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soulscorp
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posted July 10, 2004 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulscorp     Edit/Delete Message
I am a female scorp, have a dear friend who I have known for about a year that I have a stealth crush on who is a pisces. I know pisces can be oblivious to these matters and I also know they tend to have enough insecurity that they won't make the first move - so even if he feels the same way, romantically we are at a stalemate. As I have not confessed my romantic feelings I have focused on the friendship. I have run the charts, there seems to be a stong capacity for romance in numerous areas (ascendant in cancer, venus opposition ascendant, venus in 7th house, moon trine venus, sun opposition ascendant, moon square jupiter, moon in the 11th house) as well as an emphasis on sex but we also have jupiter trine neptune which although makes the relationship very spiritual I think it may preclude any romance. we also have a few other areas that make this a very spiritual relationship as well as encouraging of growth. on the down side we have some areas of ego and communication that we need to work on regardless of what kind of relationship we have (also in the chart).

In the friendship I have felt very taken for granted (also in the charts - LOL) which recently I have finally verbalized to him. The conversations we have had about how I am feeling about our relationship have focused on the "friendship" and what I feel it's lacking (again, have not confessed my true feelings). He stresses that we have a "connection" but also states over and over again that he doesn't want to "define this relationship".

now then, my question is...am I getting this speech about "defining the relationship" because he wants to leave things open to other possibilities or is it because he doesn't want to have to be responsible for the friendship so he doesn't want it defined as such? you pisces...so slippery ;-)

click the link to check our charts...

http://www.astro.c om/cgi/chart.cgi?nhor=1&nho2=2&btyp=671&mth=gw&hsy=&zod=&sday=11&smon=7&syr=2004&rs=&orbp=&cid=z0nfile5uBq62-u1089509515&lang=e&gm=a1&ast=

or... http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?nhor=1&nho2=2&btyp=61&mth=gw&hsy=&zod=&sday=11&smon=7&syr=2004&rs=&orbp=&cid=z0nfile5uBq62-u1089509515&lang=e&gm=a1&ast=

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Randall
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posted July 10, 2004 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome!

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"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark

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astro junkie
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posted July 11, 2004 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
I know your Mars is in Capricorn, but could see where his Mars is.

Does he have any planets in Aquarius, Gemini, or Sag? Or any major aspects to Uranus, Mercury or Jupiter?

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soulscorp
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posted July 11, 2004 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulscorp     Edit/Delete Message
his mars & mercury in aquarius, neptune in sag - rising sign gemini, MC aquarius.

his mercury is a mess as is his uranus but his jupiter seems pretty chill tho squared against the sun. check out his chart tho, 2 kites, grand trine, and one of those rectangles with an x - can't remember what it's called...

click here for his:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&cid=z0nfile5uBq62-u1089 509515&nhor=2&go.x=18&go.y=6

click here for mine:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=achart_z0nfile5uBq62 -u1089509515.49813.6532.gif&res=63&va=

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sthenri
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posted July 11, 2004 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
You both have Gemini ascendants so that's good. I noticed that as a Scorpio with a Cancer moon, earth is lacking, and the Pisces has Jupiter in Taurus as a singleton.

He's very strong willed and wants to better himself financially and physically, he is independent and that's attractive to you. His MC is in Aquarius conjunct Mars and Mercury, he is a go getter who thinks for himself and needs mental space. Plus he likes to be the one to make the moves.

Your attraction to him lies in your Cancer moon to his Pisces moon, your Pisces north node to his Moon which is at the top of his chart, your Gemini ascendant and his North node in Libra. His Mars in Aquarius resonates with your Cancer moon which needs a thinking partner. You rely on him instinctively to have the answers and to be strong in the relationship.

Without realizing it, you have started to expect too much from him. This will happen in your relationship again and again, you must learn to pull back and see where you are leaning on him and make an effort to be independent.

A pisces moon man who has his moon at the top of his chart is hard to pin down. On one hand he wants a feeling partner, on the other he needs public recognition and needs to be free to gather as much reassurance as he can. His career is focused on taking care of others one way or another and he may feel overwhelmed in having to express too much personal attention.

He suffers hidden resentments that he can't show the world and wants to rely on you to voice them. He seems unhappy to you and so you think that defining your relationship he will be reassured.

But his moods are too changeable to pinpoint.
Go ahead and lean on him and let him know where he is lacking, at least with honesty both of you will be free of hidden anger and resentments. There is no point in bullying each other but in reality with two water moons that won't happen.

Be very clear in your thoughts and signals to him, possibly writing down what you want to say before down. Communication will be slow going, as he has Venus in Aries. He is really impatient and not much of a listener, don't let it upset you.

As for his insecurities, he has them. Lots of them, and it's best not to probe. He has a lot of pride and unless you really feel he is being secretive and evasive, let him have space for now anyway.

Let us know, how your relationship is progressing day to day, that's where everything will come clear. Be sure to read up on Jupiter singletons.

Natasha
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sthenri
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posted July 11, 2004 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
I want to clarify,
I said pull back but then you may wonder why I said go ahead and lean on him? Here's a working example: Go ahead and let him define the relationship emotionally for right now. Then write down the things that are lacking, the things you really feel are unacceptable and confront him with these thoughts all at once, rather than bit by bit.

That's my recommendation,
It may help to think about how you fit into this man's career because his work will come first most of the time.

Natasha

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soulscorp
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posted July 11, 2004 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulscorp     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much sthenri! Yes our charts together suggest to have no expectation of the relationship so there lies some of the problem. And although he hasn't voiced them to me (due to his pride no doubt) I can sense how insecure he is.

I think the main issue right now is I keep saying to him, "as a friend I need..." and as much as we deal with the issue (interestingly he wants to talk about this a great deal more than I do - I'm not dating this guy so I find it strange that he wants to keep rehashing our relationship but that's a good thing I suppose) but when I state something regarding our friendship, using the word "friend" sends him off into this tear about "NOT defining our relationship". again, not sure if he wants is to leave the door open to something else or not have to take any responisibility in the friendship.

I have leaned on him in expressing what I feel like the situation is lacking & my expectations are not extreme, they are actually quite normal. we continue to rehash it and we are just having serious communication issues. and again, I have this silly crush which complicates things. I know where my attraction to him lies but I wonder if he feels the same attraction to me or if this is one sided. if anyone could answer that I'd be pleased, I am not that far advanced in interpreting the charts - regardless, right now I am focused on the friendship.

as for fitting into his career, I actually do so quite nicely.

where can I read more on singletons?

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sthenri
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posted July 11, 2004 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
If you have a crush on him, you are communicating that signal very clearly however you define it. That may be why he is confused by the word friend, so technically you are kind of leaning towards romance with him.

It's not healthy to deny your love nature, it has to be expressed somewhere eventually.

Yes I think he wants the door open, he's probably indecisive about what to do,

singletons: http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/jupiter/jupiter.htm

Good Luck,

Natasha
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Cancer Moon/8th house

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astro junkie
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posted July 11, 2004 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
When you say "as a friend I need", I mean, if you were to say it to me I'd be thinking it's a contradiction in terms.

You needn't remind someone that they are your friend only because you need something. Friends, true friends, already know they've made a contract to help one another with their needs. But some people can concentrate on your needs for 10 seconds, others for 10 days. Everyone is different.

Just blurt out - spew out - if you need to. If he's your friend, he'll understand, and you won't have to walk on egg shells.

He'll dig that.

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soulscorp
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posted July 11, 2004 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulscorp     Edit/Delete Message
ahhhh, there in lies the rub. I don't think he's given me even the 10 seconds LOL thus the current conflict and that's why we continue having this discussion about friendship. it's a very one sided relationship unfortunately though again we have what seems to be a powerful connection.

our sun is in the 6th house...

"The sixth house is one of the more difficult positions for a composite Sun, because it is inherently a house of inequality. In most relationships there must be some balance between taking and giving. But in a relationship with a sixth-house Sun, one partner gives and the other takes.
The great danger of this position is that one of you is likely to feel taken advantage of by the other."

I completely understand what you mean but I will say I am a bit like a cactus...a tad prickly on the outside, pretty self sufficient, but do need a little maintinence from time to time LOL.

there will be no blurting out though I definately am a blurter, just need to see if the friendship can be just a tad more equal which is why that one statement about defining things is a puzzlement - if he's saying that because he doesn't want the friendship confined by societies rules of friendship (oh you abstract and esoteric pisces lot), he's essentially saying "tough luck, I can't and won't be bothered to put a bit of effort into maintaining this relationship". I promise, I am not asking him for much. I am a reasonable girl and am holding him to the same standards of love and support my other friends offer, nothing more but definately nothing less.

you guys have been SOOOOOOO lovely about this though, thanks for talking ( or should I say typing) me through it.

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astro junkie
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posted July 11, 2004 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I'm a Libra with lots of Scorp, and I'm looking for that "friendship/romance" type relationship. So maybe that's what you need. You'd be on the cutting edge. So be ready to tread new tracks.

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soulscorp
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posted July 12, 2004 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulscorp     Edit/Delete Message
LOL - I'm a scorp with a lot of libra! that friendship thing is so important!

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pixelpixie
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posted July 12, 2004 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixelpixie     Edit/Delete Message
Hiya!
Fellow Scorp here.. with Libra Mercury and Pluto.
Just wanted to briefly say ( as you've had enough awesome advice) No matter what other aspects you have together, Sun to Sun, this is a good union. Scorpio and Pisces is mutually wonderful and understanding and deep. Friendship or otherwise.
And reading into it a bit, his saying he doesn't want to define the relationship, after you mention 'friends' is as good as admitting he is attracted to you. You know he is anyway, but it has reached a stalemate of waiting out what fate might throw at you both. Maybe be a tad more bold one time, lead the horse to water, so to speak... send signals, be receptive to them. See where that gets you. Good luck.

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sthenri
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posted July 12, 2004 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
What's the entire composite?
and what is your composite ascendant?
Yes that is a difficult position, depending on how proud one of you is, it's going to be very hard for both of you to give in without resentments. Everything can become a power play. Honestly this position is not ideal for any kind of romance, where sensitive feelings are concerned.

It's better for co-workers, and that's where you may have met, at work. It's a working partnership, once you stop working on a specific project, it ends. Relationships are an extension of ourselves, once we change the relationship usually fades away unless we make an effort, the relationship can't sustain itself.

You can't remarket yourself to the same person, so it sounds like something has changed and he is different right now. He doesn't want to define it because he doesn't see the purpose right now, if your friendship had a purpose before, he may be a methodical thinker who just wants to make sense of your friendship.

He doesn't want to feel useless, or hopeless, but you both tend to feel that way with each other any way, because you are both so efficient, in other words you don't need each other.

For a man that's really tough to handle, and it doesn't foster sensitive, tender feelings. In romance there has to be a need, or at least the relationship has to be a vital extension of what is going on today, in the here and now.

If you change, move, grow, in anyway, many relationships will be cast off as you try new ones on. You can't change that or else you feel stagnant, and the relationship dies anyway. If the relationship is needed you will feel it, have your crush but don't expect it to become a full blown love affair. And he is not the type to be demonstrative about his feelings that way.

For a love affair, there are many good composite placements, but some have a future and some don't. You not only have to ask yourself if you want a love affair, but do you want it to last? Don't say of course!

Do you want to face a future, even if it's uncertain together, or do you want a more certain future together or apart? What are you willing to put up with to be with someone, now, or in the future?

And finally do you think he will face the future with you? If there is strife and turmoil?

Will it be for better only?

You know the answers to all those questions by viewing his personality. See him not as a vital part of your future but as he is now, pull back. Do you think he could face an uncertain future with you? If not then he is best as a boyfriend for now, who is fun to be with and who helps you out from time to time. You are both hypercritical of each other occasionally, and there may be too many superficial like interests to keep it romantic.

I have the composite 6th with a neighbor who loves to come over and fix things, and that's it. I could push it because he's cute but he would just get confused. That's his place in my life, that's what astrology is for to tell us what is going on. It doesn't tell us the future, only what we have become, what we have done with our lives.

You in essence created the sixth house framework with him, so now you can either change your life, or wait for him to change his, or accept him as a careful and concerned friend who likes to do things with you as long as those projects continue. He doesn't want to have to get mushy, because there's not future in it.

But I have been very much attracted to those with the composite in the 6th. How do I reconcile that? Well, I don't, because I have many 6th house and Virgo placements, and honestly I know that the 6th house is about servicing others and pleasing others. I am good at pleasing others and very much want that to continue. Every 6th house guy ends up fixing my car, or moving furniture and then I end up attracted to him, since my life is filled with 6th house people, it's easy to get attracted.

But they can't stand the emotions, and there is nowhere for these poor men to run to. They feel hopeless and useless unless they are doing something, and love is not on the agenda.

It's compassionate to value someone's love nature, and accept what you have. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to enrich our lives with friends and family. Be grateful and at the same time see that compassion does not need to be personal.

It's difficult to see that, but what you have is a compassionate friend, who may be kind of sexy, but he is not a passionate guy even if he is a Pisces. The 6th house will not give you passion.

You can pour all the passion you want into it, but it's not meant to be that way, and it will result in moodiness and loss of self esteem for you, which will just make your boyfriend unhappy because he wants you to be happy. Don't lean that way, lean back for a while. You can tell him for me, that he is a boyfriend, but you are not putting all your eggs in one basket. Probably he will think you are very smart for doing that, even if it means you are just thinking about yourself.

The composite 5th is not that great for everyone, even though astro.com says it is. I have that with a boyfriend right now, and it's pretty much a lazy thing we have. I prefer the jump and snap of a composite in the 8th, or 3rd. But you get what you get and you make the best of it. I can always have other male friends, Thank God, this boyfriend is not jealous. If that's what you need, to feel useful, the 6th house composite does not result in jealousy usually.

But with your Scorpio sun, you need an affair in the long term to have some jump, crackle and pop. Look for friendships you already have in the 8th, or 4th, it's not bending fate to do that. Right now I am looking for a slightly hyper, strong man to move something and I have to call some people. It doesn't mean that I don't care, or that I am going to devote the rest of my life to this man.

Remember, relationships are an extension of what we already are, I'm not telling you anything you don't alreay know.

Natasha
Sun Taurus/6th house
Venus Aries/4th house
Mercury Gemini/7th

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sthenri
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posted July 12, 2004 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/
Here is a good site to determine your long term future with him.
Go to the emotional needs section, I am sure there is a questionaire called Love Busters to see how compatible you are. To really do the work, try all the tests and apply them to him too.

Dont' settle, and don't let him settle.

This is an excellent website, that ought to be put to use a little more.

Natasha

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soulscorp
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posted July 12, 2004 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulscorp     Edit/Delete Message
natasha - thank you so much and I am pulling back, that's why I have expressed that I am dissatisfied with the current state of our friendship and AGAIN focusing on the friendship, not romance. disheartening tho that I am here to serve. as for him being a methodical thinker, it's quite the opposite, he's quite a free and abstract thinker. here's the composite:

Ascendant in Cancer

sun in the 6th
moon in the 11th
mercury in the 6th
venus in 7th & 1st
mars in 8th
jupiter in 2nd
saturn in 12th
uranus in 4th
neptune in 6th
pluto in 4th

Mercury Opposition Saturn
Mercury Sextile Uranus
Venus Opposition Ascendant
Venus Square Uranus
Mars Opposition Jupiter
Mars Square Uranus
Mars Trine Pluto
Mars Sextile Neptune
Jupiter Sextile Pluto
Jupiter Trine Neptune
Saturn Trine Uranus
Neptune Sextile Pluto
Pluto Square Ascendant
Sun Opposition Ascendant
Sun Square Pluto
Moon Square Jupiter
Moon Trine Venus

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sthenri
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posted July 12, 2004 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sthenri     Edit/Delete Message
Cancer ascendant is always warm and sexy (especially for you) so there is where you are being drawn in, but look at Pluto in the 4th, and Mars in the 8th. There is some healing transformative quality to the relationship. It's there for a purpose, possibly to heal you or ease a condition in your life. Make sure to see the big picture.

This thread may help: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002868.html

Natasha

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