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sthenri
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posted June 09, 2004 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
HI, the move went by and I will be back by Friday when my computer is fixed. Yes it's in the shop. Lots of new names!

The Geminis birthday was the 7th and I have not so great news. He insisted I go and move on that day and we celebrated the day before, but when I called him to wish him happy birthday, i wanted to stay with him. He insisted I go, okay. Then he hangs up on me and says it's his ex girlfriend at the door, he's got to go. I was pretty depressed for the next two days, even though he called back and apologized. He then told me..

That he took her to dinner at his familys house because he wanted to pretend everything was okay with them for their sake. And that she was still in denial that it was over between them. So I got really angry, obviously he doesn't have the backbone to tell her he's seeing someone else, so I am sorry but my love for him is hanging by a thread right now.

Plus he seems to talk about sexual love just a little too much for my venusian tastes.

Don't worry, I'll be happy again, my moods always bounce back.

I am eager to do readings again,

Take Care,
Natasha
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Cancer Moon/8th house
Gemini Mercury/7th house
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posted June 09, 2004 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha -

You're thinking too much!

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sthenri
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posted June 10, 2004 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
But I have mercury in Gemini in the 7th!

I know, I will calm down now,

Natasha
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posted June 10, 2004 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
Sounds very reactionary to me. Your leaving...let ME push you away... I have the control over this situation....

Yep. Fix up your place. Buy some flowers. Enjoy your days...he'll be back...the question is will you want him...and that question can only be answered at the time it is asked.

I with AJ...

Stop thinkin' and go with your new flow...you have neighbors to meet and new cool hangouts to find

Love,
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posted June 10, 2004 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for purplezen     Edit/Delete Message
sthenri, you deserve someone who will be proud to be with you, not a coward who still pretends he is with his ex-girlfriend.

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posted June 10, 2004 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Natasha,


I am sorry you are dealing with this frustration. I sometimes thing my polar opposite and my sign, well we think in a way that is not as straight forward as a Taurus.

I can only identify with him in a certain way. See, I have not told my ex-husband - the Virgo- that I an engaged. I go so far as to take off my ring when I go to see him. I am only going to be in MD for another 3 months - but see, I don't want to hurt him. I know he still carries a torch for me, even though we are good friends and we made terrible spouses. I just don't want to cause more pain and frustration on his part.

Mr. Taurus knows about this. We had a long talk and he is on board with it, but I know there is a part of him that doesn't understand. In his mind he thinks "Why is she even friends with her ex?" But he also knows we do not have an intimate relationship at all - nor did we when we were married. He would not be okay with this otherwise. I know for sure he would not be agreeable if I wanted to hang out with the Ex Mr. Leo.

Now, as to the Gemini playing like things are still "okay" - that is a total red flag - I would have totally spazzed out and this Sag / Aries moon would have kicked him to the curb. Are his parents pretty old? Even if it is going to be hard on them, how will he explain the fact that you two are together when YOU are invited for dinner.

Does he enjoy this sort of manipulation from the Cancer?

Like you, I would be thinking in the same manner. I also think too much LOL...

Please keep us updated


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posted June 16, 2004 07:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Hi there, some news. The Gemini is staying with me for 4 days so we can get to know each other better. He lives 5 hours away right now.

About the Cancer, yes I think he needs some hand holding due to his Taurus Mercury, moon and mars, he likes to be patrolled, and I've noticed some territorial behavior on his part. Not really jealousy but something close. He supported the Cancer and he likes to do that, support his girlfriends so I suppose he must have expected her to be "vindictive" his word. After all her life is upside down now within a week after all his assurances and promises.

He did tell me that he can't say I love you right now because he's found it means promises..but my attitude is that if he wants to get into my bed, there is a promise made in every bed in the world so what is his motivation?

He seems tongue tied when it comes to what he wants, but he knows what he wants.
I have no doubt he can commit, but to whom? Is he just in love with himself? When I argue with him on this he usually leaves me alone for a while to cool down. I told him this weekend we need to take it slow but he doesn't seem to listen much. That has to be the mercury in Taurus.

My biggest doubt is that because he is independently wealthy and doesn't have to work is that he will be lazy and interfere with my work life. Also his values are very different from mine, while I try hard to budget he doesn't see the point.

I like my budget to be respected and I don't like to be a pain either. I am wondering if we are suited to each other at all, but his attitude is that if we are attracted to each other this much why would that matter? He doesn't see my problems much, because his life is basically sports and money management. That's great for him but I have many things to sort out this weekend.

First off, my mother is now financially independent after many years. She, a Scorpio was set to live with my sister a Sag throughout retirement.

The plan was that she would help out with her grandchildren, BUT it didn't work because my sister is stressed for money and truthfully my mother never helped out with the children or the housework. She is resentful that she would have to help at all, and my sister isn't good at confrontation with her.

Now it's my turn. So my plans are working , she will have a house of her own nearby BUT that won't be for another two months. After that I will have that off my mind and I don't plan on speaking to my mother that often for another 5 years. My life career was doing very well until she stepped back into my life and she has been sabotaging most of my efforts to get attention as she is sometimes immature and selfish.

It's not her fault that she was raised to have everything she ever wanted but she has to work for it, or get it somewhere else. It's hard dealing with a woman whose values were to find a man and settle down and that's it, since mine were always so different.

My sister has been drinking which is bad, and yelling at my mother for ruining her life lately. This has caused my mother to get defensive. I typically do not have so many family problems and I get defensive because the Gemini's family is very passive, all the women are passive ones who have no careers only husbands.

Plus I get angry because there are only rich people because there are middle class people, what possible need does he have for his money? He's never been married and has no kids, I find it hard to believe he understands hard work and I don't want to get stuck supporting another dud. My ex's family had money too and he was lazy.

If I were to get romantically involved with him, chances are he'll stick like glue.

This is one of those cases when you want to kind of, but then wish you didn't. Sort of like the main reason for one night stands, I see know why they exist, it was to leave that person alone, hence the stand alone part. I can do the one night but I don't know what he wants from me in terms of a relationship and he doesn't want to talk about it.

It's obvious though that he wants me to fill the Cancer's shoes since she was "too emotional" in his words, and "cried all the time" which he hates.

My Aqua brother is also territorial and jealous and doesn't like this situation one bit. He wanted to come stay with me on the weekends and he sees my time and energy being sucked away that could be spent on him. He is starting high school next year and really wanted my support that way.
He is even more territorial with mercury and mars in capricorn and moon in leo. So I feel guilty in a way since the Aqua brother is more important to me and he does need me.

There are different kinds of love, and I don't know what kind I am dealing with here.

Meanwhile regarding the ex, she is taking her time splitting up their things and getting very petty about stuff. She has money saved but she wanted the phone, the car, etc..I don't know why he bothers with it, but she also is staying in his house when he is gone because she doesn't have any place to live yet. I can see that will take forever.

It bothers me I have to point these things out to him, I think he enjoys having her cling, and with her right on his doorstep it's pressure toward me to be physical with him.

I get the feeling if I said no, he'd end up with her again, but he says no, he's glad he got rid of her.
He said, that after 7 years he needed a break, she was using him, and that he wanted to end it last year, meeting me was all he needed to make him long for a real relationship.

He went out and got a STD test, because I made some comment about the Cancer, and it was negative for everything they can test for. So now he's all happy! Why did I open my mouth? I am very attracted to him it's true, but at the same time I was just fooling around, does anyone know what I mean? Apparently you can't fool around with a man with all that Taurus even if he's a Gemini. It's like, I touched it, now I must own it.

Natasha
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posted June 16, 2004 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
When I mean fooling around I mean kissing and hand holding. I don't know why he needs to take it to the next level because to be honest, I like it better when it's just a little here, a little there. I guess it's a man thing.

It's sad because it will be the end of all kissing and cuddling forever, no more hand holding, only what next?

Natasha

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posted June 16, 2004 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
... how many teets did you say you have? ...

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posted June 16, 2004 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Come on be more direct..

You know I have Venus in Aries!

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posted June 16, 2004 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Natasha, I wish I was around you so I can give you a hug!

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posted June 16, 2004 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlayfulPonderingFishMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Please don't mind me because I have never been in your shoes, but if it were me, I would hold off on moving any further with him until that Cancer gets her little Crab self out of his house, lol.


It's either over in that way or it's not, you know.


I just don't think that I would sleep with him with her being in his house.


They aren't official anymore, but my gosh, to me, that's just still way too much of an interaction for him to be having with her while he tries to get into my bed too.


If I were you here, I'd tell him to finish it up with the Crab, if he wanted to then take up with the Bull.


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posted June 16, 2004 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Total Pieces     Edit/Delete Message
Wow ‘Tasha
I don’t know. It seems like with everything else you have going for you why would you want to be bothered. I know ‘attraction’ messes up everything

But seriously, it seems to me he hasn’t really broken with his ex…he may be trying too and you get to be the wedge. Now if you want to help him break free and then eventually move on then hey go for it but if this is how he deals with these types of situations…

G/T-I’m in a relationship I don’t like but I’m too scared or lazy to get out until something else comes along to attract my attention. That way I don’t have to deal with the pain of breaking up…even when it is the best thing for me…Oh look here is Natasha she’ll do for now…

He may not be thinking this but he tells you about this split and the dinner with his folks. It is almost like a warning “this is how I handle my relationships…you have been forewarned…

Do what you like Sweetie, only you know what is best for you but you deserve someone a little farther along the path of life (not in terms of years but interms of maturity and introspection…)

Love,
Amber

P.S. I hope this doesn’t sound to preachy. I don’t mean it to. You are the one who is there and I’m sure you will do what is best for you.

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posted June 16, 2004 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, I 've thought a lot about it and I have told him today that I want to go slow, until he is ready to see me as a whole person and has less on his plate. He said that he wanted to talk about commitment and monogamy this weekend and pointed out that he has always been monogamous before. He said he's never felt like this before with anyone and wants to spend as much time with me as possible.

He has told me his fantasy was to wake up everyday with me for the rest of his life, so yes I guess that's the romantic part of him. That kind of got to me, to be honest.

At the same time I realize that I could have spent his birthday with him if I hadn't been so stubborn so I left him wide open to the Cancer and he is not very good at dealing with the guilt.

In a way I sabotaged myself by making sure that happened, so I am through blaming anyone. But I do like to take it slow anyhow, after all I am a Bull, it's my nature. Speedy in that respect I am not:>

He said that was okay, but of course we will see. I will try not to test him or make it impossible for us to relate on an equal level. If anything happens I will just walk away, I can't let fear or guilt dictate what I do or won't do.

Natasha
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posted June 24, 2004 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Natasha,

I was just checking to see how you are doing. I have been out of town for two weeks. I hope all is well.


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posted June 24, 2004 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Hi there, I wrote more about him and that weekend here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002735.html

I am okay, recovering from a lot of family visiting, the Gemini and I are settling down to a routine of maybe a once a month visit, and that's it. That's about what I can handle. Right now I have noticed he doesn't like to demand, he just gives me expectations, however they are designed to push me a little. He said he is very good at getting what he wants, hint hint.

I am used to more direct communication (he has Venus in Cancer and Mercury in Taurus), so at first I was annoyed but my therapist told me you are not being clear with him either. Tell him all your expectations, and then you won't be stuck demanding anything from him. You never know he may do what you want because he wants to. Don't hold back.

So I told him it made me jealous that he talked to his ex for hours and hours and she could see him anytime. I expect that she is leaving town soon?. it's not a demand. He said he was glad I told him that and then he decided tto ask her to move farther away from him, (she is staying in a friends' place next door now) and he asked her not to call him anymore unless he called her.

That made me feel better.
So it's communication, I think.
We both remember bad experiences with other people's ex's. He told me he likes moody, intense women, rather than the cheerleader type which is good for me.

Also he does not like me to hold him or hug him sometimes, but instead likes to hold me. I found I have to say, I would like a hug now, in order to get one and I am not used to that. At first I felt rejected but then I realized that he would hug me when I gave the signal but he just doesn't like being touched first? I think women have always been the initiators with him.

Unfortunately when I do that, he automatically thinks I want sex because his ex would always ask for it, instead of him coming to her. So I haven't found a way to find out when HE is genuinely interested in me, rather than just looking for signals. Because then when he does he's all hyped up and frustrates himself! That's happening a lot:>

I am glad I have a therapist to work out how I feel and find out how to change my communication style, he is more impressionable and less direct. He is not cheap, Thank God, but I still expect him to pay when we go out and get mad when he's short. I don't like getting mad so I am working on telling him that I expect him to pay because he makes a lot more than me, not because he's a man. So far so good, he likes to go out and likes the same kinds of places, and loves port and chocolate like me.

That's the only way I can work it out right now, because he is so wealthy it makes me feel my contribution isn't appreciated. Hopefully I can cook for him or him for me more like it, when he is safer to be around for an extended time.

Other than the fact that he gets riled up really easily and complains about how I frustrate him, I'm fine. I'm just sort of slow and romantic and I'm not a satisfaction machine. I don't want to brag about his sex appeal but this Gemini with Taurus moon, mercury and mars, is sexy, especially with Pisces ascendant and Venus in Cancer. He just oozes all over me sometimes. He just makes me want to frustrate him more by putting on lingerie when he comes over.

I am still a little sad I can't hug him when I want to, I save it for when he is leaving and can't avoid it. I don't know why he's like that, he says it's because I am much shorter than him and I pull him down? I miss being able to touch someone first though.

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posted June 26, 2004 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Natasha,

Wow...things have really progressed in the time I was gone. I am so happy to see that the two of you are really working on things.

I am just racking my brain trying to understand the "hug" issue. I can kind of understand, because there are times when I just don't want to be hugged. Mr. Taurus LOVES hugs and holding hands and walking side by side. Sometimes it annoys me because I feel like I am being led and will bump into something, although he never leads me in the wrong way. LOL...

Like your Gemini, Mr. Taurus was used to women doing the initiating and taking control. Maybe it is in the nature of the Male Taurus or those males with a Taurus moon. I found that if I just talked about it and let him know that I LOVE when a man can take control, he just jumped right in. He loves it - because it gives him the...control. Not that I am complaining, because I also jump right in from time to time. In all honesty, I like that I do not have to be the "mosquito" always trying to initiate someone into action. Sexually, we never have that problem and I am astounded at his stamina. It sounds like your Gemini is very similar.

That being said, there are still those times when I feel like I am being tugged - you know like he is leading his famous thoroughbred through the crowd. I don't mind PDA too much, well actually, he is the first person I have felt comfortable have any public displays of affection with - so it's a bit new to me. Still, sometimes I want to cringe because I know people are watching - he loves it...possessive booger that he is..oh yeah, that is another thing. He does not get jealous and he doesn't mind me having male friends (he has females ones as well) but he does get possessive.

I tend to get a bit jealous - like when an ex calls -but that is just my nature. I am highly suspicious (Pluto rising / Aries moon) - but I trust him. Somehow I think that once we are married and living in the same house, his tolerance of my male friends will evaporate. We'll see.

I wonder Natasha, if maybe you and Mr. Gemini are sitting down, like on the sofa or on a bench, if giving him a hug would be easier. I have a step mom that is a little petite Pisces. I hate when she gives me hugs. Her arm bone just about clotheslines me and breaks my hyoid bone. I dread her hugs. I love Mr. Taurus's hugs, but he is the first. Even Mr. Leo's hugs made me a bit squirmy at times.

You are right to lay down the law about the ex. I have a harder time with that. Like I sort of alluded to earlier. His female friends sometimes irk me....He said he would break all contact if that would make me feel better. I can't do that. It is against my Sag nature to restrict another's freedom. Does that make sense? I think I just need to take a chill pill.

Does your Gemini mind you holding his hand? Maybe if you work up to the hug, like I notice Mr. Taurus will run his hand up and down my back and rest in on the small of my back. I love that touch...it makes me more inclined to do the same -which then leads to a hug

I look forward to hearing from you. Hey, when are you going to post a pic on the photoshop site?

Take care,

Shawnee

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posted June 27, 2004 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
HI Pidua, I will find a pic that represents how I feel these days, I have so many it's hard to choose but I will soon.

I have tried holding the Gemini when sitting down, it's the same thing, he just likes to manage and control the way we touch each other. He is very much into being the dominant male that way. Even though I am very feminine with lots of water and earth planets, I do not always understand the male mind, especially air signs. I like to feel he needs me, but he doesn't.

Being an earth sign I can only understand sex with love, nothing else exists for me. Plus with my 6th house sun, love is about service, about giving nurturing, and caring. I have felt the kind of love i want, before from a Capricorn, and I tend to use that as a standard to what I need to have from a man. I the feeling of being cared for and actively cared for, as in having my state of mind questioned on a daily or active basis when we are together.

I do not like being physical when I do understand what's going on,or if we don't talk first. At the start of the weekend, the Gemini walked in and immediately starting kissing me, and I pushed him away, when he wouldn't go away I screamed really loud so he would let go and walked away. He was upset enough to ask me what was wrong but I asked him if he knew what compassion was. I wanted to know if he understand I was saying NO, I wanted to talk first, actually I had gone over this one the phone how he gets physical too fast.

Instead it became an argument about how I had changed my mind and how unhappy I was that I was turning my back on him and something so good, I felt angry at being manipulated but by the next night we had made up and things were good.

However tonight I was very angry because he had told me he would call me to go over something I had emailed him about how I can't separate sex from love and if he wanted to play it that way, then I would prefer he would be my friend until he knew what he felt.

We just spend two hours talking about how hurt he was. He didn't understand. I felt manipulated because I know he understands English, so I feel he doesn't have any compassion for what I am going through. Instead we talked about his need for space and what he was going through, which is fine but if he doesn't need me why is he around? If he's like other guys, then he will hang out just for sex and act jealous but refuse to let me be with someone who can commit. That makes me really angry.

So in essence I heard him say, I just want sex without saying I am in love because that's what I want right now and you were okay with that you said so what's the problem, why are you rejecting me? That made me so angry I accused him of being without compassion or feelings of any kind and hung up on him. I know I made him upset but the threat of not being able to see him without sex makes me really angry. I can't stand that threat because it works so well.

I am pretty emotional right now, I ate an entire bar of white chocolate. Of course it doesn't help that I have PMS right now, so I am sure that is part of my inability to communicate.

BUT I wanted to tell him that sex is very important to me, more important obviously than to him and that will always keep us from being serious. Also I think we ought to transform our relationship instead of trying to change ourselves, and be friends for a while because I am trying to love him but there is a big obstacle in my path which is his total lack of love for me and his ex who is crazy and jealous and always showing up.

I feel he needs to get his life together and be stable first but he was SO ANGRY.

Pidua, I just don't know what to say anymore, I tried not answering his calls for a few days but that just made him really angry and defensive when he did reach me because he believed that I wasn't going to call and torture him. I was actually calling him that moment but I wanted to be calm and give him a weekend alone. Obviously that upset him even more.

Everything I say and do, to make things better, to describe what I am feeling just makes him more angry, upset, hostile and emotional. I didn't realize he would be so angry. His theory is that I change my mind every few minutes and now the relationship is going backwards. He could see if my therapist said we need to go back, but he can't see where I come up with that conclusion.

I feel that he doesn't trust my decisions, and I feel angry at his ex for being a child and letting him tell her what to do for years. He expects the same of me and I can't do that, I am much too serious.

Love to me is about service, I can't be pressed into service for something so trivial. I don't mind slaving all day to create something special for a customer or for someone I love, but I don't want to do this for a man who doesn't do it for me. When we go out, I do all the planning, I don't feel that he cares, or nourishes any hope of love for me.

I ask myself why do this for someone if he is going to give me that old I can't commit line? What bull, why does he act lovey dovey then? I would prefer a more black and white understanding, if he just wants sex he ought to tell me so I can look elsewhere.

Well, I am still looking for a lover who won't run, Taureans are big on stability,

BTW
do you want me to call you Shawnee? Is that your name? I am curious.

Take Care,
Natasha
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posted June 28, 2004 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Oh and I did something I feel really guilty about, I made a comment that made him feel that I thought he was boring sexually. That hurt his feelings, and he went over it many times. That's not what I meant, I meant that he was similar to other men psychologically in what he wanted, but I guess it means the same thing. So I am feeling pretty guilty about that.

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Natasha -

I've been trying to be as optimistic as possible reading about this Gemini, and I've gotten some impressions, but tried not to play the Devil's advocate since you are always trying to be a positive influence.

But the following is a red flag, and for me personally, a 100% and total deal breaker:::

"...but that just made him really angry and defensive when he did reach me because he believed that I wasn't going to call and torture him. I was actually calling him that moment but I wanted to be calm and give him a weekend alone. Obviously that upset him even more.

Everything I say and do, to make things better, to describe what I am feeling just makes him more angry, upset, hostile and emotional. I didn't realize he would be so angry..."

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posted June 28, 2004 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Natasha,

You can call me Shawnee. Wow..your post made me FEEL all those emotions.

TO me, what I am picking up is this:

1) Mr. Gemini has severe anger and control issues - That is apparant because he keeps getting angry at you for the slightest thing. It seems the harder you try to madder he gets. I wonder if he is tranferring his resentment towards psycho lady onto you?

The control is also apparant. He knows that you associate sex with love- that the two are inseperable (I am the same - 8th house Saturn in Taurus). By his going back and forth with he has control over how, when and why, combined with the inability to allow you to feel the comfort in his touch or through hugging him, he is taking away that security from you.

2) He is very confused. He is trying to make YOU feel like you are fickle one, when from what I can see he is vacillating between wanting a commitment, to wanting just a sexual friendship to possibly holding it ALL back. That is subterfuge. It is a way to make you feel like you must grovel and ask for something and he has the power.

Ask yourself, what is it you want? It seems to me that you want to have a person in your life that is willing to form a complete bond and commitment with you. Do you think, in your heart, that Mr. Gemini is that person? Maybe you are right in cutting it off temporarily so that you can gather your thoughts? Date or choose not to date, but just know what you are willing to settle for and what you are wanting to shoot for. Sometimes it seems like you want a solid relationship, but you are also afraid of the commitment aspect?

Please let me know how things are going.

Take care,


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posted June 28, 2004 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Shawnee, the thing about not being able to touch him when I want to, that really bugged me to no end. Yes I think that his Pisces rising is just too unstable for me, and not everyone has to get along all the time. Sure I want my friends to be happy, but I can't please everyone all the time. He emailed me that my talk saddened him, and he wanted to have a serious non emotional talk. I really don't think that's possible anymore, since we are all new people everyday.

I do want a commitment but only if the other person is in it with me, not holding back. I am strong willed that way and my mars/1st does not work with the pisces indecisive energy. One thing I dont' like is how he sleeps in late every morning while I have to get to work at 6am, we are very different that way. He can't see why I can't change, and I refuse to budge about that. To me it seems lazy of course, so I think I just have too much fire for his chart which has no fire.

Yes you are right he is really angry at psycho ex right now, and that's another reason why I am pulling back. She really hurts me sometimes with the things she says that he passes on to me. I don't know why he has to tell me everything, it certainly doesn't bring up closer. I feel that he has destroyed my trust someway. He makes me feel so guilty just for wanting one thing. I can't stand the guilt making, that's the only thing I won't tolerate, I told him that at the start.

Well Pisces, is about guilt, so I now I know.
He can be my friend if he wants, and spend time with me but he can't be anything else.

It's awful that I insulted his sexuality though, that was really low. He wasn't that bad really, just over eager and fast. Hopefully I will be calmer this week and he will face reality.

I am too picky I know, I really do back out, but I just can't stand the physical thing, I don't know why he holds out unless he is feeling guilty all of a sudden, and that affects me too. I think I am just having an attack of guilt about the Cancer. If there is guilt involved, I am worried he will back out later, so I am very protective Moon in 8th.

I saw the Capricorn I was dating yesterday which didn't help my state of mind either and I felt that I hadn't made any of my goals in a relationship since him. I ignored him and walked by, it felt good but once I got home I realized I needed a change in my romantic life. I am tired of having to do all the work always, I try to commit but it's hard in this case, I have told him I would commit to him, it makes no difference to him, he says. But then he acts differently. I am being teased I know, do you think I am choosing men in order to avoid a commitment, so I am not happy? Maybe to fix them? I was told trying to trap a man just out of a relationship is a sign of insecurity because the man is much more vulnerable that way.

Is this true? Then is that why I feel vulnerable because I am guilty of that? Or is this an 8th house moon thing?

What's your take? Am I sabotaging myself? If so then I need a long rest from dating.

Natasha
Taurus Sun
Cancer Moon/8th
Neptune/12th house opposite Sun/6th
Mars/1st house Sag
Aries Venus/5th house

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posted June 28, 2004 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Natasha,

Well...honestly, I do think you may be avoiding commitment by choosing men that are emotionally unavailable. From your posts I have detected a fear of commitment from time to time. You may be somewhat at odds with your strong Mars in Sag in that first house.

The Taurus wants the security and a firm foundation. Sagittarius wants freedom. We see relationships as a contract where the fine print sometimes reveals a "get out of jail" clause. That means, we sometimes look for men that we know we don't want in reality.

I did that so much in my own life. I chose men that I knew had flaws that I would never get over, but could (subconsiously) use later to get out of the relationship. Be it that they drank too much, were too lazy or just didn't satisfy me intellectually. In the end they were "safe" in that I knew I would never really fall in love. The exception was Mr. Leo, who I was falling in love with, but his flaws popped out large as life in the middle of the relationship.

Pisces rising can be hard to understand. My brother is a Sag with a Pisces rising and he can sometimes be this wacky enigma that does want to be emotional - but it's there (Scorp moon). He does play on people's guilt at times.

I wonder if Mr. Gemini is holding out because of guilt or because of control or both? It can't be easy for you to know that the Crazy lady is always in the picture, lurking around. He really shouldn't tell you that she has said horrible things about you. He knows it hurts you, so he should stop doing it.

The insult to the sexuality. Honey, you should be able to voice what you like and don't like. If you want him to slow it down, then he should respect that- what's his hurry? Personally, I can't get into a "fast session". I tend to treat sex in the same manner as I eat. I like to enjoy every bite, so I eat slow..well, depending..LOL..

Do you think that Mr. Gemini may show how he feels about a person through the "act" of sex? Like instead of holding you and kissing you to let you know how much he missed you and leaving it at that - he has to push right into things.

Now in defense of dudes (and my more firey self). When I have gone awhile without seeing my mate, I want to just "merge" with them. I notice men are like that as well. When Mr. Taurus came in to Vegas on a Friday (and we had JUST been together that Monday)we couldn't wait to run back home and get naughty. I couldn't think of anything else, well other than I was at my moms house until our hotel was ready and she was working until 1pm and that only gave us about 2 hours and we usually take twice as long..LOL...that was a little weird. But it all worked out.

Trust is a big thing. If you are feeling betrayed at all, then you need to ask yourself if you are happy and why you have lost some trust for him.

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Yes what you are saying is true, I am fiery and independent in some ways and don't want to let go of that so I knew that I would be able to be his friend if things got rough. Now I am trying to take that route which must be confusing to him. And I do understand that he may be trying to show he cares by being physical but it's just so unwelcome sometimes, I can't imagine why he doesn't pick up on that, and I get aggravated easily if someone is bothering me physically.

he tends to stick his tongue in my mouth when I'm talking which is really irritating. I suppose he thought it would be romantic to shut me up that way, and he'll say something like, shut up and kiss me and then start kissing me. Very cute in the movies huh? But it really makes me MAD. LIke through the roof mad. I feel my head exploding. So that must be my fire energy. INstead I bite on his tongue and start talking.

I do understand he wants to merge and to be honest I could be less pleasing to the eye but I can't really help the way I am. If he can't handle it then my self esteem feels that I am not being a good friend..I feel guilted. Once he guilted me all day by telling me he had MB'd in the shower that morning thinking of me and and he had to do that because I was teasing him lately.

So what was I to say then? I get flippant and rude and he gets upset. I think I said How Romantic, that' s not what I want to hear right now but maybe your ex girlfriend would be thrilled with this kind of stuff. But then again I'm not an emotionally retarded child of 31 who's never had a job, so it doesn't do it for me right now! Which is total babble, you see? I just dont' get his motivations at all. It's not like I go in the bathroom when I'm at HIS house, MB and come out and tell him, Hey honey guess what I was MBing, isn't that nice?

Sometimes I feel my temper go through the roof.

Yes I do have a lot of fire, that's for sure.

Well he is capable of commiting to me, but he doesn't want to. But he revealed to me that he was ALWAYS interested in me, even back when we first met, he in fact arranged our meeting when I didn't know this. So I felt angrier about that too. I can see on one hand I am happy he is really into being with me forever, on the other hand what is involved in forever?

I will find out eventually, I will be his friend, that's all I can do,

Thanks for this Sag perspective.
Natasha

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posted June 28, 2004 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Natasha,

Ugh..that would upset me if my guy decided to MB in the bathroom then tell me about it along with the "because you teased me"..Nope, I would say something pretty pi$$y I am sure like "Well, I am sure you were just as quick going solo and in a duo".

I am also the same way when it comes to someone trying to stick their tongue in my mouth to shut me up. That is just rude - even in a movie. LOL..I knew a Virgo that was like that. I just wanted to bop him on the head.

In defense of his inability to pick up on your moods, well, some signs just aren't as astute when it comes to that - unless they have a good dose of water in their charts. Sometimes I have a hard time, but I have learned to "read" someone's reaction or expressions. Other times I can just FEEL their emotions.

Now doesn't Mr. Gemini also have his Venus in Cancer? I wonder too if that compels him to want to be close - but the more airy part of his chart makes him indecisive about what he wants.

You seem like the kind of person that wants passion and stability. It can be found. I think if you find a person that is like you, someone that is generous and a go getter along with wanting to have a GOOD time.

I'd also have a problem with someone that just slept in late and was kind of sluggish. I mean, I sleep in sometimes, but usually for a good reason - and I am not alone..and we have no where to go. Then again sometimes Mr. Taurus needs a bit of a push to get motivated.

Here is something weird that I have noticed. Mr. Taurus is also a Taurus rising and he has his Mercury in Gemini. I find that on one hand he can get very animated in a conversation, then I start to chime in and it really gets going...BUT...then he seems to get tangled and then frustrated...LOL..then I hear the words "You are FRUSTRATING me and talking in circles.." or "You remind me of one of those goofy puppies nipping at my heels"..I think it is his way of saying "Hey,I give up".

I also wanted to say that I have learned so much from you. Especially concerning how Taurus people see the world. I am conscious about not getting too flustered around Mr. T so that he doesn't think I am leaving him. The touch thing is very important. When I am upset I want to be left alone, but he wants the hug and kiss. I decided to just go with it, because it doesn't really bother me and it makes him very secure. In return...well, I get the famous Taurus hug and those are very Yummy!!

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