posted October 28, 2004 08:40 PM         

I'm a sag and my bf is a Virgo. We have A LOT of differences, but it seems like we have something kinda special working for us... like we need each other somehow. Since we've been together, things have really picked up for each of us in regard to our future career paths; we seem to really bring out this stuff in each other.

We tend to influence each other in lots of ways and we find that we have lots of reasons why this "shouldn't" work, but we both feel like there are strong possibilities of a future together... (not that either of us wants to jump to conclusions.)

Any karmic implications here? Or anything of the sort?

Thanks in advance,
Carissa

Our info:

Me~
12/16/76
7:34 am
Tampa, FL

Him~
09/10/76
1:30 pm
Lima, OH

posted October 29, 2004 08:50 AM         

one thing I noticed about your birthdates is that you both have Life Path (or birth force) Master Numbers of 33/6. Here is some text on it:

Life Path #33

The 33 is the most influential of all numbers. It is the Master of Healing Love. The 33 combines the 11 and the 22 and brings their potential to another level. When expressed to the fullest, the 33 lacks all personal ambition, and instead focuses its considerable abilities toward the spiritual uplifting of mankind. What makes the 33 especially impressive, is the high level of sincere devotion. This is shown in its determination to seek understanding and wisdom before preaching to others. The 33 in full force is extremely rare.

The 33 is on the journey of discovering its' powerful healing energiy through an open heart and unconditional love.

33 Keywords: Altruistic, Selfless Service, Ministering, Avatar, Mystical, Nurturing of the Spirit, intuitive, Emotional, Protective, Loving, Teacher of Teachers, Crusader for Justice.

That also puts you both in a personal year of 7. Here is some text on it:

The Seven Personal Year - Reflection

It is somewhat of a sabbatical year for you. After the 6 year where you took care of just about everybody else, this is the year to pause and take care of yourself. Look for answers inside of you rather than looking to others for answers. You have been going strong for 6 years now and time has come to look back, analyze and integrate everything. Take stock of what has been working for you and what you have outgrown. Observe with detachment what no longer works for you and ask yourself if you have outgrown it. Time has come to let go. You are slowly and patiently progressing. It is not a good idea to rush things this year. Place your focus on your skills and refine them. You feel a new sense of self-worth and a new maturity. Move forward slowly and with patience. Money is coming your way if you are willing to wait, pushing will not help. If you are tired, it is a sign telling you to slow down and bring back balance in your life. Things outside of your control may force you to slow down, if you don't do it on your own. In partnerships and marriage there could be conflicts arising, but taking a step back and reworking agreements will bring things back on track. Remember what is happening is meant to be that way. Enjoy the tranquility of this year as next year will be very hectic.

Taking the analogy of a farmer planting a field, the farmer is patiently waiting for the plants to mature.

I got this information from this website:
http://www.orpheus2004.net/numFrame.htm

And if you are really keen, you can both come and join a Master Number Gathering forum here:
http://groups.msn.com/Masternumbergathering

posted October 29, 2004 11:16 AM         

I just did the calculator, and my Life Path is 11/2. Any info on how to achieve the most from this?

posted October 30, 2004 06:15 AM         

you should come over to the Master Number Gathering forum and meet some other 11/2 Life Planners....

I am a 22 Life Plan, by the way.

Let me start by saying that I know a little bit about numerology, but I'm not an expert - so this information comes paraphrased to you courtesy of Titania.....

One of your lessons will be to learn patience so that you can achieve the high standards that you seek.

The book talks about parental tension that you experienced as a child. Now interestingly, I was talking about this very topic with another Master Number Gatherer member and he was commenting on how most of the ones that had posted there had described rather traumatic childhoods. I mean that in the way that we had a lot to cope with. For me, it was my parents divorce. But for others there is molestation etc.

You will hvae learnt leadership and pesonal strength through many tests that have your already been set. It talks about a life where you strive for perfection but also that this will bring out the best in you.

Follow your intuition. Your emotional stability will be tested again and again, because you are struggling with your rational nature versus your emotional needs. The book suggests to focus on one clear ambition.

"When you have discovered how to utilise your expectional charm and glamour, intellect and originality, you will understand how to draw what you need in love."

It's saying if you don't get too emotionally involved with things, the world is your oyster.

You need personal happiness and spiritual direction in order to realise your dreams.

Were you a drama queen in your earlier years, btw? As you get older you will master the way to control your feelings.

Possible vocations include: performer, speaker, lecturer, writer, or inventor. Really it says you can do whatever you want but it may result in you trying to hard.

You have a large capacity to inspire others and you feel this is your duty. If you fulfill this, you will be happy.

Hmm, how did that sit?

posted October 30, 2004 09:30 AM         

I've also said that when I was younger, I did not quite know how to drive my Moon in Cancer - plus I have Merc/Mars/Neptune in Scorpio for good measure, and a Chiron in Pisces. Yes.

Life has been extremely difficult for me, and I pray every single day to never return here again. This includes what my Chiron in Pisces stands for, in the sense that we really FEEL all of the world's woe's. So it's not just my personal life, but all the horrible things that happen to people every day, and nowadays, what COULD happen in the most tragic hateful sense. Every global incident just crushes me.

Also, I'm one of those 11:11 people. Ever since I was 18 years old, and to this day, I see those numbers on the clock, or 1:11, or the number 11 will come up all the time. It's always made my heart skip a beat when I see it, and makes me ultra aware of everything for the moment. I've learned to use the sightings as landmarks.

It's true about needing personal happiness which often confuses people, (as in my Aquarius/Uranus influences) AND I've been completely devoted to my spirituality for many years, for example, having gone celibate for 5 years straight, etc. So yeah. Totally necessary to try to "reach my dreams".

And the "perfection" aspect? Yup, true too, with a Venus Conjunct Pluto in Virgo, and all my Scorp Planets in the 6th House.

Thank you very much for that Purple Scorp. I'm gonna save that info and check into that online group.

.gloria

posted October 30, 2004 09:47 PM         

Gloria, there are a few similarities between us, I have Sun/Merc/Neptune/Venus is Scorp (though 1st/2nd house) and my Chiron is in Pisces too (6th house).

I'm not 4th house jinxed - it is empty - Capricorn.

Interesting that you touched on the writing because the Master Number member that lead me to that forum is a screen writer. He has a day force number of 11 and he feels a duty to enlighten everyone with his writing. I am a writer too (hobby).

About the 11:11 - there was a post just recently on Master Numbers about this.

I'm looking forward to seeing you there....my forum name is purple_lilac_violet because for some reason, I had problems with purple_scorp (even though my profile displays that name).

posted October 31, 2004 01:06 AM         

Sometimes I'm more willing to just go with an existing thread rather than start one that's "all about me me me", you know... I think it's cool for anyone to interject in threads I start - just not sure how others may feel about that sometimes.

Thanks for letting me know we have some stuff in common. I'm going through such a rough time, well, it's like my whole life's been rough, although it's all relative.

posted November 03, 2004 09:48 PM         

The numerology stuff was helpful. I checked out the link and if you have any more links, I'd love to read them.

Also, if anyone has anything else to say about this relationship I'd be interested in your input.

I will say that I feel a strong sense of "brotherhood" with him. There isn't as much emotional passion in this relationship as I am generally up for, but something tells me that this is something better for me... to put it a better way, this entire relationship has a definite "vegetables before dessert" feel to it, if that makes any sense at all.

I feel like I am doing a bizarre amount of growing since we've been together and he's noticed the same thing. In any case, something about it seems "fated," but not in the way I would have expected.

I'm not making a whole lot of sense I'm afraid. If anyone picks through this and comes up with anything I'd appreciate it!

Thanks a bunch!

Carissa

posted November 04, 2004 03:24 AM         

on the contrary, I think what you said makes/made perfect sense. I particularly loved your "vegetables before dessert" reference.

It sounds as if you are feeling that there is a long term benefit by being in this relationship, however, the short term may not be running as smoothly as you'd like.

posted November 04, 2004 05:13 PM         

Yeah, that's pretty much what I mean. Things right now are really great, it just really has a drawn-out long-term feel to it. Usually my relationships fire up and burn out fast, but this one seems to be on a slow burner with the best yet to come. I don't know... something just tells me I'm supposed to be here.

posted November 05, 2004 06:23 AM         

Your anxiety then, is probably related to the fact that this is new territory for you. If you are used to a quick burn, then a sizzle, then a fizzle - it's not a bad thing to go to a slow simmer. It's just different.

Probably good that you are analysing too, just don't over-do the analysis and leave the pot to boil dry.

posted November 05, 2004 07:06 PM         

Just a thought, as I haven't plugged your info in, but do either of you have Capricorn or Saggie influences? These things seem to give couples a purpose, as though they will be needing/getting things from each other, big things, things working towards the future. Perhaps the 'passion' burning out, or seeming to not be what you are used to is a good thing... you two obviously seem to have a connection, and if it's one that makes sense, without explination, I wouldn't be too sad about it. So many people sit in relationships wasting themselves, you seem to be able to see the bigger picture, and have the support of and for each other to go for the long haul. Good one on ya, mate!!

posted November 06, 2004 03:02 PM         

I think you're right. If you do get a chance to plug in the info I'd be interested in hearing what you come up with. I'm doing some research on my own as well, although I'm not real good with chart interpretations. I'm getting a little better since coming to LindaLand!

posted November 07, 2004 02:20 PM         

I worked on your charts a bit today, and I have a few things to tell you. First basic thing I see, is the amount of air your man has in his chart. His communication with you is probably on a level you may not have experienced before, this may be what 'makes up' for the lack of sex drive. You seem to have a strong spiritual connection, perhaps you two don't even have to speak sometimes, you *understand* what the other is feeling. Sometimes, it may appear to others as if you are not even a couple, you function as if you have a more platonic relationship. Your feelings for each other may not be openly demonstrated in the traditional way, but this is not a bad thing. You also both have Gemini in the 7th house, so your understanding of what a 'partnership' is correlates with his. I see a good, solid friendship there. One where you both seem to work very well together towards a common goal. You will also teach each other a lot, and with your shared values, you will grow stronger in yourselves by being together.

You have your sun in the first house, so you are very true to your sign. However, you are more spontaneous than you seem, he may even see you as being very 'together', when you really want to let your hair down and follow his crazy air head side around the dancefloor. I'm noticing his Aries moon, which your libra moon will always watch out for and try to keep grounded. He probably is one who stands out in a crowd, and may get hot-headed or outspoken. I see that you can put up with this more than many others may, perhaps even smoothing things over. His sun in the tenth house shows that he desires a position of power, that he has a strong desire for achivement, and this works well with you, your saggie sun is not content to sit around and let things just happen, you *make* them happen.
There are a lot of indicators of what you were saying, you do seem to need each other. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, and you may not be able to grasp what it is that holds you together, but I see security is a very strong point.

The only advice I can give you is to be sure to stay open with each other, be sure not to become each other's 'ideal' mate, for it may lead you to become trapped into the material side of your relationship. Continue to communicate, as I see that you do very well, and just be honest with each other. I see a very well rounded and driven union, one that many people these days are desperately searching for.

If you would like any more info, let me know. That's just touching the surface...

posted November 10, 2004 05:41 PM         

Also, you're right about the aries moon! It's kind of surprising since he's a virgo, but the guy has a giant ego, especially in public, but he's so good natured about it and everyone loves him. In fact, people are always feeding his ego, telling him how great he is, etc... he works in television for the news and is frequently on the air and he loves it, loves the attention. And you hit the nail on the head when you said that I keep him grounded because I am always bringing him back down to earth, although I am very supportive of him as well.

I was also struck by what you said about we may not know what it is that holds us together. This has been a topic that we have discussed numerous times. (I even wrote a poem about it once... perhaps I'll share it with you in another post.) This relationship seems to lack that "I'll die without this person" feeling that I am used to feeling, but we both know that we would never want to be apart. Just funny because we've talked about it so much and have openly wondered what it is that holds us together. The best thing we could come up with was "freedom," so we realize that we have to be careful!

I tend to be a very sporadic, unorganized person (although there is a method to my madness) but things have evened out considerably since we've been together and the odd thing is that he hasn't even done anything directly to contribute to that. Just being around him makes me feel so much more focused.

I feel that this is a very special relationship. We really had a love at first sight kind of meeting which we didn't do anything about for over three months. Neither of us believes in that sort of thing generally. But once we got together and started comparing notes on the time of our first meeting forward we realized that both of us felt an enormous compulsion toward one another.

Sorry for rambling on like this. You were just so right in your reading! We both feel very lucky to have found one another... for all of our differences, we seem to balance one another out rather than oppose one another.

Thank you so much for your reply and your time. I very much appreciate it!

Carissa

posted November 10, 2004 05:55 PM         

Scratch on the Surface

Seeing is not believing.
Believing equals seeing.
It just works out that way…
Opposite of what most people think.

The way you are with me.
Opposite.
Different.
Not the same.
In lots of ways.

And there are ways we are the same.
But it shouldn’t be enough.

You make me laugh.
You make me free.
A perfect recipe
For a fork.
(In the road…)
(…Not to eat)

What I’m trying to say is with you I get what I need to go my own way.
Is that a paradox?

Now, back to believing ahead of seeing…

I don’t know how much you think of this,
Of you and of me
But it’s all very puzzling as far as I can see.
That the bond between us should be freedom?
What, then, is to hold it all together?

And what about that mental plane we took off in one night out in the driveway without ever leaving the car?

Yes, with you I go places… lots and lots of places.
And what would happen should one of us just take off, launched by the other, and forget to return?
It is true, I could go without you, or you without me.
But I think we’re missing something here…

Like you and me?

There are things in life we do with knowing, we do with full intent.
There are times in life when consciousness serves somehow to prevent
us from noticing the other things in life’s big cosmic show--
blinders keep us safe inside of what we think we know.
But what if we take them off and just… let …go…?

posted November 11, 2004 06:55 AM         

Glad some of that brought you some clarity. I will be able to get around to giving you some more details soon, my pc is going to the shop (again ) so when I get it back, I'll post some more for you.

Keep smiling!

Ghani

posted November 12, 2004 12:54 AM         

i love ur poem...it seem to relate my feelings too...

i met a guy six months ago over the internet. at that instant, we were very comfortable chatting with each other, we eventually, exchanged numbers and met up a month later. there seemed to be too much of similarities that we share (i shan't go into the details). i felt safe being around him.

however, amongst the similarities, there are seemed to be a hugh diffierence/gap between us...something that i have been trying to figure out for the past six months.

unfortunately, things didn't work out, the relationship did not take off any further. i felt trapped.

for weeks, we did not keep in contact, till early this month. as scorps are not known to be stung twice, i was rather surprised that we are still able to keep each other as friends, though i still think about him very much and harbors the thought in taking the relationship further.

i wonder if this is karmic...it has disturbed me ever since i met him.

me: 15 Nov 1976, 3:30pm Singapore
him: 14 Nov 1971, Singapore (unfortunately, i dun have his birthtime)

posted November 12, 2004 12:35 PM         

I'm glad you liked the poem. You have a birthday right around the corner... Happy Early Birthday! I myself am not real good with chart interpretations, but I want to learn how to do it better. In the meantime, has anyone here directed you to www.astro.com for your charts and reports? If not, you might want to check it out. I would like to look at your charts, also, but like I said, I'm very new at this type of thing. I'm not new to astrology... I've been studying it for almost twenty years (since I was eight!) but I've never really tried doing it, just looking up stuff in books.

I'm going to get more information on how to calculate if one person's birthtime is missing. Then I'd like to try it myself. I urge you to do some research on your own as I'm not sure how accurate my information will be. Perhaps we can compare notes then?

By the way, welcome to the boards. If you want to give me more information about your relationship, I'd love to hear it. I'm a little confused about what happened. What I think you're saying is that you met online then met in person. There seemed to be some "gap" between you and the relationship never took off. So then you guys didn't talk for a while and now you're talking again, but you feel like on one hand you don't want to give it another chance, yet you feel inside like you're drawn to this person romantically. Is this right? And when you say you felt trapped, what exactly do you mean? I'll look at your charts and get back with you.

Take care,
Carissa