posted October 09, 2008 10:58 AM         

I disagree. I don't trust the polls. There could be a Bradley effect. Also...Kerry was very ahead in the polls in 2004, and look how that turned out.

The only polls that matter are the actual voting IMHO.

I also believe that there could be election fraud and voter disenchfranchisement(many blacks were kept from voting in the past).

I looked at the presidential election.
I believe that McCain will be elected. I am not saying this out of pessimism. I admit that I didn't believe that Obama had a chance to be actually elected until a week ago. Therefore, I was very impartial when I checked the charts with Magi Astrology. I also picked Bush as the winner for the last 2 elections. I used Magi Astrology for those elections too. I am 2 for 2 in regards to elections. I would rather be wrong. I am a liberal Democrat,and I would like to see Obama win the election, but Magi Astrology seems to point to a McCain win....especially McCain has 2 Super Cinderella transits. Not only that..he forms a Cinderella Mystic Triangle with Palin, and transiting Neptune is aspecting that on election day. Transiting Neptune is currently retrograde. It goes direct the day before election day. McCain will then have that Cinderella Mystic Triangle transit, and Obama will have transiting Neptune quincunx Mars which is a turbulent aspect. Transiting Pluto will be in a Super Cinderella Transit with McCain's Mars parallel Chiron too. Barack Obama has no Cinderella transits on Election Day compared to McCain's 2 Super Cinderella transits on Election Day.

President Bush was re-elected in 2004 while having 2 Cinderella transits, that involving Chiron-Venus and Neptune-Chiron, but John Kerry only had 1,and that involved his Venus to his Chiron which is not significant because it's a Cinderella transit formed by a transiting inner planet. Transits from outerplanets are more significant. That was what got me to pick Bush to be elected in 2004 against many astrologers predicting a Kerry win.

Like I said before,I hope that I am very wrong. I want the Democrats back in office. I believe that Obama is the right man for the job, but I don't believe that he will be elected.

if you look at USA's chart....it has Sun in Cancer square Saturn
to me, that aspect indicates that USA is a strongly conservative country set it in its ways and can be rigid to make changes. I had mentioned that with Bush's Sun conjunct the USA's Sun,he can win by appealing to USA's patriotism.

I also want to reiterate that if Hillary Clinton had won the Democratic nomination, she would not have been elected because of transiting Neptune in t-square to her Mercury square Saturn on Election Day. There is also transiting Chiron square her Venus on election day which is called the IMPOSSIBLE DREAM clash transit. With those transits,I wouldn't have seen her as being vice president either. I saw that fall of last year, and so I figured she would lose the election. McCain has better transits than both Obama and Hillary,and so I believe he will be the next president of the USA. His transits also show that he will be greatly disliked by the time of the election and after it, with transiting Saturn oppose his Saturn.

here is my post:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019319.html

here is my post predicting a Bush win in 2004. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astrology.moderated/browse_thread/thread/1ece0e231c6144fd/8ee38a579a511b58?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=bush+2004+election#8ee38a579a511b58

posted October 09, 2008 12:14 PM         

it's ok...thanks for the kind words.

amowls,
exactly. there is a lot of racism in USA. Obama already had racist death threats against him,and that's the reason why he has Secret Service protection early in the presidential race. Other candidates of color also had secret service protection early because of death threats. It's mindboggling that many people are denial of racism. Some people have already said that they won't vote for him because he's black. Some even said that they won't vote for him because he's Muslim. I have seen a great increase of racism on the internet that includes racial slurs and belief in racial stereotypes. It's very disturbing. There is a lot of racial paranoia against Obama too. There are accusations of him being a terrorist too. All you have to do is go on white supremacist websites like Stormfront and see all the racism there, but it's on mainstream internet too like yahoo answers. It's pathetic. There have already been race-based assassination plots that have been foiled. Also..even Klu Klux Klan Grand Wizard predicted Obama would be shot dead by somebody from the south shortly after being elected president if he's elected. You already have people shouting in Sarah Palin's rally "kill him". There was racial epithet used against a black man at the rally too,and was told "sit down,boy". There is some obvious racism. I am afraid that the closer we get to election day, the more Obama is in danger of being killed by a racist,jingoistic person.

In the beginning,all I cared about was a liberal president being elected in the white house. Both Hillary and Obama weren't liberal enough for me because both don't support gay marriage. I was neutral in regards to the Democratic nomination race...especially with my exgirlfriend rooting for Hillary Clinton,I was afraid to choose sides. When it narrowed down to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, I was even nervous because Barack Obama is Black/White male like me and Hillary Clinton is a white woman like my exgirlfriend. I felt like the presidential nomination race was reflecting her and me in some way, and there seemed some racial tension between her and me. Therefore, I did my best to stay neutral and even support my exgirlfriend in her desire for Hillary being president.
When I started to consider who I wanted for president, the racial tension between us became overt. I felt uncomfortable and started worrying about our relationship ending. I didn't become passionate about Obama's presidency until after the self righteous indignation against Rev. Wright and the idealistic,inspirational speech that Obama made about race relations in our country which resonated with my own idealism and inspiration in how I wrote poetry about Unity and Universal Love and the need for us to get along and treat each other like brothers and sisters. I felt uneasy with her when she had selfrighteous views about Wright and Obama. I disagreed with her. She grew up in New Hampshire where the black population is less than 2 percent. I grew up with much diversity my entire life. I didn't feel that she understood racism,especially not being around it like I have. She's not racist at all,and she's a liberal Democrat like me. She is also a feminist which I have no problem with. I am a feminist too. I believe in equality of the genders. It bothered me when she threw into my face about how women got the vote before black men and that many people didn't know that. She didn't understand the history of disenfranchisment that led to the passing of Civil Rights Voting Act in 1965. I sent her some things about racism in this country including numerous articles about modern racial discrimination,disparities,as well as reports,surveys that confirm that racism is a problem. She and I broke up shortly after that too. I still love her very much,and I want a reconciliation with her and want to marry her. Before the breakup, I had warned her about the challenges of an interracial couple. I told her that it wouldn't be easy being with me,and that she could be given a hard time like some white women get called "n'word lover" and that future children would be given a hard time. These are the challenges that my mother and stepfather went through as married couple and I went through as a mixed person. I never knew my father,but I believe that he and my mom had significant challenges too...he was much darker than my stepfather. My stepfather was a mixed man. I believe that these challenges made me culturally sensitive,understanding,and tolerant. I believe that I can do well in an interracial relationship with the woman that I love. I would raise future children to be tolerant and accepting of diversity like I was conditioned to be. I would raise them to accept all their heritages and not be ashamed of them, but also that they are no better than anybody else just like nobody is better than them. That's how I approach life.

I have been wondering how many interracial relationships have been affected by the presidential race. I hate racial divides. I got worried about racial divides during the OJ Simpson murder trial,and how it would impact the view of interracial relationships. Some whites would refer to a black man talking to a white woman "Uh Oh...he's about to pull an OJ" btw..I thought OJ was guilty,and should have been punished. I am glad that he's finally going to get what he deserves.

I wasn't a supporter of Obama until middle of February,and that's because I thought he was more liberal than Hillary and wanted to repeal the whole Marriage Act,but Hillary wanted to only repeal part of the whole Marriage Act. That was in regards to gay marriage. I believe that gay marriage should be a civil right for all homosexuals both male and female even though I am heterosexual. I also get peeved with some blacks that are against gay marriage and discriminate against gays. I feel that they should be able to relate with gays in that they are minorities that had their civil rights denied. They do tend to be conservative in regards to culture and social things. I am very liberal when it comes to those things, and I feel it strongly stems from my multiethnic,multicultural heritage being born in San Francisco,CA and growing up in Sacramento,CA as well as stationed in San Francisco Bay area when I was in the US Navy.
I have argued with blacks in regards to refusing the embrace the one drop rule and acknowledging multiethnic heritage. I have argued with blacks about interracial relationships with white women shouldn't be something that should be looked down upon. To be bluntly honest,it's been mostly black males that mistake me for being gay and give me a hard time. That's because I don't fit traditional male stereotypes. I have often been accused of talking and sounding "white". I had a lot of speech therapy in special education for my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia,and so I speak very proper English. I don't fit any black stereotypes. My white mother told me that she thinks that many blacks have given me a hard time because I am mixed. I do feel that many whites do view me as more approachable because I don't act nor talk "black",lighter skin tone and because of my mixed heritage. My mom believes that's the same with Barack Obama. I actually believe that his white half and his being raised by his white mother and white grand parents gives him much affinity with whites,and so many whites feel like they can identify with him and vote for him. Many blacks accused him of not being black enough at first too,and I find that ridiculous. Some people think that I look Hispanic. Most white females that I dated thought I was Hispanic until I told them my background. Most Hispanics think that I am Hispanic. My mother raised me to be a gentleman,and so I was opening doors for the elderly and the opposite sex by the time I was 11. It became second nature when I hit my teens. I grew up reading about King Arthur and the Knights of The Round Table,and so I believe in chivalry. I feel that I am culturally black,white but I lean more towards white...especially with my music tastes. Most of my life, I have always wanted to travel to Europe..especially the United Kingdom. I am a big time Anglophile. I even watched the royal wedding of Diana and Charles.

there is a lot of racial double standards...........especially flag pin. Obama has been given crap for not wearing a flag pin, but where was McCain's flagpin during the presidential debates??? What about the other white politicans that didn't wear flag pins including Hillary Clinton. Don't get me started on other things.

The presidential race definitely got me to confront my own racial identity just like Obama seems to been scrutinized in regards to his own racial identity

during the presidential race, transiting Saturn in Virgo in my 9th has been in grand cross transit to my Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd. I believe that indicates not only my confronting my racial identity but also the racial tension between my exgirlfriend and me. In the end, I still embrace and acknowledge all my heritages,and so I refuse to embrace the one drop rule that a majority of Americans would try to pin me as being black and disregard all my other heritages. I stand more firmly in my multiethnic identity,and I hope for a lot better race relations here in USA even if Obama is not elected.

Even on Election Day, race relations matters seem to be in high focus in my life indicated by transiting Mars conjunct/parallel,transiting Neptune square my 9th house ruler Venus. Transiting Pluto in Sagittarius in my 4th squaring my Pluto in Libra in 1st and paralleling my Mercury-Venus parallel.Transiting Mars contraparalleling my Saturn in Gemini in 9th and paralleling my Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd. Even transiting Jupiter paralleling my IC in Sagittarius.

transiting Pluto is in the last degree of Sagittarius on Election Day, and to me that points to issues with dealing with transformation,power,paranoia in regards to racial,ethnic,cultural,religious matters.

Transiting Venus in Sagittarius on Election Day adds to that

there is also exact Saturn-Uranus opposition
which seems like old vs. new.......wanting things to stay the same vs. change.....conservatism vs. liberal
transiting Saturn sextiling my chart ruler Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd and transiting Uranus trining it.

with Sun in Cancer square Saturn,I believe that USA is too conservative to make a change. With retrograde Mercury in Cancer oppose Pluto, there can be suspicion and even paranoia of people that aren't traditional,patriotic.

posted October 09, 2008 12:54 PM         

No, positively no, you do not have to agree with me. But if you disagree and use inflammatory lying rhetoric to attack the character or person of others, then you're going to get what you term a "petty" response. I disagree that truthful responses even when inflammatory language is used are "petty". The truth is not petty.

I make no bones about using inflammatory language when describing the actions and speech of those who are engaged in the very same activity. I make no apologies for ridiculing and lampooning their icons and idols either. It's a deliberate decision to do so after seeing Bush dressed up in a Fuhrer suit or a Nazi uniform or dressed up as Satan or seeing Bush called a Nazi, a reptile, a murderer and other inflammatory posts attacking Bush and others on a personal level and not on policy decisions he/they make or have made.

Now, there's a repeat performance being conducted by some others here in regard to McCain and Sarah Palin...and not on GU but on the Astrology forum of all places at LindaLand.

Now Silver, if you want to see petty, cruise through these two threads posted here and pay attention to the personal nature of the attacks on McCain and Palin.

I'm not engaged in trying to shut anyone up; far from it. If members want to engage in political discourse here it's fine with me...so long as the same rules apply to everyone....and they can take the same medicine they're dishing out. However, I don't think this is the proper place for political comments/discussion but I'm not the posting police and it's not my decision to make.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019145.html

posted October 09, 2008 02:17 PM         

Which is why now, in places such as New Jersey, we're now allowing former convicts to vote. Guess who they're voting for? Obama.

And also same day voting registration and early voting. Let's see who happens to sneak in two votes.

And Palin might display hatred of Obama, but at least she has the cajones to do so. How much negative attention has been sent her way, on behalf of the Obama camp? They care more about her than McCain. Don't tell me I'm imagining that. I never get emails from conservatives telling me the facts about Obama; it's always the liberals sending me every rumor.

Fact is, Obama has been keeping in touch with Ayers, up till 2005, according to him. Four years after Ayers said he wished he had done a better job at bombing the Pentagon. He's also associated with two other terrorists. How do we just brush that off and convince ourselves that Obama ***** gold?

Why, because Palin hunts? Where do we get our hamburgers from? Hitmen. I guess that's ok. Because her daughter is preggers? Because Palin should hire a security guard to watch her daughter at all times? Otherwise, she obviously just held her daughter's legs open and it's all her fault.
Because McCain is McSame? Well, nobody knows if he is or isn't. The conservatives think McCain is too liberal. I voted against Bush twice and I still know I'd rather have McCain over Obama. Everyone wants to go by the logic of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." That's not always true. Quite often, the enemy of your enemy is an even worse enemy. Obama could very well turn out to be worse than Bush. Just because he looks nice and sounds nice doesn't mean he's great.

And if Jwhop is trying to shut anyone up, it obviously isn't working. Glaucus is filling up the thread with a lot of tl;dr. Are you a Sag?

And, I have an unaspected Eris in my 3rd house, which is Aries.

posted October 09, 2008 02:30 PM         

I have Sun in Scorpio in 2nd house, and I have Mercury conjunct/parallel Venus in Scorpio in 3rd house.

I do have Jupiter conjunct Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd house,and that conjuncts my Imum Coeli in Sagittarius.

I also have Moon in Pisces conjunct Mars in Aquarius in 6th. I have Virgo Ascendant, and so Mercury is my chart ruler.

I would rather have an Obama administration because I am a liberal democrat,and I want a democrat in office. I don't want 4 more years of Bush policies which I believe that we will be getting with McCain. I don't like the rightwing control of the White House. I want the War in Iraq ended and Ossama bin Laden captured. I want our country to have affordable health care. I want our economy improved. I want a president who is highly diplomatic and well-liked around the world,and that is not a warmongerer that would get us into other wars. I want our country to have affordable education. I want a president who is highly educated,cool,calm,and collected and is not some hotheaded,and erratic person.

btw...my thread was nothing about Sarah Palin having hatred. That had nothing to do with that. It had to do with the hatred at the rally period that included "Kill him" and one black man being called a racial epithet and being told "sit down,boy" as well as the accusations of being connected to terrorism as well as even being accused of being traitor. This fits right in with Eris,and so I posted. I also believe that it's very dangerous for Palin to be appealing to racists,and there are lot of racists out there. There are racists that don't want a half black man to be president,and some would even kill him. He has already received racist death threats. There are some crazy religious fanatics who believe Obama is the anti-christ just because they think that he is muslim.

a lot of people including me have problems with Palin because of her extreme right wing views when it comes to abortion,gay rights,Jews as well as the environment. She even said that the War in Iraq is a mission from God,and there is a video that shows her saying that in her longtime church in Wasilla which is a highly conservative city with very little diversity. She also supported the Alaska Independence Party. Her husband was a member. She is even under investigation in regards to ethic issues. Many of us believe that she's a female version of President Bush,...heck..she even pronounces nuclear "nucular" like him!

I could care less about her being a mom with 5 children including a down syndrome child. I have no problem with that. With my history of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD,I have a very special caring for special needs children. I wouldn't mind having special needs children of my own. My mom did her best to take care of me when I was a child with special needs. I commend Sarah Palin for choosing to have her down syndrome child. Some people point out the hypocrisy that her daughter got pregnant even though she's against birth control. She doesn't reflect good family values that she constantly espouses. It's the parents' responsibility. If it was Obama,I am sure that he would get a lot of criticism about his parenting skills by Republicans..especially conservatives and racists.

btw...I hope that you not insinuating that every convict would vote for Obama...especially if they are black.
Most blacks are traditionally democrat any way. Also...since they had the right to vote,many blacks have always voted for white men because that's all they had. There were no other black candidates except for Shirley Chisholm,Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton,Barack Obama,and Cynthia McKinnon. Blacks weren't voting overwhelmingly for Obama until Bill Clinton compared Obama winning South Carolina as Jesse Jackson winning it,marginalizing Obama as a black candidate. Many blacks thought their votes were taken for granted. The thing is that their votes have always been taken for granted,and many of those voters were prevented from voting too. I would not dare sit here and slam blacks exercising their right to vote for a democrat that happens to be half black...especially when they had no choice but to vote for white male since the time they were allowed to vote. Back in the old days,many of them were prevented from voting through lynchings and terrorizing by Klu Klux Klan as well as forced to take tests. That's why there was the Civil Rights Voting Act passed in 1965.

furthermore,

not everybody that supports Obama believe that he craps gold either nor that he's perfect and wonderful. I definitely don't. I know that a lot of his supporters don't.
No politician is perfect.....no person is perfect. I do believe that Obama is the better choice for president just like you believe that McCain is the better choice for president.

Like I said before, USA has a problem with self righteous hypocrisy that results in bigotry in many ways...not just racism, but sexism,homophobia,xenophobia,classism,religious bigotry,mentally ill,and even neurodivergent bigotry.

A lot of Christians act like their crap doesn't stink and that their religion is the best religion even though it has more divisions than any other religion. Many act like every other religion is bad. Many of them would negatively judge us for practicing Astrology and other metaphysical subjects, accusing us of working with Satanic stuff. I have dealt with that before. There is definitely a lot of prejudice when it comes to Muslims. Not all Muslims are terrorists. and for that matter,not all Arabs are terrorists. There are also rumors going around that not only is Barack is Muslim, but he is also nearly half Arab on his father's side even though there have been pictures of his father showing that he was clearly a Black African dark as Bernie Mac. There have been many smear emails about Obama in general including especially that he is a black muslim terrorist.

Many Christians don't practice what Jesus preached

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

"Turn the other cheek"

"Judge not lest ye be judged"

"Love thy enemy"

I think that we should agree to disagree. We have different views and opinions from one another just like everybody on the planet have different views and opinions from one another. That's why we have so many religions on this planet.

There is nothing wrong with that.

The problem is when people think that their opinions and views are right and others' are wrong. That's what leads to bigotry,hate,wars of all kinds.

posted October 09, 2008 03:13 PM         

She calls Obama unpatriotic (and alludes to him being a terrorist), when making speeches at secessionist group meetings is pretty freaking unpatriotic. She's a hypocrite.

Also, Obama was my second choice. I wanted it to be Clinton 08.

posted October 09, 2008 03:48 PM         

And I honestly could care less about Christians want. I'm not one. Before Bush went into office the first time, he said that he didn't believe Wicca was a legitimate religion. Now Wiccan soldiers can have pentacles on their tombstones. He might not like it, but as long as he's an American, he's going to have to tolerate it. He also doesn't believe in gay marriage, but gay marriage is happening and will continue to happen. Unless all of Congress and the President are Republican, it will happen. Right now, that's not the case. I don't consider my desires for religious rights or your desire for gay rights to be primary issues. Right now, oil, war and the economy are the biggest issues. If we don't have a safe country and we can't afford to live, enjoying the right to tell everyone you're a gay married couple or enjoying Pagan pride is not going to really matter. Dead people are dead people. Homeless people are homeless people. Black/white, doesn't matter.

You do know the KKK was started by Democrats, right?

And you forgot Alan Keyes, who is actually running on the Independent Party right now. He's run for President under the Republican ticket twice, but he's not a Democrat, so he's obviously an Uncle Tom.

"All you have to do is go on white supremacist websites like Stormfront and see all the racism there, but it's on mainstream internet too like yahoo answers. It's pathetic."

posted October 09, 2008 04:08 PM         

Those political parties were re-aligned
since the passing of the Civil Rights bills signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson who wanted to carry on John F. Kennedy's work on civil rights.

That's why a vast majority of blacks are democratic

in regards to Alan Keyes being an uncle Tom, I never said that. Please don't try to assume my thoughts and opinions about things like that. That can be seen as being very presumptuous and even arrogant.

I believe the economy is the number 1 issue, but I don't believe religious rights,gay rights nor women's rights should be on the back burner behind the war and oil. I definitely don't want McCain to appoint conservative judges that will lead to prochoice being taken away.
BTW...I desire religious rights for our people too and not just gay rights for our people. I desire women's rights to be increased and their rights protected. I desire more rights for neurodivergent people....too many people are diagnosed ADHD or bipolar and put on medication because they don't fit in society's box. That includes especially children. That's bullcrap. Don't let me get started on mental health human rights.

posted October 09, 2008 05:11 PM         

There are 12 active criminal investigations of ACORN in different states, the group joined at the hip with Barack O'Bomber. O'Bomber gave this group more than $800,000 in a get out the vote scheme but misidentified the purpose of the money on his election expenditure funding report submitted to the FEC.

It's estimated there are more than 1.5 million unqualified persons registered to vote by ACORN and it's sister organizations in the United States.

O'Bomber trained ACORN personnel in Chicago and ACORN, supposedly a non partisan group..according to their tax exempt filing status...sends activists to agitate in the streets, disrupt meetings, threaten, harass and intimidate those who disagree with them or with O'Bomber. ACORN, the supposedly non partisan organization has endorsed O'Bomber for President.

amowls, I agree the Marxist terrorist bomber Bill Ayers is excrement and to avoid a charge of sexism, so is his wife, also a Marxist terrorist bomber.

Ayers and his wife are relevant in this election. O'Bomber doesn't just know them...as he says...as someone living in his neighborhood. O'Bomber also says "Ayers is pretty mainstream". Huh, Duh...oh well, perhaps Ayers and his bomber wife are pretty mainstream...if you're talking about a neighborhood of al-Qaeda terrorist bombers.

O'Bomber went much further with Ayers and his wife than simply knowing them. O'Bomber formed an alliance with Ayers and with Ayers radical Marxist buddies to whom O'Bomber dispensed grants from both the Woods Foundation when O'Bomber sat on the Board with Ayers...as well as at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge where Ayers installed O'Bomber to head the group after receiving a grant from Annenberg. They managed to blow through about 150 million dollars attempting to radicalize the Chicago Public School System. Nothing so mundane as teaching those kids reading, writing, math, science and history. Nope, the idea was to turn those kids into street protesters and agitators...like O'Bomber and his merry little band at ACORN.

It's all going to hit the fan and it's going to do so before the election. The news media are not going to be able to shield O'Bomber from his alliances and radicalism.

Something else that's going to hit the fan before the election is who exactly caused the meltdown in the financial sector and O'Bomber's fingerprints are all over that mess too...as well as demoscats in the Congress and advisers to....O'Bomber.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/30613864.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud

posted October 09, 2008 10:13 PM         

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a lot of people including me have problems with Palin because of her extreme right wing views when it comes to abortion,gay rights, Jews as well as the environment.

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posted October 10, 2008 03:48 AM         

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You do know the KKK was started by Democrats, right?

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