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zoka
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posted September 04, 2003 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoka     Edit/Delete Message
And men? Well, I hope nobody get's offended, but I have found that men with Saturn/Venus aspects tend to find very moral women or ... the opposite. But not always. You need to look at the entire chart, a single aspect won't help much.

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N_wEvil
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posted September 04, 2003 01:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message
to be honest I dont feel smarter and wiser, just like its more all my fault, heh.

I'm still very much evolving though

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Sylven
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posted September 04, 2003 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message
Hehe Zoka!

CancerianMoon, we are just 8 days apart!! I was born on 22nd of June! Hurray!

I just wanted to pop in and tell you that in my believe even the bad experiences can be soulmates. They feel so comfi, understanding and familiar but then BANG it might be your biggest mistake (or a walk in the field of course ), feeling the way you are afterwards can and most probably will heal you, because it touches that spot.
Pooh, I hope I make sense I certainly don't mean to offend anyone! Still my own language is easier...

Then, to your question, yes I have made (very few) friends and one of them I don't write to anymore that much. The contact faded for reasons but she is so lovely and we have helped each other enormously! Hey..I had my venus on her Ascendant! Says something huh?

Well, C.M. (what a misslead; You have a twinmoon ) I wish you all the best. Let us know, will you?

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zoka
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posted September 05, 2003 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoka     Edit/Delete Message
Hi!

I have to agree with you. All the people we meet in this world came here to teach us something, and we are meant to teach this people something too! And I do not think we meet people by accident - it was just meant to be. Some individuals may touch us more, some will less, but they all will have an impact on our lives. Remember your pet who died when you were 6 years old? Didn't it make you think about the meaning or purpose of life? The last significant relationship that broke up because of ... reasons? Did it make you think about your love life in general? The hungry kid on TV? Thinking about world hunger? I don't mean to be dramatic in any way, but I guess that self-growth is not pleasant and cheerful and requires time, effort and strength.

For N_wEvil: in some perverse way you are right, everything that happens to you is your fault, but in a cosmic sense. People who have made mistakes in their past lives are given the chance in this one to correct them "buy now - pay forever" So you are not wrong, but have made a difficult choice in your life and I must congratulate you: you do not blame everybody else and it takes good strength to recognize this and use all the falls in our life as stages of self-growth and evolution.
Your chart is not pretty and this is one of those charts were our Universe has decided to check the strength and endurance of the person in question. I can not forecast you a pleasant and happy love life. But you will feel deeper emotions than many of us will through a couple of lives. Venus in Capricorn is hard. It is the toughest Venus of all. Nothing is good enough and no one is good enough. Especially you. Women with this Venus tend to be cold and aloof, all business and sometimes you just do not know what else to do to get her attention. No matter what you do - you can not brake the ice. Your Venus moves back and conjuncts your South Node and squares Saturn in Libra, the sign of marriage and partnership. It opposites the Moon too. This is a good, bud sad constellation. Saturn is going to square your Venus every 7-8 years, making you unhappy in the matters of the heart. The first square is around age 7 (hello school!) the second age 15 (hello first love!). In the IXth house it shows that you remember or dream about a love, who is far away and you tend to live in the past. Venus in Co does have emotions, but they are rather useful than pretty or warm. Sure, taking care of each others careers, making decisions or planning a meaningful future is something to discuss. Ask this Venus how she feels - and add that Saturn square - you will have a bad rejection or just withdrawing. Your Moon in Cancer is warm and more open, but the opposition with Venus tends to make women unsure how to behave when married and what to do when single. The woman of your choice will have to be "mom" like and care for you, the house and the children. How you are going to force dear Co Venus to leave her job I do not know. I guess your mother was a good wife, satisfied with cooking and children, always somewhere "in the neighborhood" carrying in an abstract way for her children, but actually never there. She is probably worried when you are hungry, cold and when it is time to be home. Your fear about the deeper meanings of life she does not understand and tends to distance herself.
The worse manifestation of this aspect is person who never was loved (enough) by his parents and feels all alone. Moon square Pluto can give a cruel mother.
I do not want to be rude, but this may be a chart of someone who does not want a woman, but another mother.
With all respect: you have too much air in your chart and a strong MC and Desc. You tend to be all intelectual and thinking. You probably do something with graphics and a computer, well you draw sketches or some plan anyway. And that lovely Venus in Co has a career to think about too. You have a light approach and good manners and tend to be nice. You like people in general and want to have a lot of friends. And you do not understand the women around you at all. Sometimes they are too earthy for your taste and too realistic. Were did the fun go?
You have a strong Vth house and you need love. If your first love was at age 15, you probably were deeply hurt from someone who did not appreciate you enough. The 'hard' planets in your Vth house make very jealous and demanding while with someone. And here comes the trick: the Asc in Gemini, the strong and airy MC, the ecstatic and misty VIIth house can make you seem superficial, light hearted and easy to be with. Wrong! You are very vulnerable and easy to hurt and you do not like to open up. And you wounds heal very slowly.
This chart can make a big mess in your life: making you marry a cold and demanding woman, and ending up in divorce or a marriage that is everything but a marriage, trying to be in the office, the bar or somewhere else rather than home. With children that make nothing but trouble. Or you can end up chasing hundreds of women as a revenge for what one woman did to you. Both versions will leave you emotionally closed and unhappy. This will happen when (if!) you decide that there is no reason to bother any more - and you will reject everybody from your life. Your fears, dreams, hopes etc will not be shared and at some point people will stop to bother to get through to you and you will be VERY alone. I guess the key here is in trying. Sure, there will be idiots in our lives and most of them will hurt our feelings. We will feel betrayed and left and sick. But instead of letting this to make us sad, cold and hard we should embrace the mistakes we have made and learn from them. Saturn requires persistence, endurance and patience. The path to heaven is the path of hell. Love is not a game, it requires our deepest efforts, strongest emotions and sometimes tears. And it requires hard work. We make mistakes, but there is no reason to ban everybody from our lives. You do not have to share your deepest feelings with everybody, just with a few closest people. And intimacy takes time. A lot of time. But I guess this is something we all know ... somewhere deep down. There is a nice key-word that describes this aspect "love hard knocks" ... just do not let it KO you!
Saturn is moving somewhere around your Moon and makes all those lovely squares. Emotionally, this is not a good time to meet new people, our cute people anyway. This is the time when you can question your deepest feelings, to clear up issues with your mother (or an older sister) and to mature. Relationships will be broken, or get a new structure and meaning. Jupiter will trine your (poor) Venus in a few months, which will bring a new person in your life; someone from the place you work. I think that during the next year things are going to get easier to handle. Just hang in there!

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CancerianMoon
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posted September 05, 2003 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CancerianMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Zoka..u r so lovely!!!i would much appreciate more useful info...u r a real gem!!

Sylven..cool...thanks for ur response...i absoultely agree on the soulmate thing!!..as for me missleading u all..sorry!!..absolutely honest mistake..lol...and i will let u know..thanks!!

N_wEvil....plz..no feeling guilty...i am glad to see u here..sharing!!and really...i wish u all the best!!!

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N_wEvil
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posted September 05, 2003 08:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Wow - thanks for typing all that out!!

My mother is a good wife and my family, for all thats happened to them, is very stable. However she was always tied up with work and while i can't fault her efforts sometimes too much is just too much.

I'm aware my parents love me but recently i've noticed a number of running issues and i now feel a great need to get far, far away from their influence.

If i did have a first love at age 15... its' not one I can recall.. that time in my life was one of extreme isolation. My first deep relationship was at 16/17 which left me extremely damaged.

Re the mother thing: While i feel like i do want someone who is able to "take care of me" to a degree, i also want to be independant and able to do the same back for them, however such a symbiosis rarely materialises... which is disappointing.

Bang on with the graphics - i'm a 3D animator! hehe

Re: making a mess of my life

Yep, it certainly can...im still oscillating on whether to avoid love relationships. As for sharing my feelings.. its not that i dont want to its more that it takes an inordinate amount of energy for me to effectively articulate them so anyone has an objective idea of how i'm feeling.

As far as i'm aware saturn starts slapping my moon towards the end of next year.

I suppose there's something innate in me tied up with that infamous "will to live".. i have a "will to love"... and I dont stop loving people, although goodness knows why, heh.

Either way - thankyou very much for spending time looking at this for me

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zoka
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posted September 05, 2003 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for zoka     Edit/Delete Message
I am glad I was able to help.

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Sylven
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posted September 05, 2003 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message
Zoka, you kick azz!

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1scorp
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posted September 05, 2003 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 1scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Zoka: Wow! That reading was amazing!

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pixelpixie
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posted September 10, 2003 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
WOW! Be careful, you could have a lot of people requesting your services now....you must type a mile a minute. That was very kind and generous for you to do. It's pleasing to my heart when people truly take their time and devote it in service to others. (that sounded very church-like!) Time for you to cash in with a 1-900 #.

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firestar
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posted November 05, 2003 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for firestar     Edit/Delete Message
I too am a veteran of the chat romance thing.

At the time I was finally able (22 years) to put my foot down and take the last stand against my now ex Scorp, I also won a computer from a local radio station. I had no need for a computer, I wondered what in the heck would I do with it. My sister kept telling me about a philosophy chat room that she went to. I finally agreed to check it out.

Through the years, in many different ways had implanted in my brain the idea that no other man would ever want anything to do with me. When you hear it enough, you believe it.

Chat opened up a whole new world to me. It was so much fun, talking to people, meeting people from all over the world, and learning tons of different things from amazing people.
I loved that part most of all. I went from hardly being able to type to being able to fix my own computer, and help others fix theirs.

I was a chataholic for about 3 years. I was very please to discover that my ex was completely wrong about the men thing. In no time at all I had many different men that I was getting to know. After all, I am a Libra, I didn't want to be alone. My first internet love experience was with a Libra man who was the Editor and Publisher of a Canadian Graphics Magazine. It was extremely intense. Hours and hours spent typing feverishly about everything. This man knew be better than anyone in the world. I was convinced he was my Soul Mate and that I was in love with him. He came to see me a few times in California. I had always believe that true love conqured all. There was no doubt in my mind that if he was in love with me too, then we would be together...no matter what. Well..he said he was in love with me. I was so happy. I remember it like it happened yesterday. Ok, so..he loves me, now what? I quickly found out. Nothing. He didn't want to leave Canada, I, of course couldn't go with the custody sharing of my son. So..that was it. My heart was broken and it was going to take time to heal, but I had learned so many things. He was the most intelligent person I'd met in my life..and the time we spent together was priceless.

I've seen many, many really bad scenes with online romances. People fall quickly, madly and deeply for someone they've met. There are many people out there who get so tied up in the moment that they forget the reality of the situation...something they've not been quite upfront with to the person they are involved in...they have a family at home.
It quickly goes to what they thought would just be fun and fantasy to a situation they can no longer control. I've seen people just totally disappear from an online love relationship leaving the other person devistated. One story that actually happened to someone from my old room was one of this guy who staged his own real time death. He had a friend call his online partner and tell her that he had died in a car accident. Eventually she found out that his death, along with about 80% of what she thought she knew about him was completely inaccurate.

Ok, anyway, back to me...After my Canada Libra guy made his decision I was torn up and had decided that I would never get involved like that online. I was very sad one evening and I wanted to talk to someone..I wanted to make sure the person was closer to my time zone, the 3 hour distance can be hell. So..I saw a guy using the nick "Blind in Texas"...I thought, well, that's a little closer. Long story short.
He wasn't in Texas. He was in New York. That was 4 years ago. Now he lives right here, with me. It is so right that it could have only been planned by the universe.

Of course nothing worth anything is easy.
It has been a really positive experience for me, and the relationship only seems to get better.

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CancerianMoon
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posted November 05, 2003 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CancerianMoon     Edit/Delete Message
WOW...thanks firestar for sharing...i am so happy that u have found someone u connect with..what a device the computer can be..
u know ..i think it is a great way to meet ppl..though u do have to be aware that lying is a little easier on the internet..just keeping ur eyes open,as in any relationship is best..i am still planning a future meeting with my gemini..god willing...it wont be too much longer...

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The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
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sthenri
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posted November 08, 2003 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I have heard too of wives trying to make their husbands jealous by finding partners on the internet and vice versa. I would make sure you are not being used for that purpose. It's very easy to do. I can imagine it would be tough for a sensitive person and could see this happening to a Libra or Gemini because socially they are shy with the one on one thing and yet love to talk and be with someone.

I know myself that I have been made jealous often by non existent other women, but then I am a Taurus and naturally suspicious. Libras and Geminis are masters at innuendos, to keep you guessing. I think for earth signs it's harder because we have to really know who you are.

Natasha

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Kat Smeow
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posted November 08, 2003 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat Smeow     Edit/Delete Message
Hi everyone,

I have been chatting for a few years now, and have encountered both interesting and scary people. Currently, I am in a difficult position. I met someone in the spring of this year. We seem to hit it off in every way. He wanted me to move to be near him (about 1000 miles away). I love where I live, and even though I planned to move, I didn't. We "broke up". He recently lost his job, and has now enlisted in the armed forces. We still communicate online or by phone daily, a few times a day. I asked him last week if he still loved me, and he said "as much as ever". It's torturous for us both, and with the army thing, things look worse. He's positive we belong together. I'm thinking I should stop trying to think about it, that it will only end up being another heartbreak that I seem to take so hard.

They are real relationships, and I know of several people who have met on the net, and ended up married. I think you get to know someone better through this method, getting to know them before your eyes see them. Of course there are predators and liars, but my heart always subltely picked them out before they got too far.

Ok, Im babbling now. Hehe. Just putting in my two cents.

Love,
Kat

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bewitched
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posted November 10, 2003 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bewitched     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Zoka

Since the year 2000 I've lost so much love. First there was my true love, than my soulmate and finally my twinflame. Right now I feel like I died inside; like a star that died. I was suppose to ascend with my twinflame but although he said he loved me he left. I thought what you told the others was extremly impressive and accurate. Can you please find it in your heart to help me also. I don't know how God can let this happen to me, there is no justification ever for what happened. It was beyond cruel.(I know these are not things that are meant to be said out loud but I need to ask for help in understanding this). I can't ever forgive my loves or love again. My soulmate was a Gemini-May 28,1977 born in Denizili, Turkey but I don't know the time; who I'm really curious about is my twinflame he was a Sagittarius-Dec 4,1980 at 4:00 AM born in Sousse, Tunisia. I'm a Capricorn born-Jan 13,1962 at 5:05 PM, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Did my twinflame really love me, my heart and soul says he did. And will we ever be together again, although I can't imagine myself forgiving him, it's now to late. If not is there any hope for love for me ever again. Is there any indication in my chart about the ascension, it just finished. There must be I waited for this for all my lifetimes, I know I sense it.

With all my heart

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bewitched
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posted November 10, 2003 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bewitched     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Zoka

Since the year 2000 I've lost so much love. First there was my true love, than my soulmate and finally my twinflame. Right now I feel like I died inside; like a star that died. I was suppose to ascend with my twinflame but although he said he loved me he left. I thought what you told the others was extremely impressive, accurate and wise. Can you please find it in your heart to help me also. I don't know how God can let this happen to me, there is no justification ever for what happened. It was beyond cruel.(I know these are not things that are meant to be said out loud but I need to ask for help in understanding this). I can't ever forgive my loves or love again. My soulmate was a Gemini-May 28,1977 born in Denizili, Turkey but I don't know the time; who I'm really curious about is my twinflame he was a Sagittarius-Dec 4,1980 at 4:00 AM born in Sousse, Tunisia. I'm a Capricorn born-Jan 13,1962 at 5:05 PM, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Did my twinflame really love me, my heart and soul says he did. And will we ever be together again, although I can't imagine myself forgiving him, it's now to late. If not is there any hope for love for me ever again. Is there any indication in my chart about the ascension, it just finished. There must be I waited for this for all my lifetimes, I know I sense it.

With all my heart



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