posted November 21, 2008 03:17 PM         

also when saturn passed cancer in 2005 threw 2006 i was so depressed and starting to get into all those darker aspects of life.

posted November 21, 2008 03:30 PM         

how Saturn is aspected in your chart shows how discipline,structure,seriousness is affected by other aspects of your personality

for instance, my Saturn is oppose Jupiter-Neptune and square Moon..a t-square....so its affected by emotional nature,mother,nurturing,idealism,psychic sensitivity,expansion,optimism

yes...I have a history of depression. I have been diagnosed as having depression which at times can be magnified by feelings of divine discontent due to idealism being challenged by reality as well as being around other negative types who also could be depressed.

I would focus on the aspects to that Saturn in Cancer.

posted November 21, 2008 03:57 PM         

I was wondering if you have like any parallels,contraparallels involving your Saturn. They are aspects in the declinations

in my own chart
Saturn has contraparallel to Neptune(so Saturn-Neptune occultation),Mercury,and Venus.

posted November 21, 2008 03:58 PM         

My personal Saturn is opposing transit Pluto right now.

posted November 21, 2008 04:24 PM         

saturn square mercury

The square between Mercury and Saturn suggests mental restraint and strong ties to traditional ways of thinking. Mental processes are on the pessimistic side. You worry too much, often about unimportant details. You have much concern about succeeding or failing to succeed. Your education may have been rigidly disciplined and conforming to traditional doctrine. There is a tendency because of this, to uphold the established order and resist change.

Saturn square Pluto
Saturn square Pluto can indicate self-will and persistence to the point of ruthlessness. There is often exposure to some very difficult emotional experiences, and these may set up a defensive stance that makes the ability to forgive and forget hard to maintain. People with this aspect have the ability to perform difficult work and possess great commitment. Self-restraint can be almost obsessive at times and when motivated by a challenge, their drive and endurance is remarkable.

Saturn trine Venus
The trine between Venus and Saturn shows that you have good judgment about people, and you know who to turn to when you need help. Because of this understanding, you refrain from projecting yourself toward others unless you are sure of being welcomed. In a romantic sense you are very cautious. You evaluate the object of your affections in a reserved manner, assessing the adjustments you must make in the relationship. You are so self-sufficient that your emotions are always controlled (in some individuals this aspect creates the appearance of being cold). Good, sound business judgment is shown by this placement.

Saturn sextile Mars
A sextile is formed between Mars and Saturn showing most of your actions to be well directed and productive. This aspect is particularly helpful in the conduct of business activities. You display sound and practical common sense. You can be relied on to take charge and assume responsibility. You are willing to do so because your ambitions are very strong

posted November 21, 2008 04:32 PM         

Saturn conjunct Uranus/Node - '31
You might find yourself in difficulty when around your contacts or in a group. You might find that separation is easier to do than stay together.

Saturn square Jupiter/Node - '06
Making and sustaining good contacts and associations can be beset with difficulties that lead you towards spending more time on your own and in seclusion. Relationships and love unions can be problematic leading to separation. A spiritual life spent on retreats could be appealing and fulfilling.

Saturn semisquare Mercury/Neptune - '54
Your thinking leans towards pessimism and a serious outlook. Fanciful and imaginative ideas are usually inhibited and clamped down or unconsciously confused and muddled around.

In Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology

it would be written as Saturn = Uranus/Node = Jupiter/Node

with transiting Saturn = natal Saturn = Uranus/Node = Jupiter/Node, the issues reflected by the natal midpoint configurations would be enhanced which is in synchronicity with the Saturn transiting that midpoint planetary picture.

your Saturn parallel Neptune - '51
Saturn / Neptune
This point represents the abandonment of your duties for a lifestyle of abstinence and sobriety. The sign placement gives more information on what you sacrifice in your life as well as your general cautiousness, self-restraint and denial.

here is interpretation for Saturn/Neptune midpoint but it fits with Saturn-Neptune aspects,and so I post it. My Moon=Saturn/Neptune(t-square,midpoint configuration)

posted November 21, 2008 04:50 PM         

if Mercury is 5 degrees Scorpio
if Neptune is 7 degrees Scorpio

you add 5 and 7 degrees together
then you get 12 degrees. you divide by 2,and you get 6 degrees

so Mercury/Neptune midpoint is in 6 degrees Scorpio

if there is a planet that is in 5 to 7 degrees in the fixed signs in the zodiac,then it aspects the Mercury/Neptune midpoint

also semisquares,sesquiquadrates are used with midpoints too,but those are hard to see in the chart unless you use a 90 degree dial which is actually a 4th harmonic chart.

a point in aspect to midpoint acts like a 3 point combination.

a midpoint is a sensitive point,and so a point hits it,the energies of that sensitive point are brought into consciousness,manifestation.

aspect configurations like t-squares,grand trines,minor grand trines with tight orbs have corresponding midpoint pictures

example
My Moon is in 3'10 Pisces
square the opposition of
My Saturn in 5'08 Gemini and
My Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius

my Saturn/Neptune midpoint is in 3'28 Virgo,and my Moon opposes that midpoint

as you see, it's due to my Moon closely aspecting my Saturn-Neptune opposition which is less than 4 degree orb.

that's one of the reasons that geometrically oriented astrologers like cosmobiologists,uranian astrologers,and even the Magi Astrologers use much tighter orbs than traditional astrologers that tend to be less geometrically oriented.

midpoints aspecting midpoints can be important too. They are referred to as isosceles trapezoids. they work like a 4 planetary combination.

posted November 23, 2008 01:33 AM         

I'm a sunny rather than dark person, although I have some dark interests, and I've never suffered from clinical depression. BUT I think people with Saturn in Cancer are highly sensitive to suffering. It's not that they're prone to depression--it's that if they settle for a life full of things that they maybe want, instead of a life of things they definitely love and want, they'll freak out emotionally. The Saturn test of Saturn in Cancer is to say NO to EVERYTHING that makes you feel even a teeny tiny bit unhappy, drained, burdened--to say NO to all those things Cancer-influenced types can get passive-aggressive about. Cancer Saturns feel everything emotional like a mortal, physical blow, so they can tend to retreat or quiver beneath their tough shell.

The lesson for Cancer Saturn is that sensitive emotions are our strength, not our weakness. They make us empathetic, and they are the way we can tell whether we're on the right life path for maximum joy, or NOT. We feel little tiny things as if they're big huge things, like the fairy tale about the princess and the pea. (A friend of mine has an alternative version of that story where the princess is a great sage, and the pea represents human suffering. Some people can go about their day without noticing how tough things are in the world. Others, like me and Angelina, heh, cannot.)

My first Saturn return was awesome. I said NO to everything in my life that was a small irritant, instead of falling into the typical Cancer-Saturn trap of passive-aggressively enduring those things.

I think each Saturn placement shows us an area of this life where we feel Very Very Serious, like it's a Big Deal...even though for someone with a different Saturn placement, it wouldn't be. For a Cancer Saturn who hasn't learned to deal with it, expressing tender emotions and being emotionally vulnerable can be as scary as skydiving would be for most people.

Being passive-aggressive about emotions, and too scared to make bold changes (often for fear of hurting someone's feelings or letting someone down) is a leading cause of depression in Saturn Cancers. But if they just start saying No!! instead of Maybe to things that don't 100% fire them up and fill them with joy, they can be joyous, deep-feeling, very emotionally kind and giving people.

posted November 23, 2008 01:36 AM         

saturn in capricorn, end of house 5 (in sagittarius). square my venus in libra, square my moon aries, opposes my jupiter cancer.

posted November 23, 2008 02:03 AM         

Lucia...you're so right on target with Saturn Cancer being sensitive to suffering. My god, I feel my guts getting pulled out of me if anyone's in pain too, it just kills me. I think it might be an overly empathic syndrome. Saturn in Cancer...it's like emotions feel like a weakness and not a strength and vulnerability is a form of murder, as is being aware of others' emotions.