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Topic: What is wrong with me?
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pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 3973 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2003
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posted July 19, 2004 02:44 AM
Amen/awoman to that piece of golden advice, Philbird! "But.......I love him." Tell it to Jerry Springer!IP: Logged |
sthenri Moderator Posts: 2102 From: Montreal, Canada Registered: May 2003
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posted July 19, 2004 12:20 PM
I love my can opener too,Love is great for many things, but it's not going to fix a bad relationship. Love for a child is not unconditional, we all expect certain things from that child, and from our parents. There is a strong tendency towards unconditional love in women and it's a little unhealthy. At all times we must have a benefit in our lives from knowing someone that is not based on an uncertain future. Make sure you have the fundamentals, a few good people who love you, that's all you need. Natasha Taurus IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 1458 From: the stars Registered: Jun 2004
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posted July 19, 2004 12:45 PM
True unconditional love can be hard to master. True unconditional love is healthy. Something like co-dependency is not so healthy. True unconditional love IS worth working towards.I believe the closest point to unconditional love someone could come to is the love for their child. Yes, you expect things from them but if they don't live up to your expectations, you still love them. Unconditional love is about loving all aspects of a person. The good the bad and the ugly. We all have one of these sides. No one is perfect. And who's to say someone else has to live up to your expectations. We all have different expectations and viewpoints on everything, this does not mean anyone else is wrong, that doesnt fit in with your expectations. You love them for everything they are - unconditionally. This does not mean you let them abuse you - it is much different. quote: Love asks that you give up judgment, fear, resentment, shame, hurt, and expectation of love returned. Love asks that you forgive all harm done. This does not mean that you forget harm done or continue to place yourself in harm's way. Setting healthy boundaries is good. It means that you must claim full responsibility for your experience. You must give up seeing yourself as a victim and see yourself as a divine being worthy of great love. Love commands of us that we simply give of our hearts freely and unconditionally....
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VirgoMaiden Knowflake Posts: 25 From: Seattle, Wa, USA Registered: Jul 2004
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posted July 24, 2004 03:29 PM
Just a relatively quick update to my particular issue at hand... Things are unusually fine... I don't know what it means and I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. The Aries in question seems to be handling it just fine, better than fine, as if nothing happened. I am having more trouble adjusting than he is. He still expects the same treatment and even though I DID agree to be friends, I don't want to treat him the same. I don't like him using my phone when he drops by. I don't like him bringing his friends over. I REALLY don't like it when he does his laundry without asking. I've mentioned it as politely as possible but nothing changes. It's almost as if we're still together without the intimacy. I'm angry and resentful at his behavior, putting me through stress just for him to act like nothing happened. I don't know what to make of it and from this point on, I'm done with fire signs and air signs too. I'm not cut out for an unpredictable relationship. But other than that, we're just going through an adjustment period. And also, perhaps this is meant for another subject entirely but is there any advice for dealing with anger for a Virgo who is uncomfortable with displays of emotion?IP: Logged |
Gemini Nymph Knowflake Posts: 288 From: Registered: Jul 2004
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posted July 24, 2004 07:12 PM
Virgo, this Aries sounds like he desperately needs to learn boundaries. Aries men, unless they're been taught better, tend to see the whole world as their playground, and use their aggressiveness to prevent others from challenging that and forcing them to grow up. Try not to take anything he does personally - hard for a Virgo, I know, but the truth is this Aries isn't doing this because he's trying to personally insult you. He's doing it because he's not thinking. Just like an Aries. When Virgos get resentful, nothing short of clearing the air will do. Virgos bottle up their emotions so tightly they have indefinite shelflife, and they won't go away unless they're expressed or channeled in someway. Worse yet, Virgos will suffer physically when their emotional state is so tense and repressed. You're probably feeling very powerless in this situation, and your Virgo influences no doubt feel that this imbalance of power is unjust. At some point you'll need to stand up for yourself. Aries sometimes takes a long time to learn that they can't go around oblivously stomping on people without consequences. One of your options is to confront him with that and to stick to your guns until he finally comes around. If you don't think you can, then get him out of your life completely. And if neither of these are options for you right now, start stocking up on antacids and sign up for a martial arts class to channel your anger before you end up with ulcers and a nervous breakdown. IP: Logged |
sthenri Moderator Posts: 2102 From: Montreal, Canada Registered: May 2003
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posted July 24, 2004 07:55 PM
Hi VirgoMaiden, glad you are starting to be assertive, don't worry leaning to be assertive takes time so don't be hard on yourself.Being assertive means separating what you say from your feelings, so instead of talking about what you feel when you are angry, talk about what you feel-instead of thinking about it first-when you are not angry. Over a normal day, in a moment where nothing much is happening, a mundane, laundry room is a good place to get assertive, and it never happens out of the blue. Nobody is that good at being assertive, right off the batt, we all think about it before being in the stressful environment. Some of us make it a point to always be assertive but that can be draining too. It's a balance. Try role playing, according to my therapist that is the ONLY way to get assertive. There is no other way to practice the event/mood. Ask a friend to help you, and go over what you want to say and notice the surroundings. Then you will be better prepared no matter what. Distance yourself from the Aries, think of him at the moment when you are role playing as that Aries, do not use his name. keep it unemotional. You could say, I noticed you were doing your laundry the other day-good idea to reference a past event to take it out of the present-and I wondered why you were still doing it here, then I realized I didn't tell you how I wanted things. Let me explain, I dont' want you to do the laundry here again, okay? Don't wait too long for an answer and keep it light at the end. If he starts to get defensive, just back away and ask that he consider it for later. Then make up somewhere else you have to go to, an appt, something. Being an Aries he will bluster, just keep it cool and light and ignore any hand gestures or eye movements. Keep your eyes on what you are doing and refuse to see him as someone who belongs to you in anyway. I usually imagine the person I am speaking to is a child who doesn't know what he is doing, Hey it works, Good Luck, Taurus Natasha
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thirteen Knowflake Posts: 74 From: Rochester Hills, MI USA Registered: May 2004
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posted July 30, 2004 01:30 PM
I am a virgo woman married to an Aries man. What you described is what we went thru two years ago. It almost ended in divorce but we are doing very very well now. So much crap went on ( everything you describe, i was feeling). I suspect there was a lot of karma to work out. I cannot explain everything that i went thru but i will try to give you the highlights. I held my ground on what things i was not willing to tolerate. From his condescending attitude to his pesky mom butting in and trying to control our time. I am solid rock hard earth so holding my ground on those issues was natural for me. We fought, separated, stayed in touch all the while i was working on my own personal esteem issues too. I knew that he and i don't always share the same ideals but on some level i knew we did share a lot of something. Maybe the same basic sense of decency and human values. Anyway I remember when it all changed for me. I was driving in the car. I was in a tremendous state of agitation with he and i and i was focusing on the fact that we are so different. It made me feel so scared and so negative and then it happend. I said to myself... HE AND I ARE TWO VERY VERY DIFFERENT PEOPLE...........AND ITS OK. Once I stopped judging that everything came together. I had to learn to respect the differences. I had to learn to accept that he indeed is different than me but some things aren't so bad, maybe i can try to fit into those differences. I did it and guess what......he is a completely different man. He stopped judging me when I stopped judging him and we're doing great. Yes there are still major things we are different on but they don't even seem notiable any more. Read love signs, Virgo woman-Aries man. Its not really that negative if you read between the lines. There are challenges and Aries men don't mature real early. I send hope and good wishes to you. IP: Logged |
pixelpixie Knowflake Posts: 3973 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2003
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posted July 30, 2004 02:25 PM
Thirteen~  I have had those moments too. Precious! Healing. Momentous moments. Married also to an Aries... had that moment over an ex-Aries. Been there done that (still doing that) with the Mom-in-Law.... he is an only child.  IP: Logged |
doris Knowflake Posts: 10 From: Chihuahua, Chih, Mexico Registered: Jul 2004
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posted August 16, 2004 07:28 PM
Hi, I am virgo and was married to an Aries guy. He seemed the best man in the world, but after getting married, it took sometime to realize how selfish he is. He pretended to change me to his expectations of the ideal woman..and even he is not violent, he made me feel like if I was the worst wife and the ugliest woman. Things didnīt work out even I did my best to save the marriage...I am sure now that it was the best to get divorced. The seem so sweet to everybody, but in a couple, they are demanding sometimes and virgo women always look to make others happy...in the process, we canīt see that things are going too far. I've been alone for a while, but much better than living with this aries guy. Maybe a bad combination : /IP: Logged |
Jade Knowflake Posts: 2 From: Pella, Iowa, USA Registered: Aug 2004
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posted August 29, 2004 12:48 PM
I went through a similar-ish situation recently. I'm a Libra, and I'd been with my Aquarius for almost 3 years. He had a bad childhood and an abusive father, and used that as an excuse for his bad behavior a lot of the time. He had a temper problem and would get mad at the silliest things, and it was always his father's fault, somehow. I was getting fed up of things, and I finally went to him and broke it all off. We were engaged at the time. That was about a week and a half ago. Let me tell you, that was the best decision of my entire life. I left for college a couple days later, and met a sweet Cancer the second day later. We are seeing each other, and are becoming great friends. The point is, things will be hard for you, but good things can surprise you by coming from out of nowhere. Don't let him come over to do laundry, etc. If you want to be friends, don't contact him for a while, and let each other move on. Then, months from now, you can try the friendship out. IP: Logged |
astro junkie Moderator Posts: 4095 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted August 29, 2004 01:48 PM
Virgo -Are you afraid he will hurt you physically if you stand up to him? And if I were you, I'd have someone with me like a close friend or relative who can back you up. To be there at your place when this guy shows up, and who can tell him as well, what he's doing is disrespectful and not cool and it needs to stop NOW! IP: Logged |
LibraSparkle Moderator Posts: 1866 From: Vancouver USA Registered: May 2004
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posted August 29, 2004 01:57 PM
Unconditional love does not depend upon your being in the relationship anymore. Telling someone, "I cannot be with you because I feel neglected." is not imposing conditions upon your love. The condition is upon the relationship. You can still love him unconditionally and not be living in the same home with him. You have not withdrawn your love. Love isn't something that can just be turned off. If it's been turned off... I would question whether or not it was really ever there. (I'm not suggesting you don't love him here... just making a point)IP: Logged |
VirgoMaiden Knowflake Posts: 25 From: Seattle, Wa, USA Registered: Jul 2004
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posted September 01, 2004 07:49 PM
Well, an update. Things have been a little strange with readjusting. I'm learning to stand up on my own which has not been easy. The Aries in question has tested me every step of the way. Sometimes he likes to play the martyr card on me which is difficult because only a Virgo can really pull it off. He's "suddenly" developed interests that are similiar like astrology and even as he looked at our composite chart together, which obviously suggests a short term affair, he still refuses to see it. I can understand why. No one, especially an Aries, wants to admit they made a mistake. I've put a lot of distance between us and so far, we've been fine. A few arguments here or there but so far, so good. My birthday is coming up and he wants to take me out. I said yes although I wonder about my decision. I feel I've made my intentions clear that we're friends. But he still compliments me, more so than when we were together. I may have made a mistake there, I'm not sure yet.IP: Logged |
astro junkie Moderator Posts: 4095 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 01, 2004 07:59 PM
You had me until you said he asked to be with you on your birthday and you said yes...IP: Logged |
VirgoMaiden Knowflake Posts: 25 From: Seattle, Wa, USA Registered: Jul 2004
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posted September 01, 2004 08:08 PM
Sorry, mind is running too fast today. The other day he wanted to take me to a movie for my birthday and I said yes because I assumed that we're go as friends. I was trying to be fair. Although I don't know whether he understands my position or not. Sometimes I'll repeat myself a thousand times and he behaves as if he never heard me. I hope that clears it up.IP: Logged |
astro junkie Moderator Posts: 4095 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 01, 2004 09:46 PM
It just shows me you have no intention of breaking up with him. IP: Logged |
VirgoMaiden Knowflake Posts: 25 From: Seattle, Wa, USA Registered: Jul 2004
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posted September 03, 2004 05:46 AM
I've already ended the association but I find myself still emotionally attached, it's true. But after we went for a drink, he began to talk about our relationship and I realized that it was a mistake. I have a problem letting things go, I know that. I believe I can attribute it to a Scorpio in Saturn. I try to forget but even when I know a relationship is over I find myself wanting something to replace it. As if I need the security. I don't know if that makes any sense. More and more lately I feel a sense of desperate lonliness and I can't make a mistake and return to a relationship that is unhealthy. I know this already. And yet, sometimes I feel myself being drawn in again. I'm sorry but I'm all over the place. I haven't been myself for a long time. And that's it. The Aries and I are terrible together and we've split up for awhile. And yet, I find myself wanting someone to be near and yet not. The Aries is the closest I've got. He's close and yet he knows nothing about me. It's odd. Maybe it's a Virgo thing, I don't know. It's weird. But it's late, I'm tired and I'm a little buzzed. So if this makes any sense, good.IP: Logged |
astro junkie Moderator Posts: 4095 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 03, 2004 09:15 AM
It totally makes sense. Perhaps it also has to do with preferring the familiar (even if it is bad), rather than the unfamiliar and new. Just don't be too hard on yourself. I know how long it takes sometimes to start over, for me it takes months to years. I'm sure your Saturn in Scorpio would not be happy with someone who is not loyal to your higher self.IP: Logged |
VirgoMaiden Knowflake Posts: 25 From: Seattle, Wa, USA Registered: Jul 2004
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posted September 03, 2004 08:11 PM
Well, I'm a complete idiot. I should have known and yet I walked right into a trap. I decided to go with the Aries for a drink. I thought it would be harmless. A way for us to communicate without arguing and fighting. But no... We had a good time for about an hour then he starts in on me. When I refuse to get back together with him, he threatens and insults me. I ended up taking a cab home. I thought we had enough distance between us. I thought that we could be around each other without all this tension and drama. But I was terribly wrong. I should have thought but I didn't. I let my own fears get in the way of what's best for me. Another stumbling block, it seems. But not again. I am so done with that Aries. I'm putting way more distance between us. That's the only way. I always thought that love came easy or that it would. I wonder if it's worth all the pain and misery that one experiences before one finds something genuine. I don't know anymore. Thanks for listening.IP: Logged |
astro junkie Moderator Posts: 4095 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 05, 2004 01:46 AM
Just as each sign has similarities with it's opposite - Virgo's propensity for disillusionment in love is similar to Pisces. My Venus in Virgo is Sextile Neptune (rules Pisces) - so ...------------------ ... it's better to light a candle than curse the darkness IP: Logged |
VirgoMaiden Knowflake Posts: 25 From: Seattle, Wa, USA Registered: Jul 2004
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posted September 07, 2004 07:35 PM
I never really thought of it like that... That's incredibly "to the point"...IP: Logged |
astro junkie Moderator Posts: 4095 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 07, 2004 08:38 PM
... and I didn't even include the Pluto stuff ...IP: Logged |
VirgoMaiden Knowflake Posts: 25 From: Seattle, Wa, USA Registered: Jul 2004
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posted September 09, 2004 04:32 PM
What do you mean?IP: Logged |
astro junkie Moderator Posts: 4095 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted September 10, 2004 06:13 PM
Oh, I'm just saying that Pluto is deep too.IP: Logged | |