the way in any relationship

posted September 16, 2008 04:15 AM         

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PS what happens if I'm very unattractive, would you "undress" me then? :P

I don't get confused with those stupid what if I am very unattractive remarks. I am smart enough to know that you are worth of scanning after reviewing your Aries Rising, your Eyes somewhere on the thread, your Libra moon on 7th etc. I have already partially scanned you, but I don't think its appropriate to write those comments on this board. Sometimes, in private email on this one please.

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I admit, my "unattractive" remark was a stab in relation to your "undressing" remark which made you look arrogant/sleazy/sexual to me.
As for what you have just responded above, that can be interpreted two ways, being:
1. you are simply doing a review for the sake of understanding me and astrology;
2. another way.
I'll take it as the first and give you benefit of the doubt.
I'm curious, what did you think of the Aries rising thread? I thought more people would be interested and contributing to it and seeing what observations they could derive. I was a bit disappointed. I'm still not finished with the "experiments" on it but I think I'll just continue it on my desktop.

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How about 'Volcano' or 'Hurricane' for a change?

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How come I don't get this respect?!
Being silly, playing sook*. Again my fault for not making it clear.
Thanks for the compliments otherwise (and I have actually been called "unique" lol)
*EDIT - sorry local slang - acting sad when not getting your way.

With you, I might be coming across as Dry and Serious because I am trying to get points through your mind in as much objective and simple manners as I can. For others such as Cancer or Pisces, I could come across as very emotional.
True. Plus 3rd house ruler is in 5th so maybe also "fun" as well.

I would imagine how 'unique' it would have been to be raised by a Leo Father and a Scorpio Mother. Drama would be awesome. But, don't you think, that's the reason why God chose you to be an Aqua with Libra Moon?

Drama? Drama?! I think that's an understatement, I'm sure a soap could be written on our lives and be very profitable. Dad was fine, mum was autocratic drama queen (even you'd think she was impossible!). Two libra moons couldn't calm her down. It's a whole new thread the relationship between us all. Funnily enough, we all stick together despite the never ending arguing.

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How come you haven't figured out your mom's chart yet? As they say, we all take our mama for granted

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You better use 'Transform' and not control.
Control!
Control!
Control!
Control!
(joke)

I don't like this Square. But, need more time to assess 2nd house Personal Wealth. I am just about to finish my first Saturn return.. Need atleast 2nd to find proper answer on this one.

Squares are action, don't think it's all bad. Still trying to figure out mine. How was/is your saturn return? Mine wasn't bad, it was the other aspects that saturn was making that was bad.

PS If you want anything deleted from any of these responses after you have read this, let me know.

posted September 17, 2008 01:18 PM         

My Scorpio pessimism has always helped me to expect things to never last. I've always prepared for the worst, and the worst comes.

posted September 17, 2008 03:15 PM         

My two cents...

Mblover can easily make millions in the stock market with such an excellent 5th house in the sign of other people's cash and a Cancer Asc for financial planning.

Likewise, ScorpWeb can make millions by picking up seriously undervalued real estate thanks to a loaded 4th house Scorpio.

Buy during Mars transit Stellium and sell next Mars transit. Thats the formula.