posted December 21, 2003 02:22 PM         

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"All you have to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to you."

posted December 21, 2003 03:02 PM         

Linda believed we have both male and female energies. So I take it you've never had a same-sex experience...

But that ain't my biz...

If you study biology really well, you will find that it is not "abnormal" for people to be born one sex in their minds and another sex physically. Unless you are one of those who would patent that gene in order to correct the "problem" in future clones...

And I guess you WOULD want them to have equal rights because you would have labeled them as being people who are not equal to begin with.

How about marching down the streets in favor of bi-sexual rights to equality. The PRO-ACTIVE gays seem to have a problem with THEM. I guess it never ends.

What about someone who has one "black" and one "white" (as common labels are used) parent? What ARE they? How about if one parent is half "black" and half "hispanic". What did they spawn? What checkmark should they check on the census?

How about a fat, drug addicted, homosexual, Heinz-57 female with no education? How would you define equal rights for her?

I'm really interested in your premise. I mean, I REALLY want to know...

.gloria

posted December 21, 2003 07:36 PM         

(I know that's explicit. Sorry. )

posted December 22, 2003 12:45 AM         

Wow. *Blinks* erm, sorry? That was a bit uncalled for. You're reading a bit too far into my words. I didn't mean any offense. I thought of making this thread last night when I was in a chat room full of homophobes that were saying that homosexuals were abnormal perverts that needed to go to hell and was trying to clarify where I stood. My definition of normal is: a person of the human race. After coming out of the chat that I did, I felt neccasary to state that I did think homosexuals (and bisexuals, but I'll get onto that in a bit) are human beings and not spawns of Satan.

And where in my post did I state that bisexuals are smarmy dungheads that don't deserve to breath the same air I do? Just because I didn't recognize them doesn't mean the latter astro junkie. I'm sorry if I offended you.

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And I guess you WOULD want them to have equal rights because you would have labeled them as being people who are not equal to begin with.

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I don't mean to use brash terms, but are you living under a rock? In America there's much talk of a bill banning homosexual marriages nation-wide. When I said that they should have equal rights, I was addressing the conflicts that are going on in the US now. I don't *label* human beings.

*Takes a deep breath*

I'm honestly very sorry if my post seemed hypocritical or rude to you. That wasn't my intent.

posted December 22, 2003 12:55 PM         

It's nice to know you spent time in a chat room where they bashed homosexuals, bi-sexuals, transsexuals, cross-dressers, pre-op sexuals, transvestites, lipstick lesbians, circle jerkers, and dildo-wearing love freaks.

Thanks for clarifying that.

with love & support,

.gloria

posted December 22, 2003 01:22 PM         

.gloria

posted December 22, 2003 01:37 PM           

Please, let's not bring negative energies to Lindaland!

What started out as simply a misunderstanding (this was clear by the second post) has escalated - needlessly - into something beneath the both of you. For shame! Forgive yourselves and each other, and let it go.

Please? Pretty please?

posted December 22, 2003 01:58 PM         

Wrong answer.

The answer to what all this has to do with astrology is:

Mercury is in retrograde...
December 17 2003 thru January 6 2004

HEE! HEE! HEE!

Astrology can even help explain the most mundane aspects of life... incredible discovery, isn't it?

with love & support,

.gloria

posted December 22, 2003 02:40 PM         

Well! Look at the city of where I'm from.

I don't know what Linda's thoughts were about homosexuality.

As for what I know --- couple issues exist for all gender mixes!!! Dang ya'll --- the drama transcends regardless of who you want to tango with! I think a better question to ask Linda is if she thinks Gaydar actually exists. Because all my gay, lesbian, bi and transgender friends sure do think so!

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posted December 22, 2003 03:41 PM         

WE DO have gaydar. When I first saw the topic "Homosexuality" in here, I thought it was going to be about which signs have "gay energy". But that would be to easy, eh?

As a matter of fact, I'll start that thread now...

Check it out!

.gloria

posted December 22, 2003 09:26 PM         

It's a been a real problem for my Libra, because Libras are ultra conservative underneath although they hide it. I have found big fights exist around the topic, no matter how mundane for some people. There are people who will walk out of a room with gay people in it, which is sad for me because being an artist half my life is with gay men and the other half with those who wish they were gay to get better discounts.

Probably the only reason I am not gay is men's cologne which affects me very strongly because of my neptune in the 12th trine my moon and north node. I know other Pisces people who say the same, scents drive them crazy.

posted December 22, 2003 11:10 PM         

That's just the point... you DIDN'T offend me. Some people are very comfortable with who they are.

Esthenri:

Women with an Aries Sun, Moon, Venus or Asc. drive me crazy in a good way.

.gloria

posted December 23, 2003 05:01 AM         

Now, let me get on topic....

Although this is a really controversial/sensitive area, I'm glad that someone brought it up (this is actually something I've been wanting to discuss with all of you spiritually inclined folks here at LL, but I never got up the nerve to post about it). So, here goes...I'm a chick who likes other chicks. =] I refrain from using the term "lesbian", first off because I think a lot of times the word has a really negative connotation, but also, I haven't concluded if I'm gay or possibly bisexual--all I know is that I'm romantically attracted to other women, and I've been aware of this since I was in elementary school, although I wasn't actually able to give a label to what I was feeling until I became a teenager.

Being a spiritually-minded person, and with so much religious doctrine telling me that I was going to burn in hell and that I was damned, for a long time I had a major internal conflict about these feelings. Eventually I was able to come to terms with myself, realizing that I am who I am, and that this is something ingrained in me, not something that I consciously chose to feel. So, my issue/concern/question is this...are homosexual feelings/actions really spiritually detrimental? And please, I mean no offense to anyone by asking this. The reason why I am asking is because, while reading Star Signs (which I completely fell in love with the first time I read it), Linda's writing really resonated within me, it felt RIGHT. But when I got to the section at the end of the book on Physical Immortality, and I read, in Step #6, "...No unnatural sexual union. And don't pretend you don't know why. Any behavior in opposition to Nature's laws is the enemy of the NATURAL process of physical immortality," I was crushed. =[ I assumed that Linda was referring not only to gettin' down nasty-style with sheeps and such, but was also talking about homosexuality, since so many people actually refer to it as "unnatural." So, is Linda saying what I think she's saying...? Will being in a gay relationship with someone, even if it's a loving relationship not based on sex, keep me from achieving physical immortality? And again, I really hope I haven't offended anyone by asking this, but it was something that I was sincerely wondering about. Thoughts/comments/opinions, etc? Please tell me what you honestly feel in regards to this, because it's something that I've struggled with for awhile. Thanks =)

~Amber

Btw, for anyone who's curious, I'm a Sun Pisces/7th house, Moon Virgo/1st house, and Virgo rising.

posted December 23, 2003 10:14 AM         

I was just a bit taken aback by that comment in Star Signs too. Although I am not gay, I never saw what all the fuss was about. Always seemed perfectly normal to me. I think Linda's opinion stems from a widly held belief among spirtually minded folk in the Polarity of the Universe. Ying and Yang, As a above so below, and all of that. At least at first glance, homosexuality does not quite jive with that philosophy. Still, I don't think being gay is detrimental to anyone's spiritual health. The search for Truth can led us down what might appear to be strange paths. But there is a reason for it. You MUST follow what your heart's dictates. Otherwise it is a wasted life. Allow your soul to explore whatever it feels it needs to explore. Trust your feelings. Follow them. They will led you to the right place. "Their Grace has led us this far, Their Grace will led us home"

posted December 23, 2003 12:09 PM         

Being able to love another truely, regardless og gender, is a wonderful thing.

Glad to have you here, please feel free to post any and all thoughts, questions, and comments.

As far as rectums being for p******, I seem to know hetrosexuals who are into a little anal sex.

Love * Light

posted December 23, 2003 01:06 PM         

No, regardless of what Linda's personal prejudices may or may not have been, what she meant by that is NO SEX WITHOUT LOVE, i.e. no sexual promiscuity. And she did mention same sex unions in a positive Light here and there in Gooberz.

Yes, Lanny, some 20 percent of heterosexuals engage in that practice.

posted December 23, 2003 09:13 PM         

Hey Exis:

We are family...
I gotta just say that anytime references are made throughout history about the no-no's of "homosexual behavior", from what I've read, which has been relatively extensive, it's really geared towards males cuz no staight male in their right mind would ban woman love.

On the other side of the coin, as someone who also loves men, it would be a sad sad world if all the straight men went STRICTLY gay!! But then, that would force women to hook up with each other more.... hmmmmm...

I think even the most conservative present-day people don't hate gays because unless you're living in a hole in the ground,

you know gays who are good people. I just think the point they want to address and keep afloat is the breakdown of the family unit, basically, the foundation.

Example, you know how you never meet a child who's HAPPY their parents got a divorce? Or even adults who still can't get over it? Deep down inside, we all want that. It's just a natural internal longing.

Not everyone can handle merging an alternative lifestyle into a good fondation. I know people who can and do so just fine. But it's like pot. Some people can smoke a doobie and then get straight A's on their tests and be productive people.

Then some people just cannot maintain themselves at all!! I know you know what I mean. We are not all made for one particular recreation or lifestyle. So I think that's what the worry is with conservatives and the possible breakdown of the family unit.

I think being attracted to another female is TOTALLY natural, and I think most women wouldn't mind getting turned out by someone they really liked, but they might not admit it. I was super nervous my first time. JUST my first time though... and I ended up having a 5-year relationship with her!

But now I'm into other things...

.gloria

posted December 24, 2003 12:36 AM         

This may sound weird at first, but I don't feel comfortable in exclusively gay clubs. It's like sitting at the back of the bus. You know? You walk in and it's all like "we are gay and we are proud damn it", and by the time midnight or 1am rolls around, and they've had one too many, their neurotic side is dramatically on display, and we are all supposed to understand, afterall, it's hard being gay...

You know what I mean?

I'm the MOST comfortable at clubs where it is known to be TOTALLY mixed. Gays & straights and everything in between all recognize each other yet everyone is cool with it. I'd say in more cosmopolitan areas it is more common, whereas rural areas are still struggling with the whole concept.

In Orlando we have Firestone Club and Southern Nights.

When I was in high school 1976-1979, there were openly gay students and teachers, and it was just OK. Some were blood relatives of other students. There was no drama and no need to bear down. Equal rights? Whatever...

I really thought that by now, 25 years later, people would have gotten the concept. It's bazaar, if you drive from Miami towards the north, you might as well be in a time machine.

I'm in Orlando cuz there's less crime,less stress. But you sacrifice progressive thinking and culture. Oh well. I'm just a struggling writer and healer who mostly keeps to herself anyway...

I'm babbling...

.gloria