posted November 21, 2008 02:41 PM         

As you're learning this might muddy the waters, save it for another day if this is the case:
http://www.positiveastrology.com/Articles/article-001.asp

posted November 21, 2008 04:31 PM         

moon-uranus midpoint
neptune-pluto midpoint
sun-saturn midpoint

posted November 21, 2008 04:40 PM         

yes...that's possible

btw...Neptune/Pluto midpoint is known in Cosmobiology as supernatural midpoint.

my Mercury/Uranus midpoint is conjunct my Neptune/Pluto midpoint, and my ex's Moon conjunct that all within half a degree. her Moon conjunct my Neptune/Pluto midpoint with 4 minutes of arc, and that's because I have Neptune sextile Pluto,and her Moon semisextile both for a 12th harmonic triangle.

posted November 21, 2008 05:11 PM         

haha maybe i'm just too tired, but what does that mean?

look what i found about the neptune-pluto midpoint! interesting! http://www.noeltyl.com/techniques/020429.html

posted November 21, 2008 05:18 PM         

a midpoint is a sensitive point,and so a point hits it,the energies of that sensitive point are brought into consciousness,manifestation.

aspect configurations like t-squares,grand trines,minor grand trines with tight orbs have corresponding midpoint pictures. I even discovered golden section triangles(3 point configurations all in golden section aspect to each other) and that they have corresponding midpoint pictures. My Sun,Mars,and Pluto are in golden section triangle(all aspects within 1 degree),and has a corresponding midpoint picture of Pluto square Sun/Mars with 14 minutes of arc.

example of t-square with correlating midpoint picture.

example
My Moon is in 3'10 Pisces
square the opposition of
My Saturn in 5'08 Gemini and
My Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

my Saturn/Neptune midpoint is in 3'28 Virgo,and my Moon opposes that midpoint

as you see, it's due to my Moon closely aspecting my Saturn-Neptune opposition which is less than 4 degree orb.

that's one of the reasons that geometrically oriented astrologers like cosmobiologists,uranian astrologers,and even the Magi Astrologers use much tighter orbs than traditional astrologers that tend to be less geometrically oriented.

midpoints aspecting midpoints can be important too. They are referred to as isosceles trapezoids. they work like a 4 planetary combination.

I have Mercury/Uranus midpoint conjunct Neptune/Pluto midpoint. That's an isosceles trapezoid. It works like a planetary combo of Mercury,Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto.

posted November 21, 2008 05:31 PM         

His is also opposing my venus and mine is opposing his NN.
My venus/mars is trine his venus.
my moon/venus conjunct his NN.
my venus/neptune is conjunct his sun.

posted November 21, 2008 05:36 PM         

In Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology,the Midheaven is considered the most important point. Of course,the Ascendant is very important in regular astrology.

if he has any personal midpoints or points that aspect his Neptune/Pluto midpoint, then that makes the Neptune/Pluto midpoint aspecting your chart more meaningful due to the personal interaction interaction with personal midpoints of points.

like for example

my exgirlfriend's Moon conjunct my Neptune/Pluto midpoint,...that would be generational

posted November 23, 2008 04:34 AM         

would you really use the combination of two midpoints (like her Venus-Pluto-midpoint semisquare his Venus-Mars-midpoint), if there is NO aspect to a single planet, like it was in your case?

Personally I don`t think midpoints aspecting midpoints are really effective, unless a planet triggers them. What is your take on that?

BM,

I definitely agree. Progressed synastry explains a lot in synastry.
Example:
I had the most beautiful romantic aspects with someone. It even fit to our natals. But our progressed synastry didn`t provide too much glue or attraction potential. There was some electrifying aspect (Venus trine Uranus), but that was it.
And the relationship never happened.

posted November 23, 2008 05:39 AM         

would you really use the combination of two midpoints (like her Venus-Pluto-midpoint semisquare his Venus-Mars-midpoint), if there is NO aspect to a single planet, like it was in your case? "
I am not sure what you mean by that. In my case, my Sun oppose her Venus/Mars midpoint and square her Venus/Pluto midpoint
so my Sun = her Venus/Mars = Venus/Pluto
which is a valid configuration in Cosmobiology when using the Cosmogram which is used to do midpoint synastry.
I was saying in my first thread that there were no Venus-Mars nor Venus-Pluto aspects, but the sexual attraction was very strong between us without a doubt. It was amazing. It didn't reflect in the regular synastry. I don't buy the 8th house synastry placements either. I am kinda wary about the use of houses in Astrology,and that's why I am leaning towards more geometrical based systems like Cosmobiology which I prefer for Medical Astrology. I don't really believe in outer planet synastry...I think it's about a person having a personal point/outer planet point midpoint aspecting a person's chart......for example...like her MC square my Pluto/Asc midpoint.

In the other post....I was referring about outer planet midpoints to a person's chart, and I was saying how those are generational...........I used my exgf's Moon conjunct my Neptune/Pluto midpoint as an example of a conjunction to a generational midpoint............but also I pointed out that my Mercury/Uranus midpoint is conjunct my Neptune/Pluto midpoint within 30 minutes of arc, and so her Moon is conjunct my Mercury/Uranus midpoint...so her Moon conjunct my Neptune/Pluto midpoint is not generational with my Mercury/Uranus midpoint conjunct it. That's why I said that a point(like her Moon) conjunct an outerplanet midpoint(my Neptune/Pluto) is generational unless it aspects a midpoint that involves a personal point like in my case, Mercury of the Mercury/Uranus midpoint.
Interestingly, My Moon parallels her Mercury/Uranus midpoint and Neptune/Pluto midpoint.............so there is a Moon=Mercury/Uranus=Neptune/Pluto double whammy in the synastry. There is also Sun=Venus/Mars double whammy in the synastry too. Her Sun squares my Venus/Mars midpoint.
My Mars conjuncts her Venus/Uranus midpoint,and her Mars opposes my Venus/Pluto midpoint, and so those could indicate sexual attraction in Cosmobiology.

other indicators for the strong sexual attraction could be:
my Geocentric South Mars Node oppose her Venus with 29 minutes of arc, and her Geocentric South Venus Node conjunct my Mars with 20 minutes of arc

"Personally I don`t think midpoints aspecting midpoints are really effective, unless a planet triggers them. What is your take on that?"
I am not sure...it really depends....some astrologers believe they are effective,and refer to them as planetary pictures. The Uranian Astrologers refer to them as planetary pictures. Magi Astrologers refer to them as magi quads. David Cochrane refers to them as Isosceles Trapezoids,but he was referring to midpoint conjunctions(that includes both near and far midpoints) within 1 degree,but more focus on them when within 30 minutes of arc. I don't focus on them myself whether synastry,natal,transit,etc.

The isosceles trapezoid is an elegant concept that integrates many seemingly disparate astrological concepts, such as midpoints, antiscia and solstice points, Jonas birth control, Vedic tithi returns, the traditional aspect patterns of grand trines, grand crosses, mystic rectangles, and yods, and even the very popular composite chart that was introduced in the 20th century. The isosceles trapezoid was identified by the founder of the Hamburg school of astrology Alfred Witte. Witte referred to isosceles trapezoids as planetary pictures. Rather than find the fourth point that makes an isosceles trapezoid (an Arabic Part), Witte interpreted isosceles trapezoids that occur in the chart. He did not, to my knowledge, emphasize the geometric shape or the fact that planetary pictures and Arabic Parts are mathematically identical; he was more intrigued by the symmetry that planetary pictures have. Symmetry is always created when there is planetary resonance, so Witte is correct; whether one prefers to focus on the symmetry or the resonance, one is actually identifying the same phenomenon. Planetary resonance is based on wave theory, which allows an even wider number of astrological influences to be integrated into a single conceptual framework.

A large number of astrological techniques are either comprised of isosceles trapezoids, or can be viewed as derivatives of isosceles trapezoids. A full discussion of the relationships of these astrological techniques to isosceles trapezoids and to each other requires hundreds of pages, but hopefully this very terse introduction to some new vistas in astrological thought has been informative, interesting and inspiring to the reader.

An isosceles trapezoid mathematically is simply a midpoint conjunct or opposition a midpoint, and a list of midpoints conjunct and opposition midpoints is a good way to view them. My observations indicate that an orb of only about 1/2 degree is used for aspects to Arabic Parts and for midpoints conjunct midpoints, so I look at them up to about a 1 degree orb but pay close attention to only those configurations that are within about 30 minutes orb. http://www.astrosoftware.com/ArabicParts.htm

Magi Society act like they are the ones that discovered isosceles trapezoids and refer to them as Magi Quads. Those are covered in its 2nd book which I never had. I first learned about them from a guy who is into Magi Astrology back in 2000.
The orbs they use are too wide too. They use 2 degree orbs.

I have definitely been rethinking,re-examining,and reconsidering things in Astrology. I want a more 21st Century type of Astrology that adapts to the latest discoveries by Astronomers as well as focus more on planetary geometry. The golden section aspects are very interesting..especially when discovering that there are golden section aspect triangles and that they have have corresponding midpoint pictures like my Sun,Mars,Pluto golden section triangle is Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint. I am definitely into the planetary nodes. I am going to pay more attention to midpoints in solar arcs,secondary progressions,and transits. I understand that solar arcs and secondary progressions are timing measurements for events, and that when a transit activates them,then an event could happen. The event in synchronicity with the transit activation of the secondary progression or solar arc. I did a post on my relationship breakup. There was a lot of interesting stuff. I am definitely a believer in midpoints.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/020174.html

posted November 23, 2008 06:40 AM         

Ex:
Venus on 6° Capricorn opposing Venus-Pluto - midpoint on 6° Cancer - that is a very clear midpoint picture to me, especially since (Venus is on 4° Taurus and Pluto on 8° Virgo).

But:
if person A has Venus-Pluto-mp on 22° Scorpio, and person B has Venus-Mars-mp on 22° Scorpio, but if there are NO planets aspecting 22° Scorpio

(so no plants on 22° Scorpio, Taurus, Aquarius, Leo, or een 7° Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn), then I never really interpreted it as a midpoint picture. Have I been doing it wrong all the time?

Well, regarding astrology, my personal take on this is to research what things work and which things don`t.
I wouldn`t dismiss the traditional astrology (at least some of it), but I also want to stay open towards new concepts.
If a theory seems to work consistently, I will use it.

EDIT:
I think midpoints are definitely very interesting to look at. But we would have to keep the orbs tight as you suggested. Or else we would find an aspect for anything.

posted November 23, 2008 03:18 PM         

Tr Sun semisquare Moon / Pluto -10

Tr Mercury square Mercury / Jupiter - 08
TR Mercury semisquare Mercury / Neptune - 30
Tr Mercury semisquare Mercury / NN - 24
TR Mercury semisquare Sun / Neptune - 04
Tr Jupiter conjunct Mercury / Neptune - 09
Tr Jupiter conjunct Mercury / NN - 03
tr Jupiter conjunct Sun / Neptune - 17
Tr Jupiter conjunct Sun / NN - 24
Tr Jupiter semisquare Mercury / Jupiter - 29

Tr Venus square Moon / MC - 27
TR Venus opposite Jupiter - 26
Tr Venus semisquare Moon / Venus - 02
- so basically it means that the Tr Venus was triggering my natal picture of
Jupiter = Moon / MC = Moon/ Venus

Tr Mars square Pluto - 27

TR Saturn square Mars - 25

TR Saturn semisquare Uranus / Pluto - 22

TR Saturn sesisquare Moon / Mercury - 30

Tr Uranus square Mercury / Mars - 07

TR Uranus square Sun / Mars - 19

Tr Neptune square Uranus / ASC - 05

Tr Pluto square Saturn / ASC - 11
(TR Pluto conjunct Sun - 52)

TR NN square Mars / ASC - 21
Tr NN sesisquare Moon / Mercury - 20

But how do I interprete those transits now?

posted November 23, 2008 10:46 PM         

i know your Q wasnt to me, but a while back i e-mailed a question to Luc De Jaeger @ CosmiTec about mp conjunctions and this was the reply..

quote:

---

"Thank you for your question regarding the Sun-Moon midpoint and the Venus-Mars midpoint.

As such, this combo is a very significant one in synastry as it denotes sexual attraction. However, this midpoint or aspect alone does not make a good relationship. it can be offset when Saturn is part of the midpoint structure for example.

So, while this midpoint, isolated, is a good one, in a chart comparison, it's still just one single configuration."

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posted November 23, 2008 11:13 PM         

Hi Arnicka,

It's very common for the geocentric nodes not be in direct opposite each other. The more distant and slower moving the object, the more they become opposite each other, and the more they come convergent with the heliocentric nodes

for instance...Eris is very distant object
when I was born
the Geocentric Eris North Eris Node was in 5'30 Taurus and South Node was in 5'29 Scorpio
Heliocentric Nodes were in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio

so they are pretty much convergent with each other

all heliocentric nodes are exactly opposite each other, and all of them move far slower than outer planets. so they relate more to the collective

the geocentric nodes of Mercury,Venus,and Mars,and the main belt asteroids move considerably fast. Jupiter and beyond, the nodes of the objects are very slow. they are like collective energies

so only the geocentric nodes of Mercury,Venus,and mainbelt asteroids can be used in synastry because they are fast moving,and so they can be more personal connections.

My South Venus Node is in Scorpio conjunct my Venus in Scorpio within 1 degree.

posted November 24, 2008 01:52 AM         

Here are The Intepretations are from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook of Planetary Pictures.

The interpretations include both negative and positive interpretations of both psychological nature and having to do with events.........please keep in mind that these are possibilities that fit in with the planetary symbolisms. Therefore,not all of them will apply to you.

Tr Sun semisquare Moon / Pluto -10
SU.MO.PL.
+ experiences continual renewal in relationships. skilled at converting and transforming. capable at developing. adapts. spontaneous. able to deal with change and variety. likes an unregulated schedule. people-oriented. fluctuates or alternates. prone to change. Journalist.
Mutual transformation. Development of both partners. Change due to the other half. Daily rhythm of the hours. Fluctuating daily routine. Years of development for the wife or among the public. Years of change. Glandular activity. Circulation of the body fluids.
- not always trustworthy. [sometimes emotionally abusive.]
Vacillation in relationships.

Tr Mercury square Mercury / Jupiter - 08
ME.JU.*
+ capable of accurate thinking. intelligent. optimistic. positive. lively. cheerful. happy. lucky. content. hopeful. friendly. affable. candid. eloquent. realistic. rational. circumspect. comprehensive; sees the overview. reliable. experienced at handling money. has business acumen. fair. commercially oriented.
Thoughts of good luck. Beneficial idea. Positive thinking. Optimistic communication. Notification of success. Good news. Gains due to communication. Favorable discussion. Commercial success. Business negotiation.
- cunning. overly materialistic.

TR Mercury semisquare Mercury / Neptune - 30
ME.NE.*
+ intuitive. highly perceptive. thinks in the abstract. has an active imagination. skilled at empathizing. has reliable hunches. future-oriented. interested in metaphysical factors. highly imaginative. daydreams. imitative.
Secret thoughts. Obscure conversation. Private communications. Discussion of the unknown. Intuitively-aided communication. Opinions about the future. Thoughts of the immaterial. Motion in the water or air. Acting ability.
- self-deceiving. deluded. deceptive. unreliable. absent-minded. forgetful. prone to misjudge.
Unclear ideas. Deceit in a discussion. Disillusionment due to a conversation. Uncertainty or unreliability in connection with communications. Confusion. To be resigned to fate.

Tr Mercury semisquare Mercury / NN - 24
NO.ME.*
+ enjoys social contact. people-oriented. entertaining. perceptive. agile. youthful. nimble. stays busy. has business acumen.
Thinking about an association. Discussion of contacts. Entertaining relationship. Exchange of ideas. Special interest group. Joint planning. Meeting of orators.
- restless. unstable. nervous.

TR Mercury semisquare Sun / Neptune - 04
SU.ME.NE.
+ intuitive. has a lively and impressionistic mind. sensitive. sentimental. interested in metaphysical factors. inspired. quick to figure things out. highly imaginative. inquisitive. capable at abstract thinking. daydreams. future-oriented.
Discussion/s of a reclusive or secretive man. Communication about a man's uncertainty or instability. Discussion of physical vulnerabilities.
- easily impressed. deluded. indecisive. easily swayed. unrealistic. doesn't think clearly. absent-minded. confused. prone to lie. lacking in self-reliance.
Unclear ideas of man. Deceiving conversation with the husband. Deceit in younger years. The unconsciousness of youth. Thoughts of physical weakness. Days of Untruth. Years of business losses.

Tr Jupiter conjunct Mercury / Neptune - 09
ME.JU.NE
+ inspired. highly sensitive. highly imaginative. idyllic. future-oriented. playful. has acting ability.
Secret thoughts of prosperity. Just or fair ideas about the future. To arouse hope. Ideas about easily earned money. Discussion of injustice. Irrigation business. Commerce involving photography, cinema, beverages, aquatics, or aerial phenomena.
- cunning. deluded. unrealistic. thoughtless with money. often judges unfairly. fawning. crafty. sly.
To surrender to an illusion of wealth. Talk about financial losses. Increasing deceit in communications. Business losses.

Tr Jupiter conjunct Mercury / NN - 03
NO.ME.JU.
+ intelligent. fluent. eloquent. thinks rationally. realistic. good at math. has business acumen. has fruitful ideas. candid. comprehensive; sees the overview. reliable. people-oriented. enjoys contact with others. friendly. affable. optimistic. satisfied. content. even-tempered. thinks clearly. positive in outlook. judges accurately. talented with languages.
To think of a beneficial association. Beneficial discussion about contacts. To
think of gains due to a relationship. Profits due to communications. Enjoyable conversation. Satisfaction over mutual communication. Business association. To think of profits due to an association. Legal communications.
- crafty. cunning. calculating. overly materialistic. philistine.

tr Jupiter conjunct Sun / Neptune - 17
SU.JU.NE.
+ intuitive. has reliable hunches. prophetic. empathic. sensitive. mediumistic. private; drawn to obscurities. transitory. worry-free. playful. daydreams. progressive. speculates. Fortune hunter. Successful Actor.
Secret happiness with the husband. To get money almost effortlessly. Future gains. Good luck through metaphysical factors. Days of easily earned money. Years of financial sacrifices.
- secretive. superficial. lax. unrealistic. irresponsible. wasteful. extravagant. deluded. loses money speculating. prone to gamble.
Illusory luck. Ambiguous financial circumstances. Uncertain success. Financial loss. Increasing physical weakness. Excess of body fluids. Years of financial losses.

Tr Jupiter conjunct Sun / NN - 24
SU.NO.JU.
+ enjoys contact with others. cheerful. happy. contented. positive in outlook. healthy. lucky. carefree. enjoys life. enthusiastic. open; candid. forthright. cooperative. ambitious. acquisitive. objective. fair.
Connection with a wealthy man. Beneficial relationship with a man. Profitable connections due to someone. Success due to association. Legal bonds of the husband. Justice within a group of people. Physical well-being with each other. Favorable days for contacts. Years of success in relationships. To be associated with wealth.
- irresponsible. pretentious. ostentatious. lax. crassly materialistic

Tr Jupiter semisquare Mercury / Jupiter - 29
ME.JU.*
+ capable of accurate thinking. intelligent. optimistic. positive. lively. cheerful. happy. lucky. content. hopeful. friendly. affable. candid. eloquent. realistic. rational. circumspect. comprehensive; sees the overview. reliable. experienced at handling money. has business acumen. fair. commercially oriented.
Thoughts of good luck. Beneficial idea. Positive thinking. Optimistic communication. Notification of success. Good news. Gains due to communication. Favorable discussion. Commercial success. Business negotiation.
- cunning. overly materialistic.

Tr Venus square Moon / MC - 27
MC.MO.VE.
+ emotive. enjoys socializing. pleasant. friendly. congenial. charming. attractive. sentimental. warm-hearted. gentle. affectionate. accommodating. sensual. humane. even-tempered. peaceable. people-oriented. capable at art.
The love of my wife. My affection for the wife. Preference for women. Balanced emotional disposition. To be surrounded by admirers. To experience satisfaction. Sympathy or popularity among the public. Artiste. Art and me.
- emotionally biased. self-indulgent.

TR Venus opposite Jupiter - 26
VE.JU.*
+ congenial. popular. charming. cordial. pleasant. tactful. clever. even-tempered. equitable. satisfied. seeks peace. kind. charitable. accommodating. epicurean. promising. fair. just. tasteful. appreciates beauty. artistically talented.
Good luck in love. Lover's bliss. Much sympathy. Legal rights in love. Enjoyment of or due to money. Feeling of good luck. Desire for winnings. Increasing justice. Successful healing. Success in art.
- overextends oneself to others.

Tr Venus semisquare Moon / Venus - 02
MO.VE.*
+ sentimental. even-tempered. friendly. peaceful. warm-hearted. kind. caring. concerned. accommodating. giving. affectionate. mellow. gentle. pleasant. sensual. smooth. longing. hopeful. epicurean. tasteful. attractive. elegant. gracious. charming. beauty-conscious. artistic.
Loving woman. Pretty girl. Love of the wife. Inner equilibrium. In harmony with oneself. Hour of joy. Beauty. Sympathy among the public. Artiste.
- emotionally biased. hedonistic. vain. narcissistic. has cravings.

- so basically it means that the Tr Venus was triggering my natal picture of
Jupiter = Moon / MC = Moon/ Venus

Tr Mars square Pluto - 27
MA.PL.*
+ active. enterprising. energetic. strong willed. good at classifying and arranging. able to carry on many jobs at once. proceeds according to plan. sees the overview. skilled at organizing. industrious. ambitious. knows how to adapt. and readjust. capable at development. able to deal with change and variety. athletic. spontaneous.
Developments in or of a job. Current work. New profession. Alteration in or of work. Increasing work. Developmental work. Increasing energies. Change in or of a job. To organize.
- not always trustworthy. ruthless. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]

TR Saturn square Mars - 25
MA.SA.*
+ focused. capable of concentration. conscientious. works systematically. proceeds methodically. persistent. disciplined. careful. cautious. pragmatic. stops at nothing.
Concentrated or focused work. Long-lasting activity. To work with problems. To effect a separation. Sporadic work. To complete an assignment. Physical labor. Hard work.
- overly conservative. stubborn. contrary. indecisive. works slowly. sluggish. unenergetic. fearful. gets anxious at times. stiff. obstinate. suicidal in some cases. disputatious. quarrelsome. gets angry.
Difficulties in the work. End of activities. Standstill of energies. Death. Rheumatic pain.

TR Saturn semisquare Uranus / Pluto - 22
SA.UR.PL.
+ slow but steady. [disciplined at handling technical developments.]
Enduring technical changes. To develop stimuli from the past. Transformation due to surprises out of the past. Sudden sober changes. [Breakthrough or sudden departure leading to transformation. Developments due to breaks with the past.]
- emotionally erratic. fluctuating. fickle. vacillating. unstable. contrary. hypertense. stressed. repressed; cramped. unreliable. divorce prone. easily distracted. lopsided; biased. lacking in adaptability. sluggish.
Current delays in reforms. Slow future development. Problems due to increasing tension. Upset over an eventual separation. Growing crisis. Increasing cramping or rigidity.

TR Saturn sesisquare Moon / Mercury - 30
MO.ME.SA.
+ deliberate. circumspect. solemn. focused. self-restrained. reserved. pragmatic. slow to comprehend but retains well. capable at memorizing. retrospective; interested in historical factors. enjoys travelling. serious.
Discussion of or with an older woman. Youthful older woman. Mature-acting youth. Serious communication with the wife or mother. To think of separation or departure. To travel. Discussion in the evening. Concern for public problems.
- distant. has difficulty expressing oneself. has speech impediments. apprehensive. touchy. easily offended. depressive.
Thoughts of a lonely woman. Problems in youth. The problems of youth. Restrictions in public speech. Difficulties with a vehicle.

Tr Uranus square Mercury / Mars - 07
ME.MA.UR
+ reacts quickly. resolute. courageous. speaks rapidly. quick-witted. original. has progressive ideas. excited. skilled with calculations, technology, or reforms. gifted with rhythm. Engineer.
Rapid assessment of a situation. Discussion of unexpected actions. To act unexpectedly on ideas. To put plans into action suddenly. Discussion of adventurous deeds. To effect ideas for reform. Discussion of technical work. To make a phone call. Computer.
- impulsive. abrupt. forceful. hectic. stressful. precipitate. rash. agitated. short-tempered. nervous. hysterical. disputatious. rebellious.
To contribute to tensions in discussion. Nervous outbreak. Business disaster. Communication about damages or injuries. Heated argument.
- Upsets over cunning deeds. Unconsciousness due to an accident.

TR Uranus square Sun / Mars - 19
SU.MA.UR.
+ energetic. works quickly. capricious. high-spirited. future-oriented. handy. technically gifted. reformist. innovative. progressive.
Sudden actions of a man. To proceed energetically. Unexpected assertion of energy. Surprising action. Spontaneous act. To get excited. Technical work. Days or years of exciting activities.
- impulsive. precipitate. rash. restless. fidgety. lacking in self-control. unpredictable. obstinate. prone to emotional outbursts. hot-tempered. ruthless. rebellious.
To get upset. To contribute to tensions. Assault. Accident. Physical tension in activities. Sharp pain. Days or years of damages.

Tr Neptune square Uranus / ASC - 05
AS.UR.NE.
+ intuitive. original. highly imaginative. sometimes reacts unconsciously. mediumistic. private. private; drawn to obscurities. esoteric. daydreams. future-oriented. able to make needed contacts. progressive. reformist.
Sudden privacy of or with the partner. Relaxation of tension with another. Hydroelectric energy. Electricity in the air. Metaphysical stimuli at the location. To deal with futuristic technology.
- original. secretive. contrary. unenergetic. easily tired. deluded. unstable. insecure. confused. entangled. tense and touchy. revolutionary.
Sudden confusion in a partnership. Surprising uncertainty in the environs. Baffling adventures with others. Sudden ambiguity in the environs. Suddenly disillusionment. To deal with unexpected losses or sacrifices. Tension-laden atmosphere.

Tr Pluto square Saturn / ASC - 11
AS.SA.PL.
+ persistent. tenacious. slow but steady. solitary. prone to isolation or departures. prone to develop only in specific areas.
Continual environmental readjustments. Continual development of the partner. Building of boundaries or limits. Eventual or gradual departure with or from others. Change of location after delays.
- stubborn. has difficulty developing contacts. lacking in adaptability. limited in developmental capacity. stagnant. acts too late. passive. inhibited. restricted. contrary.
Increasing difficulties due to others. Developmental blockage. To deal with disadvantages handicaps. Isolation. Change of location entailing difficulties. Problematic change of location.

(TR Pluto conjunct Sun - 52)
SU.PL.*
+ adaptable. spontaneous. skilled at developing. capable at transforming. changes things. likes variety.
Development of a person. Modern man. Change in connection with the husband. Readjustment with or due to the husband. To be in transition. Bodily changes. Growth. Physical development. Physical assimilation. Days full of changes. Years of readjustments.
- not always trustworthy. unstable. fickle. vacillating. [exploitive or abusive when unevolved.]

TR NN square Mars / ASC - 21
AS.NO.MA.
+ outgoing; eager for contact. strong-willed. drive to achieven energetic. decisive. goal-driven. practical. athletic. spontaneous. ready for action. people-oriented.
To initiate a connection with the partner. Our assignment. Cooperative work. To get work due to the relationship. Teamwork. To make contacts with others. Work as an agent or representative. Active group at the location.
- lacking in self-control. inconsiderate. disputatious.

Tr NN sesisquare Moon / Mercury - 20
MO.NO.ME.
+ capable of reasoning. discerning. highly aware. highly perceptive. nimble. enjoys contact with others. entertaining. agile. youthful. stays busy. gifted with language. has business acumen. fluctuates or alternates.
To think of the bond with the wife. Relationship with a youthful woman. Thoughts of emotional contacts. Discussion of a woman's relationship. Contact in youth. Youthful relationship. Public discussion of a relationship. Versatile emotional life. Hour of exchange of thoughts.
- impressionable. emotionally biased in thinking. subjective. restless. inconstant. nervous.

posted November 24, 2008 11:17 AM         

So I interprete them just as natal ones, only limited to a certain day? And it doesn`t matter if Transiting Sun aspects Moon / Pluto or Transit Pluto aspects Sun/Moon-midpoint? The interpretation is still the same?

posted November 24, 2008 11:47 AM         

You're welcome

they would be similar, but I would say that with an outer planet making the transit, the interpretations would be more dramatic,emphasized

my new signature:

Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology.

"It is absolutely the perfect name," Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

"She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong," Brown said. "It really is just perfect." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/09/15/MNGS8L67LJ1.DTL

Ideology,Diversity,Divergence,Equality,Sharing,Advocacy,Discord,Debating,Compromise,Agreeing to Disagree,Alternative Viewpoints, Seeing/or not seeing Eye to Eye.

Eris in Aries Retrograde in 8th oppose Uranus,trine Ceres,sextile Midheaven,sextile/trine Lunar Nodes,trine Jupiter,quincunx Ascendant,biquintile Mercury,parallel Pluto