posted December 11, 2008 12:03 AM            

I have Mars quincunx Juno,.....I would say that it's not necessarily sexual, but that passion(Mars) is connected to committed relationships(Juno).

My Mars/Juno midpoint is conjunct Midheaven with only 3 minutes of arc, and so passionate committed relationships are definitely very important to me.
if a woman's planet aspects that midpoint picture by conjunction/opposition,opposition/conjunction,square,semisquare/sesquiquadrate, sesquiquadrate/semisquare (as in aspecting the axis), then I would want a passionate committed relationship with that person.

posted December 11, 2008 12:10 AM            

With older bodies, even if advancements in astronomical technology have reclassified them (ie, Pluto as no longer a planet), we've had centuries to observe their astrological effects.

posted December 11, 2008 12:40 AM            

as for trying to figure out the newer bodies' meanings,all you can do is examine them in charts of people who have them in close conjunction. Or look at events where those aspects occurred. You can also look at the astronomical features of the object too.

when you consider objects that orbit past Saturn(the physical boundaries), you can get the idea that these objects can be about metaphysical things...once you get past Neptune(the planet tha dissolves the boundaries and is about seeing through to the other side),then you get to objects that could be associated to the other side, and those could be related to transformation,death,rebirth.

astrologers will also look at discovery charts to help find meaning of the object.

some will even look at the sign placement of the nodes and perihelion/aphelion of an object to find clues to how the object works. Some even use Sabian symbol placements too.

of course you can find clues in its name too...I believe that the name is important as I have seen in even in personal name asteroids,the vibrations of the name seem to have an effect...especially if a personal name asteroid is significantly placed in the chart (like my mom's name asteroid is conjunct my Imum Coeli, and I have my father's name asteroid conjunct the Midheaven with 4th/10th houses known as the parental axis). The mythology of the name can give clues to its meaning too. Like with Sedna,you can consider how its named after a seagoddess. Astronomers have given names for an object that suit its astronomical features. for instance, Sedna is the most distant object in our solar system when it is at aphelion to the point that it has the coldest temperature. Therefore,they named it after a seagoddess that lives in the far depths of the frigid arctic ocean.

also some astrologers have proposed names for numerous centaur bodies,and they got accepted. They looked at their orbits first,and then they came up with names. Nessus was the first one. Therefore,they consider the astronomical features and give mythological names that fit those astronomical features.

I have looked at asteroid aspects in its discovery chart to look for clues to its meaning.

the main thing is just to study,investigate,and research for yourself and not take things for gospel.

posted December 11, 2008 02:17 PM            

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posted December 11, 2008 03:28 PM            

New Astrological Discovery:

Sedna is The Hammer of Thor

November 25, 2008

We have just had the biggest bank failures in American history and the stock market has been getting killed for months.

It is crisis time – the economy is teetering and is right on the edge of falling off a mountain that has been built on excessive leverage and debt.

Most Americans are aware of this.

But not all Americans realize there is a worldwide crisis.

Although our stock market has been a disaster, the stock markets of other countries have been even worse. The Russian stock market is down over 75% in the last three months. All the major European and Asian stock markets are down an average of 60%.

Just about every major bank in the whole world is in some kind of trouble. Add it all up and they have lost trillions (not just billions) on their investments in American mortgage securities. There securities were improperly rated AAA by the morons (or are they crooks) at Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s, the rating companies that we think should be outlawed forever.

There has been such a severe loss of confidence in banks that some European countries have been forced to essentially temporarily nationalize all their banks to prevent them from failing.

Here in America, we have essentially nationalized some of our biggest financial institutions: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, AIG and Citigroup.

Thank God our Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke, has devised brilliant new ways of pumping money into the financial system to prevent it from total collapse. As of today’s announcement of an additional $800 billion plan to directly help the mortgage markets, the total amount of money the US government has committed to save the US economy adds up to more than $3 trillion.

There will be more to come.

What in the world happened?

And more important, what in the world will happen in the future – will it get better or worse?

As always, Magi Astrology has the astrological answers.

The answers are known through a secret of Magi Astrology that we revealed to our members three years ago.

The astrological answer lies in the Hammer of Thor!

The problems we now have are the result of the fact the world has been pounded by the Hammer of Thor.

THE HAMMER OF THOR

Most of us know that in Norse mythology, Thor was the god of thunder and he made lightening with his hammer.

The hammer of Thor was the most destructive weapon in mythology. Is there a planet that represents it?

Yes.

It is Sedna.

Sedna is a recently discovered planet. Astronomers classify Sedna as a dwarf planet and there have been dozens of them discovered in the last few years.

But Sedna is not like any of the other dwarf planets. It has the most elliptical orbit of any planet. It is by far the farthest planet that we know about. Sedna is so far away that astronomers calculate it takes 12,050 years for it to orbit the Sun. By comparison, Pluto orbits the Sun every 240 years.

Right now, Sedna is a bit more than 7 billion miles from the Sun and almost as close to the Sun as it ever gets – that is why we were able to discover it in 2003. But Sedna will be 90 billion miles from the Sun in 6,000 years. That is about 35 times further from the Sun than Pluto ever gets.

Because Sedna is so far away and its orbit is so elliptical, the Magi Society believes that Sedna is not from our solar system. We believe that Sedna was a small planet that used to orbit another star, but it somehow escaped the gravitational force of that star, after which Sedna began wandering in outer space. We believe that about 6000 years ago, Sedna became captured by the gravitational force of our Sun and became “part” of our solar system.

So Sedna is really a visitor and not part of our original solar system. This would explain why it is so far away from our Sun.

This would also explain why astrologically speaking, Sedna does not act like any other planet.

Below, we will explain why Sedna is astrologically very different from any other planet and how it really works, as well as what Sedna means and represents.

SYMBOLISMS OF SEDNA

Sedna is the destroyer.

That is why we refer to Sedna as the Hammer of Thor.

Sedna destroys everything in its path. Saturn is also destructive but Sedna is actually more harmful than Saturn is, and Sedna has more destructive power than Saturn does.

This is a monumental discovery!

When Saturn knocks us down, we can usually get back up. If Sedna knocks us down, it follows up by pounding us into the ground – like a pile driver. Sedna is nasty and mean and possesses the instinct of a bloodthirsty killer. Sedna does not want us to be able to get back up after it knocks us down.

Sedna is symbolic of corruption, lies, and immorality of all kinds. Sedna is ruler of economic and social disasters and upheavals, and moral decay.

Sedna represents ILL-GOTTEN gains, wealth stolen from others, profits made illegally or unethically, or at the expense of others. Sedna also represents wealth accumulated from taking advantage of the weaknesses of others.

Sedna is a moral cancer within our society; Sedna seeks to destroy our moral fiber and our very soul.

In business matters, a corporation with strong Sedna aspects is essentially a vulture and will prey on customers who are morally weak, and sell products that corrupt our souls. Sedna promotes violence, horror and terror. (For example, Sedna aspects are plentiful in companies selling pornography and violent video games.)

Sedna is evil.

A Sedna business will leave its customers in the gutter after it has taken all their money and stripped them of self-dignity. (Drug dealers have lots of Sedna aspects in their birth charts.)

Sedna symbolizes drugs and prostitutes, products that promote violence and or emotionless sex.

Sedna is symbolic of anything that is anti-Christian. More than anything else, Sedna hates Christ and Christians.

Sedna has no conscience whatsoever.

“Good transits” by Sedna can bring wealth to the person having them. BUT whenever Sedna helps someone grab the loot, Sedna also corrupts the souls of the persons who are making the money, by making them totally selfish and greedy beyond comprehension. This attribute of Sedna is one reason there is truth to the old adage that money corrupts.

Sedna is ruler of corrupt money.

Sedna is so insidious that it helps nobody. During so-called “good transits” by Sedna, a person will make money – but the profits will corrupt the person’s soul to the very core. And then Sedna will eat the person alive.

Bad transits by Sedna are the worst transits you can have when it comes to both your money and soul. One set of bad Sedna transits can cut our personal net worth in half or more. But even worse, bad Sedna transits can make us completely lose our moral compass, making us willing to do anything, even break laws and hurt others, in order to make up our losses.

Compared to Sedna, Saturn is almost tolerable.

Saturn is still the bad planet. But Sedna is the really bad planet and intrinsically evil.

[On our websites, the Magi Society will use the term “Hammer of Thor” or just “Thor” to refer to Sedna because the terms are so fitting.]

SEDNA CLASHES CREATED THE CRASH OF 2008

A few months ago, before the current stock market got really bad, we devoted a whole Certification Workshop to teach our Certification Candidates about the importance of Sedna. We also sounded the alarm about the fact that there were horrible Sedna clashes coming up.

You might be asking, “What is so important about Sedna clashes?”

Sedna clashes are important because Sedna clashes are the astrological key to stock market crashes, recessions and financial turmoil. The worst Sedna crashes are the ones Sedna makes with Financial Planets (Venus, Chiron, Neptune and Pluto) and we call such clashes “Sedna based Financial Clashes.”

Every year, we have at least a few “short-duration” Sedna based Financial Clashes made by Venus and Sedna. Obviously, these clashes are not that important because they come and go quickly since Venus moves fast.

But the long-duration Sedna based Financial Clashes can have horrible consequences just like the Hammer of Thor. The longer a Clash lasts, the worse it is. If Sedna makes clashes with Pluto, or Chiron or Neptune, it creates a long-duration Sedna based Financial Clash and the results can be big problems in the economy and financial markets.

We warned our members three years ago about Sedna – we told them in a link on our 2005 Members Only site that Sedna was the secret cause of the stock market crash of 1987.

The stock market crash of 1987 was primarily the result of a couple of horrible long-duration Sedna based Financial Clashes made between Sedna and Pluto.

The Dot.com crash came when there were several long-duration Sedna based Financial Clashes made between Sedna and Chiron and also Pluto.

During the last 2 years, we have had NINE long-duration Sedna based Financial Clashes made between Sedna and Neptune and also Sedna and Chiron.

That is why we have had the worldwide stock market crash of 2008, and why we are now in the jaws of a recession, and there is worldwide financial turmoil.

posted December 11, 2008 03:40 PM            

Roy MacKinnon,who has a close Sun-Sedna conjunction himself, wrote this about Sedna:

"If there is a phrase which really means something to me about Sedna it is
NOT OF THIS WORLD. To me it has a most specific spiritual influence. You
only have to think of Sedna's extraordinary orbit to realise that it wants
to take you away from this world right to the very limits of the solar
system. Exactly what the spiritual nature is, is something which is
dictated by the planets aspecting Sedna. Adverse aspects may be connected
to temptations to deviate from the path of a spiritual destiny to that of
a more mundane, maybe even monetary one, where satisfactions are obtained
in this life and not banked karmically."

"I think it is because self-interest is denied by Sedna that it mistakenly
becomes associated with sacrifice. In truth Sedna doesn't deny the real
self - only the mundane temporal self. In truth Sedna feeds the eternal
self, that part of the very core of our being which aspires to holiness.
It seems to me it is precisely because of this strong non-temporal
influence that Sedna can be seen associated with events NOT OF THIS TIME
or for that matter NOT OF THIS CIVILIZATION. Sometimes I see it active in
death charts. In such cases it is signifying that the departed soul is NO
LONGER OF THIS WORLD."

"Whatever it is that fuels the Sedna quality in someone it is usually
unseen yet essential. Sedna works in the inky blackness unseen by the
mundane world very often - it is not of the personality, it is of the
essence, of the spirit. It is the fuel of the Refiner's Fire. It can be
the signature of unending love from a family member to the self or of a
lover but beware the love of the lover that it is not a delusion suffering
from mistaken identity. It seems to me to be more like the signature of
the right hemisphere of the brain, intuitve, non-logical, non-linear
rather than the strict logic of limited mathematical proof which,
appropriate in its own right hemisphere domain, is very limited in the
deep and darkness."

"Whatever carries this flavour, bears this subtle and almost intangible
quality, exhibits this subtle nuance, is of the world of Sedna, difficult
to perceive, just as difficult to describe but the characteristic flavour
is unmistakeably unique."

I already thought there was a metaphysical quality about Sedna with it being an object that orbits well beyond the planet of physical boundaries,Saturn but is also transneptunian.

with it connected to mythology of the Inuit seagoddess, it seems Neptune-like in its characteristics
but with it being in the most distant regions in the solar system like Inuit Seagoddess in the far depths of the Arctic Ocean, there seems to be an "out of this world" and remote quality about Sedna.

posted December 11, 2008 04:17 PM            

I don't necessarily believe that oppositions are bad since my studies in cosmobiology. I would even look at not only the planet,point that is having the opposition transit, but also the natal midpoints that aspect the planet,point being transited by the oppositional planet.

I had that transit this summer,and well......I didn't get a destructive partner. Transiting Neptune square Sedna was in a t-square to my Venus. I was still badly missing my exgf who broke up with me in April of this year. That could also fit the symbolism of Sedna-Venus.

my Venus opposes my Sedna/Midheaven midpoint(9th harmonic triangle) with only 7 minutes of arc, and so transiting Sedna and Neptune were aspecting my Sedna/Midheaven midpoint too.

my mother has Venus in Caner in 2nd square the opposition of Neptune in 5th and Sedna in Aries in 11th. Well...her lovelife pretty much sucked that included getting involved with a stepcousin that led to her being a 15 yr old mother of a child that she was forced to give up for adoption, the 17 yr old mother of a child(me) by a man that was a recovering drug addict that went back to using drugs and disappeared without a trace when I was 1 1/2 years old,and being in an dysfunctional marriage with a man 25 years older than her. She went back together with the stepcousin when I was 21 years old,and she finally told me the truth about my half brother.

right now, she has a longtime roommate who has been living with her since 1996.

Venus-Sedna doesn't have to be bad. It could be a highly spiritual type of love, you could be attracted to women that are otherworldly,ethereal.

I have Moon sextile Sedna(Pluto semisquare Moon/Sedna with 5 minutes of arc because of a yod) and of course,my Venus-Sedna-Midheaven as well Sedna square Venus/Eris midpoint with 5 minutes of arc probably indicate my attraction to otherworldly,ethereal types.

posted December 11, 2008 04:19 PM            

I feel Juno as having qualities of both Pluto and Saturn. At least that's how it has played out in my life. It has a binding influence and it's really quite deep. I see Juno as having a quality of intimacy about it as well.

The intimacy and binding can obviously play out in different ways whether you're in a partnership with one other person or if it's a family connection. And just like Pluto, I think there's a certain power inherent in Juno.

posted December 11, 2008 04:34 PM            

Juno is one of the major asteroids.

here is something about Juno from the book, ASTROLOGY FOR YOURSELF by Demetra George and Douglas Bloch. I agree with their view about Juno too. It's definitely how I see Juno in Astrology.

page 229

Juno
Relates to Libra and Scorpio

Keyphrases: My capacity for meaningful relationships.

Juno Themes:

1. Relationships: equal partnerships vs. power struggles;compatibility and trust, cooperation between equals;jealousy and possessiveness; sexual fidelity;psychological projection;emotional attachments;committed and spiritual relationships;cycles of leaving and returning.

2. The Eternal Feminine: women's predicament in marriage; feminine power.

3. The Powerless: minorities, the elderly,battered wives,abused children.

Juno Rulerships

1. One-to-one Relationships:business,mate,marriage,friend,employer-employee,teacher-student,etc.;marriage and compatibility counseling;receptivity to others.

2. Ceremony and Rituals: marriage,engagement,divorce;legitimate and illegitimate children,heirs;social protocol,social position.

3. Women: women's sexual cycles,women's arts,women's equal rights,beauty and adornment.

4. Atmosphere: weather,money(Juno was Goddess of the Mint)

Juno Keywords:
wife,husband,partner,committed,supportive,equal,cooperative,compromising,sharing,trusting,refined,intimate,merging,joining,faithful,loyal,sexual,fertile,firtatious,attracting,magne tic,jealous,possessive,revengeful,competitive,vindictive,unfaithful,barren,angry,quarrelsome,inferior,unequal,victimized,sado-masochism,seduction,rape,violation,abused.

the asteroid,Hera seems to be similar to Juno. Hera is the Greek mythological counterpart of Juno.

posted December 11, 2008 04:51 PM            

I like and can relate to what Love wrote.

I think a healthy Juno is about an equal partnership and devotion & love that is freely given. It's about accepting the other person as their own person, and the risk that comes with that acceptance. Juno's not just how we deal with another's autonomy within a relationship, but also how we deal with our own.

posted December 11, 2008 05:02 PM            

that fits with what Douglas Bloch and Demetra George wrote about Juno.

The Magi Society seems to focus on mainly the negatives of Juno in regards to infidelity,affairs like Juno/Hera was constantly cheated on by her husband, Jupiter/Zeus. There is not a single story about her having affairs. It's like she was faithful to her husband to the point that she was jealous of her husband's lovers and would even punish both her lovers and their children.

Juno/Hera was Queen of the Gods, the chief Goddess,and so she was the personification of feminine power.

posted December 12, 2008 06:05 AM            

Glaucus ~ "cycles of leaving and returning" is an interesting blurb to me. I have noticed Juno transits marking both the beginning and end of both of my Juno-centric love relationships.

posted December 12, 2008 09:10 AM              

My bf has Juno cj cusp6H,squares Venus.Cj Neptune,sextiles Pluto/Union and trine Karma.

I believe it´s difficult for him to expresse his Juno needs.His marriage partner of that searching "for" seems to be at odds with his love needs(venus),tends to idealize the image of that person (neptune),has to do with some karma he has;and at the same time,can transform/regenerate something in him or his life.

Right?or did I confused myself?

My Juno it is in my 8H in Taurus - opose saturn/pluto in the end of 1stH.Squares my krma/valent/union.

posted December 12, 2008 09:13 AM            

I tend to focus on the definition relationship needs when thinking of a key phrase for Juno, perhaps doing her a disservice as she is complex. There is an Independence to Juno. But I might be projecting because of my own placements.

Since Juno resides in my 8th, and is posited in Aries - sexual connotations are somewhat a given. One blurb that has stuck is that Juno in Aries requires a sex machine for a partner. Hummm biologically or mechanically?! Or both?

posted December 12, 2008 11:42 PM            

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koi should be here any moment to discuss how Juno gets her all hot and bothered

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You're right Jane!!! Fancy finding me in a Juno thread!!

My take on Juno can be found here!!!
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/020321.html

Aw heck, here 'tis...

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Juno always seems to be there with each major attraction:

My partner's Juno conjunct my Sun 6°
My first love's Juno conjunct my Venus 0°
My first crush's Juno conjunct my Moon 3°
An old friend's Juno conjunct my Asc 3°
My huge crush's Venus conjunct my Juno 3°

The more I think about these aspects, the more I think that Juno does have to make the first move.

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