posted November 19, 2002 10:25 AM         

i am looking at your charts right now and was about to ask you what it was about him that you loved. but then i read your post and found my answer:

"but it was just not right for us to be together."

it was what i sensed. i don't quite know what you'd like for me to specifically look for . . .

best.

posted November 19, 2002 10:58 AM         

Thank you for confirming what I sensed. I have looked at the synastry between my ex and I and thought that there were problems that jumped right out, such as his moon opposing my sun and I think the fact that he has Leo in Venus and Mars is in direct conflict with his Virgo Sun / Taurus Ascendent nature.

Now the one thing that I have found, without trying to pigeon hole all Virgos, cuz I love them dearly, is that they are attracted to me in a strong way, but it seems as if what they initially liked, they start to hate. I have also found that they end up trying to possess me, like a trophy, which makes me want to run from the oppression.

I try to be as direct as possible by letting them know that I need to be friends first without any physical / intimate strings, but it seems like they want to push the other. This happened with a Virgo friend of mine just a few weeks ago. I told him that I was not interested in a relationship, physical or casual, other than just friends.

He kept pushing to the point that it freaked me out, like he wouldn't take no for an answer. He has some weird plantary things going on from just about every planet in Virgo to having a Leo Singleton in Mars. What is your take on it?

His info: 9/9/66 6:49am Silver Spring, MD

Thanks!!!!! and have a good one!!

By the way, I love your name!!

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posted November 19, 2002 11:09 AM         

using the koch house system, your 12th house begins at 25'4 degrees leo and your ascendant begins at 24'52'37 virgo. most of your virgo friends would sit within this bracket in your chart. your ex-husband has his virgo sun at 8'21'21 virgo and mercury at 2'15'8 virgo. mercury rules virgo and it sits in your 4th house at 11'45'45 degrees capricorn. your south node is at 15'46'52 virgo in the 12th house. see a pattern?

tell me what you think. and i'll tell you my thoughts.

aphrodite

posted November 19, 2002 11:52 AM         

Wow, so you are like Twain, that's cool. I didn't know he had an Aries Moon too.

yes, I couldn't believe the Erin S. book went for like eight bucks, that was a shock glad you got it anyway

So you're moving to Hollywood then!? Great, let me know when you get here, we'll kick it

har har...like the Kid Rock tune..."we'll I'm packin' up my game and I'ma head out West/Where real women come equipped with scripts and fake..." okay, forget that second line, it wouldn't really apply to you

It will all settle, babe. Maybe give it to the Spring, you impetuous Fire sign you, since the fog will lift once Saturn rolls on by.

And as for the possessive Virgo thing...hmmm...I think it is a dependence that Fire creates in Earth. Fire always blazes its own trail. I think that once Earth has supported Fire for a while, it either extinguishes it or it gets real used to it, and wants to keep it around. I am not sure, this is just a feeling. Like it's almost those two extremes, there doesn't seem to be a real steady burn with Fire people. So when they are in trailblazing independent mode, the Earth sign, or prolly any sign, that got used to it has to step back and let them go their own way. So it's a response, I think, based on what the Fire sign does. It's like "Wait, baby, get back here. Hey! I was all digging this!" and "Nope, sorry, I am going this way for now, I'll get back to ya, Earth boy!" And so we maybe hold on too much, which Fire, as much as it wants that closeness, also pushes it away so that it can blaze it's own trail, it doesn't have much choice. Could that be it?

posted November 19, 2002 03:22 PM         

Well, I understand that the 12th house hold not only hidden dreams, desires, inner thoughts, but also hidden enemies. Do you think that on some level, I want to be possessed, but it is against my basic nature?

My ex and I got along on certian levels, but all of which are strictly platonic, mostly like a familial type of relationship. He is still my best friend and always will be (we still talk all the time and go on outings), but on a romantic / marriage level, the sparks weren't there. We were able, for some same reason, to pick up each others thoughts, me more than him. It was like I could read his mind (he always calls me telepath and mindreader) and feel his emotions as if they were my own.

What are your thoughts on the matter. My Sag sun is in his 8th house and my Aries moon is in his 12th house.

Carlo,

You are soooo cute. I am not sure that Hollywood is for me. I used to go there often with my friends when I was 19-21, but I always felt a bit out of place. So much concrete and soooo busy. It's so wierd, because as much as I LOVE activity and lots of people, it has to be in small doses or I get a bit overwhelmed. I have to retreat back to the beach, the mountains, or give me farm with lots of land to catch my breath. I do miss Cali though and I will look you up when I move out West or visit.

I think that you have it right on about the Earth Boy / Fire Girl thing. I find that I want to entertain and cheer up the Earth boys while they feel a natural desire to protect me and keep me from harm. One of the biggest fights my ex and I got into was over getting my luggage after a trip. I travel frequently with my job and I am used to lugging my stuff around. When he would pick me up at the airport, he would kind of push me out of the way to get my stuff and in the process he would get frustrated. I took it as an insult to my independence, but it was more a major miscommunication.

Thanks for the insight. What would I do without cool peeps like you all?

Love,

Meeeeeeeee (Mark Twain's Twin...well, except with breasts...hee hee..oh and no facial hair...and well, you get the idea...LOL)

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posted November 19, 2002 03:47 PM         

i think you attract virgo people to you because it is a repeated life pattern you have always done unconsciously---as the south node is there. even though the circumstances do not come out to the "ideal" that you have, you are probably most familiar with the relationship patterns and hence continually attract them. with virgo in the 12th, it could be an emphasis on a fear of analyzing the fluid unconscious and subconscious realm, as these bodies of our souls are not easily compartmentalized and organized the way virgo would naturally like to have it done. a fear of the "live and let be" mentality. i think it is why i have noticed that you haven't really delved deeply, emotionally, and intensely (base chakras activity) with virgos---because it's safe, and they let you be . . .

just a pattern i noticed.

posted November 19, 2002 04:09 PM         

Your analysis makes a lot of sense. I have noticed that with my ex, I felt safe because I didn't feel that I had put myself out all that much emotionally. I had already had the experience of a broken heart before by letting myself become vulnerable to "falling in love". The person that I have become involved with now, we have been friends for a long while now, well, I find that my emotions scare me. I want to run because of how he affects me deep down.

I think you looked at his data a while back, but just in case: July 28, 1969 11:59pm Moscow, ID).

The thought of falling in love scares the hell out of me to no end and I am really not sure why. I do understand what you are saying about patterns.

Thank you again Aphrodite.

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posted November 19, 2002 04:33 PM         

yes, surrender of the ego and service---NOT possession is one your life lessons this incarnation. your north node is in pisces conjunct the vertex in the 6th house of health and service. the ruler of pisces, neptune, is your 3rd house. a way to interpret this is to learn how to surrender the ego to service. the most easiest way, i see it and what the chart points out, is through basic communication. it would be a small step forward. but this means a great deal to literally *share yourself* and to open up to others on another level that transcends the superficial and basic nature.

posted November 20, 2002 03:01 PM         

Aphrodite,

Thank you for the insight again and I think you have a point about me needing to share more of my feeling by letting people know what is going on inside. I have a tendency to just laugh things off and move on like nothing really brings me down, then I get upset because the person hasn't figured it out. You aren't the first person to bring that up and I had another astrologer point out that I need to go deeper in to my chakras. Another person hit the nail on the head about the sharing my feelings and that is was necessary in order for me to have a real relationship.

Whew...so much to learn.

Carlo, I read some of the Retrograde book and it will take some time to get the hang of it. I also picked up the one my Martin Shulman. Being a bit of a Skeptic, I am trying to open my mind up to some of the past life stuff and Karma. Thanks again for the advice!!

Kisses,

posted November 21, 2002 12:24 PM         

You should like the Shulman stuff, I use his book on synastry all the time, it's much of the stuff on the leovirgo page I did that you liked.

So what are you skeptical about? past lives? You don't go there? What is your position on that? I did an essay recently on how the Church blew it by allowing reincarnation to be purged from its doctrine. You would be surprised how the early Church fathers fully accepted it...well, they of course got the idea from the early Pagans...

http://lovestarz.com/reincarnation.html

I would say that if you seek some background regarding the history of how we lost reincarnation, and the losers who are responsible for us *all* not completely accepting it in these times, then you'll like this essay.

Bright Blessings,
Carlo

posted November 21, 2002 02:09 PM         

I believe that the Church took many things out of context in relation to what it viewed as "pagan". The Bible lends much credence to dreams, vision, healing and even in a sense..spells (chants, those that healed and the ability to change various substances).

I also believe that the problem that God / Trinity had with "seers", "witches" and others has been misconstrued. It wasn't that they were wrong, but how they used their abilities that were wrong. When it became a method to scam or to take use in place of God, then it became a problem with him on a level that we do not comprehend. It was no more problematc or sinful, that people pretending to be in direct contact with God, using that power to lord over people and extort money.

I think God gave us these gifts to help out humanity and to be used in the proper way. (That's just my opinion).

As far as Reincarnation. I do believe in it on a "gut" level. I become skeptical when generalizations are applied to a "whole" rather than getting to know the inner workings behind it. For Example, if my Saturn is indicative of the sign I was in a former life, then I have lots of Taurus friends because I share that Saturn with tons of others. Now, if someone said "Taking a specific point between your Saturn sign, Sun Sign and maybe even your moon, would indicate the sign that you held in another life.

The retrograde notion appeals to me. It gives more specific reasoning to the theory than just "Hey if you have a Cancer Saturn you used to be a Cancer in another life".

I am open to many theories and I love looking into them. I am looking forward to getting more into the books to really get a better understanding of the meaning. Thanks for the links.

I hope all is well.

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posted December 02, 2002 01:38 PM         

Hey handsome-Virgo!!! How are you? I have missed you too. I am doing well. I can't wait to start my vacation out West!! I am taking my mom to Palm Springs for Christmas and then we are going to spend a night in Laguna Beach. (My Grandmother (who I was very close to) passed away last 12/27 at home, so I wanted to give my mom a bit of an uplifting Holiday this year..Grandma would have wanted us to get away). We will wrap up the trip by going to the cemetary (also in So Cal).

I watched Harry Potter yesterday. It was pretty cool, but also pretty long. I am torn between liking the first one more than this latest movie. It seemed a bit contrite, but that could be because it really is for kids. I still enjoyed it. I want to see Solaris too.

Your past reference to Love and Rockets had me listening to my old tapes and pulling out some of my old photo albums. Wow, I can believe I was so Goth so many years ago. LOL..we called it "death rock" back then, but it still meant the same. Not that I could ever get my skin that white without the help of major makeup since I am a brownie by birth.

I hope things are going well for you. Please let me know your latest news. Have you ventured into any caves lately?

Take Care...Kisses!!!!

Love,

posted December 03, 2002 11:32 AM         

My goth days didn't last for more than a couple of years. I grew tired of little kids running away from me in the mall. LOL... I still love my somber music...especially with candles in a hot bubble bath.......mmmmmmmm..bubbles.

I will give you my cell phone number too and I'll give a call when I am in town. Yippeeeee.. I can't wait to get out West.

Kissesssssss.

Shawnee

Alena,

Thanks for the response. Seems like we all have something in common!

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