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Leo the Lioness
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From: White Plains, NY
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posted September 25, 2004 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo the Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
does anyone else besides me think that all this digging, probing, analyzing and guessing we all do with our relationships could be causing some of us to actually be doing them harm or a disservice? you know what i'm trying to say?

sometimes i just back off from looking stuff up and trying to see what "meaning" is behind everything and just let things take their natural course....whatever will be, will be, etc....

then there are other times when i just can't resist looking at charts, trying to get tips and hints and insight into the people in my life so that understanding can prevail and promote more harmony....believe me, i'm not putting this whole practice down cuz i do it quite a bit, too

i'm just wondering if anyone else thinks that it might not be a very good idea to do a lot of it and get all caught up in the meanings and possible meanings of things...

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Leo Sun
Aquarius Moon & Rising
Leo Merc
Virgo Venus, Rx
Scorpio Mars

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astro junkie
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posted September 25, 2004 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astro junkie     Edit/Delete Message
no

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lllog
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posted September 25, 2004 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lllog     Edit/Delete Message
Forewarned is forearmed.

Lanny

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purple_scorp
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posted September 25, 2004 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for purple_scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Leo the Lioness,

I know what you are talking about. Sometimes I wonder if I know too much and is that a good or a bad thing?

You see, nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so (Shakespeare quote).

As well as astrology, I might do a tarot or oracle reading on a person or a situation and that just adds more confusion. Sometimes I deliberately do nothing (though I always tend to do the natal chart - whether I tell them or not is another story).

Hmm, when you lexigram my name, I have ANALYSE and DETAIL in it.

Being a scorp doesn't help either, the detective in me just has to get to the bottom of the situation.

I have this way of getting people to look at things that I uncover and some of them just aren't ready and they run.

Then I wonder, hmm, if I didn't know that about them, they might not have run (but I know in my heart they would end up running anyhow).

So, I think there is a balance. Perhaps the key is knowing what to divulge and what not to.

purple_scorp

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CancerianMoon
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posted September 25, 2004 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CancerianMoon     Edit/Delete Message
i understand what your saying leo
i "think" astrologically everyday without fail...with every one i come in contact with...im not super knowledgable on astrology..but even the basics help u to understand others..i think the key is to remember nothing is set in concrete...the planets are influential not a guarantee.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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From: just north of Boston, MA
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posted September 26, 2004 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Lioness,

You hit upon one of the significant themes in my life... I am notorious for second-guessing and analyzing to death nearly every aspect of my daily existence. I gradually came to a point where I could automatically call to mind several highly-credible cliches, each of them potentially applying to the given situation (whatever it may be), and each in stark contradiction to the rest. I realized that 99% of all the advice people try to feed you, is probably just based on the first potentially relevant cliche that comes into their mind.
"[Even the devil can quote scriptue to his purpose.]"
- Shakespeare

Since, it seemed to me, logic could just as easily negate all that it set out to affirm, I lost confidence in it. In consequence, I began to develop my intuition to (what I feel is) a remarkable degree. I suspect that this sort of experience is a microcosm of what the mythologists refer to as "the sacrifice of the intellect"; you know, like Gandalf giving the ring to Frodo (just to name one of a billion examples); but, more poignantly, like when the Buddhist renounces (in part or altogether) "his" attachment to dualistic thinking. Then again, maybe I'm just full of it...
Time to empty myself.


Some original poems that vaguely apply to the topic at hand:


Pen and Sword


Ripened thoughts to actions tend,
As fruit falls from the vine.

But thoughts too long ensconced ferment
and are overfed,

like rotten fruit that, greedy,
clings to parch'd stem.

True,
the pen insights a million swords,
and nations, to a noble thought their births belong -

But words do not a sword uphold,
Nor slackened arms contend;

Sharp wills must hearken and be bold
For tragedies to mend,

And all the world's unblighted hope
is nothing without them.


Unseen

What's seen is yet unseen, and all unseen is seen;
There is no spirit without flesh, no skin without a soul. -
When every-thing becomes itself, bespeaking nothing else,
It's self just turns to something else, - and nothing grown but grows.

Whither breathes this breath? And hither breath expels?
Living dream? Or dreaming death? Heaven only knows. -
But, what is what and which is which; my Heaven is your Hell.
Chimerical is all the world, and nothing is disclosed.

Trust

What is this passing, unresolved,
Now or never to devolve; -
Never stopping for directions;
Busy asking busy questions;

Not to smell the scented flowers
Where they sit upon the grass
And wait for us, in untold hours,
Who never stop, but hurry past?

This living death that never lived -
How came we thus, to call it dear;
When what we think we never know,
And who we are is never here?

Not once do we but dare resist
The thought that we but do exist -
Yet, while our thinking-thoughts persist,
Our whole existences are missed!

With every breath we breathe our last,
And every sigh is but a gasp -
For you yourself do you subvert
When you yourself you do assert.

So, let us not reflect ourselves;
Reflections are but empty cells.
But desperate-seeming moments quell,
When silent thoughts in silence dwell.

Abstraction though it truly be,
There's more than timber to a tree;
More meets the eye than we can see;
There's more than what is seen to be; -

There's more to you and more to me;
We're more than we could ever be. -
God must be more than just a "He";
There's too much possibility.

There's more to life than living, just,
And wind is more than but a gust;
There's more to loving than to lust
(Far more about the breast than bust); -

And more to ashes, more to dust;
More to 'may' and more to 'must';
More to earth than just a crust, -
But nothing more to truth than trust.

Altars And Pulpits

"To a woman who prayed with her butt in the air, I remarked in passing, "God is also behind you."
- Diogenes the Cynic


Our backs are turned to God;
No wonder we don't see 'Him'. -
That's the trouble with having a back.

Some say God is also a man;
His back is always turned on someone.

Everywhere, men go to men to find God.
Pulpits are built where altars grew;
Stages for men; theaters for God. -

The actor is easy to distinguish
(He's always the one
Not facing the cross).

These narrow theater walls -
Someone must always stand outside them.

They say that God is in the church,
But every week they look there.
I think they will go on looking.

God is known by His absence.
Don't we all feel this presence?

Who said 'there are no contradictions'?
He only spoke half-truths.


,
Isn't It Chironic

(a.k.a. Heart-Shaped Cross)

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"Judgment is the antithesis of understanding."
- Stephen Wallace Coltin

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Wordweaver
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posted September 26, 2004 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wordweaver     Edit/Delete Message
Hello, Lioness.

I both agree, and disagree. On one hand, I think it's silly to let an unharmonious placement or chart deter someone from pursuing a possible love interest; after all, isn't the challenge what makes it interesting?
On the other hand, knowing someone's chart gives us an upper hand into their personalities. For instance, as a Scorpio Sun, the first thing I want to know about a prospective partner is their sex patterns, or lack there-of. Knowing that your Mars is in Scorpio lets me know that some of my more "off-the-wall" suggestions in the bedroom (or out of it) won't have you running for the hills.

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Wordweaver
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posted September 26, 2004 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wordweaver     Edit/Delete Message
Hello, Lioness.

I both agree, and disagree. On one hand, I think it's silly to let an unharmonious placement or chart deter someone from pursuing a possible love interest; after all, isn't the challenge what makes it interesting?
On the other hand, knowing someone's chart gives us an upper hand into their personalities. For instance, as a Scorpio Sun, the first thing I want to know about a prospective partner is their sex patterns, or lack there-of. Knowing that your Mars is in Scorpio lets me know that some of my more "off-the-wall" suggestions in the bedroom (or out of it) won't have you running for the hills.

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Leo the Lioness
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posted September 27, 2004 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo the Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
wouldn't that be true if my Mars were in Aquarius, instead? *LOL* ......i know what you're saying, and thanks for your feedback

in fact, thanks everyone else, too

HRC those poems are excellent....i admire your style

i like AstroJunkie's answer....one word, direct and to the point: "no" .... *LOL*

i thought of this question cuz i really messed up an important relationship by probing too deep and getting obsessed and so wrapped up in it that i wound up making many unnecessary mistakes, which ultimately destroyed the entire thing.....now THAT is what i would attribute to having Mars in Scorpio

one example comes to mind:

say someone's Venus is in Taurus....a lot of what i've read about Taurus claims the natives love chocolate and one would assume having that as a Venus sign, it would ring true, no?

what if another aspect of that person's chart denotes an allergy or dislike for chocolate and i wind up going out on a limb, assuming he or she likes chocolate, only to find that they either despise it or can suffer and die from it??

this is what i mean (not specifically, obviously)

i wonder sometimes how much of this is actually counter-productive

but never mind, i need to get back to investigating HRC's chart now....

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Leo Sun
Aquarius Moon & Rising
Leo Merc
Virgo Venus, Rx
Scorpio Mars

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purplezen
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posted September 27, 2004 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for purplezen     Edit/Delete Message
all I know is, I dont want to hear any bad news, lol. I know what you mean lioness.

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BloodRedMoon
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posted September 27, 2004 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BloodRedMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Well.. I dunno. Because really I don't do a whole lot of it.

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