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Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 07:41 PM
 
Couple of things...1. Why do you think some celebrities may give a wrong time out in the hope of keeping the natal chart hidden?
What bad can an accurate natal chart, in public view, do against them? 2. If you have someone who can work the ASC out by appearance or even using transits, do you think we should respect their right for it to remain private? Or just go ahead anyway? 
You can answer this as yourself too. As normal people Some on here may not want theirs revealed. I dont give a .... thingy.
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spunknini
Knowflake Posts: 261
From: Sydney NSW, Australia
Registered: Mar 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 07:51 PM
LOL I couldn't give a rat's thingy either Kick it! What are they gonna do to me seriously? Type me to death? lolololololololIP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
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posted October 05, 2008 07:53 PM
Type you to death? Thats a new one!IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 3991
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posted October 05, 2008 07:54 PM
You think they give the wrong date to keep the natal chart hidden?Oh and I always thought they give the wrong year so they appear younger. Jeez, I guess I was soo wrong.  Or do you mean they give the wrong birthtime, hour and minute? And who did such a thing? IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 1032
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posted October 05, 2008 07:58 PM
Check a few astro sites which have databases.It does happen  IP: Logged |
Dervish
Knowflake Posts: 463
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posted October 05, 2008 08:12 PM
It's possible that they've been exposed to the occult. Some occult philosophies say that it can be easier to work bad mojo on someone if you have their chart. But if the chart is slightly off then it can really mess any such spells aimed at them or whatever up. That's the only reason I can think of. But I know a guy that even though he insists he doesn't believe in astrology, absolutely refused to give me his birth info. But he was exceedingly paranoid, so who knows what his twisted brain thought I was going to do with the info? Maybe he didn't even know but decided it was better to not find out. IP: Logged |
Lara
Knowflake Posts: 3274
From: London
Registered: Mar 2006
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posted October 05, 2008 08:22 PM
lolyou bored hon?  I think that they are just so damn mean not to let us dissect them IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 08:34 PM
A few people have given me wrong time. Friends, or were  Guess Im not the only person out of hundreds of members here.Thank you for that Dervish, good reply. Think about it logically, we give advice based on someones natal and a few things may happen which are accurate
So if we get a few things right, that would mean there is something to it (way beyond that stage!) which means people might not want others to see what has gone on in their natal chart/life. Or what is going, or what will go on. Does anyone feel like this? to add to the original questions.....  IP: Logged |
spunknini
Knowflake Posts: 261
From: Sydney NSW, Australia
Registered: Mar 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 08:40 PM
Well I believe DD is onto something there re wrong birth year etc because we all know that "age" is a big problem for actors. Although it makes me wonder how hollywood go to such extreme lengths to make us believe that a 29 year old woman can be cast in the role of a high schooler??? Drives me batty it does.IP: Logged |
Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 08:49 PM
Longer legs?IP: Logged |
Unmoved
Knowflake Posts: 2160
From: Born in S.Africa
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 05, 2008 08:53 PM
I had someone accuse me of the invasion of their privacy because I had a dream about them which imitated his life. I thought this person was a nutter because they were serious about it. Answers: 1. They are fanatical and paranoid unless they know something I don't know - which is a high possibility. That's just taking astrology a bit far. I think they think people will actually know something about them from a chart. A person who can see your secrets from a chart doesn't need to use a chart to know your secrets, y'know wa'mean? 2. I say go ahead. That's just crucifying people for being smart, observant or beating people up for having good deduction skills. If you can find meaning in nothing, good for you. Speculative activities are entertaining and they don't stop being fun just because you're the subject matter. That's just reality. It's not fun being observed for some, I know. Speculation is a use of imagination and is nowhere near a real invasion of privacy like going through people's garbage. I think the paparazzi/media wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is if this institution didn't spy and stalk people. If they just looked at celebrity charts for their headlines, I don't think celebrities would be complaining much. They'd be having a laugh about it instead. Of course, when astrology can be used as evidence in court, it will be an invasion of privacy because it would have crossed the line of being a subjective and speculative practice to being like a photo - more likely to produce the same description from people. A picture of a dog is not likely to be described as a picture of a house, regardless of differing personal interpretation. Right now, the chart is a photo that's out of focus and can't be used as fact yet. So, if you think it is factual, you are futuristic and way ahead of your time. Note! I was just playing the devil's advocate because it's more fun. I was not answering as myself. I don't know if it's an invasion of privacy or not. If they think it is, who am I to say it isn't? edited. Dervish, that's a pretty good answer. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 08:58 PM
Good reply, especially with the legal bit. brings up a whole new take on things. quote:
I had someone accuse me of the invasion of their privacy because I had a dream about them which imitated his life. i thought this person was a nutter because they were serious about it.
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Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 09:00 PM
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A person who can see your secrets from a chart doesn't need to use a chart to know your secrets, y'know wa'mean?
No. Do you want to explain that further? IP: Logged |
jane
Knowflake Posts: 2000
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posted October 05, 2008 09:14 PM
Since celebrities don't have the luxury of anonymity, the private ones avoid uncomfortable exposure by giving out false birth info. I'd probably do the same thing. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 05, 2008 09:26 PM
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**I'll probably delete this post.
Awwww, but that means I cant quote any of the good bits, which was ALL OF IT. Thanks. IP: Logged |
Unmoved
Knowflake Posts: 2160
From: Born in S.Africa
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 05, 2008 09:27 PM
Astrologers are tapping into more than just the chart. It's a gift and not just a skill. Of course, talents can be developed but some people just have the talent while some don't - even if they went to school for it. Practice makes a person better. Sure. But, the finesse of doing a reading is just a bit more. Call it art, if you like but that's not accurate because I find science quite artistic, even if art and science are "opposites". A chart is an assistant, and the person doing the reading is the one who can make sense out of chaos. If a reading is about just trying to get hits and not something inspired, then it's suspect. A person who can uncover secrets is probably generally good at uncovering secrets without a certain instrument or tool. One might find a tool that personally works better like a chart, but a chart is one of many ways of using one's innate talent or skill. IP: Logged |
jane
Knowflake Posts: 2000
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posted October 05, 2008 09:32 PM
Kick It - I'm glad to have helped you understand the mind of shy, paranoid nuts. IP: Logged |
Unmoved
Knowflake Posts: 2160
From: Born in S.Africa
Registered: Jun 2007
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posted October 05, 2008 09:40 PM
aha! I knew it was you! Gotcha jane! God, I impress myself at how good I am at finding dirt on people! that was a bad joke and if it worked, you should be having an anxiety attack right about now. Muahaha! Idle hands... *shakes head in mock shame while suppressing an evil laugh* IP: Logged |
jane
Knowflake Posts: 2000
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posted October 05, 2008 09:44 PM
You're so evil! 
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blue moon
Moderator Posts: 4700
From: U.K
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted October 06, 2008 03:12 AM
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1. Why do you think some celebrities may give a wrong time out in the hope of keeping the natal chart hidden?
What bad can an accurate natal chart, in public view, do against them?
They've done with courting publicity, and are now increasingly obsessive about their privacy. My natal chart is public, it's on this site where everyone can see it. They can probably work out my date of birth if they feel so inclined. I haven't put time and place of birth because I was born in a small town. If I was famous this information would be more freely available so hiding that information would be less relevant. Famous or otherwise I would be protective about my address, NI number and banking details. quote:
2. If you have someone who can work the ASC out by appearance or even using transits, do you think we should respect their right for it to remain private? Or just go ahead anyway?
Same as for someone non-famous, my guiding policy is not to say anything online I wouldn't be prepared to say to their face. A moral code is essential in astrology but it applies across the board to everyone, whether they are Beyonce or the cleaning lady whose chart feature a while back. If someone is set on doing me harm they can find a million ways that don't include saying a spell using my birth data. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer
Knowflake Posts: 3991
From: Germany
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted October 06, 2008 04:40 AM
Hmm, that is all very valid, about protecting their privacy and all.But wouldn`t that mean, that they all are - at least secretly- thinking / suspecting that astrology actually works? IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted October 06, 2008 05:29 AM
Spells? Thats getting onto hocus pocus ground! You actually believe that stuff IP: Logged |
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