posted April 07, 2004 11:13 AM         

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Libra 14°36'29
2nd House Scorpio 13°11'08
3rd House Sagittarius 16°27'03
Imum Coeli Capricorn 19°43'02
5th House Aquarius 21°23'32
6th House Pisces 19°55'36
Descendant Aries 14°36'29
8th House Taurus 13°11'08
9th House Gemini 16°27'03
Medium Coeli Cancer 19°43'02
11th House Leo 21°23'32
12th House Virgo 19°55'36

Do you see that icky Saturn, opposing all our personal intimate planets?
I Thought I'd share this... and ask your opinion.
How do you think this would manifest? I feel that, no matter what, at a basic level, no matter how he behaves, or what he says, or doesn't say, I feel that he doesn't really see me.. he sees a version of me, but is embarrassed about who I am, for lack of a better term.. that he 'tolerates' me, but adores me, you know? Like a kid brother who hangs around driving you crazy, and even though you love him, you just want to kick him, and roll your eyes, when they go on and on about something.. THAt kind of feeling. It is on the unconscious level, a current that ALWAYS comes up.. I feel like he stifles me and never truly supports me, even though we actually have a pretty good and equal relationship. It is a feeling....
You think it's Saturn? We have alot of really nice aspects too....
Fourth house contacts
Pluto conjunct asc.
Jupiter opp. asc.

posted April 07, 2004 01:34 PM         

Just off the top of my head, I know you have some strong Cappy in your chart, and he is an Aries, so immediately we know we have squares in the synastry. What does his Saturn to do you in the synastry comparison? Does it square your ascendant? Because that's what it sounds like.

posted April 07, 2004 05:18 PM         

Some of our synastry......( no particlar order)
His sun (Aries) conjunct both our chiron
Moon conjunct Moon ( Both Capricorn,Mine sixth house, his first)
His sun square both our Moon
His Sun trine my Ascendant ( Aries/Leo)
His Mars (Gemini)sextile my Asc.
His Mars oppose my Venus ( Sagittarius)
His Venus(Pisces) Square Venus
His Venus trine Mars (Scorpio)
Saturn sextile Saturn
His Neptune conjunct my Venus and my Neptune (his twelfth, my fifth)

My Sun conjunct His Uranus Retrograde
My Venus conjunct his Ascendant

His Saturn in his natal chart is conjunct his Mars in Gemini in the last degrees of the eleventh ( so technically, twelfth, right?)
My Saturn in my natal chart is Conjunct my Ascendant.( first house, of course...)

posted April 07, 2004 06:03 PM         

Did you actually do the astro.com "interactive click" thing to get the interpretations on all that? It's really good and will tell you a lot. I recommend to do it...

Also, I can see where you'd look at that Composite and sort of freak. So much Cap!!

What I've learned so far about this which may apply here is that all this Cap will do two things. One, will reduce spontaneity in your relationship. But two, will make it more stable and long-lasting. That if the person(s) are normally very structured and disciplined, it won't be such a bother.

But if the person(s) are normally act more "on the fly", then the Saturian influences makes them feel suppressed, and they rebel.

posted April 07, 2004 06:06 PM         

ON the other hand...I KNOW a few Aries people, and they are impatient with people in general. They tend to have short attention spans in conversations and prefer them to revolve around something about them, or their interests. So, don't take it too personally if he rolls his eyes and stares at the ceiling as you're carrying on about his 11th house Neptune, or some such thing...Or if he gets snarky...remember Aries loves to fight.

Also, what's going on in HIS progressed chart and/or current transits?

posted April 07, 2004 08:09 PM         

"... have recently embraced your mutual and prospective partners... 'settled' your inward struggles for now..." ???

NOPE!

What's my secret?

I'm head-over-heels in love with Libra guy, and he's giving me lots of mixed messages lately. I'm about to go insane, is all. No wonder I go through months of celibacy after each one of these!

I wish I could just be Sleeping Beauty. Someone wake me up when they decide they really want me...

posted April 08, 2004 12:17 AM         

Cool Pixel -

BTW - My progressed chart is now Scorpio Sun, Mercury, Venus & Neptune. Aquarius Moon.

Of course it's about being vulnerable, but it's also something else. I have such a loyal heart with whoever I'm with. It's like even months after we break up, I'd still feel like I needed to be faithful. And then I pick it apart and analyze everything until I feel closure.

Like with Libra guy. I couldn't be with him unless I knew I was over Taurus. When I was younger, I'd solve this problem by just sleeping with someone new right away to sort of forget the other person, or at least have new things to worry about. And I don't mean starting another relationship, I mean just sleeping. But I'm not capable of that anymore.

As for telling Libra I love him, I have every intention of telling him that my feelings for him have taken me by big surprise and so forth, IF I ever see him again. He has to make the next move, hands down.

Is he being wacky cuz he's in love with me? I HOPE SO!! He's liked me for over a year, and maybe it's just starting to hit him, he's got me.

posted May 10, 2004 10:41 AM         

I look at this one, and it looks like a kite. There's a strong running theme in the center of it, but there is also balance and containment.

That would be my first "impression", and then I'll look a little futher, but not too much as I'm only dealing with a subtle impression, and look at the main signs involved. I see the points in the "balancing" part are in opposite signs of Libra & Aries, which at a glance sort of says to me, this is a relationship that goes through periods of harmony and bliss, but also goes through "all or nothing" periods.

For the little triangle on the side, I only looked at the planets involved, Pluto, Mars & Neptune. Again, going as a gut impression, it says to me that the decisions and motivations are based on hidden subconscious drives, and while decisions may not be thoroughly thought out, actions are geared towards a haziness.

The last thing I observed is that crazy emphasis going up the middle, from Cancer to Capricorn. It speaks "destiny" to me. Together for better or worse. Not to dwell on your feelings to much cuz life goes on.

Anyways, I recently ran across an article by an astrologist who was saying they do the same thing, taking a visceral glance of the wheel and the shapes therein. I didn't want to see it too much from THEIR side, because to me, it's just about a gut feeling and my own instincts.

Did my impressions comes close to the general tone and direction of your situation Pixel? I'm curious, and this is the first time I actually try this out with feedback.

If I'm way off, that's fine. I'll just be sure not to quit my day job.

*hugs*

posted May 10, 2004 02:59 PM         

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But do I do it to purposefully make myself suffer, or do I do it for my growth?

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posted May 10, 2004 06:12 PM         

Venus in Pisces is very cuddly and a home body, you may want to get out more. It's a fact, that we need time apart from someone if we feel smothered. Those feelings are real, they are not good or bad, it's not black and white.

Can you take time away from each other?
Venus in Pisces is very much attached to friends, but it's impossible to be all things to someone,
we all have to grow sometime,

posted May 10, 2004 06:54 PM         

I have no idea if this current relationship should last for you or not, but I am wondering about something else as I read your posts through though.

From the way you write in a lot of them, both in this thread and in others, I honestly get the feeling that you might not be happy with anyone in the long term sense, like in the sense of the long term sense that I mean here being in the sense of 'till death do us part' etc.... until you somehow manage to find a way to kind of accomplish two major things in your own life beforehand first, which are....

For one, I wonder if you need to work on somehow 'grounding' all of your enormous energies more....

and two, I wonder if you need to kind of work on correlating / integrating all of your diverse energies into one more cohesive package inside of your self as well.

Frankly, it does sound like you are fairly scattered sometimes and I just don't know, it sounds like you are just not sure how to find what you want on all levels in ANY one person, whether this person is your current husband or if this person is another person that you might meet in the future somewhere after you leave him anyway.

I guess what I am trying to say is that sure, it might be the best thing in the world for you to leave this relationship if things don't turn around for you within it soon, but....

oh gosh, am I going to step on your toes if I use this next word again, I hope not, lol....

but personally, lol....

I frankly really get the impression that the same thing which has happened for you in this relationship might be just as likely to happen for you in your next one if you don't try to achieve more grounding and balanced centeredness within yourself before you enter into another commitment anyway.

True, some people, seem to just not be the 'marrying kind' and they are not able to ever 'settle down' with any one person for their whole life.

Maybe you are one of these said people, which is all well and good if that's what you want.

But then again, if you really do want to have a more long term thing going on with someone, I am of the belief that people really do need to find a way to solidly experience their total identity within their lives for themselves first beforehand, if they then want to attract that one person who will be able to satisfy them on all of the levels which they need to be satisfied on.

I think it kind of goes back to that theory about 'like attracts like'... for me.

And so, maybe if you are living out that grounded experience of harnessing and expressing all of your diverse energies ( be they artistic, psychic, child rearing, home cooking, or whatever they are ), in a solid, practical way, then maybe perhaps you doing that will finally attract that one person who will be attracted to and supportive and compatible with every single one of those energies which you possess inside, and not only be those things with just some of those energies instead.

And then after you find that person, you might finally be able to make that commitment to one another that you both want to make with each other, because all of that said diverse energy of yours is being expressed in such a grounded way this time, and groundedness is one of the key ingredients that someone needs to make a long term commitment last, I think.

BTW, if it were me in your shoes, and what you have described to us were going on in my own relationship for that length of time, I would be very, very tempted to end it too.

I would hate to hurt my mate as well, but I don't believe in staying with someone when my heart isn't truly in it, as I feel it's really very unfair to them to be living with someone who doesn't really have the truest love in their heart for them but....

the one thing which keeps me from fully advising you to do that so soon is your son though.

Divorce can be deeply traumatic for children, and it's not a decision that should be taken very lightly when they are involved in it this way.

But of course, I also don't think that the situation as you describe it can go on indefinitely with your son in the middle of it all either.

Because children, you know, they do know when things are 'off' like that.

They do well know when the parents have lost their heart for things, because they sense it through their third eye etc.... much more easily than we do as we get older.

Well, Good Luck to you....

And I really hope that I came across with my points in a way that didn't tick you off so much this time too! Lol.

Love And Light!

Playful

posted May 10, 2004 08:55 PM         

Just remember that us brave singles out here have our bad times too, only, we go it alone. The grass isn't always greener, but I can relate to your curiousity as to "if there's more"...

posted May 10, 2004 10:03 PM         

I HAVE AN IDEA!

I have this AWESOME numerology book which goes beyond what you might usually think of as numerology and manages to truly combine all of the energies of your date of birth into one really well thought out explanation of your life purpose for you.

It's not gospel, of course, but I am really willing to type all of it out for you if you want to know what it says for your birth number though.

THIS INFO. IS REALLY HELPFUL, I THINK.

So, what is your DOB again?

posted May 10, 2004 11:13 PM         

You won't regret it if you let me type this for you.

I think it would be great to see what it says in regards to whether lifetime commitments are really for you or not after all.

Talk Soon.

Playful

posted May 10, 2004 11:37 PM         

I hope you don't mind me posting this already, but I have a book called The Hidden World Of Birthdays by Judith Turner....

and just going by your date of birth all on it's own, minus the year for it, it says that....

"You have the need to dig deeply into everything. Getting to the bottom of things is your specialty, and you pursue it in careers such as scientist, chemist, astronomer, ASTROLOGER, paralegal, or inventor. For you, solving problems is as important and natural as breathing. You love to read history and are likely to make it."

Now here is where it gets very interesting to me, lol....

"You have no problem catching the hearts of others - deciding the next step in relationships, however, will always seem crippling. YOU SIMULTANEOUSLY FEAR AND YEARN FOR A SOLID COMMITMENT. You are far too difficult for even you to figure out. You tend to look for problems even when none exist, but you refuse to be honest about your concerns. You tend to run from conflict. You need calm and peace so much that you force others to keep silent when open discussion would be more healing.

YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND ON MAJOR ISSUES THREE TIMES A DAY. Your home is your castle, and you will always feel more secure when there. Your optimism makes it easy for others to believe that things will get better in time. You are too intense and easily overwhelmed by sentiment. Your kindhearted generosity will complicate your life in ways you can't imagine. You readily agree to help, but often don't follow through. Eventually, you will be a huge success in more than one area. You may accomplish more in one lifetime than most do in several."

So, from what I know of you, I think that really sounds like you a lot in certain ways.

Let me know the year along with your DOB because THAT other book not only gives you insight, but it also gives you some incredible advice about how to best live out your life purpose according to the numbers that you are here to work through as well.

Ok, later pixel!

I hope all this helped you just a little bit.

Playful

posted May 11, 2004 10:09 AM         

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You tend to run from conflict. You need calm and peace so much that you force others to keep silent when open discussion would be more healing.

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posted May 18, 2004 12:33 AM         

Well, finally, lol. It's about time I got back to this, lol.

Ok, I think that you will find this pretty interesting. It might be a lot longer than what you were expecting, so please pull up a comfy chair while you digest all of this, why don't you? Lol

You are working what this book calls the "34/7" life path.

This is determined by adding your birthdate all together in the following way....

It is 10/28/1976.

So we go like this....

1 + 0 + 2 + 8 + 1 + 9 + 7 + 6 = 34.

3 + 4 = 7.

Our final life path number in this case then is 34/7.

I knew that we were likely to find a 4 in there somewhere, because that is the number which most directly correlates to building and maintaining foundations through your commitment to their process and upkeep.

So, according to this book, your life path combines these 3 "vibrations."

7: Trust and Openness

4: Stability and Process

3: Expression and Sensitivity

Understanding Life Purpose

Those on the 34/7 or 43/7 life path are here to work through issues of trust, patience, and emotional expression and to have faith in the spiritual process operating within their life, establishing security by finding practical ways to contribute to others. Both these life paths present the opportunity of blending the incisive mind of 7's with the down-to-earth practicality of mature 4's and the sensitivity and expressiveness of 3's.

Because of the influence of 4, finding a sense of communion or unconditional trust depends on 34/7's and 43/7's following a step-by-step process of self-discovery. The deeper they go inside, the farther 34/7's and 43/7's see outside.

Since our life path always offers some tests and hurdles, 34/7's and 43/7's may feel their energies in conflict, polarized, and pulling in different directions: While 7 tends to pull them "upward," into the higher mind or in some cases into metaphysical interests and practices, 4 tends to pull them "downward," into daily life, family, and practical business concerns. As these 7 and 4 energies mature and integrate, they form a powerful synthesis, enabling 34/7's and 43/7's to build a kind of bridge between heaven and Earth in creative ways, such as making money while bringing more beauty, happiness, or awareness into the world.

Most 34/7's and 43/7's closely resemble one another, except for the reverse order of the first two numbers; while 4 predominates with the primary 7 for 34/7's, 3 predominates with the primary 7 for 43/7's. Because of this, 34/7's experience more acutely issues dealing with stability and process in relation to self-trust; they confront a stronger tendency to skip steps, with secondary drives and issues related to expression and self-doubt. In contrast, 43/7's deal less with process issues and more with emotional sensitivity, including issues of expression and self-doubt, which make them slower to come to self-trust; therefore, 43/7's generally find their confidence later in life. Other than these rising and falling influences, both these life paths include the same fundamental energies, which interact to form powerful, sensitive, insightful individuals and challenging as well as versatile life issues.

Both 34/7's and 43/7's are here to harmonize apparent opposites and to blend practicality and mysticism, outer and inner experience, flesh and spirit, worldly business and spiritual pursuits. They sometimes accomplish this through a "spiritual business," whether associated with a particular religion or, for example, selling books or teaching seminars devoted to themes of religion, spirituality, or personal growth.

Whether or not 34/7's and 43/7's work in holistic business enterprises, they are here to bridge two worlds. The 3 indicates a drive for expression, and for uplifting others while living fully in the world rather than in a monastery, ashram, or forest.

Generally, 34/7's and 43/7's feel safer in the realm of the mind because of their exceptional analytical abilities, but they also have powerful emotions. They can act emotionally compulsive or impulsive, but the emotional sensitivity of 3 helps balance their mental energy.

Both 34/7's and 43/7's experience a drive toward security, toward family, and toward business. Confronting issues in the area of foundations ( 4 ) means that they have to learn to ground themselves in the practical realities of life, which helps balance the imagination and flights of fancy of 7 and 3. They need to fulfill the practical part of their life and establish a stable base from which to build, step-by-step, a "staircase to Spirit." For 34/7's and 43/7's, a step-by-step stairway is a more apt metaphor than a springboard, because their life will rise or fall on the strength of their foundation and the care they take along their journey. A skipped step sends them tumbling back into self-doubt and isolation.

People working these two life paths share 7 energy with 25/7's, but they have stronger emotional energy because of the 3. Like 25/7's, neither 34/7's nor 43/7's, by tendency, fully trust their feelings. They have fears and expectations that they will be misunderstood, so they don't share, which in turn creates misunderstandings. By applying the Law of Expectations, they can turn this tendency around, forming positive expectations and working toward positive outcomes.

Working 34/7 or 43/7 in the Positive

Strong, practical, physical, and spiritual, these individuals have learned to trust the mystery and wisdom of life working through them and through everyone else. These freethinkers trust in the process of their life, including the ups and downs, the difficulties and joys. Meditation, which quiets their mind, brings a sense of harmony and peace as a regular part of their life. Combining worldly interests with a commitment toward inner growth, these individuals dedicate their work, relationships, and activities to growth and awakening. They share their insightful nature based on direct experience and feel connected to Spirit even while pursuing the practical concerns of daily life.

Working 34/7 or 43/7 in the Negative

These individuals feel torn between conflicting drives for security and desires to go inward and get away from the material world. Confused and troubled by a human world they don't trust, they see hypocrisy everywhere, reflecting the turmoil they feel inside. Self-doubt only aggravates self-trust issues, so they constantly look for teachers, techniques, and ideas that can help them; they become wandering spiritual vagabonds, seldom putting down roots long enough for anything to grow in their lives. Alternately, they want nothing to do with "crazy" spiritual things. Even though they may appear sociable and gregarious, they are wary of sharing their feelings and end up feeling alone.

Relationships

In the positive, 34/7's and 43/7's bring stability, constancy, and feeling quality to their relationships. The 3 softens their tendency to stay mental. As long as they have developed open, honest communication and associated trust with their partner, their relationship thrives.

Trust issues for 34/7's and 43/7's center on a subtle, underlying sense of feeling uncomfortable. They're not entirely relaxed when they're with others; it's as if they might say the wrong thing, which they sometimes set themselves up to do.

The quality of their relationships and their sexual life depends upon openness, trust, and the vulnerability to share their feelings and "let go" to the point of ecstatic intimacy. Although they enjoy the comforts of home and family, these strong, spiritual personalities won't always stay in relationship for the sake of internal processing and growth.

Talents, Work, and Finances

Multifaceted energies create special challenges, abilities, and opportunities for 34/7's and 43/7's. The blend of 7, 4, and 3 makes for a much stronger, more resilient life path than any single number "on it's own." Both 34/7's and 43/7's have strong creative and expressive potential, and they excel in a variety of fields, including metaphysics, martial arts, acting or producing, business, and creative writing, especially screenplays, due to their good structural sense. They do well as long as they trust themselves but stay open to feedback and take any project step-by-step.

Many 34/7's, in particular, have compulsive and impulsive spending patterns; both 34/7's and 43/7's can behave frivolously with money. Ultimately, the state of their finances depends upon the process they follow and whether they have prepared for an occupation that makes good use of their skills. If not, self-doubt leaves them doing "a little bit of this, a little bit of that."

PS - This is information gathered from a book called....

The Life You Were Born To Live -

A Guide To Finding Your Life Purpose

by Dan Millman