posted December 24, 2003 04:17 AM           

I think Linda *did* include homosexuality when she said "no unnatural sexual union". In the same book (Star Signs) she explained how one could "cure" (though I don't think she put it that way) oneself of homosexuality, by earnestly wishing for a "trading" of soul pieces during the Saturn-Seven-Cycle. Someone who has the book, please post that passage for me?

...and since so many are so sensitive to this subject, I suppose I'll have to put my own disclaimer here: I have no problem with those who are attracted to people of the same sex. In fact, since my last move, 95% of the friends I have made are gay. And they are such good friends that I have spent more time in the last six months in a "gay bar" than all the time I've ever spent in other bars put together. (I rarely drink alcohol, and then only a little, so I'm not often in a bar at all... but I really like being around these people.) However, I *do* believe that homosexuality is out of synch with the polarity of the universe, and Linda's explanations work quite nicely for me. Hate me if you wanna... I won't hate you back.

posted December 24, 2003 08:19 PM         

Don't hate you, not even mad at you or anything. My point here all along has been to accept and respect each other's opinions. That's why I don't think forcing people to "like" something is ever successful.

In the same way forcing people to hate something also fails.

I agree with you to the extent that keeping the family unit stable is important. Other than that, with all the variety of sexual outlets and love unions out there, we are already playing on a level field.

Cheers

If you care to do so, expound on your thoughts and feelings. I'm interested as long as it's coming from a place of true conviction, which sounds like you are.

Good Day Holiday

.gloria

posted December 25, 2003 12:25 AM         

Page 438 =

Under 11 steps to Know It Now

".6 No sexual promiscuity. It short-circuits your soul. No unnatural sexual union - and don't pretend you don't know why. Any behavior in opposition to Nature's laws is the enemy of the natural process of physical immortality. No pornography. It sets up images that block the discovery of your own Twin Self, through the law of magnetic attraction. And you cannot become a full immortal until you have achieved union with the missing half of your Spirit, of the you-of-you....

... However, many sexual partners you may have had - or are having now - you're still empty, still lonely, and you always will be until that miracle manifests. If you've practiced negative sexual behavior in the past, forgive yourself completely then forget it. The true 'confessional' is within."

OK - this could relate to just about anything, but when taken as part of her collective writings, I think what she is trying to say is- in the big picture, in order to achieve that long-range goal of a truly loving life, that the more time you waste f***ing around, the more you'll put off a greater destiny. In order to make this our last lifetime and complete our soul's work.

I mean, you have to admit sex feels great and we think we are so clever compartmentalizing it into Victoria Secret commercials and such, but lot's of people lack discipline. And more powerful a solution than just DENYING YOURSELF that kind of pleasure, is finding that heart center and living through THAT.

I mean, that could go for any hetero behavior too.

To me she's saying to stay focused on your heart or soul center, and to "come" (pun intended) from that point.

with love & support,

.gloria

posted December 25, 2003 01:20 PM         

It comes down to this: for whatever reason, our Creators designed male and female to function together physically and to complement one another spiritually. This instinctively feels "right" to me. But homosexuality exists, and I believe it does so for the reasons Linda described. Part of the reason I like her explanation is that it fits neatly with my own beliefs and yet does not require me to judge anyone as "wrong" for behaving differently. My first name means "God is judge" (gee, like that's not a dead giveaway), and I take that as a constant reminder not to pass moral judgement on others, despite the tendencies of Venus-in-Virgo. (Yes, I have it, too, Astro -- ain't it a pain?) I try to take each human being as he or she comes, and as exactly that: a human being. We all bleed red, and we all s**t brown. We all have the same basic needs: food, clothing, shelter, and love. Granting that, how different can we really be?

And thank you for posting that passage. But it wasn't quite the one I was referring to. I think it's earlier in the book, probably in the part where she describes the Saturn-Seven-Cycle, and explains how one could "correct" an imbalance of male/female soul pieces during that time. I know it's there; I remember it clearly because it struck me how far out on a limb Linda was putting herself in these "liberated" modern times. Perhaps you could try to find it? If I'm not asking too much. I just like very much to back up the things that I say. Wouldn't want anyone thinking I was talking out my rear end.

posted December 25, 2003 11:11 PM         

I mean, that could go for any hetero behavior too.

To me she's saying to stay focused on your heart or soul center, and to "come" (pun intended) from that point. END QUOTE

Nice post Gloria. =) I very much agree. I think it's interesting to note, too, that sex with an emotional attachment is generally a lot more fulfilling than the one-night stand. At least, that's how it's been for me.

QUOTE: It comes down to this: for whatever reason, our Creators designed male and female to function together physically and to complement one another spiritually. END QUOTE

I can understand that, I think. Because I do definitely believe in polarity, so the male/female balance of sexual energies I can understand as being a possible reason why homosexuality might be, ehh...*tries to think of a non-offensive yet fitting word* =)...maybe "not the ideal for those on a spiritual path"...? But, at the same time...for folks like me who have always known deep down that I'm attracted to other women...what causes it? Because I don't believe homosexuality or bisexuality is a conscious choice (as in, not a choice that any of us made during this present incarnation). Could it maybe be a choice that the Higher Self (between incarnations) makes in order to experience things from a different perspective and therefore be able to learn and grow more as a person, or could it be a way to balance past karma...? I don't know tho...because in Linda's numerology, my compound numbers are both very positive (19 is my birth number, and 53 is my name number). Or could it be astrologically related? (I think I remember seeing a thread around here somewhere about planetary aspects in a person's chart that could possibly contribute to gay tendencies.)

As for the Saturn Seven Cycle and an imbalance of male/female soul pieces...I don't remember that part. Would someone mind posting about it on here please? =) Thank ya.

I'm also enjoying this discussion, too, Meercatt. *smiles* It's really nice to be able to talk freely about this with other people and toss ideas back and forth about it. And I appreciate all the open-mindedness and kindness that everyone has shown in this thread. You guys rock. =)

~Amber

posted December 26, 2003 12:57 AM         

Glad I said something good...

Can't find that Saturn quote... I'm giving up for now.

As for your search for an explaination, let me put it this way:

Take a blade of grass

The landscaper sees something that needs to be cut.

The scientist sees a living organism which need chloraphyl.

The artist see beautiful structure and symatry.

The insect sees a great big pole he can eat.

The dog sees something he can pee on.

The spiritualist sees something he is one with.

The developer sees something which has to be removed then replanted.

Amber, do you get what I'm saying?

It's one of those things I wish people would just let be and trust their OWN PERSONAL intuition. Do what's right for THEM. Believe what's right for THEM. You know how one month you can't eat bacon cuz you'll get cancer and the next month you're supposed to eat as much as you can to lose weight?

Homosexuals were honored in ancient Rome. Then they were sinners and given lobotomies and shock treatment. Then they had emotional problems and were forced to change. Then they were people who lacked a bond with their parent of their same gender. Then they were born that way. Then it's every guy's fantasy.

CHRIST!!!!

It doesn't matter what you read or what you hear. Meditate, find your center, listen to your inner voice and GO WITH IT...

When I had a relationship with my first girlfriend, I was 27 years old. Before then I didn't understand women as well. Afterwards I could attain comraderie with women. For me it was an evolution in that way as well as many other ways.

How do I love thee? Let me count the ways.

with love & support,

.gloria

posted December 26, 2003 01:54 AM         

"The brain may take advice, but not the heart, and love having no geography, knows no boundaries: weight and sink it deep, no matter, it will rise and find the surface: and why not? any love is natural and beautiful that lies within a person's nature; only hyprocrites would hold a man responsible for what he loves, emotional illiterates and those of righteous envy, who, in their agitated concern, mistake so frequently the arrow pointing to heaven for the one that leads to hell."

--Truman Capote, in Other Voices, Other Rooms

posted December 26, 2003 11:48 PM         

.gloria

posted December 28, 2003 05:18 PM         

Yup, love is love is love is love. And sex is sex is sex is sex. Have more of both.

Anyone remember Lenny Bruce? I discovered a book about him when I was in HS. Can't give you the exact quote, but it went something like this:

"One person, two people, three, none of that is dirty. The only dirty thing you can do to a body is kill it."

And I would agree, so long as you're speaking of consenting adults.

posted January 10, 2004 03:46 PM         

"this is true, even as you have stated -- yes"

"and then, since this is so
would the intense desire to become a transexual, through surgery
be caused by an over emphasis on one's sexuality
not of the Body Temple
but of the Soul pieces...with one's Soul containing
either too many masculine pieces...or too many feminine?"

"you have oversimplified this
but in its essence, it is true"

"then the way to overcome such desires
assuming one should wish to do so, is to..."

"is to reach attunement with one's own Higher S-elf
and communicate the desire for a balance
between masculine and feminine in the Soul pieces"

"which may only be ordered at the Saturn-Seven-cycle
..."

--from Gooberz, Canto Twenty

***

posted January 10, 2004 07:28 PM         

So it's all a matter of degrees. Some are that way naturally. Some do a little tweaking here and there. Some love their uniqueness, and some run to the operating table. It's in THEIR heart and we cannot know. Some stories are like catipillar to butterfly stories. Really amazing.

My ex-girlfriend was extremely drop dead gorgeous, but handsome at the same time. Quite an amazing blend. Sort of like Xena Warrior Princess, except blonde. I felt so safe with her. And in private moments, she let her delicate vulnerable side show.

.gloria

posted January 11, 2004 08:05 PM         

In recollecting all the transgendered friends I had, none were attracted to the opposite sex.

Does anyone watch the Drew Carey Show? Isn't Drew's brother (transgender) married to a woman?

I don't remember, but if someone does please let us know.

Thanks!

Aphrodite

posted January 11, 2004 08:40 PM         

There are shades of difference between transgendered, and transvestites, etc., and I use them as terms of convienence.

There are men who are heterosexual who enjoy dressing in women's clothing. There are homosexuals who like to dress in drag.

One of my favorite comedians, Eddie Izzard, is straight and wears twice the make-up that I do. And I watched a video of him standing in 3 inch wedge heels for 90 minutes!