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VirgoMaiden
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posted July 01, 2004 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoMaiden     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a Virgo, obviously, and problems of the heart don't usually effect. I do what has to be done and always have. Now I'm confused. Paralyzed with confusion, more accurately. I've been with an Aries man for three years and in the beginning it was great, opposites attract. We had a baby together and I wouldn't change a thing. But underlying the last two years, I've been increasingly unhappy. I didn't know why. I thought it was my fault because I expected standards too high. And then! There's this Gemini man who I've been friends with for a long time. And I've had these pulsating feelings for him for a long time but I'm very clear on the fact that we are just friends. But the fact remains, I feel for him rather than the Aries. The Aries makes me feel unheard and unwanted. He doesn't do it on purpose, I know, but he's unwittingly self-centered. And I feel a part of me is being denied. I have a lot Sagitarian influences and I wondered if that is the cause for my wanderlust in this relationship and my fascination for the Gemini friend. Anyway, to cut a long story short, I'm afraid to break it off with the Aries because he says rash and crazy things when he's angry, will he act on them? I don't know if it's worth breaking it off with him if our lives are all going to be miserable but I suppose they would be anyway, except he'd get what he wants. I'm so confused. I don't know whats wrong with me.

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astro junkie
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posted July 01, 2004 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
VirgoMaiden -

I'm a Libra with Venus & Pluto in Virgo, and I'm feeling what you are saying.

Maybe it would help you if you could frame all of this in a different way. Instead of saying to yourself that "he's making" you feel a certain way, tell yourself that YOU are allowing YOURSELF to feel a certain way. And remember that our inner voice, no matter how subtle, has a lot to do with the decisions we make.

So just keep repeating that to yourself until it begins to sink in and feel more natural to you. Be patient with yourself. Things don't happen overnight.

Maybe you should not worry about your Sag placement, and if that's the reason you feel wanderlust. As a survivor of domestic violence, I would urge you to confront the fears you have of this man FIRST.

Be safe!

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purplezen
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posted July 01, 2004 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for purplezen     Edit/Delete Message
I'm a virgo too. Do what makes YOU happy, not the aries or anyone else. I was in an abusive relationship before and breaking it off was the best thing I ever did. Yes it was hard, but you deserve to feel loved.

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posted July 01, 2004 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome!

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VirgoMaiden
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posted July 01, 2004 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoMaiden     Edit/Delete Message
To be honest, I never thought of this as an abusive relationship. I haven't been hit and yet I still feel like a prisoner so maybe in some degree it is. And I have been allowing this and blaming him for my unhappiness when I should be taking more control. Thanks a lot for everyone's advice. Now my only problem is taking any form of action. Easier said than done.

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posted July 01, 2004 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for purplezen     Edit/Delete Message
virgomaiden, abusive relationships come in all forms, whether verbal or physical...if you don't feel loved, heard, appreciated...then I would say this aries is neglecting you, which is another form of abuse.

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VirgoMaiden
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posted July 01, 2004 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoMaiden     Edit/Delete Message
My only concern is now, how do I break it off with someone so combustible? I don't want our son to get caught in the crossfire. I don't know as much about Aries as I should but do they mean it when they threaten or will it blow over?

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noreenz
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posted July 01, 2004 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for noreenz     Edit/Delete Message
Hi VirgoMaiden~

I too am a Virgo woman married to Aries man. Great guy, for perhaps someone else. I so wish I could offer you some words of wisdom, but I can't. Have been married for 22 years. Being unheard and feeling unwanted is when we distance ourselves and soon we forget who we are to keep the peace, and just simply exist. Remember, when mommy's not happy, nobody's happy. There are so many variable's in every situation. Anyways, I just want you to know that I so hear what you are saying and feel for ya, I too have been searching for the answer for the past couple years. Is it selfish to look for Love knowing it would create chaos? I wish I had some answers. The message that keeps coming up in my life and what Linda Goodman says is that "Love Conquers All" And like you said, taking action is so much easier said than done.

BTW, If you were ever in Love with Aries man and you think that down deep it is something you would like to reinstate, you may just need to find the strengh within you, the knowing that you need no one and refuse to be treated this way. Once they see this, they seem to respond and all of a sudden they notice you and you earn their respect. I know my Aries man likes & admires strong women.

Best of luck to ya, and if by chance you get it all figured out, would ja mind shar'in with the rest of us. ;-)

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posted July 01, 2004 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, there's actually a behavioral pattern engraved in stone, and this Aries is displaying the most obvious of them. I used to volunteer for a "safe house" for victims of domestic violence, and I've studied this, as well as being a survivor myself.

WARNING::: The most common time a woman is critically injured, or even murdered, is when the abuser has any suspicion that she intends to leave.

Therefore, you must receive specific instructions from someone who will act like your secret service ambassador.

Please go to a payphone in privacy, and call 1(800)500-1119.

This is a toll free number to the place I volunteered at in Central Florida, called "The Harbor House - Orange County Center Against Domestic Violence".

These people are trained to talk you through these situations so that you and your child are safe.

Also - erase your history of Web sites visited, so he cannot catch you writing about this.

I'm serious.

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VirgoMaiden
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posted July 01, 2004 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoMaiden     Edit/Delete Message
I would feel too strange to involve myself in any sort of safe house because I've never been physically abused. He hasn't threatened my with physical abuse, he has threatened to take our son away which is what I'm more afraid of. I don't want to make him seem like the bad guy, he's not. He has a lot of issues from his childhood because his mother abandoned him and I believe he's trying to make me into something I'm not. I want to be loved for the right reasons not to be needed out of a deep-seated insecurity. I care about him but I don't love him. I just don't want him to do something that he will regret later, something he can't take back. He blows up and yells and screams but it blows over. Breaking up with him will not be easy, even though I think it would be best for both of us. I don't know how to get him to let go of me.

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posted July 01, 2004 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
What do you mean there hasn't been any abuse? He threatened to take your child away from the mother? How is that not abuse? If you feel abused you have to leave because otherwise it will escalate, that is get worse.

Do you realize that other women have been through this? You are not alone, you are not a victim either just because you want to be independent. Don't let anyone tell you that you are a victim of abuse, you are a survivor of an emotional child who perceives himself as the victim, and sees himself in a loveless world. He's not your problem, and you are not to blame. He needs professional help not love.

Take Care and call a psychologist or therapist to help you and be there for you to depend on while you work out the practical issues. Find family and friends that are supportive financially.

My ex's mother was not a doormat and let her husband abuse her. That was my ex's excuse for being an A-hole. It was mommy's fault. It was his father's fault for not talking to after dinner, and drinking and fooling around on his mother. It was always somebody else's fault, and that's why he was mean to me. You have to find an identity, who do you want to me, a mother, or a mother to this grown man? Do you want to be known as yourself, as in a new woman, or this man's partner for life? When does it stop?

AS Lou Reed would say
"Do you know how it feels?, and when does it STOP???

I know how it feels, and it does stop whenever you want it to. You are in control of your life.

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pixelpixie
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posted July 01, 2004 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Hello, and welcome!
You say you haven't been happy for a long while.. two years? He must sense that the two of you are not close any longer.. it can't be a shock to him that you are thinking and feeling this way, maybe he will be relieved? Why don't you sit down with him and, without saying you want to leave, try establishing a conversation about what you both want out of life and relationships. Be gentle, in light of the above mentioned reasons, once again, give him no indication that you want to leave, just gently say that you are unhappy, and wonder if he is too. If there is something in our relationships we are unhappy with, no matter how subtle, we often find others to project love onto, feeling they might be the ones we should be with. They very well could be, this Gemini could be better for you, but in the meantime, there is the question of the Aries temper. I have broken up with an Aries before as well (whom I have a son with). I am also married to one. I know all people are different, with some commonalities. But all people can think and figure things out.. so be frank and straightforward. You want different things perhaps... whether you leave outright, in the middle of the night, or wean yourselves out of it, or have an explosive argument, eventually the ending is inevitable. Try to be open about it. Aries do not like to be 'duped'. Obviously, you know the way he prefers things much more than I or anyone else does... so adapt. But I still think theatrics can be saved.. people change and part ways all the time. Feel it out, see if he is receptive. You are unhappy, bottomline. So be happy however you feel you need to.
I want to reiterate, if you feel he could be abusive in any way, please follow these wonderful words from my friends as well. This is only one take on it. I just wanted some Yin to the Yang.

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sthenri
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posted July 01, 2004 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
I am sorry if that comes off as harsh, but you can't let a man walk over you, who actually threatens to separate you from your child. Obviously this bothers you, and it does for a reason. Please don't overlook anything he does or says for his benefit.

I may meet this man someday and if he is angry at home, he's angry at work.

Natasha

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VirgoMaiden
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posted July 01, 2004 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoMaiden     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know why I never saw this as seriously as everyone else seems to, perhaps it's because I'm too close to the situation. I'll take the advice as best I can. I keep going over it in my mind. I'll let you all know what happens.

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astro junkie
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posted July 01, 2004 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
VirgoMaiden -

Please don't insult my intelligence by telling me that you are not interested in a "safe house" or shelter, for surely you know those are not the only places where you and your child will be safe.

The problem is you will need to plan ahead, and you have no semblance of a plan. Not only is it a matter of HOW to leave, but what the people on the other side of that 800 line will help you with is how to quickly set up restraining orders, and what you will need to do legally for your child.

They help you through the entire process FOR FREE. They don't send some short bus around to pick up all the guilt-ridden victims, stick you on a cot and feed you frank & beans. This is YOUR choice, and they are people who have dedicated YEARS to help people like you. You cannot imagine how sad people like you make people like us.

Just don't insult my intelligence. If something happens to your child, you'll never forgive yourself. Not to mention, putting this Gemini guy in harms way, or anyone else who is willing to help you.

If you're going to do this right, do it responsibly, or don't do it at all. I have nothing more to say to you. This is YOUR responsibility.

And hate me as much as you want. That's the next phase, by the way...

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posted July 01, 2004 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
Hello VirgoMaiden *waves*
I've been close to many Virgos in my life, and if there is one thing I know about them, it's their tendancy to procrastinate when faced with emotionally charged and challenging situations, due to a feeling of powerlessness and a crippling self doubt. Not to mention, a preferrence for keeping a dignified posture. They really don't care for emotional dramatics at all.
But you know what? Sometimes life throws stuff at us, and we simply have to pull ourselves out of our comfort zones and deal with them, or they will never go away, or never get better, and our spirit dies a slow and painfull death. (coupled with GUILT about not living your life as you know you should be, and knowing that it's all your own fault)

Firstly, I would suggest reading up on the Aries character as much as you can get your hands on, then...emmulate it. They really DO respect a strong personality, and people who can meet them at that level always evoke their respect. People who do not, will be walked all over...until they take a stand.

It can be done tactfully, and in a civilized manner, or it can be ugly. Try the first option first. Don't start out by suggesting that you are thinking of leaving, but rather, come from the direction of wanting to make the relatonship better. Spell it out for him exactly what you feel you need, that you're not getting from the relationship. Bring it up more than once. In fact, bring it up often. He will get so sick and tired of talks about the relationship, that you may very well end up driving HIM away, and then you won't have to worry about it. Or, you may actually effect a positive change in the relationship, and things will be better for you.

I wounldn't recommend putting all your eggs in the Gemini basket, because they can be fickle, especially with situations that are too complicated. And yours will be complicated before it's resolved. But, maybe AFTER it's over, in the future, you can look him up again. Or, maybe someone else will walk into your life.

Whatever happens, you DO deserve to be happy. Your child needs you to be happy too, or you'll pass on your baggage to him, and he'll be sitting in a shrinks office one day, excerzising the psychological demons that having a depressed mother will surely give him.

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posted July 02, 2004 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Lioneye... right on, honey!!!
That's basically what I said too. With my experience with Aries, and your experience with Virgos, I think that's some good advice!

Of course, if the situation should be explosive, then shelters are absolutely a very valid option. Why else are they there, if not to be utilized?

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posted July 02, 2004 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lioneye68     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, of course. Only she knows how volitile he really is, and how serious the threat of a violent reaction is.

Also, he'd have to have some pretty good dirt on you to be able to take your child away. The courts almost always rule in favor of keeping the mother and child together, unless the mother is unfit in some way. Somehow, I really doubt if Virgomaiden is an unfit mother.

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pixelpixie
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posted July 03, 2004 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
By the way............

The title of your thread... "what's wrong with me?"
You know what? My answer is...

Nothing.

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babylonphoenix
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posted July 06, 2004 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for babylonphoenix     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with lioneye.
I would like to advise you to break up.
I don't like if my boyfriend or husband that scream at me.my father never scream at me.there is no need to scream at anybody for any reason.
aries are not bad.I had smiliar situation like you .I was trying to help a friend ,he did hit me,not because he is aries ,it was because this person had mental illness ,I means mental illness in a way that they are normal at normal situation,and when they are in some situtation they feel unsure they turn up to be lose self-control and violent.
I know that he had that problem ,but I was still wanted to help ,but with his selfish action,he turn everything with bad ending,without accept that he was wrong like he NEVER wrong and he always lies ,tell everyone he knows that only good things about himself.
anyway ,it was all over,I feel good now.I am in love with someone that is aries with a real good heart by natual.
if you found it difficult to leave him ,then start to talk to your close friends as many as possible and go out of twon .
stay with someone would care for you ,not scream at you.

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VirgoMaiden
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posted July 10, 2004 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoMaiden     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I did it. I kept going over it in my head but I finally made up my mind and I told him as directly and as diplomatically as I could. It wasn't easy. He was at work and insisted I tell him what was wrong so I did. I wanted to do it person because I thought it would be more appropriate but I knew he couldn't leave it alone until then. He has a tendency to attempt at being an authority figure towards me so I found myself involved in a lecture about why I'm wrong and how this is the dumbest mistake I could ever make. But I didn't back down, and I'm proud of myself for that. And he did explode. When I told him he couldn't change my mind he said the same thing he'd said before, that he would take my son away. So I went to my mother's house and locked all the doors and waited until he was done with work. He never showed up. I didn't hear from him until the next night. He said he'd walked around town until 7 in the morning and wanted to discuss what to do with our son. So I agreed and we talked. He was very nice about it and told me he wanted to talk away from my mom's house about this. I told him that I would, on my terms, but he hasn't been around very much. I'm a little concerned only because I feel like he's still trying to "prove himself worthy" as if that could solve the whole problem. I don't want him to think that the end of this relationship should be the basis of his self-worth. I don't like having that kind of power. But I do want to encourage him to get his life straight but if I do, then he feels that somehow that means we're back together or that there's a chance. I'm not sure what to do here. And also, I will definitely remain friends with my Gemini. I need to work on myself before I lose my mind on someone else. Besides, right now, he's more valuable as my friend than anything else. He's really supportive and there if I need someone to listen to me. But that's it because I just can not handle anymore emotions in my face. Especially with my son, he's a Pisces and we're very tuned into each other. The present stress now is physically effecting his mood. So that's it for now. I'm still going through the process and I can't thank you all enough. All your comments have really opened my eyes. There were a lot of things I just didn't see for whatever reason. So thank you.

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posted July 10, 2004 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message

I am glad something has happened to dissolve the hardness of non-resolution. I am glad this standstill has ended and you can now carry on without some weight on your shoulders.
You can do it!

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posted July 10, 2004 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
Be selfish and think of your son and yourself FIRST. Not the guy's feelings, and oh, how can you mend things and make it easy for him.

What guy wouldn't want a woman who always thought about HIM and his ego first.

It's going to feel strange at first, like it's not right. But stick with it, and you'll understand.

Do not, under any circumstance, meet with him alone.

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posted July 18, 2004 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PrincessO27     Edit/Delete Message
Hi VirgoMaiden. I'm sorry to hear that you are having such a hard time with this Aries man in your life. But I just wanted to answer your question about whether or not he will act on the things he says or if he's just throwing empty threats at you to scare you. Being an Aries, I know how rash and impulsive we can be. When he says these things I'm sure that at the moment he is saying them he does mean it and probably can't control himself while at that point and will do what he says. Aries act in the moment, they feel whatever emotion they feel at that moment and that is all that completely absorbs them at the time. What I'm trying to say is that afterwards, when he has had some time to cool off he probably thinks about what he said and most likely would not do half the things he said...but that is only after he has had time to cool off. While "in the moment" he may actually do those things. Anyway, I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just giving you it straight from another Aries to let you know how we are...I'm really sorry about your relationship and I hope things work out for you. Good luck.
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posted July 19, 2004 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philbird     Edit/Delete Message
To the many out there...
Do you have a best friend that you completely trust?
If you do, ask yourself, Would I let my best friend do this to me? If the answer is no, than why would you let someone who claims they love you do it?
It's a very simple question to ask yourself when you start to get negative vibes in any kind of relationship. No matter what "sign" they are. If you lable someone with the negative aspects of a sign, then you are giving them permission to act as they will. despite how you feel.
Labels are limiting. Take care.

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