posted November 12, 2004 09:47 PM              

Just curious, I would think either a very close, or very distant relationship, that will make a difference about his/her attitude towards women.

posted November 12, 2004 11:12 PM              

how did you know i wanted to know just how to do that?

posted November 13, 2004 05:23 AM              

OK, I think I get it

So it's like this. G's rising sign is Scorpio, descendant is Taurus, soooooo... My moon is in Capricorn which means my moon falls into his 3rd house? Right? Likewise my ascendant is Libra and his Virgo moon would then fall into my 12th house, no?

I hope I have that right, otherwise I will feel like a dumb@ss

posted November 15, 2004 10:45 AM              

and yes, it would work just like you said...do you have a listing of his houses? like, what degrees and signs fall on all his house cusps? i'll help you figure out where everything falls. sometimes there's an interception (where a sign falls completely within a house and isn't on any house cusp). that might change where certain planets of yours might lay...from one house to the next, or to the one preceding. make sense?

and you're welcome guys, glad i could help out on how to do those...what would you call them? composites with the composites, i guess. bob marks (i think his website is www.bobmarksastrologer.com), who pushes strongly for the davison relationship charts, says you can do a davison with the davison, and he calls it a marks chart. of course, some astrologers dont think the davison chart all that accurate. it's a composite, too, but instead of using each of the partner's planets and coming up with a midpoint between the 2 suns, the 2 moons, et al...you take each of the partner's birthdays and come up with a birthday that meets in the middle, basically. so if my birthday was march 19, 1971 (which it actually is), and my partner's was march 21, 1971 then our davison birthdate would be march 20, 71. that's why it's called a space time composite. bob marks' site talks a lot about them; check it out.

anyhoo, raleigh, i get what you're saying...my friend i'm dating, mr. virgo/gem (virgo sun/gemini moon), whose name starts with a 'g', he also has venus conjunct uranus in scorpio. now, venus conjunct uranus acts a lot like venus in aquarius. i have venus in aquarius, so i can tell you this placement or aspect just needs some freedom. it doesnt mean they dont need people. they just want to feel free and independent. what natasha said about a certain aspect attracting kind of the same aspect or corresponding sign placement is true...a venus conjunct uranus is probably going to be attracted to someone with that same aspect, or perhaps an aquarian like individual. i guess it kind of depends on how important those planets are in his/her chart.

of the venus-uranus aspect it is said:
key phrases: unconventional relationship. free love. the valuing of freedom. honesty in feelings. unusual appearance. magnetic attraction. "First of all, people with Venus-Uranus squares or oppositions are often quite afraid of rejection, afraid of being hurt, and they act a little like venus in aquarius people - somewhat detached, aloof. They're very experimental when it comes to love, emotional things, sexual things."

the sign matters, too. so a venus-uranus conjunction in scorpio probably is affected by the intensity of scorpio.

now, moon square venus people have a sensitivity to them. they value women. people with the hard aspects often feel unloved or abandoned early in life. like natasha said, the mother figure is important here. either she was the emodiment of a good mother, perhaps a bit venusian...or she was absent or even estranged from the child. my friend g (vir/gem) has a mother who has a lot of health problems, and at least half of them are more of a mental nature. she takes a variety of medications and often self medicates. she's loud, weird, and tactless. g is often embarrased by her.

moon-uranus aspects involve a rebellious nature, indicate a lover of freedom. they have changing moods.

hope that helps!

posted November 15, 2004 11:39 AM              

My ex had the moon/venus square and he adores his mother even though she has some issues, i have the square and never speak to my mother, and hope to never see her again.

But I do respect women, and women's values, And my ex has many women friends, who he trusts and vice versa.

My ex boyfriend has Venus trine Uranus, he is terrified of being hurt, and has no women friends at all. It's rare that he meets a woman he likes.

posted November 15, 2004 01:08 PM              

yep, i think moon-venus contacts bring the mother into focus. either the relationship will be a very important harmonious one or it will be filled with strife. or perhaps there won't be one at all due to an estrangement.

i don't think the hard aspects always indicate that there's a bad relationship and the soft aspects a good one. human relationships are too complex for that. but without a doubt, moon-venus in a natal chart highlights the relationship with the mother (g has moon quincunx his venus).

posted November 16, 2004 12:54 AM              

Let's see... these are his planets/houses:
Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Pisces 08°01'51 04 direct
Moon Virgo 25°23'06 11 direct
Mercury Aquarius 12°03'14 04 direct
Venus Aries 04°45'01 05 direct
Mars Capricorn 27°01'16 03 direct
Jupiter Pisces 25°19'44 05 direct
Saturn Cancer 12°09'17 09 retrograde
Uranus Scorpio 02°16'15 01 retrograde
Neptune Sagittarius 11°43'51 02 direct
Pluto Libra 08°40'41 12 retrograde
True Node Sagittarius 05°11'50 02 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Scorpio 02°13'20
2nd House Sagittarius 00°46'55
3rd House Capricorn 02°52'55
Imum Coeli Aquarius 07°10'01
5th House Pisces 10°02'12
6th House Aries 08°32'21
Descendant Taurus 02°13'20
8th House Gemini 00°46'55
9th House Cancer 02°52'55
Medium Coeli Leo 07°10'01
11th House Virgo 10°02'12
12th House Libra 08°32'21

These are mine:
Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Aquarius 05°55'53 05 direct
Moon Capricorn 10°50'50 04 direct
Mercury Capricorn 26°42'14 04/5 direct
Mercury is technically near the end of house 4 and is interpreted in house 5.
Venus Sagittarius 19°16'22 03 direct
Mars Aquarius 04°31'28 05 direct
Jupiter Leo 03°47'29 11 retrograde
Saturn Virgo 12°59'49 12 retrograde
Uranus Scorpio 20°37'08 02 direct
Neptune Sagittarius 19°39'37 03 direct
Pluto Libra 19°13'07 01 stationary (R)
True Node Virgo 18°14'14 12 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Libra 07°54'00
2nd House Scorpio 15°12'27
3rd House Sagittarius 11°57'30
Imum Coeli Capricorn 04°43'35
5th House Capricorn 28°11'48
6th House Aquarius 27°16'59
Descendant Aries 07°54'00
8th House Taurus 15°12'27
9th House Gemini 11°57'30
Medium Coeli Cancer 04°43'35
11th House Cancer 28°11'48
12th House Leo 27°16'59

posted November 16, 2004 11:01 AM              

let's see...your:
sun is in his 3rd
moon in his 2nd
merc in his 3rd
venus in his 2nd
mars in his 3rd
jupiter in his 9th
saturn in his 11th
uranus in his 1st (you really excite him)
neptune in his 2nd
pluto in his 12th

and his:
sun is in your 6th
moon is in your 12th
merc is in your 5th
venus is in your 6th
mars is in your 4th
jupiter is in your 6th
saturn is in your 10th
uranus is in your 1st (interesting - since yours is also in his 1st)
neptune is in your 2nd - just BARELY
pluto is in your 1st

like natasha said somewhere, the earth houses are good, they feel comfy. like your moon, venus & neptune in his 2nd (the house of taurus) feels secure and comfy and stable. his sun, venus in your 6th (the house of virgo) probably feels extremely reliable and dependable. you don't doubt his feelings for you. that criscrossy uranus thing is interesting. some astrologers would say this could make you guys seem unreliable to each other (in the uranian way)...but, and i'm only speculating here, i think this would be more likely to happen if uranus was closer to the 1st house cusp, or ascendant. in other words, if you shared a uranus conjunct AC in synastry. it would make things electric but unsteady. since each uranus in the first house is closer to the 2nd house and not conjunct the AC, this seems less likely to happen. i don't know, though, i'm only speculating.

and you're right about the other similarities. g's pluto is in my 1st, venus in my 2nd, his saturn in my 11th. here, i copied from one of those e-mail reports i ordered from somewhere (just switch the interpretation around, as it is YOUR venus that is in his 2nd):

G’s Venus is in your Second House.
You could enjoy spending your money on G, possibly giving expensive gifts or providing lavish entertainment. Or maybe he encourages you to spend money on anything that’s pleasurable. Before buying a costly gift for your partner or laying out for an expensive diversion that you can share, try putting some money away. Try and have a good time together, but do it without overextending yourselves financially. Basically, this placement is most likely connected with money going out rather than coming in. An exception to this would be if you enlisted your partner’s charm or artistic ability to bring you income.

G’s Saturn is in your Eleventh House.
G may bring older or more serious friends into your social life, and he may make it more regular, secure and predictable. At parties and other gatherings you may feel secure because he gets you there, takes care of your needs in group situations, and makes sure that you get home safely. While he might not be exactly the life of the party, you may have confidence that he’ll be there for you and that he won’t flirt or otherwise leave you in the lurch.

All this can feel reassuring, but in some ways he might make your social life more restricted. You might feel inhibited in social situations because you think that you don’t live up to his standards. Or he could feel uncomfortable with your acquaintances. Possibly he just needs more of your undivided attention, and feels insecure when, for example, your conversation with him is interrupted by a long phone call from a friend. The solution is to call your friend back later and, at least some of the time, to see your friends when your partner is doing something else.

Alternatively, your social life could be limited simply because you’re so wrapped up in your relationship with each other. At some point, however, having friends outside of your relationship will provide some fresh input that enlarges your perspective and keeps things lively and interesting.

G’s Pluto is in your First House.
You probably see G as very powerful, and this might have been a quality that initially attracted you to this person. It can be reassuring to be intimately connected with someone who has the ability to take charge when circumstances warrant it. However, you might find that he sometimes tries to wield power over you when you prefer to be your own boss. If you feel he is too controlling, don’t keep these feelings inside. That could ultimately lead to volcanic eruptions between you. Instead, talk about it. If you analyze these matters together, you can come up with solutions that may make you feel better and could even transform the situation.

(i thought you might be more interested in these placements, as they describe how your g might be feeling toward you, given it's your planets in his houses - the person whose houses are affected is affected more, by both the planet involved and the house in question.)

and you're right about the sun opposite saturn thing, my sun is opposite his saturn, but not in the composite, just in synastry. this is not supposed to be a bad thing, though...as i read somewhere, the sun person becomes the 'light-giver'. they often cheer up the saturn person. it may sometimes get to be a drag to the sun person, though. HOWEVER, i think it does matter how comfortable the sun person is with their own saturn, and i did notice about his chart that his own saturn is in cancer! that is saturn's opposite sign...so this might be an indicator he's more comfortable with that opposition thing. i'd look into that placement of saturn more.

i noticed about your chart, too, that you have a uranus singleton - did you know that? it's your only water sign, scorpio. and i noticed pluto is stationary in your natal chart - this brings pluto into focus, makes it more important and the sign and house it's in.

oh-kay...hope this helps ya! sorry you've been feeling sick, hope you're much better by now.

posted November 17, 2004 09:57 AM              

I did finally buy Relationship Signs... I kind of snubbed that book in the past because I felt it was a bit of a Linda-fraud... But honestly, it's really great. The thing is, it claims aspects between Saturn and the personal signs indicate a karmic relationship... thought you'd be interested in that. I really enjoy the interpretations in that book. Let me know if you want me look anything up for you

I didn't know about my Uranus singleton... as for Pluto... I figured it was very strong because I think my looks are very Scorpio-ish... My features are very strong, I have a roman nose and very pronounced cheekbones and big, dark Sicilian eyes, lol.

I am feeling a bit better, thanks... but no work for me this week... I have a docs note to stay home... yaaaaay (my lazy, self-indulgent Libra rising kicking in, lol)

Oh yeah, where did your order that report from if you don't mind my asking? I've been wanting to order something like that for awhile, but I wanted to be sure of the quality before forking over my $$$$. That, sounds quality!

posted November 17, 2004 03:54 PM              

and too, you prolly embody pluto physically because your ascendant is conjunct pluto. and pluto's stationary so it's definitely intensified.

hm, since my ascendant is conjunct uranus i wonder if that means i LOOK like an aquarian. i never really thought about it that way. i always identified with aquarius for many reasons, but more personality-wise than looks-wise. i think physically im definitely libra-ish, with pleasant symmetrical features, dimples, youthful, light eyes, dark hair, curvy.

and oh yea, the site was: http://www.artcharts.com/

they do email charts, which i like.

posted November 18, 2004 02:24 AM              

I thought it was interesting that your dating a Virgo/Gem.

Im a Virgo/Gem involved with guy(Pisces) with a Venus in Aquarius...like you.

posted November 18, 2004 09:59 AM              

wow, co-winky-dink. he also has mercury in virgo - do you as well? and let's see, venus/mars in scorp, and his ac is also in scorpio.

im a pisces sun/sag moon, aries mercury, venus aquarius, and mars capricorn.

do you guys get along well?

we do, though right now there's an issue of distance - he's in germany til the end of december. im not quite sure how things will shape up when he gets back. things on the dating front are still new and not sure how i feel or how he feels exactly. i do know i like him an awful lot, and i feel really good around him - i can laugh and play around him (which my moon likes). i just dont know exactly what a 3 month separation will do, the dating part might just peter out. guess we'll see. i hope it doesnt, but you never know.

posted November 18, 2004 03:43 PM              

I have Merc in Virgo too. But my rising is Virgo, Venus in Libra, Mars in Saggie, Jupiter in Cappy, Saturn in Scorp, Uranus in Saggie, Neptune in Saggie, and Pluto in Scorp.

He has a Scorpio moon, Pisces rising, Pisces Merc,Libra Mars, Jupiter in Scorp, Saturn in Libra, Uranus in Saggie, Neptune in Saggie, and Pluto in Libra.

For the most part, we really do get along.I sense a strong bond between us. But I've found Im more expressive about feelings than he can be at times... and just general communication can be an interesting experience. (Although we both have our Mercury in the 12th house, and we both have Sun in 1st house.) He's so intuitive, its almost as if he's psychic...and he's so caring.

And our relationship has the distance too... about 500 to 600 miles worth. It complicates it so much. :S But we havent resolved it yet. I've found it to be a little difficult to speak directly to him about the important issues, but subtlety seems to work. I hope this isn't too dillusional...being more subtle and not direct.